Officials panic as Tanzania sways Museveni on SGR

Officials panic as Tanzania sways Museveni on SGR

This is the second time SGR is being touted as having gone south. Last time i checked a joint committee of Kenyans and Ugandans had gone to China to seek funding[/QUOTE don't panic uganda has already compensated 80% of their corridor of Kampala to malaba border.tz is all about noises and I don't know when they will be able to build sgr.
wewe wacha upuuzi...wewe ni mkenya wa aina gani? where is ur sense of national pride? I also disapprove many elements of the Jubilee govt but in the presence of Tanzanians you cannot dare to show this kind of treachery....they say don't pour your maize in the midst of chicken....dont air your dirty laundry in the presence of your enemies...whcih brings me to my second point...ur saying that the SGR deal is gone? how did you come to this conclusion? the SGR project can never go...MoUs were signed and if M7 dropped the kenyan SGR then that would be a diplomatic disaster for Uganda and kenya...this can even cause a dispute or war....EAC can die.....it would be seen as betrayal... there is a lot at stake for Uganda if they did this and they won't...besides, Uganda has mmore to gain from economic giant of EA than from tanzania...Mombasa port is more efficient....infrastructure is better.....there is more wealth in kenya for Ugandan companies to tap into...they are not stupid
 
Nani kakudanganya kuwa contractor yupo site wakati hata ardhi bado haijalipiwa fidia?alafu ujue kwamba huko Uganda kabla ya huyu contractor tayari kulikuwa na mkandarasi mwingine anayeitwa China Civil Engineering Construction Corporation walikuwa wamesainiana naye mkataba na wakampiga chini vilevile na kumpa huyu wa sasa (CHEC),hata hivyo Waafrika tunatakiwa tuamke sasa hivi,haya mambo ya kulazimishana China apewe tender kwasababu tu Exim(China)ndio wanatoa mkopo hayana maana kwakuwa mwisho wa siku bei wanayotupiga ni zaidi ya mara tatu na bado riba na mwisho wa siku hela yote inarudi kwao.Uganda tayari walishatenga 15% ya gharama za mradi kutoka kwenye vyanzo vyao vya mapato,sasa wanashindwa nini kutumia kiasi hicho kumtamfuta mkandarasi kwa fair competition na kumpa tender aanze taratibu?

Siasa za Kenya za kuharakisha mambo ili muibe na muibiwe vizuri sio za kuigwa na member wengine wa EAC,ni afadhali kuchelewa lakini tupate kitu kinacholingana na malipo yetu.By the way jaribu kutumia akili kidogo tu:kama sisi tunajenga 1km kwa $1.5m na wao wameambiwa ni 1km kwa $7.3m ni kwanini wasifikirie kurudi kwenye drawing board?alafu wanaambiwa tani moja ya cement watauziwa kwa $180 wakati sisi ni $100!!hapo si inabidi M7 akune kichwa vizuri?
hahaha mnajenga...😀
 
By FREDERIC MUSISI
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Progress
The Government of Uganda represented by the Ministry of Works and Transport has engaged China Harbour Engineering Company Limited (CHEC) to develop the Eastern and Northern routes. The Contract was signed on 30th March 2015 in Beijing China.

The Eastern Route will run from Tororo to Kampala through, Iganga, Jinja. (261km).

The stations on the Eastern route will include Kampala New City, New Station Kampala East, Jinja, Tororo and the substations will include Nagongera, Budumba, Busembatia, Iganga, Magamaga, Bulamagi and Lugazi.

The Northern Route will start from Tororo through Gulu to Nimule (476km) with a spur to Pakwach (117km). The stations on the Northern route will include: Mbale, Kumi, Soroti, Lira and Gulu. The substations will include: Magodes, Manafwa, Kachumbala, Bukedea, Mukura, Okunguro, Achuna, Aloi, Otwal, Patiri, Bwobo, Aparanga, Lolim, Pakwach East Terminal, Atiak and Nimule.

The Government signed a Memorandum of Understanding with CCECC for the Western Route, which will run from Kampala to Mirama Hills through Bihanga and Mbarara with a branch to Kasese, Mpondwe and Hima.

