Officials panic as Tanzania sways Museveni on SGR

Officials panic as Tanzania sways Museveni on SGR

Kenya is the leading investor in the countries you mentioned, the more they develop the more Kenya gains. Secondly, when a region develops, it looks further than its neighbours, when Tanzania develops and produces the producst it is getting from Kenya, Kenya will look for other markets say liberia, with this, Kenya will have to fly its planes to these places expanding its catch even more.

In simple, when German developed, France did not die off, when England developed, Scotland never died off, the developing of a neighboring country doesn't and has never spelt doom to its neighboring country, so Tanzania should not think that when it starts developing Kenya will suffer, never. When you reach where Kenya is, Kenya will be on another.
Ok thats your own point of view which is highly biased......

Dont you know that northern Tz and Uganda uses mombasa port while the best alternative is Tanga port due to the geographical position of both ports????....

alafu why do you keep on whining that our growth means more benefit to you or dont you know that our private sector is still growing which poses a threat towards the foreign companies such as yours which used to enjoy the advantages of monopolies due to the non existence of competitive indegineous companies????...

Enzi za kutumia everything kenyan zimeshapitwa na wakati na emergency of young entepreneurs is appraissing and you can prove that by checking the released lists of promising "upcoming " africas young enteprenuers...
 
Ok thats your own point of view which is highly biased......

Dont you know that northern Tz and Uganda uses mombasa port while the best alternative is Tanga port due to the geographical position of both ports????....

alafu why do you keep on whining that our growth means more benefit to you or dont you know that our private sector is still growing which poses a threat towards the foreign companies such as yours which used to enjoy the advantages of monopolies due to the non existence of competitive indegineous companies????...

Enzi za kutumia everything kenyan zimeshapitwa na wakati na emergency of young entepreneurs is appraissing and you can prove that by checking the released lists of promising "upcoming " africas young enteprenuers...

I don't disagree with you at all. But as the markets in your country becomes dim, Kenya will open up other markets, what i meant is that, lack of market for our products in your country will not make us shut down our companies but we will look else where and maybe get more value and business from our products. We can still produce products that you don't have and innovate.

Kenya is the most innovative country in Africa and ranks highly globally on innovations. We will innovate through your challenges very easily.

Another point, you are waking up very late when Kenya has explored your inabilities in the past to develop without using its resources like Gold, Oil, Coal and titanium.

Now that you are coming up with interest in tourism, Agriculture and logistics, Kenya will now turn to manufacturing, mining and technology to move forward. We will literally drift from Agriculture and Tourism and leave them to you and other East African Countries. As you have seen, when you are talking of building an international Airport and modernizing Tanzania Air, we are looking into Nuclear energy, so this things can't match
 
I don't disagree with you at all. But as the markets in your country becomes dim, Kenya will open up other markets, what i meant is that, lack of market for our products in your country will not make us shut down our companies but we will look else where and maybe get more value and business from our products. We can still produce products that you don't have and innovate.

Kenya is the most innovative country in Africa and ranks highly globally on innovations. We will innovate through your challenges very easily.

Another point, you are waking up very late when Kenya has explored your inabilities in the past to develop without using its resources like Gold, Oil, Coal and titanium.

Now that you are coming up with interest in tourism, Agriculture and logistics, Kenya will now turn to manufacturing, mining and technology to move forward. We will literally drift from Agriculture and Tourism and leave them to you and other East African Countries. As you have seen, when you are talking of building an international Airport and modernizing Tanzania Air, we are looking into Nuclear energy, so this things can't match

keep dreaming brother....mambo yamebadilika this time,Kama uko makini kaa chini alafu angalia kuanzia mwaka jana hadi leo hii March Tanzania imeanzisha mega- projects ngapi mpya na Kenya imeanzisha mega-projects ngapi then you ll go back to your home-work.
 
I don't disagree with you at all. But as the markets in your country becomes dim, Kenya will open up other markets, what i meant is that, lack of market for our products in your country will not make us shut down our companies but we will look else where and maybe get more value and business from our products. We can still produce products that you don't have and innovate.

Kenya is the most innovative country in Africa and ranks highly globally on innovations. We will innovate through your challenges very easily.

Another point, you are waking up very late when Kenya has explored your inabilities in the past to develop without using its resources like Gold, Oil, Coal and titanium.

