Rabi Leo Baeck ni nani kwa Israel?

Wickama said:

mkuu, hii ni mada ngumu na ndefu sana. hata mimi mwanzoni ilini-affect sana. lakini ukitulia unaanza kugundua mambo fulani yenye ukweli.

1. katika vitabu (attributed to Moses) kuna mahali waisrael walimkosea Mungu kwa ukaidi wao. Wakati huo wameshatoka Misri. Musa aliwaambia kwa utovu ule, basi Bwana Mungu anawatangazia kuwa atawarudisha utumwani Misri KWA MELI (Deutronomy 26:68).
And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt againe, with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more againe: and there ye shall bee sold unto your enemies for bondmen, and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
- King James Version (1611)

Wafasiri wengi wemetafsri neno Misri katika aya hii kama UTUMWANI.

Kisha (Deutronomy 28:22)

…21"The LORD will make the pestilence cling to you until He has consumed you from the land where you are entering to possess it. 22"The LORD will smite you with consumption and with fever and with inflammation and with fiery heat and with the sword and with blight and with mildew, and they will pursue you until you perish.23

Deutronomy 28:45
…44"He shall lend to you, but you will not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you will be the tail. 45"So all these curses shall come on you and pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you would not obey the LORD your God by keeping His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you.46"They shall become a sign and a wonder on you and your descendants forever.

2. Isaiah 11: 11-12 inazungumzia Mungu kuwakusanya hao wayahudi

Then it will happen on that day that the Lord Will again recover the second time with His hand The remnant of His people, who will remain, From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, And from the islands of the sea.12And He will lift up a standard for the nations And assemble the banished ones of Israel, And will gather the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth.

Mwelekeo wa aya hizi ni kwamba hao Israel watapelekwa utumwani KWA MELI hadi maeneo mengi duniani. Huko Watauzwa kwa thamani ndogo sana hadi bure. Kisha wanaahidiwa kila madhila kuanzia ufukara, udhalili, maradhi mazito hadi hapo Mungu atakapowawia radhi na kuwakusanya upya toka pembe zote za dunia.

Mkuu, wayahudi walikuwa weusi, waliuwawa kwa wingi mwaka 70AD, wengi walitorokea africa (search Lemba tribe of south africa). How comes kibantu (eg lingala) kina similarity na hebrew language? How comes wabantu wana customes za tohara, kurithi mke wa marehemu kaka, kufanya mambo yao based on lunar calendar, wanajitenga na kina mama pindi mke anapokuwa katika siku zake? Historia inatuambia wabantu walianzia kwenye misitu ya afrika magharibi hususan Cameroon. Tukubali. Lakini Mji mkuu wa cameroon Yauonde ukiondoa hiyo N utajikuta unatamka YAHUDI. Na waandishi wa kiarabu walishaandika uwepo wa wayahudi maeneo ya africa magharibi. Kabla ya wazungu kufika huko.

Ni wabantu peke yao ambao walipelekwa UTUMWANI kilakona ya dunia KWA MELI (marekani kaskazini na kusini, arabia, india na visiwa kibao across the world) tokea africa magharibi, kusini, kati, na afrika mashariki (husikii wasio wabantu kama wamasai au wajaluo kupelekwa utumwani)

Ni wabantu peke yao ambao hadi leo wamekuwa chimbuko la maradhi ya kutisha (HIV, Ebola nk)

Ni wabantu pekee ambao nchi zao wanaporwa raslimali na haziwasaidii kitu

Wabantu wamebaki dhalili na maskini wa kutupwa pamoja na raslimali kuwazunguka. On the other hand hakuna matajiri kama hao wanaojiita Wayahudi wa sasa contrary to this prophecy (Hollywood, banks nk)

Wabantu ni lukuki, hali ya kuwa current jews ni wachache. Ndio maana nikamuuliza bwana mmoja humu JF kuwa kama ahadi ilikuwa kuwafanya uzao wa Isaack kuwa kama mchanga kwa wingi then, how comes 4-5000 years later eti uzao wa issack (wayahudi) hawafiki 20 Milion akanijibu kuwa Hittler aliwauwa wengi. Sio kweli.

