Peoples Republic Of Kenya v Central Republic of Kenya

[Iconoclastes]

Doesn't look or smell good for Kenyans jamani...There is an under current of discontent based on the response of this idea...Whatever you decide do it peacefully....Rumblings like these can sometimes fuel and ignite disaster...Remember a certain African Republic near you.... Seems to me a substantial quotient of the population are dissatisfied with the system...Tribalism isn't helping either...As a neighbour am keenly watching these unfolding events...Wishing you peace....

Do not be worried. This is just but an antic to gain attention of the govt to the issues concerning these pple, but they do not really mean all these.

 

[logania]

Logania usiogope sana. Wakenya wanatoa joto tu lakini mwisho wa siku watarejea kazini. Hakuna vita

You have to worry if you have investments or otherwise in a region..Peace is twofold for some of us...economical and social....I know you catch my drift...I know most kenyans want peace..

 

[Engineer levi Devin]

Buda boss chill

Am not engaging you....

Ww toa comments zote unataka but ballot paper ya ku secede hautakuwa kwa register mm ntakuwa

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I know that you are afraid of Ruto's victory come 2022 ,because as the things stand right now he has 65% chances of clinching the seat,but again its good because what you are doing will strengthen our democracy and alignment ,and realignment of 2022 will be effective na bila shaka atashinda yule mtu atakubaliwa across the board . Don't worry my brother this is just politics ,but as the end of the day we are together as Kenyans ,,,,as our people say ,watoto wanyumba moja wakipigana hawawezi pasua chungu . I think we should meet hapo java mama ngina street tukunywe coffee pamoja,otherwise have lovely evening.

 

[Sammuel999]

I know that you are afraid of Ruto's victory come 2022 ,because as the things stand right now he has 65% chances of clinching the seat,but again its good because what you are doing will strengthen our democracy and alignment ,and realignment of 2022 will be effective na bila shaka atashinda yule mtu atakubaliwa across the board . Don't worry my brother this is just politics ,but as the end of the day we are together as Kenyans ,,,,as our people say ,watoto wanyumba moja wakipigana hawawezi pasua chungu . I think we should meet hapo java mama ngina street tukunywe coffee pamoja,otherwise have lovely evening.

Safi sana baba


But Ruto hawesmake

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[MK254]

I was refering to the rivalry btwn the Kikuyus and the Luos. This hatred and mistrust doesnt really exist bcos of the Kenyattas and the Odingas political competition. Rather they exploit it for their political expediencies.

It is an issue that is running deep, hard to understand and decode, which was in existence when Kenya was still under the yoke of colonialism. Tom Mboya's wrote about it in his book; Challenges of Nationhood.

Even if both political families were to exit the stage....(clearly, these are really the sunset years of their domination of the Kenyan politics), the animosity will still persist, except that probably it will be simmering beneath the surface.

This persistent animosity will still remain, and for a very long time be exploited by subsequent politicians seeking the top leadership of our country, whether they will be hailing from these two communities or not. Politicians like Ruto and Kalonzo will still exploit this Luo- Kikuyu divide, that is the cheapest and the most surefire means of remaining ahead in the Kenyan politics, unfortunately.

But Kenya will not disintegrate bcos of this two communities, or the the alleged marginalization of the other regions of Kenya.
This debate will peter out in just a couple of days.

We squabble over many things in this country, tell each other very outrageous things, but we really love this country, even tho we may not stand each other. No Kenyan would in real sense countenance any idea of secession, these are just political rubble- rousing and blackmail by some few frustrated lots.

Bro, I grew up through the days of Moi in the midst of various tribes in a metropolitan town. I've Luo, Luhya and Kisii neighbours who treated me like they did to their own children, I can assure you back then I never got to experience what we are seeing today. Though I was occasionally told of rivalry that was there between the two tribes during the era of Kenyatta, but I didn't get to see it apart from a few instances of prejudices here and there.

Moi really hit the two tribes (Kikuyus and Luos) hard such that they ended up uniting against him politically, but went separate ways due to political greed of the leaders back then, akina Jaramogi,Matiba and Kibaki.

The rivalry got rekindled the moment Moi stepped out and left opposition to take over. It got even worse with a Kenyatta in the presidency and an Odinga controlling opposition.

I've lived through the ghettoes, seen the unity between these tribes and experienced their division when politics got in their way. I can tell you with confidence if we had a duel between Kalonzo vs Mudavadi or so in 2017 elections, the story would have been different, we wouldn't have gotten here.

 

[Engineer levi Devin]

Safi sana baba


But Ruto hawesmake

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Asanteh sana mwanangu ,nakutakia usiku mwanana usio na bugudha. Ila kumzuia Ruto itategemea jinsi wanaume watakavio jipanga si jambo rahisi ukizingatia kua amepeleka mizizi kweli kweli na kukata hizo mizizi inahitajika wanaume ambao wako very strategic ,and skimmer ,and not the likes of wetangula ,mudavadi ,and kalonozo those are past tense as far as 2022 is concerned.

