Rabi Leo Baeck ni nani kwa Israel?

[Elungata]

Refute my post with impeccable verses and not vain words Elungata. Nataka aya kutoka Biblia.

Abraham and his descendants were given the unconditional covenant of the Promised Land (Gen. 17:8) and the covenant of circumcision (Gen. 17:10). Abraham is the father of the Jews (Acts 3:12-25). Isaac was his son and Jacob was his grandson (Matt. 1:2). Thus, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are known as the Patriarchs, the fathers of the Jews.

Bibilia inasema abraham atakua baba wa mataifa mengi na kwake yeye hayo mataifa yatabarikiwa.
lakini wayahudi kwa hila wakajitahidi kubadili maandiko waonekane kuwa wao pekee ndo walipata baraka.wakati tangu mwanzo isaka amedhulumu baraka za ishmael,na mtoto wake yakobo akamtapeli esau na hata kumwibia mjombake labani.
asili ya hawa wayahudi ni kutapeli visivyo vyao kwa ujanja ujanja.
hata habari ya yakobo eti kuitwa israel ni utapeli wala ile habari eti alipigana mieleka na mungu ni magumashi.
ndo maana bibilia inadai yakobo alifika mahali akapaita bethel baada ya kuwa kakutana na mungu,lakini waandishi wa bible wamejichanganya na kudai abrahamu alifika mahali panaitwa bethel akaweka mahema ya kuabudia.
sasa bethel alipaita yakobo maelfu kama si mamia ya miaka baada ya abraham kufa,then bethel aliyoitembelea abrahamu ni ipi tena kama si kujichanganya.

 

[Elungata]

Jacob's name was changed by God to "Israel" (Gen. 35:10-12) and he had twelve sons (Gen. 35:23-26) from whom come the Twelve Tribes of Israel. All of their descendants are known collectively throughout the Bible as the Children of Israel (Ex. 1:6-7).

One of those twelve sons was Judah (Gen. 35:23, Matt. 1:2) and it is from his name that we get the word 'Jew'. Although Yehudah (Judah) was only one of the twelve, by 700 BCE, because of the course of Israel's history, the word Yehudee (Jew) came to mean any person descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Jer. 34:9). So, for instance, Saul haShaliach (the Apostle Paul) was of the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1) yet he self-identified as a Jew (Acts 22:3).

Jina jew lilipata nguvu karne ya 8 baada ya utawala wa israel kingdom kuanguka na watu wake kupotea na ikabaki judah kingdom.
ambayo ilidumu kwa mda mrefu kidogo kabla ya kuangushwa na walipoenda uhamishoni babel ndo wakaja wakarudi na ndo ukawa mwanzo wa dini ya jew kama ilivyo leo.
watu wa israel kingdom hawakupata kujiita jews hata siku moja.
ndo maana hata kipindi kingdom zote mbili zipo.judea kingdom walikua wakiabudu kuelekea jerusalem,wakati israel kingdom wakiabudu bethel.
na wengine wakiabudu mungu El na wengine YAHWEW na walikua na maandiko tofauti.
lakini waandishi wa bibilia walifanya kuchukua maandishi ya pande zote mbili na kujaribu kuyaunga kupata hivyo vitabu vitano vya mwanzo vya agano la kale,yaani torati.
ndo kisa cha kuwepo contradiction zisizoisha ndani ya bible.

 

[Ishmael]

Jina jew lilipata nguvu karne ya 8 baada ya utawala wa israel kingdom kuanguka na watu wake kupotea na ikabaki judah kingdom.
ambayo ilidumu kwa mda mrefu kidogo kabla ya kuangushwa na walipoenda uhamishoni babel ndo wakaja wakarudi na ndo ukawa mwanzo wa dini ya jew kama ilivyo leo.
watu wa israel kingdom hawakupata kujiita jews hata siku moja.
ndo maana hata kipindi kingdom zote mbili zipo.judea kingdom walikua wakiabudu kuelekea jerusalem,wakati israel kingdom wakiabudu bethel.
na wengine wakiabudu mungu El na wengine YAHWEW na walikua na maandiko tofauti.
lakini waandishi wa bibilia walifanya kuchukua maandishi ya pande zote mbili na kujaribu kuyaunga kupata hivyo vitabu vitano vya mwanzo vya agano la kale,yaani torati.
ndo kisa cha kuwepo contradiction zisizoisha ndani ya bible.

Blah blah blah blah, I need verses young man.

