Politicans open lobbying for US Air srikes and sanctions if Uhuru wins elections.

[Kabaridi]

Kabaridi, i rarely go into fractious political engagement with ya. loaded mkenya1987 coming hot in the heels to salvage the situation but am not convinced yet. What is this territorial integrity maneno ndugu when its no secret people were slaughtered in Kenya? What is the independence clause being invoked supposed to satisfy? we Kenyans or a political select?
We as a nation are a net import economy, we are doing badly already. Assume the west pulls out, how will we make a get back or pull a grand standing? How long will it take for us to assimilate into an ethno~asian market? Finally, how did Raila send Uhuruto to hague? Werent they all in cabinet? Who said lets not be vague lets go to the hague. Am no luo but if shove comes to push am taking the stupid liar Raila, he can please the west and save our economy.
Sudan took two decades without the west to stand on its own and it has oil, possibly we wont extract ours if sanctions will be imposed by ICC. Secondly, islamic states disregard ICC to the boot. What of Kenya? Where will we get our tourists? Our number one forex exchange earner? Where will we sell our black tea? Who will be our new diplomatic immunity coz Russia never saves anyone and before China swallows us it will be after a couple of decades. Honestly, we will be on this by ourselves, you, me and our kids for a painstaking five years.....by the time these suspects will be done i guarantee you we will be in doldrums as a nation. All pointers show to a confirmation of Uhuruto cases and freezing of their assetts unless sth is sold in Kenya in exchange.
Am a patriot to boot but i need a miracle or grand speech by the duo hague bound to convince me otherwise. Joka kuu your expertise has been summoned. Waiting for it.

livefire, that is where you go wrong dude. When is the last time you checked ur history?! Even mkenya knows that many that practice law will tell you its course does not entail a 'flat' process and if your assertion is true that one out of place & deranged politician holds the key to determining whether the hague can transfer cases to a local tribunal at will, then we are courting ABSOLUTISM! (which is politics of neither principles or national legislation but of "interest" and "influence". Western elements are currently weaving a web of obligations among such functionaries/political factions to secure favors/bargaing power. NB! And if this move becomes effected, then we can now worry of crippling sanctions via *"bretton-woods". Note here that N. Korean economic sarbotage was effected via such institutions not mavericks falling from the sky.Question; Interestingly, how and when did the *brettonwoods become effective? During the great depression of 1940S, what was the ideas behind it?
*Was to throw the world of balance in determining US economy was ailing and under threat because of its involvement in the world war. The idea behind the brettonwoods had not changed.

Back to topic ; is in anyway the new constitution advocating for Absolutism? No! I do not think so. But a permanet shift/drift of governance has began, which is a danger. Just for the sake of fear of falling into the economic doldrums, an absolute president will not save this country either if it intends to remain strategic and of importance to the region. All that is there is an absolute president will swallow all economic policies that the west via such !bretton woods will to force down his throats. R we keeping it real and watching keenly what is happening eurozone. What about a net import economy? Nothing about it, that is right. In the event sanctions/enhanced embargoes are slapped, will kenya need to survive economically via flip-flop type of economic exports; in terms of the west transcending cheap labour jobs while all profits are offloaded to the west like it was in the case of China of 1948 and more recently Haiti or Cuba if you want.?! Kenya has not sunk to that position and it will not be until potential absolutes stay out of the reach of power.

 

[Kabaridi]

Orelox are you suggesting the warlords attempt to go to the hague, Sudan's Bashir knows the dangers of that. That is why he is stuck put in Khartoum until death. Same to our case here. A sitting president cannot go to the hague as the statute needs ratification. ICC need to get down into their chambers and get busy; as in ratify the statute. The ICC need to wait for the uhuruto ten year term to end.

 

[livefire]

Orelox are you suggesting the warlords attempt to go to the hague, Sudan's Bashir knows the dangers of that. That is why he is stuck put in Khartoum until death. Same to our case here. A sitting president cannot go to the hague as the statute needs ratification. ICC need to get down into their chambers and get busy; as in ratify the statute. The ICC need to wait for the uhuruto ten year term to end.

