President Jakaya Kikwete warns East African neighbours against sidelining Tanzania!!!
President Jakaya Kikwete warns East African neighbours against sidelining Tanzania!!!
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Koborer
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Which conflicts do we love ndugu? Why are we always blamed for non existent issues? Aren't we free to chart our own destiny like others?
..do u believe the same for Tanzania. That we r also free to chart our own destiny?
..kama ni work permit fees hata Kenya zipo. kama ni ardhi kuna process thru tanz investement center which u have to follow. Kenya is the number 2 foreign investor in Tanzania. movement of ppl and employment, Tanzania has thousands of Kenyans working in our education sector.
..allegations kwamba Tanzania tunazuia EA integration should not be coming frm Kenya.
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Mkuu are you Tanzanian real, kumbuka ardhi haipanuki wala kuongezeka population inakua. Uganda ardhi ya Kampala and the whole of buganda is under Kabaka, ardhi ni ya chiefdoms. Mpaka sasa kuna mgogoro kati ya Kabaka na serikali kwamba ofisi za serikali ziliko Kampala ni kwenye chiefdom yake so serikali irudishe ardhi hiyo. Kenya hali kadhalika wana freehold system ardhi inamilikiwa na watu. Rwanda ndo hawana kabisa. Burundi the same thing. Hapo kuna usawa gani ? Tufungue milango waje wagrab Kila kitu. No way serikali lazima ilinde watu wake. Kwani integration lazima wamiliki ardhi huku. Waje wafanye biashara wapange ofisi kwa wenyeji period
For those who are arguing with Kenyan's regarding EAC issues, i pity you,this is a worthless battle,these guys enjoy hitting above their weight.
They make all the noise of how intergration of land,free movement etc is important while the same can not be achieved in their own country even at ward level.These are the same people who were ben't over backwards by the wrong side of capitalism,and for the same reason they think that they will correct their errors by dragging Tanzania in it.same people who were smashing each other over their tribal differences are here lecturing us about free movement and intergration.same knuckleheads who killed their own people because they belong to different tribe think that they deserve same citizenship treatment in Tanzania.
Land is owned by the government of Tanzania for Tanzanians,under the trusteeship of our president,so your noises of wanting our land are worthless cause because,you are not Tanzanians,you can however come to our land and grab as much as you want as long as you follow legal procedures that entitles you the right.it will just be a different form of rights.not the same we enjoy.
Even in EU there are states with movement restrictions and don't even think for a second u will vault out of Romania into UK and stay there for a year without proper permit. It will be easy but you will need some identification that is not accorderd to Brits.
hell, the brits even stayed out of the schengen scheme alltogether,that didnt exclude them out of the EU,even willing members like sweden who are founding members of schengen use their own currency.
the all in one solution that kenyans are looking for is not going to happen.we all understand,africa is already a hard place to survive,made harder by our clueless leaders, but that doesnt justify venting your frustrations over a country that has for long endured the true meaning of unity from street level,village level,to national level.you can bad mouth us for every little thing that you can find , but when it come to UNITY even the USA understands that.we are absolutely united from the core in.
They make all the noise of how intergration of land,free movement etc is important while the same can not be achieved in their own country even at ward level.These are the same people who were ben't over backwards by the wrong side of capitalism,and for the same reason they think that they will correct their errors by dragging Tanzania in it.same people who were smashing each other over their tribal differences are here lecturing us about free movement and intergration.same knuckleheads who killed their own people because they belong to different tribe think that they deserve same citizenship treatment in Tanzania.
Land is owned by the government of Tanzania for Tanzanians,under the trusteeship of our president,so your noises of wanting our land are worthless cause because,you are not Tanzanians,you can however come to our land and grab as much as you want as long as you follow legal procedures that entitles you the right.it will just be a different form of rights.not the same we enjoy.
Even in EU there are states with movement restrictions and don't even think for a second u will vault out of Romania into UK and stay there for a year without proper permit. It will be easy but you will need some identification that is not accorderd to Brits.
hell, the brits even stayed out of the schengen scheme alltogether,that didnt exclude them out of the EU,even willing members like sweden who are founding members of schengen use their own currency.
the all in one solution that kenyans are looking for is not going to happen.we all understand,africa is already a hard place to survive,made harder by our clueless leaders, but that doesnt justify venting your frustrations over a country that has for long endured the true meaning of unity from street level,village level,to national level.you can bad mouth us for every little thing that you can find , but when it come to UNITY even the USA understands that.we are absolutely united from the core in.
Maji_Baridi
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^^^ If most Tanzanians think like you do, then I can see where the problem lies. The issue of land is just but one facet of the integration process. TZ's Ujamaa policy is the antithesis of the EAC capitalist protocols where for instance, a Kenyan Agri-business company looks to sign a long term land lease where it can develop the land and sell the produce back to Kenya which in essence hasn't secured it's own food security. This became a sticking point a little while ago when TZ temporarily shut down maize exports to Kenya because it stated that it was looking to secure it's own food security first. Now, the issue of foreign companies looking to develop unused land worries Tanzanians since they still regard the land as communal property. They (TZ) would want to control where the produce goes to first. That in itself goes against the grain of capitalism.
That said, this whole land fiasco is untenable when you take into consideration that one country is socialist by nature while another wants to effect capitalism. In other words, I don't foresee a common ground being agreed upon any time soon. So lets dump this unfounded notion that Kenyans are looking to "steal" your land, that couldn't be further from the truth.
That said, this whole land fiasco is untenable when you take into consideration that one country is socialist by nature while another wants to effect capitalism. In other words, I don't foresee a common ground being agreed upon any time soon. So lets dump this unfounded notion that Kenyans are looking to "steal" your land, that couldn't be further from the truth.