 

[Ishmael]

Bibilia inasema abraham atakua baba wa mataifa mengi na kwake yeye hayo mataifa yatabarikiwa.
lakini wayahudi kwa hila wakajitahidi kubadili maandiko waonekane kuwa wao pekee ndo walipata baraka.wakati tangu mwanzo isaka amedhulumu baraka za ishmael,na mtoto wake yakobo akamtapeli esau na hata kumwibia mjombake labani.
asili ya hawa wayahudi ni kutapeli visivyo vyao kwa ujanja ujanja.
hata habari ya yakobo eti kuitwa israel ni utapeli wala ile habari eti alipigana mieleka na mungu ni magumashi.
ndo maana bibilia inadai yakobo alifika mahali akapaita bethel baada ya kuwa kakutana na mungu,lakini waandishi wa bible wamejichanganya na kudai abrahamu alifika mahali panaitwa bethel akaweka mahema ya kuabudia.
sasa bethel alipaita yakobo maelfu kama si mamia ya miaka baada ya abraham kufa,then bethel aliyoitembelea abrahamu ni ipi tena kama si kujichanganya.

Another bogus reply.

 

[Elungata]

Another bogus reply.

Wewe utaona bogus,lakini watu wanasoma na kujiuliza maswali,kukwepa kujibu hoja na kuzitolea maelezo kutakufanya upoteze wanakondoo pastor ishmael.
unataka verse mbona utazichoka,ngoja nikuandalie.

 

[Ishmael]

Wewe utaona bogus,lakini watu wanasoma na kujiuliza maswali,kukwepa kujibu hoja na kuzitolea maelezo kutakufanya upoteze wanakondoo pastor ishmael.
unataka verse mbona utazichoka,ngoja nikuandalie.

People need evidence and not just words. So, your post is bogus. That is why your are not using Quran because your book is weak.

Abraham was a Jew? Abraham and his descendants were given the unconditional covenant of the Promised Land (Gen. 17:8) and the covenant of circumcision (Gen. 17:10). Abraham is the father of the Jews (Acts 3:12-25). Isaac was his son and Jacob was his grandson (Matt. 1:2). Thus, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are known as the Patriarchs, the fathers of the Jews.

 

[Elungata]

In some Islamsects, Abraham's father is believed to have been an ignorant man, [ 17 ]who refused to listen to the constant advice of his wise son. In fact, the earliest story involving Abrahamin the Qur'anis his discussion with his father. The name given for this man in the Qur'an [ 18 ]is Āzar ( Arabic:آزر&#8206😉, though Arab genealogists related the name of Abraham's father as Tāraḥ ( Arabic:تارح&#8206😉. Even though the name is different in Islamic traditionto that in the Hebrew Bible, there is no doubt that the same figure is spoken of in both texts.[ citation needed]
Abraham's advice
As a father, Azar required his son's most sincere advice. Abraham, after receiving his first revelationsfrom God, invited his father to the way of Islam. Abraham explained to him the faults in idolatry, [ 19 ]and why he was wrong to worship objects which could neither hear nor see. [ 20 ]From the Quran 74/6 "And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham said to his father Azar: Do you take idols as deities? Indeed, I see you and your people to be in manifest error." Abraham told his father that he had indeed received revelations from God, knowledge which his father did not possess, [ 21 ]and told him that belief in Godwould grant him immense rewards in both this life and the hereafter. Abraham concluded his preaching by warning Azar of the grave punishment he would face if he did not mend his ways. [ 22 ]When Abraham offered his father the guidance and advice of God, he rejected it, and threatened to stonehim to death. [ 23 ]Abraham prayed for his father [ 24 ]to be forgiven by God, and although he continued to seek forgiveness, it was only because of a promise that he had made earlier to him. When it became clear that Azar's unrelenting hatred towards pure monotheismwould never be fought, Abraham dissociated himself from him. [ 25 ]
Wreckage of the idols
The Qur'anstates that the people of Abrahamwere idolaters. When Abraham had become older, he decided to finally teach his community a lesson. He said to himself that he had a plan for their idols, whilst they would be gone away. [ 26 ]The Qur'angoes on to narrate that Abraham subsequently broke the idols, all except the largest, which he kept intact. [ 27 ]When the people returned, they began questioning each other over the wreckage, until some of the people remembered that the youth, Abraham, had spoken of the idols earlier. [ 28 ]When Abraham arrived, the people immediately began to question him, asking him whether he had anything to do with the broken idols. Abraham then, in a clever taunt, asked the people as to why they do not ask the largest of the idols, which, they believed, could indeed hear and speak. [ 29 ]The people of Abraham were then confounded with shame, and admitted that the idols were incapable of anything. [ 30 ]
Abraham is thrown into the fire
After the incident of the idol wreckage, the people of Abraham, while having admitted their fault, are said to have ignored Abraham's warning and instead retaliated by throwing him into a fireand exclaiming "protect your gods". [ 31 ]Although the natural nature of fire is one of intense heat, Godcommanded the flame to be cool and peaceful for Abraham. [ 32 ]Abraham, as a result, remained unhurt both physically and spiritually, having survived the fire of persecution. The people continued to taunt and persecute him, but to no avail, as the Qur'ansays that it was they "that lost most". [ 33