Hawa wa sasa huko palestine ni FEKI, ni bandia tena kwa ushahidi wa DNA

"Jews" Are Not Descendants of Abraham


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Punjab Singh said:

Keep seeking my friend you will find alot. Now on the African origin forget the Olduvai theory and all Darwinism. Find who are the Cushites, The Kingdom of Darius and Xerxes.
Then you should learn about the Amonites, Arapimus and Afars.

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Mkuu wa chuo said:

Mkuu Wickama hebu check kwanza hiyo Deuteronomy 26:68 urekebishe, maana hiyo verse ya Deuteronomy 26:68 haipo...

Tukirudi, nadhani Wahabeshi sio Wabantu unaweza nirekebisha... Na Wayahudi wengine ni Wa Ethiopia, Hebu nipe hapo inakuwa vipi hapo, japokuwa najua chimbuko la wale Wayahudi wa Ethiopia ni Mfalme Solomon na Malkia wa Sheba, Unawaongelea vipi hao Wayahudi wa Ethiopia!?

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Eiyer said:

Mkuu napenda nikuambie kuwa nimeshangaa sana kwa taarifa hii ...

Sikupingi wala sikubali moja kwa moja,ngoja nisome hicho kitabu kwanza

Dah ......

Mkuu kama hii ni kweli sijui itakuwaje

Am shocked mkuu!

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Tugas said:

Mkuu hata historia ya Wakurya inaonesha walitoka Misri, wakapita Sudan na mpaka leo Sudan kusini kuna Wakurya, wakaingia Kenya na kufika hadi kusini mwa Kenya mpaka leo kuna Wakurya waishio huko, wakaja mpaka kaskazini mwa Tanzania ndo wakurya wa Tanzania unavyowaona leo., huu ni mfano tu kuwa Misri kulikua na watu weusi na wala sio waarabu

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Eiyer said:

Mkuu napenda nikuambie kuwa nimeshangaa sana kwa taarifa hii ...

Sikupingi wala sikubali moja kwa moja,ngoja nisome hicho kitabu kwanza

Dah ......

Mkuu kama hii ni kweli sijui itakuwaje

Am shocked mkuu!

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THE BLACK JEWS OF AFRICA PART 2: JEWS OF NIGERIA, SENEGAL AND CONGO – JIDE UWECHIAAUGUST 16, 2007 DON JAIDE 58 COMMENTS
The Black Jews Of Africa Pt.2
Jews Of Nigeria, Senegal and Congo