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PIC: SGR valuer assesing project affected persons in Iganga
Uganda can't get funding without kenyas guarantee...its bankrupt waiting for oil to save it
 
Ugandans' are somewhat funny, Recently their EALA members were congratulating Kenya's progress at the same time complaining that Kenya is going alone- in negotiations of contracts, which is clearly stupid. I guess they wanted us to have one line where we pay the debt together. Kenyans can never agree to that shit. And if they just wanted us to be present at the table while they negotiate theirs, then I guess we did that. It is them who also made the chinese insist that Kenya commit to building the railway to Malaba, They had started being nice and shit to Tz yet deals had already been done, they even proved that they can pull that shit with the pipeline, and Kenya always a step ahead of course said if they do that, we will terminate ours at Kisumu, build a port, and let the traders decide which route is more efficient. By the way, the port is still being built even if the line goes to Malaba. They also changed their mind on The route to Rwanda, almost loosing us a market (am not sure how it has been handled since) yet our transport department was still nice to this fuckers.

I am surprised how our leaders keep calm or are even nice to the rest of EA nations, except Rwanda they are nice and intelligent.

Uganda agreed to sign the EPA, but Museveni now says they should fucking wait, how long have we waited, we have been discussing the same things for over 15 years, things that can be done for 3 months if we are serious, also if things (in the economic sense have changed) Can you imagine how the EU people are frustrated, not even Kenyans. We get AID, not we You two fuckers get AID, more, free access to the EU market. It is only Kenya, and it is not like we are insanely rich the level of Turkey or any E7 nation, that can suffer incase the EPA is not signed, well in the short term. We are all poor, and you shit heads cant stop dragging US DOWN. We re trying to grow, we all are, why cant you guys grow without dragging down Kenya, Why? there is money for everyone if you choose to see it. Rwanda saw it and they will soon overtake UG.


Do you guys remember the 1985 agreement issue with TZ, The agreement which soon after the new EAC was commissioned Kenya decided not to follow to allow for integration. To allow TZ tour operators an all access to Kenyan facilities. The Kenyan tour operators complained that the agreement be done away with, since it was out dated with the new EAC allowing free movement and all, but well our neighbors always looking for ways to be difficult decided that that wont happen. Soon Kenya also decided to fully implement the Agreement, after consultations with the TZ government,
OMG, if you remember how sorry the fuckers were.

why? why? do we put up with this shit. why?
Kambalanick ebu kaa chini, chukua glass ya maji, seems you got a panic attack...
Tulizoea kusikia watanzania wanapenda kulia lia, sasa meza imegeuzwa, Magu si mtu wa mchezo mchezo.
 
Waganda watakuwa wachizi kushirikiana na Tanzania ambayo hadi leo hii haijajenga hata km moja SGR(blah blah kibao) Kenya tayari SGR imefika Nairobi na muda wowote itafika Naivasha.
 
Kambalanick ebu kaa chini, chukua glass ya maji, seems you got a panic attack...
Tulizoea kusikia watanzania wanapenda kulia lia, sasa meza imegeuzwa, Magu si mtu wa mchezo mchezo.
Funny I am complaining that the Kenyan govt seems to be apathetic towards very clear EAC issues, yet you equate my complain to Tz's govt complains on EAC. Everyone knows even if they don't say it, that Kenya has given soo much to the EAC, as a tax payer I am very dignified to complain. Your govt though gives almost zero yet it is ever complaining.
 
no matter how much your house is disorganized, you can never let your enemies know it....thats why struggling marriage couples force fake smiles in the presence of neighbors..alafu kama mnangoja SGR ikwame hapo mtaambulia patupu...Kampala is nearer Mombasa than Tanzanian ports...plus there is the South Sudan route, Uganda would want to gain from that....most importantly, the kenyan SGR is already on track and there is an MoU that binds UG and KE together in this project....if it were to be broken, there would be grave consequences
Political stability in Tanzania vs Political instability in Kenya. Never underestimate that when it comes to investment.
 