 

[Elungata]

DID MOSES
WRITE THE FIRST FIVE
BOOKS OF THE BIBLE?
The evidence that Moses did not write the Torah
taken from the Pentateuch
Jacob's name change to Israel
and the multiple traditions of Bethel
the story of Jacob's ladder
If Moses wrote the Bible then Moses was responsible for writing doublets of various stories, each of which was supposed to explain how some certain event took place. As an example of multiple traditions and strange editing, consider the traditions surrounding Jacob, his name change to Israel, and the multiple traditions of the naming of Bethel, a closely related story. We are told that God says that Jacob is to be called Jacob no longer.
"There he built an altar, and called the place Elbethel, because there God had revealed himself to him when he fled from his brother ... God appeared to Jacob again, when he came from Paddanaram, and blessed him. And God said to him, "Your name is Jacob; no longer shall your name be called Jacob, but Israel shall be your name." So his name was called Israel."(Genesis Chapter 35 verse 7)
Their is a doublet of this story. After wrestling with an angel Jacob is renamed Israel.
"Then he said, ‘Your name shall no more be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.'"(Genesis Chapter 32 verse 28)
Later God calls him Jacob.
"And God spoke to Israel in visions of the night, and said, "Jacob, Jacob." And he said, "Here am I."(Genesis Chapter 46 verse 2)
There is also a doublet relating a different tradition of the naming of Bethel. Jacob has a vision and sees the famous Jacob's ladder stretching to heaven.
"Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, "Surely YAHWEH is in this place; and I did not know it." And he was afraid, and said, "How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven." So Jacob rose early in the morning, and he took the stone which he had put under his head and set it up for a pillar and poured oil on the top of it. He called the name of that place Bethel; but the name of the city was Luz at the first."(Genesis Chapter 28 verse 16)
However Abraham visits Bethel before it was ever called Bethel, long before Jacob or Jacob's father was born..
"Thence Abraham removed to the mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east; and there he built an altar to YAHWEH and called on the name of YAHWEH. And he journeyed on from the Negeb as far as Bethel, to the place where his tent had been at the beginning, between Bethel and Ai."(Genesis Chapter 12 verse 8, Genesis Chapter 13 verse 3

 

[Elungata]