Moreover,with Israel coming under Greek, Persian and later Roman rule and dependency, renewed waves of Jewish refugees including traders and artisans began to set up more communities in Egypt, Cyrenaica, Nubia and the Punic Empire, notably in Carthage. From Carthage they began to scatter into various historically established, as well as newly emerging Jewish communities south of the Atlas mountains nearer to the modern day Mauritania, Niger, Mali, Nigeria, Senegal, Cameroon and Congo. Several Jewish nomadic groups also moved across the Sahara from Nubia and the ancient kingdom of Kush towards west Africa.
Various East and West African ethinic nations lay verifiable claim to their Jewish ancestral heritage. The Falashas, the most famous of those Black Jews have been validated. Close to three hundred thousand of those black Falasha Jews live in the modern State of Isreal as practising Jews.
The Lembas of South Africa, another so-called Bantu tribe have a cogent and valid claim to Jewish ancestory and heritage backed by solid genetic evidence i.e. the prevalence of the so-called Cohen modal J haplogroup. The Lembas as a group are indistinguishable from their Bantu neighbours suggestiing that most Bantus groups possess this archetypal Jewish genetic haplogroup. It implies that there are potentially more bloodline Jews on the continent of Africa than anywhere else including modern Europe and Israel.
The names of old Jewish communities south of the Atlas mountains (around the regions of modern Niger, Nigeria), many of which existed well into Renaissance times, can be found in documents in synagogue archives in Cairo. See "George E. Lichtblau"
Jewish and Islamic chronicles cite the existence of Jewish rulers of certain Jewish tribal groups and clans (self identifying as Jewish) scattered throughout Mauritania, Senegal, the Western Sudan, Nigeria, and Ghana. See Ismael Diadie Haidara, "Les Juifs a` Timbouctou", Recueil de sources relatives au commerce juif a Timbouctou au XIXe siecle, Editions Donniya, Bamako, 1999.
According to the Tarikh es Soudan recorded by Abderrahman ben Abdallah es-Sadi (translated by O.Houdas) a Jewish community was formed by a group of Egyptian Jews, who had travelled to the West Africa through Chad. See also: al-Kati M., "Tarikh al-Fattash, 1600″.
Another such community was located near the Niger River by the name of Koukiya led by a ruler known as Dia or Dji, a shortened form of "Dia min al Yaman" or Diallaiman (meaning he who comes from Yemen). According to local traditions, Diallaiman was a member of one of the Ethiopian-Jewish colonies transplanted from Yemen to Ethiopian-Abbysinia in the 6th century C.E. Dialliaman is said to have moved to West Africa along with his brother. They set up the Jewish community in Northern Nigeria which later merged with the famous 7 Hausa States. See Meek C.K., "Northern Nigeria Tribes" Volume 1, Oxford, p.66.
A 9th century Jewish traveller Eldad ben-Mahli (also known as Eldad the Danite) related accounts about the location of some of the lost tribes of the House of Israel. According to this account, the tribe of Dan had migrated from Palestine so as not to take part in the internecine civil wars at the time of Yeroboam's succession. It was reported that this section was residing in the land of Havila beyond the waters of Ethiopia where there was much gold i.e. West Africa.
It was further reported that three other tribes had joined the tribe of Dan namely Naphtali, Gad, Asher. Those joined up with Dan in the land of Havila in the times of Sennacherib. They had an entire body of scriptures barring Esther and Lamentations. They neither used the Talmud nor the Mishna, but they had a Talmud of their own in which all the laws were cited in the name of Joshua the son of Nun. See Nahum Slouschz, "Travels in North Africa" Philadelphia 1927, p.227.
Ibn Khaldun, who lived in the 13th century, a respected authority on Berber history testified about the Black Jews of Western Sudan with whom he personally interacted. The famous muslim geographer al-Idrisi, born in Ceuta, Spain in the 12th century, wrote extensively about Jewish Negroes in the Western Sudan.
Black Jews were fully integrated and achieved pre-eminence in many West African kingdoms. For instance Jews were believed to have settled in great West African empires such as Songhai, Mali, Ghana and Kanem-Bornu empires. According to numerous accounts of contemporary visitors to the region several rulers, and administrators of the Songhai empire were of Jewish origins until Askia Muhammad came to power in 1492 and decreed that all Jews either convert to Islam or leave the region. See Ismael Diadie Haidara, "Les Juifs a` Timbouctou", Recueil de sources relatives au commerce juif a Timbouctou au XIXe siecle, Editions Donniya, Bamako, 1999.
The 16th century historian and traveler Leon Africanus, was a Hebrew-speaking Jewish convert to Islam, raised in a Jewish household by Jewish parents of Moroccan descent. Leon Africanus travelled extensively in Africa south of the Sahara where he encountered innumerable Black African Jewish communities. Leon later converted to Catholicism but remained interested in Jewish communities he encountered throughout his travels in West Africa. See Leo Africanus (al-Hassan b. al -Wazzan al-Zayyati), Della discrittione dell'Africa per Giovanni Leoni Africano, Settima Parte, in G.B. Ramusio, Delle navigationi e viaggi. Venice 1550, I, ff.78-81r.
Additional evidence is provided by surviving oral traditions of numerous African ethnic groups, including links to biblical ancestors, names of localities, and ceremonies with affinities to Jewish ritual practices. Moreover, the writings of several modern West African historians indicate that the memories of Jewish roots historical in West Africa continue to survive.
For instance, there are a number of historical records of small Jewish kingdoms and tribal groups known as Beni Israel that were part of the Wolof and Mandinge communities. These existed in Senegal from the early Middle Ages up to the 18th century, when they were forced to convert to Islam. Some of these claimed to be descendants of the tribe of Dan, the traditional tribe of Jewish gold and metal artisans, who are also said to have built the "Golden Calf".
Black Jews are said to have formed the roots of a powerful craft tradition among the still-renowned Senegalese goldsmiths, jewelers and other metal artisans. The name of an old Senegalese province called "Juddala" is said to attest to the notable impact Jews made in this part of the world. In addition to the Jewish tribal groups in Senegal who claim to be descendants of the tribe of Dan, the Ethiopian Jews also trace their ancestry to the tribe of Dan.
Additionally, Mr. Bubu Hama, a former president of the National Assembly in Niger and a prolific writer on African history has argued in many treatise as well as lecture tours that the Tuaregs had a Jewish queen in early medieval times, and that some Jewish Tuareg clans had preserved their adherence to that faith, in defiance of both Islamic and Christian missionary pressure, until the 18th century. In several of his books Hama cites the genealogies of Jewish rulers of the Tuareg and Hausa kingdoms. See "Lichtblau".
Some accounts place some West African Jewish community in the Ondo forest of Nigeria, south of Timbouctou. This community maintained a Torah Scroll as late as 1930s, written in Aramaic that had been burnt into parchment with a hot iron instead of ink so it could not be changed. See Gonen Rivaka, "The Quest for the Ten Lost tribes of israel: To the Ends of the Earth", Jason Aronson Inc., Northville, NJ., 2002 at pages 180-181.
The Igbos of Nigeria, one of the bigger nations that comprise Nigeria lay a strong claim to Jewish ancestry as borne out by their mores, laws, rituals and idioms which have a heavily accented old testament Hebrew flavour.See Ilona R, "The Ibos: Jews of Nigeria," volume 1, Research Findings Historical Links, Commentaries, Narratives," 2004, Mega Press Limited, Abuja, Nigeria
Some of the established Jewish communities existed in such still renowned places as Gao, Timbuktu Bamako, Agadez, and Kano. In Timbucktu, the UNESCO still maintains notable archives containing records of the old Jewish community of Mali and the Hausa states of Nigeria.
Jide Uwechia
Aug 15, 2007

