Iconoclastes
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Do not be worried. This is just but an antic to gain attention of the govt to the issues concerning these pple, but they do not really mean all these.
Doesn't look or smell good for Kenyans jamani...There is an under current of discontent based on the response of this idea...Whatever you decide do it peacefully....Rumblings like these can sometimes fuel and ignite disaster...Remember a certain African Republic near you.... Seems to me a substantial quotient of the population are dissatisfied with the system...Tribalism isn't helping either...As a neighbour am keenly watching these unfolding events...Wishing you peace....
You have to worry if you have investments or otherwise in a region..Peace is twofold for some of us...economical and social....I know you catch my drift...I know most kenyans want peace..Logania usiogope sana. Wakenya wanatoa joto tu lakini mwisho wa siku watarejea kazini. Hakuna vita
Buda boss chill
Am not engaging you....
Ww toa comments zote unataka but ballot paper ya ku secede hautakuwa kwa register mm ntakuwa
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Safi sana babaI know that you are afraid of Ruto's victory come 2022 ,because as the things stand right now he has 65% chances of clinching the seat,but again its good because what you are doing will strengthen our democracy and alignment ,and realignment of 2022 will be effective na bila shaka atashinda yule mtu atakubaliwa across the board . Don't worry my brother this is just politics ,but as the end of the day we are together as Kenyans ,,,,as our people say ,watoto wanyumba moja wakipigana hawawezi pasua chungu . I think we should meet hapo java mama ngina street tukunywe coffee pamoja,otherwise have lovely evening.
I was refering to the rivalry btwn the Kikuyus and the Luos. This hatred and mistrust doesnt really exist bcos of the Kenyattas and the Odingas political competition. Rather they exploit it for their political expediencies.
It is an issue that is running deep, hard to understand and decode, which was in existence when Kenya was still under the yoke of colonialism. Tom Mboya's wrote about it in his book; Challenges of Nationhood.
Even if both political families were to exit the stage....(clearly, these are really the sunset years of their domination of the Kenyan politics), the animosity will still persist, except that probably it will be simmering beneath the surface.
This persistent animosity will still remain, and for a very long time be exploited by subsequent politicians seeking the top leadership of our country, whether they will be hailing from these two communities or not. Politicians like Ruto and Kalonzo will still exploit this Luo- Kikuyu divide, that is the cheapest and the most surefire means of remaining ahead in the Kenyan politics, unfortunately.
But Kenya will not disintegrate bcos of this two communities, or the the alleged marginalization of the other regions of Kenya.
This debate will peter out in just a couple of days.
We squabble over many things in this country, tell each other very outrageous things, but we really love this country, even tho we may not stand each other. No Kenyan would in real sense countenance any idea of secession, these are just political rubble- rousing and blackmail by some few frustrated lots.
Anyway did you know tht in 1998 after election which Moi won and FYI kikuyus were in opposition (Raila was in Kanu-NDP partnership he defected that same year )....did you know Kikuyus in Laikipia were seeking to secede???Asanteh sana mwanangu ,nakutakia usiku mwanana usio na bugudha. Ila kumzuia Ruto itategemea jinsi wanaume watakavio jipanga si jambo rahisi ukizingatia kua amepeleka mizizi kweli kweli na kukata hizo mizizi inahitajika wanaume ambao wako very strategic ,and skimmer ,and not the likes of wetangula ,mudavadi ,and kalonozo those are past tense as far as 2022 is concerned.
Ulianza kwa kubeza kaatiba yetu, nikakuambia ndio inawawezesha Wakenya kuwa na uwezo wa kuhoji chochote ikiwemo wao kutaka kujitenga, na hili ni la kawaida kwenye hata mataifa yalioendelea sio kama kwenu mnakoishi kama jela, mara Tundu Lissu akihoji ndege mnamsweka ndani na kumpima mkojo.