uganda hakuna mahali wanaenda,m7 ni kijicho tu anapoona kenya ikitamba noma.hawa wabongo ni hadithi tu.yao yaanza lini,mganda nani ata mfund kaa sio mchina.
I get really amused by the eac game of thrones. Kenya's neibas are clearly out to undermine her.
But some will wait for very long to kill the Kenyan dream. Kenya may still terminate the sgr in kisumu.
You forget that the sgr is being built for Kenyans and the neighbours will benefit secondarily. Wait until northern tz starts using the Kenyan sgr.
And then Mombasa nrb line is complete. And a dry port is being built in Naivasha. Uganda can collect their goods from there.Watupunguzie uharibufu Wa Barabara kabla central railway kujengwa. Inaanza lini hivi.
Tz will build their central corridor but perhaps you need to complete the refinery, pipeline etc and make enough money from the oil to build the railway. Otherwise your debt levels will spiral out of control. Don't forget both tz and ug are LDC.
 
Uganda can't get funding without kenyas guarantee...its bankrupt waiting for oil to save it

Unatokelezea kama mtu an uchungu mwingi!!!
Uganda and Kenya seeking SGR funds in China

By Lucie Morangi | China Daily Africa | Updated: 2017-02-26 15:06
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Finance ministers from Kenya and Uganda are set to travel to China at the end of this month to negotiate financing for the construction of a cross-border railway.

In a move that would transform the East African infrastructure landscape, the delegation - which will include the transportation ministers of both countries - will present proposals to the China Export Import Bank, an institution that has largely financed similar big projects in Africa.

According to Kenya's Finance Ministry, a letter outlining the two countries' intent to jointly pursue the implementation of the Nairobi-Malaba-Kampala Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) has already been dispatched to Kampala for signatures. The letter, also copied to the Chinese Finance Ministry and the Export-Import Bank of China, requests a joint visit to China from Feb 27 to March 4.




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Construction of Nairobi terminus of SGR railway by China Road and Bridge Corp in Nairobi, Kenya. Provided to China Daily



Acknowledging this move, Jackson Kinyanjui, director of the resource mobilization department, that serves as liaison with development partners, says China continues to be the preferred financier because it doesn't have the bureaucratic hurdles presented by other development partners.

"China's financing model fits us very well. It is tied to aid, and the loans are concessional. But the bureaucracies of other development partners disrupt absorption and hence push back the commencement and completion of government projects," Kinyanjui says.

The construction of the SGR will be undertaken by Chinese firms.

"We are soliciting funds for the implementation of the Naivasha-Kisumu-Malaba-Kampala SGR. We intend to have it completed within 42 months," he adds.

The 609-kilometer Mombasa-Nairobi project undertaken by China Road and Bridge Corp is near completion and set to be commissioned on May 1 by President Uhuru Kenyatta. Moreover, construction work for the 120-km Nairobi-Naivasha section has been launched, buoying the two countries' optimism that China will approve the solicited funds.

"For us to embark on this leg, China needed clear justification that Uganda is committed to the project, whereas our neighbor also needs assurances that we are on board to extend the tracks from the lakeside city of Kisumu to the border town of Malaba. The joint delegation has the approval of the two presidents, thus providing this mission the needed political commitment," Kinyanjui says.

The railway promises to see Uganda, a landlocked country, receive its cargo from the port of Mombasa in a timely and less costly manner. Transporting a 20-ton container from Mombasa to Nairobi by road costs $1,300, while a similar container from Mombasa to Kampala costs $3,400. The cost is $6,500 to Kigali. The Kenyan port is part of China's One Belt, One Road initiative, which aims to deepen global trade relations.

A feasibility study on the Kenyan leg has yet to be done. Uganda, on the other hand has completed its studies and awarded the contract to China Harbor Engineering Co. It is estimated the 273-km project will cost $2.3 billion.

China leads other countries in the funding and building of mega projects in the East Africa region, according to an annual report released by Deloitte, a global consulting company. The report shows that China funded 10 out of a total of 43 projects in 2016. It built 18 of them.