THE CONTRADICTORY
BOOK OF JOSHUA
Contradictory history on the pages of the Bible
The book of Joshua in the Bible presents several internally inconsistent scenarios which describe the entry of Israel into Canaan, and it also conflicts with Judges and other books of the Bible. The example of the books of Joshua and Judges can be used to illustrate that multiple versions of events are given in the Bible. Any interested readercould compare the account contained in the book of Joshua with that related inthe book of Judges. This sort of 'research' is not hard to do. Take aconcordance (a type of dictionary of the Bible listing the passages where agiven word occurs). Look up each word and compare passages.
The book of Joshua portrays the conquest of Canaan as a single event thattook place in one campaign divided into a number of stages. The end result wasthat the inhabitants of the land were all slaughtered.
"He left not a single survivor" (Joshua 11:8)and, "the land was now at peace," (Joshua 14:15)for, "the country now lay subdued at their feet." (Joshua 18:1)
A survey team was thensent out and reported back to Joshua who then decided how to divide up the land. Lots were then cast for each portion by representatives of the tribes. (It turns out that the lot casting is the major problem with the book as it presupposes a unitary conquest, victory, peace, and possession of the land, as described above.) The bookconcludes with a great meeting a Shechem, which functions as a summaryconclusion to everything that took place and a call to follow God faithfully,just as God faithfully fulfilled a promise to hand over the Canaanite lands tothe people (the references to fulfilled prophecy in the book come in large partfrom the book of Deuteronomy). Joshua died and was buried.
Ifyou were to continue to read on into the book of Judges the first thing you would notice is that a break in the continuity of the narrative takes place. The first line of Judges reads:
"After the death of Joshuathe Israelites enquired of YAHWEH, 'which tribe should be the first to attackthe Canaanites?'" (Judges 1:1)
Notice the language used ('first to attack the Canaanites'). The premise here is that no war of conquest took place in Joshua's time, and theIsraelites then proceed to a series of battles, all of which the book of Joshuarelates as taking place in his lifetime.
Nowhere is a really interesting example of a compounding series of contradictions. The book of Joshua tells us that he conquered Jerusalem (Joshua 12:10).The land was
"assigned to the Israelites." (Joshua 12:7)
The bookcontains internal inconsistencies for we are also told that,
"the men of Judah failed to drive out the Jebusites living in Jerusalem." (Joshua 15:63)
The passage is repeated again in (Judges 1:21), with the difference that this time itis the Benjamites who failed in the conquest. You can compare this with theaccount in the 11th chapter of Joshua, where we are told that Jebusites wereamong a listing of other peoples whom Joshua,
"cut down until they had not asingle survivor." (Joshua 11:8)"Their cities were destroyed," (Joshua 11:12)
and the peopleliving there were
"put to the sword, destroying them all".
The Israelites then
"plundered the cities," (Joshua 11:14)leaving alive only the animals, but
"everyliving soul they put to the sword until they had destroyed everyone. They didnot leave anyone alive." (Joshua 11:14)"Jericho fought against you, as did theJebusites, but I delivered them into your hands. I drove them out before you." (Joshua 24:11)
With the Israelites firmly in control of Jerusalem and the Jebusites wiped out, centuries later David could freely take
"Goliath's head to Jerusalem." (1 Samuel 17:54)
The only problem with this scenario is that it turns out that thegreat Israeli hero who had the honor of conquering Jerusalem and the Jebusiteswas David himself, after he had grown up and become King.
"David went toJerusalem to attack the Jebusites." (2 Samuel 5:6)
Now, depending on whichversion of events you (arbitrarily?) declare to be 'historical' either Joshuahad already wiped out those Jebusites,
'leaving no one alive' (Joshua 11:14)
or,immediately after his death,
"the men of Judah made an assault on Jerusalem andcaptured it; they put its people (the Jebusites) to the sword, and set fire tothe city." (Judges 1:8)

 

[Elungata]