Now that you are coming up with interest in tourism, Agriculture and logistics, Kenya will now turn to manufacturing, mining and technology to move forward. We will literally drift from Agriculture and Tourism and leave them to you and other East African Countries. As you have seen, when you are talking of building an international Airport and modernizing Tanzania Air, we are looking into Nuclear energy, so this things can't match
I dont understand when you tell me that we are turning into agriculture,tourism and logistic!!!!!....

incase of logistic,i may agree with you but bout the rest ni ngumu kukubali

Tourism have been a second economical sector which contribute highly in foreign exchange, agriculture have been the backbone of our country for so long that it managed to employ more than 80 percent of all labours and also contributed at more than 60 percent of our total exports for so long.......

construction and commercial sectors are the ones that are fueling our economy.... bado transport sector nayo ipo on the right track

Kiukweli we are moving from being agricultural based economy to a diversified one...

Tanzanias scientists are still facing many challenges due to the low government assistance but a ray of hope is still there....

We have to diversify our economy first af things zingine zitafuata...

Ila napenda spirit ya Kenyans na support kwa young innovators is adding extra advantage but the level of your educational sector deteoration is dissappointing
 
By FREDERIC MUSISI


Kampala.

President Museveni will this week meet officials from the Works and Finance ministries to discuss progress on the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) and plans he conceived during a recent visit to Tanzania, Daily Monitor has learnt.

The President will expect the officials to table a comparative cost analysis of Uganda’s SGR in relation to Kenya and Tanzania’s costs.
The officials will also brief him on the infrastructure projects, particularly the ports at Bukasa, Port Bell and Jinja that are meant to connect Uganda to the Southern Corridor via Musoma Port on Lake Victoria to Tanga Port at the Indian Ocean, and the Central Corridor via Mwanza/Bukoba ports (on L. Victoria) to Dar es Salaam Port.
Sources say the officials were thrown into panic after Mr Museveni was told in Tanzania that the country’s planned SGR line was to cost significantly lower per kilometer than Uganda’s.

Works Minister Monica Azuba, however, insisted that the plans to work with Kenya on the SGR were ‘still on course’ although the government was ‘exploring alternatives’.

Ms Azuba said: “We are still working with Kenya. The President only expressed concern over the delay in extending the line from Nairobi to Malaba to Kampala. The Tanzanians also claimed they got theirs [railway] cheaper; and we are looking into that.”

Cost of rails
Every kilometer of rail, Mr Museveni was reportedly told, will cost Tanzania $1.5m (Uganda Shs5.6b), while Uganda’s is set to cost $7.3m (Shs25b) per kilometer.

The contract for the first phase of Uganda’s SGR to link Kampala and Malaba on the border with Kenya at a cost of $2.8b (Shs8t) was awarded to China Harbour Engineering Corporation (CHEC).
According to available cost projections, Uganda will buy a ton of cement at $180 (approx. Shs600,000) and steel at $700 (Shs2.47m), while Tanzania will spend $100 (Shs300,000) and $680 (Shs2.4m) on cement and steel, respectively.

Following the meeting with the President, Daily Monitor has learnt, officials travelled to Tanzania on a benchmarking mission, the results of which are expected to be tabled to the President this week.

President Museveni’s interest in the Tanzania route was whetted by the proposal by Tanzania to prioritise the 1,219km SGR line from Dar es Salaam to Mwanza port on Lake Victoria the Ugandan border, the sources said.

Inland water transport on Lake Victoria across ports Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania broke down almost a decade now, but by developing inland ports in Uganda, it can be revived. There has recently been talk of upgrading Port Bell and developing Bukasa ports in Kampala.

There are no concrete plans yet about when the construction of the ports could begin and financing plans for the ports are not as advanced as those for the SGR line between Kampala to Malaba.
The SGR construction is tentatively set to begin this year with the view of linking to the Kenya SGR to the Indian coast. The line from Mombasa Port to Nairobi is already complete, and Kenya is expected to embark on the line westwards to Malaba at about the same time Uganda’s could kick off.

But with the financing details for the SGR still not yet concretised between Uganda and China, and in light of a of seemingly cheaper alternative of just developing inland ports and banking on Tanzania’s SGR in the short and medium term, Mr Museveni’s meeting with the officials could come up with a landmark decision
Last year, Uganda snubbed Kenya and opted for the Tanzania route for the construction of the planned crude oil export pipeline.