 

[titimunda]

Arusha,kilimanjaro,manyara,tanga na sie tuandae referendum yetu,tujitawale wenyewe.

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[Sammuel999]

Asanteh sana mwanangu ,nakutakia usiku mwanana usio na bugudha. Ila kumzuia Ruto itategemea jinsi wanaume watakavio jipanga si jambo rahisi ukizingatia kua amepeleka mizizi kweli kweli na kukata hizo mizizi inahitajika wanaume ambao wako very strategic ,and skimmer ,and not the likes of wetangula ,mudavadi ,and kalonozo those are past tense as far as 2022 is concerned.

Anyway did you know tht in 1998 after election which Moi won and FYI kikuyus were in opposition (Raila was in Kanu-NDP partnership he defected that same year )....did you know Kikuyus in Laikipia were seeking to secede???

So that you know !

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[Barbarosa]

Ulianza kwa kubeza kaatiba yetu, nikakuambia ndio inawawezesha Wakenya kuwa na uwezo wa kuhoji chochote ikiwemo wao kutaka kujitenga, na hili ni la kawaida kwenye hata mataifa yalioendelea sio kama kwenu mnakoishi kama jela, mara Tundu Lissu akihoji ndege mnamsweka ndani na kumpima mkojo.

Kenya wanahoji kujitenga kwa sababu hawajawahi hata kuwa Taifa, isitoshe siyo watu wa aina mmoja, TZ yetu 98 % yetu ni Wabantu watu wa aina moja na wenye utamaduni unaoshabiihiana na ndo maana hkn matatizo, lkn Kenya kuna Wabantu, Nile sijui Samburu mara Kalenjili basi tu mkanganyiko!

 

[Spenzia]

Ukiwa umechoka kuishi kenya tembeza kiatu hakuna aliyekushika

 

[Spenzia]

Anyway did you know tht in 1998 after election which Moi won and FYI kikuyus were in opposition (Raila was in Kanu-NDP partnership he defected that same year )....did you know Kikuyus in Laikipia were seeking to secede???

So that you know !

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Wacha kudanganya watu vita via Laikipia 1998 haikua sababu za siasa bali ilikua tofauti za kikabila kati ya wakikuyu na wasaburu

 

[Sammuel999]

Kenya wanahoji kujitenga kwa sababu hawajawahi hata kuwa Taifa, isitoshe siyo watu wa aina mmoja, TZ yetu 98 % yetu ni Wabantu watu wa aina moja na wenye utamaduni unaoshabiihiana na ndo maana hkn matatizo, lkn Kenya kuna Wabantu, Nile sijui Samburu mara Kalenjili basi tu mkanganyiko!

Woi i can see your trying hard to make yourself relevant in this topics but it aint coming.....saka form....kenya like most north african states and south african states is a collection of tribes brought together ....SA kuna 14 national language their Anthem is in 3 languages sang at the same time foool saka form

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[Sammuel999]

Wacha kudanganya watu vita via Laikipia 1998 haikua sababu za siasa bali ilikua tofauti za kikabila kati ya wakikuyu na wasaburu

Sawa ....na sai wajaluo na wakikuyu wanazozana kwa sababu ya kisiasa??? Eeeh??....smh foh kama hauna idea ya Kenya jipinge solo....am not up for that

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[Barbarosa]

Woi i can see your trying hard to make yourself relevant in this topics but it aint coming.....saka form....kenya like most north african states and south african states is a collection of tribes brought together ....SA kuna 14 national language their Anthem is in 3 languages sang at the same time foool saka form

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Hata wao AK wana matatizo kama Kenya, haujasikia Orange state? Zulu Nation? Wote hao wanataka nchi zao!

 

[Sammuel999]

Hata wao AK wana matatizo kama Kenya, haujasikia Orange state? Zulu Nation? Wote hao wanataka nchi zao!

Sindio prio to 1910
Before the End of the Second Boer war that saw all white Dutch south africans put in concentration camps and killed by the british

They all hard their Nations

Natal
Orange free state
Cape
Transvaal etc

The british won the war against the Zulus (fyi zulus killed 1400 british troops in a period of 1 week ) prompting british to rethink their strategies the Zulu mfecane war strategy was on point....anyway

In 1910 after boer lost to britain they were all unionised and brought together to form their own republic but under the queen like newzealnd and Australia now......

All the black Soutg Africans were placed under white dutch and not brits


In SA too Louisianna was a french territory sold to USA
Alaska was russian territory sold to USA MOST states in america belonged to European Powers like switzerland, netherlands germany france and spain and britain had the largest shares so its not anything new.....

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[Bwana254]

The above list goes to proof why Kenya needs to divorce developmen is centred around 1 area ....continue preaching our course for us !!