Askari Kanzu
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You are still living in the past!
Maji_Baridi
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Feel free to elaborate my friend. The issues are real and the solutions are hinged on policy.
Koborer
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Brother, i have nothing but respect for Tanzania. Many times though i wonder why there is too much hatred for Kenya coming from you Tanzanians. In Kenya too there are many Tanzanians who go about their businesses freely. Many others shuttle between the two countries almost on a daily basis. Sometimes people take what is written on newspapers to be the official stand of Kenyans. They forget that newspapers are there for business and they need their stories as juicy as possible. A lot is written about Kenya out there too. It is up to us to discern what is relevant. Kenyans are nyang'aus to most Tanzanians. After so many years as a capitalist state, Kenyans have known nothing but competition for scarce resources. Perhaps it is from this that we appear that aggressive which isn't that bad either. Every country has a right to chart her own destiny and to protect the interests of her citizens in the best way possible.
Askari Kanzu
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What is there to elaborate? You mean Tz is still implementing the Ujamaa policy?
Koborer
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Land, land ,land, you are getting hysterical with this. Who really wants to grab your land. Kenya is not the only member of EAC, why don't you talk about other members too?
Kambi Popote
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Kifupi tz hatuhitaji ushirikiano ili kuwafurahisha watu fulani kama hauna manufaa hatutaki kushirikiana iwe kenya uganda mnaeza kwenda zenu
i am in kenyan forum, corresponding to kenyan fellas,simple as that, the rest of EA,land is a similar issue, concentrated in hands of few,in Tanzania it has been the case in the past 10 or so years,but at least here lands is leased.
i challenge any kenyan to ask UHURU to return the all the land his family owns to kenyans,i am not even asking for much,he just should push for an amendment to your constitutions that will make kenyan land property of state,then he wouldn't even have to return it to state,he will just have to lease it in terms,even 99 years like here in TZ,just not outright full ownership.the same goes to Ugandans with their kabaka etc,then after that,come back to EAC tables and ask Tanzania to open its lands,OK?
if he doesn't do that,he does not have the slightest of moral authority to claim about free land for all east Africans if he does not provide the same in his country.
by the way,am feeling for you guys, being an ordinary kenyan born in the wrong side of power sure is a hard task at the moment,the loophole that was once Tanzania is closing down fast.
time to toughen up and stand up to your mount kenya conmen.
cheers!!
Bukyanagandi
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Here we go again - Kenyans bragging about blessings of CAPITALISM and Evil of SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM!!
Bukyanagandi
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Simple - we don't talk about other members because they don't habour evil intent, period.
"in tz everyone owns the land.......kenyatta owns half of kenya"!!!???? uongo mkubwa huu
Koborer
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You will spend all your lives lamenting, but this will not change anything. You better start getting used to some things. You will NEVER wish Kenya away and sadly there is nothing else within you power to do.
Bukyanagandi
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Mkuu usipoteze muda, ndugu zetu hawa hawataa kaa chini hata siku moja eti "WABADIRIKE MINDSET ZAO" kumbuka tangu wakiwa shule ya msingi wamekuwa-brainwashed kuhusu ubaya wa siasa za Ujamaa na wanatoa mfano wa TANZANIA - hawana habari kwamba mambo hayo yamekwisha pitwa na WAKATI! We jaribu kusoma comments zao zilizo jaa majigambo, akili zao wanafiriki wao ni Semi-Super Power, majivuno ni tabia mbaya sana, na mara nyingi hizi traits zinatokana na watu ambao hawajiamini na waliojaa wivu na hila. Jaribu kutembelea kwenye Rular AREA ya nchi yao ndio utapata picha kamili ya disparity kati ya walionacho na wasio nacho - kwa ufupi ni majanga matupu; nikiona wanakuja kwenye social network yetu na kutoa kashifa zisizo na kichwa wala miguu ndio nakubari kwamba kumbe propaganda za Serikali ya hawamu ya kwanza ya Kenya ilifanikiwa sana kuwazuga akili Raia wake to a point of no RETURN. Labda niwaulize kitu - je ni Watanzania wangapi wamejiunga na mitandao ya jamii nchini Kenya - ni wangapi? hawapo kabisa - hukana Mtanzania anaweza kupoteza muda akilumbana na Wakenya kwenye mitandao yao ya kijamii - lakini wao kuja kwenye mitandao yetu "speaks volume" kuhusu walivyo na usongo na Taifa letu kama ni kwa nia njema au mbaya hiyo watajuana na Mungu wao. Narudia kuwahuliza hivi kama wanaona Tanzania doesn't count katika ustawi wa Kenya kwa nini wanafatilia fatilia kila kitu kinacho jiri nchini mwetu through our social networks, wakati mwingine wanafikia hatua ya kujaribu kutupa somo jinsi ya kuendesha nchi yetu wakati wao hawana mfano mzuri wa kuishi kwa amani, wamejaa ukabila, hinda, majigambo yasio na tija. Nikiona siku hizi wanawakimbilia Wachina ili wapate misaada ya kuendeleza nchi yao, hawana aibu kuomba misaada kutoka nchi ambazo zinaedesha nchi zao kwa misingi ya Ujamaa (siasa ambazo Wakenya wanajitia kuzibeza beza) kitendo hicho cha kinafiki ndio unifanya nione Uongozi na baadhi ya Raia wa Kenya ni mazabazabina wa kutupwa, wanatekeleza doctrine ya "CHAKO CHANGU, CHANGU CHANGU" wanatekeleza hilo "to the letter".