Wacha kudanganya watu vita via Laikipia 1998 haikua sababu za siasa bali ilikua tofauti za kikabila kati ya wakikuyu na wasaburuAnyway did you know tht in 1998 after election which Moi won and FYI kikuyus were in opposition (Raila was in Kanu-NDP partnership he defected that same year )....did you know Kikuyus in Laikipia were seeking to secede???
So that you know !
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Woi i can see your trying hard to make yourself relevant in this topics but it aint coming.....saka form....kenya like most north african states and south african states is a collection of tribes brought together ....SA kuna 14 national language their Anthem is in 3 languages sang at the same time foool saka formKenya wanahoji kujitenga kwa sababu hawajawahi hata kuwa Taifa, isitoshe siyo watu wa aina mmoja, TZ yetu 98 % yetu ni Wabantu watu wa aina moja na wenye utamaduni unaoshabiihiana na ndo maana hkn matatizo, lkn Kenya kuna Wabantu, Nile sijui Samburu mara Kalenjili basi tu mkanganyiko!
Sawa ....na sai wajaluo na wakikuyu wanazozana kwa sababu ya kisiasa??? Eeeh??....smh foh kama hauna idea ya Kenya jipinge solo....am not up for thatWacha kudanganya watu vita via Laikipia 1998 haikua sababu za siasa bali ilikua tofauti za kikabila kati ya wakikuyu na wasaburu
Woi i can see your trying hard to make yourself relevant in this topics but it aint coming.....saka form....kenya like most north african states and south african states is a collection of tribes brought together ....SA kuna 14 national language their Anthem is in 3 languages sang at the same time foool saka form
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Sindio prio to 1910Hata wao AK wana matatizo kama Kenya, haujasikia Orange state? Zulu Nation? Wote hao wanataka nchi zao!
No no here you get it flat wrong.Hiyo sio 'development" bali ni private capital flowing where's there highest return,best market and ready consumer need.Hata ile Thika Rd haikujengwa sababu inaenda central but bcuz there was heavy traffic jams after so much private-led investment in the area.C'mon man ,sasa ukipeleka "maendeleo" mahali pasipo tayari si hiyo itakuwa white elephant?The above list goes to proof why Kenya needs to divorce developmen is centred around 1 area ....continue preaching our course for us !!
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LOOL ,ati affected tribes? Sasa Odinga kukosa urais inakuwaje "affected tribes" jameni? .Kule Sudan walikua na better case sababu ya utumwa ,ubaguzi wa rangi ,civil war lasting decades ,sharia laws for Christians na kukosa maendeleo uneo la kusini.Lol angalia watu wanapinga as if you gave a say in this
Well let me tell you
You dont and Never will have a say in this only the affected tribes will have a say in this anyway voice your opinions however hard you want ...jua tu Kura yako haita hitajika hapa only the affected tribes will!!
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Mababu zetu walikula kiapo msituni, wakapambana kwenye vita na mkoloni, vita ambavyo mzungu alitumia hadi ndege za kivita kulipua sehemu za misitu kando ya mlima Kenya! Cha ajabu babu zenu ndo walikuwa mahausiboi, mbwa wa wakoloni na mainfoma na matajiri wakupindukia! Sasa baada ya Matigari ma Njiruungi kutoka msituni mambo yamebadilika ndo imeanza kuwauma?
What hatred? I didnt mention any tribe I talked about my grandfather! Mine! Fighting for the independence of Kenya was an individual decision! The whole useless secessionist agenda is just another moniker for 'I hate kikuyus soo much!' When you want to secede you dont draw the maps yourselves, neither do you award names to the other side! Eti Central Republic of Kenya! We will remain Kenya and you and your Joshua can go and call yourselves Tibim Republic or Canaan or even Ndialala! Whatever you fancy just go and leave us in peace!I'm sorry bro but you're much much worse than those people calling for secession. Your comments seem to be influenced by tribal hatred and tribal superiority. You're attacking whole communities based on a comment made by a single man. People have reasons for calling for secessions and believe it or not, some of Ndii's reasons are valid.Interestingly, Ndii is neither Raila or Luo or Luhya but vile on this thread has specifically been thrown to those 3.