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Tugas said:

Mkuu hata historia ya Wakurya inaonesha walitoka Misri, wakapita Sudan na mpaka leo Sudan kusini kuna Wakurya, wakaingia Kenya na kufika hadi kusini mwa Kenya mpaka leo kuna Wakurya waishio huko, wakaja mpaka kaskazini mwa Tanzania ndo wakurya wa Tanzania unavyowaona leo., huu ni mfano tu kuwa Misri kulikua na watu weusi na wala sio waarabu

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Wickama said:

Mkuu, kwa muda mrefu nimekuwa naisaka article hii kwa vile ni research material. Naomba mpitie content zake

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source: The Black Jews of Africa Part 2: Jews of Nigeria, Senegal and Congo – Jide Uwechia | Rasta Livewire

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Punjab Singh said:

My Friend who told you that Arabs are White?
Google « Original Arabs are Black" then google about "Moors"

Do you know the meaning of the word Arab?
Have you ever contemplatedwhy rich crop producing land is termed as " Arable land?"

Egypt is in Africa, Keralla and Almost all south India and Srilanka has black people are they African? Is everyone black is African? Do you know who are the Afars?

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Wickama said:

Mkuu, kwa muda mrefu nimekuwa naisaka article hii kwa vile ni research material. Naomba mpitie content zake

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source: The Black Jews of Africa Part 2: Jews of Nigeria, Senegal and Congo – Jide Uwechia | Rasta Livewire

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Eiyer said:

So the issue here is "Wabantu" and not black people,right?

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Punjab Singh said:

Cmon my friend did it ever come to you that these three black grps Black Africans(Soudani), Sind and Hind, share the same ancestral origin?

Please study about the Cushites.

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Eiyer said:

What are you tying to say my friend?
Wickama amesema uwezekano wa Wabantu kuwa ndio Waisrael halisi,hapa unaniambia wana chanzo kimoja,kama Wickama yupo sahihi,je wote hao unaosema wewe nao ni miongoni mwa Waisrael au inakuwaje?

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Punjab Singh said:

There is distinction between black "Children of Israel" and Black Jews. There is also a lot controversy on the definition of the Jews is it a religion or a race?
Then there is this story of Cushite Benjamin and also about Zephora. The story of Moses black wife. Remember I said about The Empires of Darius, Cyrus and Xerses?

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Eiyer said:

Mkuu ungekuwa unatiririka tu moja kwa moja na sio kusema kidogo kidogo ...!!

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Mkuu wa chuo said:

Atiririke kivipi tena mkuu!? wakati vitu vingine ukimuuliza hajui, zaidi anakuletea li paragraph au link uende ukaangalie... kwasababu anajua huko huwezi kuuliza swali...

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