The SGR is expected to be extended to Rwanda's Kigali city from Kampala, and then to Juba in South Sudan.

lucymorangi@chinadaily.com.cn
 
Ugandans' are somewhat funny, Recently their EALA members were congratulating Kenya's progress at the same time complaining that Kenya is going alone- in negotiations of contracts, which is clearly stupid. I guess they wanted us to have one line where we pay the debt together. Kenyans can never agree to that shit. And if they just wanted us to be present at the table while they negotiate theirs, then I guess we did that. It is them who also made the chinese insist that Kenya commit to building the railway to Malaba, They had started being nice and shit to Tz yet deals had already been done, they even proved that they can pull that shit with the pipeline, and Kenya always a step ahead of course said if they do that, we will terminate ours at Kisumu, build a port, and let the traders decide which route is more efficient. By the way, the port is still being built even if the line goes to Malaba. They also changed their mind on The route to Rwanda, almost loosing us a market (am not sure how it has been handled since) yet our transport department was still nice to this fuckers.

I am surprised how our leaders keep calm or are even nice to the rest of EA nations, except Rwanda they are nice and intelligent.

Uganda agreed to sign the EPA, but Museveni now says they should fucking wait, how long have we waited, we have been discussing the same things for over 15 years, things that can be done for 3 months if we are serious, also if things (in the economic sense have changed) Can you imagine how the EU people are frustrated, not even Kenyans. We get AID, not we You two fuckers get AID, more, free access to the EU market. It is only Kenya, and it is not like we are insanely rich the level of Turkey or any E7 nation, that can suffer incase the EPA is not signed, well in the short term. We are all poor, and you shit heads cant stop dragging US DOWN. We re trying to grow, we all are, why cant you guys grow without dragging down Kenya, Why? there is money for everyone if you choose to see it. Rwanda saw it and they will soon overtake UG.


Do you guys remember the 1985 agreement issue with TZ, The agreement which soon after the new EAC was commissioned Kenya decided not to follow to allow for integration. To allow TZ tour operators an all access to Kenyan facilities. The Kenyan tour operators complained that the agreement be done away with, since it was out dated with the new EAC allowing free movement and all, but well our neighbors always looking for ways to be difficult decided that that wont happen. Soon Kenya also decided to fully implement the Agreement, after consultations with the TZ government,
OMG, if you remember how sorry the fuckers were.

why? why? do we put up with this shit. why?
Sometimes its better to accept changes before the changes change you.......

Kenyans 've never been a super power of this region as you ar always takin yourself for...

Kenya grew in the expense of other countries in this region and therefore non of them can grow without affecting z economic supremacy of Kenya....

Ask yourself these questions!!!...

if Tanzania and Rwanda manages to operate their national airlines successfully,which country in this region will be highly affected???....

If Tanzania will realize the dream of being an industrialized country,which country will be more affected???....

if Tanzania manages to market itself interms of Tourism especially the northern circuit which is heavly depended, which country is likely to be more affected????.....

If Tanzania manages to operate Tanga port at its full capacity,which country is likely to be more affected????.....

maswali ni mengi lakini hii ni hali isiyoepukika..... you cant avoid the effects of our expanding economies since you initially grew at our own expenses au mnaiita sleeping Giant....

The only competitive advantage you have got is only a competitive labour force that is even increasing at a decreasing rate......

Ongezeni juhudi kwenye FDI's tu though haiwezi generate enough money to run your economy
 
Tobaaa
Kenya will definitely benefit from all you have said. We operate businesses all over EA, the more we grow the more we make money.
I think the problem of Tanzania is that you believe for you to grow Kenya has to slump. That is the most stupid thing ever, nobody benefits from poor neighbors, poverty in every sense is bad for business, insecurity, low purchasing power... the list is long.
For instance the S.Sudan issue, you think Kenya and Uganda are comfortable seeing their monies going to the drain.
What most of you think is that Mombasa port serves our neighbors more, Most of the goods coming and going out through Mombasa are Kenyan's, build your port, Let the most efficient Corridor win. What I hate is this bad blood, and outright drag down business. Imagine a well connected EA, where there is free movement of goods and people. We will certainly improve the lives of everyone. Why Tz has not grasped this yet, is beyond me. You guys do business looking at what Kenya is doing, forgetting that Kenya actually has a plan, and every project will be implemented no matter what, since we need it.
 
Sometimes its better to accept changes before the changes change you.......

Kenyans 've never been a super power of this region as you ar always takin yourself for...

Kenya grew in the expense of other countries in this region and therefore non of them can grow without affecting z economic supremacy of Kenya....