MY TAKE:
Magufuli sio mtu wa mchezo mchezo,mwezi huu ndio kwaaanza tunaweka jiwe la msingi la ujenzi wa SGR yetu kwa fedha zetu na tayari tumeshaanza kumkimbiza mtu mchakamchaka,Kenya should learn now that NOTHING will come easier on their way kipindi hiki kama ilivyozoeleka.Naona M7 ameshaonyeshwa njia rahisi badala ya kujenga SGR kutokea Kampala kwenda Malaba kwa $2.8bn ni afadhali kuanza kujenga kuelekea Kasese na Mbarara(hapa atapiga ndege wanne kwa jiwe moja i.e Rwanda,Congo,Tanzania na Burundi)na ambapo amestushwa kuwa hizo hela zake zinatosha kabisa pamoja na kuzijenga bandari zake zote.

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Kwel mkuu itakuwa nafuu kwao .mh maguful aliona mbali
 
Ugandans' are somewhat funny, Recently their EALA members were congratulating Kenya's progress at the same time complaining that Kenya is going alone- in negotiations of contracts, which is clearly stupid. I guess they wanted us to have one line where we pay the debt together. Kenyans can never agree to that shit. And if they just wanted us to be present at the table while they negotiate theirs, then I guess we did that. It is them who also made the chinese insist that Kenya commit to building the railway to Malaba, They had started being nice and shit to Tz yet deals had already been done, they even proved that they can pull that shit with the pipeline, and Kenya always a step ahead of course said if they do that, we will terminate ours at Kisumu, build a port, and let the traders decide which route is more efficient. By the way, the port is still being built even if the line goes to Malaba. They also changed their mind on The route to Rwanda, almost loosing us a market (am not sure how it has been handled since) yet our transport department was still nice to this fuckers.

I am surprised how our leaders keep calm or are even nice to the rest of EA nations, except Rwanda they are nice and intelligent.

Uganda agreed to sign the EPA, but Museveni now says they should fucking wait, how long have we waited, we have been discussing the same things for over 15 years, things that can be done for 3 months if we are serious, also if things (in the economic sense have changed) Can you imagine how the EU people are frustrated, not even Kenyans. We get AID, not we You two fuckers get AID, more, free access to the EU market. It is only Kenya, and it is not like we are insanely rich the level of Turkey or any E7 nation, that can suffer incase the EPA is not signed, well in the short term. We are all poor, and you shit heads cant stop dragging US DOWN. We re trying to grow, we all are, why cant you guys grow without dragging down Kenya, Why? there is money for everyone if you choose to see it. Rwanda saw it and they will soon overtake UG.


Do you guys remember the 1985 agreement issue with TZ, The agreement which soon after the new EAC was commissioned Kenya decided not to follow to allow for integration. To allow TZ tour operators an all access to Kenyan facilities. The Kenyan tour operators complained that the agreement be done away with, since it was out dated with the new EAC allowing free movement and all, but well our neighbors always looking for ways to be difficult decided that that wont happen. Soon Kenya also decided to fully implement the Agreement, after consultations with the TZ government,
OMG, if you remember how sorry the fuckers were.

why? why? do we put up with this shit. why?
Povu la hali ya juu kabisa.
But wait a minute, why do Kenyans think they know what is good for Uganda than Ugandans themselves?
 
Funny I am complaining that the Kenyan govt seems to be apathetic towards very clear EAC issues, yet you equate my complain to Tz's govt complains on EAC. Everyone knows even if they don't say it, that Kenya has given soo much to the EAC, as a tax payer I am very dignified to complain. Your govt though gives almost zero yet it is ever complaining.
When it comes to deals, its just country interests, Forget EAC,
Also Forget your overcharged SGR, kumbuka hili ni deni waganda watalipa, they won't get coerced.
 
Ukishindana na Magufuli utachanika mabawa!
 
Tanzania is not an enemy of Kenya....swali lako ndio hilo nimelijibu....on the contrary, we are competitors as you say...but competition can get ugly sometimes...blood can be drawn....

If blood can be drawn then we're not friendly.
no matter how much your house is disorganized, you can never let your enemies know it....thats why struggling marriage couples force fake smiles in the presence of neighbors..alafu kama mnangoja SGR ikwame hapo mtaambulia patupu...Kampala is nearer Mombasa than Tanzanian ports...plus there is the South Sudan route, Uganda would want to gain from that....most importantly, the kenyan SGR is already on track and there is an MoU that binds UG and KE together in this project....if it were to be broken, there would be grave consequences
 
When it comes to deals, its just country interests, Forget EAC,
Also Forget your overcharged SGR, kumbuka hili ni deni waganda watalipa, they won't get coerced.
Acheni stori tunataka kuona sgr yenu to nowhere ikianza
When it comes to deals, its just country interests, Forget EAC,
Also Forget your overcharged SGR, kumbuka hili ni deni waganda watalipa, they won't get coerced.
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keep dreaming brother....mambo yamebadilika this time,Kama uko makini kaa chini alafu angalia kuanzia mwaka jana hadi leo hii March Tanzania imeanzisha mega- projects ngapi mpya na Kenya imeanzisha mega-projects ngapi then you ll go back to your home-work.