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No no here you get it flat wrong.Hiyo sio 'development" bali ni private capital flowing where's there highest return,best market and ready consumer need.Hata ile Thika Rd haikujengwa sababu inaenda central but bcuz there was heavy traffic jams after so much private-led investment in the area.C'mon man ,sasa ukipeleka "maendeleo" mahali pasipo tayari si hiyo itakuwa white elephant?

 

[Bwana254]

Lol angalia watu wanapinga as if you gave a say in this


Well let me tell you


You dont and Never will have a say in this only the affected tribes will have a say in this anyway voice your opinions however hard you want ...jua tu Kura yako haita hitajika hapa only the affected tribes will!!

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LOOL ,ati affected tribes? Sasa Odinga kukosa urais inakuwaje "affected tribes" jameni? .Kule Sudan walikua na better case sababu ya utumwa ,ubaguzi wa rangi ,civil war lasting decades ,sharia laws for Christians na kukosa maendeleo uneo la kusini.
Hapa Kenya mtachekwa sana sababu idea ya secession imeletwa tu na mambo ya mtu mmoja kukosa urais. Wajaluo/waLuya wamejaa Nairobi ambapo wengi wanafanya kazi Nairobi ambapo mwajiri ni mKikuyu,muhindi ,watu kutoka ulaya ,makampuni ya kitaifa ama tegemeo lao ni uchuuzi mtaani .Watoto wao hawajui ushago hata kidogo sababu wamelelewa Nairobi etc.

Now tell me you're gonna go thru all this pain,deep inconvenience and loss just because of the presidency? Watu hao wote wakiondoka "foreign Nairobi' wataenda kupata kazi wapi,kuishi vipi mahali ambapo skills zao hazina market ? It ain't gonna be painless man i tell ya.

 

[NairobiWalker]

Mababu zetu walikula kiapo msituni, wakapambana kwenye vita na mkoloni, vita ambavyo mzungu alitumia hadi ndege za kivita kulipua sehemu za misitu kando ya mlima Kenya! Cha ajabu babu zenu ndo walikuwa mahausiboi, mbwa wa wakoloni na mainfoma na matajiri wakupindukia! Sasa baada ya Matigari ma Njiruungi kutoka msituni mambo yamebadilika ndo imeanza kuwauma?

I'm sorry bro but you're much much worse than those people calling for secession. Your comments seem to be influenced by tribal hatred and tribal superiority. You're attacking whole communities based on a comment made by a single man. People have reasons for calling for secessions and believe it or not, some of Ndii's reasons are valid.Interestingly, Ndii is neither Raila or Luo or Luhya but vile on this thread has specifically been thrown to those 3. Now let me take you back to the facts.

1. You say Kikuyus fought for Independence while the rest of us were informers and house keepers. FALSE - It's true that most freedom fighters were Kikuyu but it's not true that other communities were boot lickers. The white man took Kikuyus land that's why they fought him. The rest of Kenya couldn't fight someone who never hurt them.

2. Most housekeepers were actually Kikuyus. Interestingly those housekeepers are still the richest men amongst the Kikuyu and continue to exploit this country yet you consider them hero's. Remember Kenyatta grabbed all the land intended for Mau Mau resettlement. Look at the Koinanges et all. Descendants of colonial chiefs amongst the Kikuyus are currently the richest families in Kenya. Please get your facts right before you spew hatred.

All in all, let's make this thread about discussing the feasibility of Professor Ndii's suggestions and not about tribal bashing.

 

[Livale]

Shit! If this goes through and possessions repossessed by rival govts, some of us will be screwed economically

Dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, it's amazing how many disasters can be averted by dialogue. if certain regions feel left out then rotational presidency could aid them.

And the western regions of Kenya though not as marginalised as northern and Eastern parts, they have been marginalised none the less. Save for after the devolution period, major road projects were last implemented in the 80s, numerous factories processing raw products from these regions were either relocated to central areas or shut down all together to disenfranchise them. They only didn't surfer as adversely as say the turkana because the land there is fertile so they were actually needed to feed the nation

 

[pingli-nywee]

I'm sorry bro but you're much much worse than those people calling for secession. Your comments seem to be influenced by tribal hatred and tribal superiority. You're attacking whole communities based on a comment made by a single man. People have reasons for calling for secessions and believe it or not, some of Ndii's reasons are valid.Interestingly, Ndii is neither Raila or Luo or Luhya but vile on this thread has specifically been thrown to those 3.

What hatred? I didnt mention any tribe I talked about my grandfather! Mine! Fighting for the independence of Kenya was an individual decision! The whole useless secessionist agenda is just another moniker for 'I hate kikuyus soo much!' When you want to secede you dont draw the maps yourselves, neither do you award names to the other side! Eti Central Republic of Kenya! We will remain Kenya and you and your Joshua can go and call yourselves Tibim Republic or Canaan or even Ndialala! Whatever you fancy just go and leave us in peace!