Ask yourself these questions!!!...

if Tanzania and Rwanda manages to operate their national airlines successfully,which country in this region will be highly affected???....

If Tanzania will realize the dream of being an industrialized country,which country will be more affected???....

if Tanzania manages to market itself interms of Tourism especially the northern circuit which is heavly depended, which country is likely to be more affected????.....

If Tanzania manages to operate Tanga port at its full capacity,which country is likely to be more affected????.....

maswali ni mengi lakini hii ni hali isiyoepukika..... you cant avoid the effects of our expanding economies since you initially grew at our own expenses au mnaiita sleeping Giant....

The only competitive advantage you have got is only a competitive labour force that is even increasing at a decreasing rate......

Ongezeni juhudi kwenye FDI's tu though haiwezi generate enough money to run your economy


Kenya is the leading investor in the countries you mentioned, the more they develop the more Kenya gains. Secondly, when a region develops, it looks further than its neighbours, when Tanzania develops and produces the producst it is getting from Kenya, Kenya will look for other markets say liberia, with this, Kenya will have to fly its planes to these places expanding its catch even more.

In simple, when German developed, France did not die off, when England developed, Scotland never died off, the developing of a neighboring country doesn't and has never spelt doom to its neighboring country, so Tanzania should not think that when it starts developing Kenya will suffer, never. When you reach where Kenya is, Kenya will be on another.
 
Recent economic war btn tz and kenyans has been much more increased soon after magufuli took power... it seems after ten years Tanzanians will be a bit far economically... my friend kenyans you should keep peace first then you will have a room to look for economic oportunities... I pray for you to have peaceful election and let all those of 2007 as history
 
Tobaaa
Kenya will definitely benefit from all you have said. We operate businesses all over EA, the more we grow the more we make money.
I think the problem of Tanzania is that you believe for you to grow Kenya has to slump. That is the most stupid thing ever, nobody benefits from poor neighbors, poverty in every sense is bad for business, insecurity, low purchasing power... the list is long.
For instance the S.Sudan issue, you think Kenya and Uganda are comfortable seeing their monies going to the drain.
What most of you think is that Mombasa port serves our neighbors more, Most of the goods coming and going out through Mombasa are Kenyan's, build your port, Let the most efficient Corridor win. What I hate is this bad blood, and outright drag down business. Imagine a well connected EA, where there is free movement of goods and people. We will certainly improve the lives of everyone. Why Tz has not grasped this yet, is beyond me. You guys do business looking at what Kenya is doing, forgetting that Kenya actually has a plan, and every project will be implemented no matter what, since we need it.
The day you will learn that Tanzania does not envy you and we do what we think is best for our future and not in a view of dethroning kenya as an economic super power of our region....

what is a use of that at the first place????.....

Just ask yourself... whats the best between having high GDP, high HDI or high FDI????......

An average Tanzanian in exception of the northeners doesnt even know the pontetualinty of Kenya in our region and even our experts doesnt view Kenya as a green pasture compared to SADDC....

Your degree of importance is only existing within your heads and even if you are the leading African investors in our country but how much do you contribute to our economy compared to the indegineous investors such as mo dewji or bakhresa group company????...

As a matter of the fact that our private sector is expanding and therefore reduces the importance of the public sector which have boosted our competitive advantage compared to the previous years
 
KeMzalendo wizi na ukabila ndo una-undermine that Kenyan dream. Haki ya Mungu UK hatoboi mwaka huu. Unaonaje. .?
Tangu tungoe moi madarakani, we don't mind who becomes president. Ile vision 2030 lazima itimizwe by whoever takes over. Devolution naya itazidi kukomaa. In another 5 years, this will be a totally different country if the last 4 years is anything to go by.
You know the sgr, tallest building in Africa etc are only manifestation of what's going on at the grassroot.
Whether Uhuru wins or not, I expect the SEZ in dongo kundu and naivasha to be complete by 2022, the coal power plant to be up and running, konza to be at least 50% done, the crude oil pipeline should be fully functional. Lamu port to have at 6 berths: exporting crude oil and importing coal for amu project.
Man, the next 5 years we could see our first double digit economic growth in over 3 decades
 
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