inshort the hague bound are using the electorate to gain immunity at the behest of their own individual selfish interests? I will not support a bedeviled candidacy such as this; You heard Bensoudas warning, and am so certain that ones Uhuruto capture that presidency, never again will we see a progressive Kenya, expect impunity with regards to ICC.
You say selected individuals will be targetted.......we conviniently forget that these leaders are also our one and most precious bargaining chip. This begs one quiz? who will we bargaining with if the international arena sidelines & isolates us bro, are we self sufficient as a nation?.....mark you if we have a TNA/URP senate, it only means the whole govt will be a target to the so called western scrutiny and isolation, (VERY RADICAL AGAINST ICC).
I reiterate upon close scrutiny, and mark my words, i hate Odinga, but when it comes to electing a presidency acceptable to the well being of KENYA, Peter Kenneth, Raila, Martha Karua or any other moderate cane as well be a viable option.
Kenya is for the first time about to witness an economic recession worse than the 90's meltdown. And this will affect even the sudden disciplined forces re~armament campaign, affect the infrastructural loans to Kenya, affect the image of Kenya as an ivestors hub. Inshort expect bonds and internal borrowings to be the norm and with it an inflation like no other in Kenya. Who hurts most? the ordinary man.
This other maneno of Kenyas strategic importance to the WEST but honestly speaking is alil off the mark, this view has grossly been inflated. Tanzania or even Uganda can capture this mantle via proxies.
KENYA is not on trial, but certain elements in govt are keen to bake this nation and make it a state on trial.....

 

[Kabaridi]

inshort the hague bound are using the electorate to gain immunity at the behest of their own individual selfish interests? I will not support a bedeviled candidacy such as this; You heard Bensoudas warning, and am so certain that ones Uhuruto capture that presidency, never again will we see a progressive Kenya, expect impunity with regards to ICC.
You say selected individuals will be targetted.......we conviniently forget that these leaders are also our one and most precious bargaining chip. This begs one quiz? who will we bargaining with if the international arena sidelines & isolates us bro, are we self sufficient as a nation?.....mark you if we have a TNA/URP senate, it only means the whole govt will be a target to the so called western scrutiny and isolation, (VERY RADICAL AGAINST ICC).
I reiterate upon close scrutiny, and mark my words, i hate Odinga, but when it comes to electing a presidency acceptable to the well being of KENYA, Peter Kenneth, Raila, Martha Karua or any other moderate cane as well be a viable option.
Kenya is for the first time about to witness an economic recession worse than the 90's meltdown. And this will affect even the sudden disciplined forces re~armament campaign, affect the infrastructural loans to Kenya, affect the image of Kenya as an ivestors hub. Inshort expect bonds and internal borrowings to be the norm and with it an inflation like no other in Kenya. Who hurts most? the ordinary man.
This other maneno of Kenyas strategic importance to the WEST but honestly speaking is alil off the mark, this view has grossly been inflated. Tanzania or even Uganda can capture this mantle via proxies.
KENYA is not on trial, but certain elements in govt are keen to bake this nation and make it a state on trial.....

Moderate Kane.....Then ask how impunity was nurtured by the west in west africa Ivory coast. All systems are set and it is up to the Judiciary and the kenyans per-se to make that decision not a tribunal.

.....The only potential trap that your advocacy is blind to is democracy. Your moderate cane is seeking to create an indelible impression of pittance/breaks from prosecution to political opponents with hague tribunal or local tribunal; Have you seen ABSOLUTISM entrenched in the new constitution. I partly agree about your sanctions and sarbotage but that is done expediently to satisfy self serving western backed elements.

 

[platonist]

wewe livefire do you even know what you are saying? on infrastructural loan? What is the donor aid dependence percentage, You are talking about a sarbortaged economy fine; We can sell soverign bonds and survive thanks.

 

[livefire]

wewe livefire do you even know what you are saying? on infrastructural loan? What is the donor aid dependence percentage, You are talking about a sarbortaged economy fine; We can sell soverign bonds and survive thanks.

yep i do know what am talking about; internal expenses by Kenya are GOK sponsored (with a 10% plug deficit) and that covers all other sectors minus MEGA structures such as THIKA super highway and anything WB/IMF sponsored. All payments for thika Super Highway for instance are not handled by GOK but AFDB and paid directly to the final CONTRACTOR the chineese. Model adopted to combat rabid corruption within GoK. GoK only gives reports to effect such payments.
Anyway, no need to paste mud here. My resolve has done what it intended, can we continue being Kenyans now? Thanx platonist.
Respectfully.

 

[livefire]

Moderate Kane.....Then ask how impunity was nurtured by the west in west africa Ivory coast. All systems are set and it is up to the Judiciary and the kenyans per-se to make that decision not a tribunal.

.....The only potential trap that your advocacy is blind to is democracy. Your moderate cane is seeking to create an indelible impression of pittance/breaks from prosecution to political opponents with hague tribunal or local tribunal; Have you seen ABSOLUTISM entrenched in the new constitution. I partly agree about your sanctions and sarbotage but that is done expediently to satisfy self serving western backed elements.

can i back down on this one sir?
Thanx mate.

 

[Kabaridi]

can i back down on this one sir?
Thanx mate.

sawa mkuu I release you as i concede. Thanx