As we speak, at the moment, Kenya has three largest projects in the whole of Africa. The LAPSSET project is the largest infrastructural project in the history of Africa. The SGR, Konza City and Electricity Drive (To bring on board 6000MW) by 2020, Nuclear Project Geo therm projects etc! Is there any Mega project in Tanzania by now? I have not heard, but i will be glad if you educate me on this.
 
..nina mashaka na habari hii.

..ni vigumu kwa Uganda kutumia bandari za Tz kwa sababu ziko mbali zaidi kulinganisha na Kenya.

..vilevile kuna changamoto ya kuvuka LAKE VICTORIA ikiwa mizigo yao itapitia Tanzania.

..suala lingine ni kwamba Kenya wameshaanza ujenzi wa reli Mombasa to Nairobi na baadaye kuelekea mpakani na Uganda.

..Tz hatujaanza ujenzi wa reli mpya. Pia haijulikani fedha za ujenzi zitatoka wapi, China, Uturuki, au
India.

..nina mashaka makubwa sana kama Uganda wataachana na mradi wa reli kuelekea Kenya na badala yake kujiunga na mradi wa reli ya Tz.
 
Hii habari haikutakiwa ivuje mapema hivi,ilitakiwa michakato yote ikamilike ndipo habari ziwe wazi,hapa naona kuna watu wataanza safari za Kampala ghafla na wakijichanganya wakija tena DSM kama walivyokuja kutupeleleza kipindi kile cha bomba la mafuta tutawaweka mahabusu tena.
Kweli ndugu
 
wewe wacha upuuzi...wewe ni mkenya wa aina gani? where is ur sense of national pride? I also disapprove many elements of the Jubilee govt but in the presence of Tanzanians you cannot dare to show this kind of treachery....they say don't pour your maize in the midst of chicken....dont air your dirty laundry in the presence of your enemies...whcih brings me to my second point...ur saying that the SGR deal is gone? how did you come to this conclusion? the SGR project can never go...MoUs were signed and if M7 dropped the kenyan SGR then that would be a diplomatic disaster for Uganda and kenya...this can even cause a dispute or war....EAC can die.....it would be seen as betrayal... there is a lot at stake for Uganda if they did this and they won't...besides, Uganda has mmore to gain from economic giant of EA than from tanzania...Mombasa port is more efficient....infrastructure is better.....there is more wealth in kenya for Ugandan companies to tap into...they are not stupid
Hahaha Unamjua Museveni wewe!!
Yaani una bwabwaja kana kwamba unaweza mtisha Mudeveni!!
pole sana
 
Recent economic war btn tz and kenyans has been much more increased soon after magufuli took power... it seems after ten years Tanzanians will be a bit far economically... my friend kenyans you should keep peace first then you will have a room to look for economic oportunities... I pray for you to have peaceful election and let all those of 2007 as history
Ushauri mzuri huu
 
Am watching the state of the nation Adress by Uhuru, and by the start, the East African flag is raised and the east African Anthem played. It shows how Kenya is committed to EAC, I think people killing this spirit are our brothers from Tanzania

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..nina mashaka na habari hii.

..ni vigumu kwa Uganda kutumia bandari za Tz kwa sababu ziko mbali zaidi kulinganisha na Kenya.

..vilevile kuna changamoto ya kuvuka LAKE VICTORIA ikiwa mizigo yao itapitia Tanzania.

..suala lingine ni kwamba Kenya wameshaanza ujenzi wa reli Mombasa to Nairobi na baadaye kuelekea mpakani na Uganda.

..Tz hatujaanza ujenzi wa reli mpya. Pia haijulikani fedha za ujenzi zitatoka wapi, China, Uturuki, au
India.

..nina mashaka makubwa sana kama Uganda wataachana na mradi wa reli kuelekea Kenya na badala yake kujiunga na mradi wa reli ya Tz.
Mkuu uko sahihi kabisa hapa ni stori tu za abunuasi,haijulikani fedha za toka wapi na mradi ni wa lini.
 
Am watching the state of the nation Adress by Uhuru, and by the start, the East African flag is raised and the east African Anthem played. It shows how Kenya is committed to EAC, I think people killing this spirit are our brothers from Tanzania

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sijui kama huko tanzania huwa wanaimba the east african national anthemn...
 
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