Or, then again,
"the men of Judah failed to drive outthe Jebusites living in Jerusalem." (Joshua 15:63)
Or, then again, maybe theBenjamites attacked and failed. (Judges 1:21)
"The children of Israel dweltamong the Jebusites." (Judges 3:5)
In David'sday, the Jebusites, were apparently alive and well enough to mock him, saying,
"you'll never get in here! Even the blind and the lame could keepyou out!" (2 Samuel 5:6)
David did take the city, by sneaking under the wallsvia the water conduit to the center of town. The only problem with thisscenario is that it was King Hezekiah who constructed the water conduit,centuries after David's death. (2 Kings 20:20)I just bring all this to yourattention to point out the mind numbing complications, the compoundingcontradictions that begin to develop once you start pulling on some of theseBiblical threads by looking up a word in a concordance. It is not a matter ofpulling out a loose thread here or there, rather the whole garment unravels.
The bizarre 'editorial work' needs explanation. This certainly isn't 'history' but something else altogether, an important fact to keep in mind. In the caseof Jerusalem let us just say that multiple traditions existed and who would notwant to claim that it was their particular hero who took the city, even if itinvolved spinning some fanciful tall tales?
Also of interest are the compounding contradictions that surface if one looks up a word, like, say, "Ammonite," or, "Moabite." In the book of Joshua weread that,
"Moses allotted to the Gadites half of the country of the Ammonitesas far as Aroer, which is east of Rabbah." (Joshua 13:24)"Moses allotted to thetribe of Mannessah as their holding the lowlands of Moab east of the Jordan." (Joshua 13:31)
We find that after all this assignment of territory, that thebattles were finished, and,
"the land was now a peace." (Joshua 14:15)
In thebook of Deuteronomy, we find that Moses said,
"when you reach the territory ofthe Ammonites you must not harass them or provoke them to battle for I will notgive you any Ammonite land as a possession." (Deuteronomy 2:19)"You avoided theterritory of the Ammonites, thus fulfilling all that YAHWEH God hadcommanded." (Deuteronomy 2:37)"Do not harass Moab or contend with them in battle, for I will not give you any of their land for a possession." (Deuteronomy 2:9)
So either Moses parceled out the territory of theAmmonites and Moabites or he did not.
Continue pulling on this thread and other books startto unravel as well. In the 11th Chapter of Judges, Jephthah quarreled overland with the Ammonites. The Ammonites said,
"when the Israelites came up outof Egypt, they seized our land all the way from Arnon to the Jabbok and theJordan. Now return these lands peacefully." (Judges 11:13)
Jephthah replied,
"Israel took neither Moabite or Ammonite land. They sent envoys to the King ofEdom asking him to grant them passage through his country but he would notconsent. The king of Moab would also not agree, so Israel journeyed through thewilderness and skirted the territories of Edom and Moab." (Judges 11:15)
Yankon this thread and another rip appears in another book. Moses is portrayed asspeaking in Deuteronomy, and directly contradicts Jephthah.
"Edom granted uspassage, and so did the Moabites in Ar." (Deuteronomy 2:29)
As well the Book of Joshuatells us that Moses assigned both the land of the Ammonites and the Moabites tothe tribes, and that this land was parceled out by Joshua after the conquestwas complete. Jephthah then concludes,
"for three hundred years we have beenliving in Heshbon, Aroer, and Arnon. Why did you not retake them in all thattime?" (Judges 11:26)
This seems to be a retroactive admission that Israel didin fact take Ammonite land, as described in Joshua. Jephthah then attacked theAmmonites, making
'a great slaughter'. "Thus Ammon was conquered by Israel." (Judges 11:32)
(As YAHWEH had commanded Moses, and Joshua fulfilled, nodoubt, or then again, as Deuteronomy insists, maybe not.)
If we continue with account of what took place after Joshua died, as it is given in Judges, we find that after taking Jerusalem, Judah conquered the Negeb,the Shephelah, Hebron, Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, and Debir. Of course, itturns out that the Negev, the Shephalah, Hebron, and Debir were all attacked byJoshua during his lifetime. (Joshua 10:36-40)In Hebron,
"he left no survivor,destroying every living thing in it." (Joshua 10:37)
An identical passage is used todescribe the fate of Debir at Joshua's hand. (Joshua 10:39)As for the Negeb and theShephalah, Joshua,
"left no survivor. destroying everything that drew breath, asYAHWEH the God of Israel had commanded." (Joshua 10:40)
That all these places andpeople indeed survive to battle Judah after Joshua's death is surely the firstexample of so many others in the Bible of a mass raising from the dead

 

[Elungata]

Now as for Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, it turns out that Caleb accomplished this feat (Joshua 15:13)and in another of the internalinconsistencies in the book of Joshua it turns out that it was also Caleb whoconquered Debir. (Joshua 15:15)
The pattern continues to the end of the book of Joshua. In Judges we are told that after Joshua's death, Judah attacked Zephath (formerly called Hormah).( Judges 1:17-compare Joshua 12:14) They then took Gaza, Ashkelon, and Ekron. (Judges 1:18)According to (Joshua 10:40), Joshua took Gaza, killing their Kingat the same time as the countries mentioned in the previous paragraph, in asingle sweeping campaign culminating in complete military victory, and, at therisk of becoming redundant, I point out that,
"he left not a single survivor,destroying everything that drew breath." (Joshua 10:40)
Here we have another of thoseinteresting internal inconsistencies in the book of Joshua. In chapter 13 ofthe book, Joshua had become 'a very old man' and yet,
"much of the countryremains to be occupied." (Joshua 13:1)
Among these areas are, wouldn't you just knowit, "Gaza and Ekron." (Joshua 13:3)In Judges we are told that Joseph attacked Bethel( (Judges 1:22)- compare Joshua 12:16where once again Joshua gets the credit.
Mannessah, the book of Judges states, failed in their conquest of Taanach ( Judges 1:27- Joshua 17:11, they failed; Joshua 12:21, Joshua succeeded in takingTaanach); Dor ( Joshua 12:23, Joshua took Dor); Ibleam ( Joshua 12:23, he took theplace; Joshua 17:11, they failed); and Megiddo (ditto). So in these cases thefamiliar conflict is found between the Judges and Joshua account, and the Joshuaaccount is also internally inconsistent. Ephraim failed to take Gezer ( Judges 1:29-compare Joshua 12:10and Joshua 10:33. Joshua took the place leaving 'nosurvivors. He killed every living thing.' Then again, maybe not, for (Joshua 16:10)

 

[phill]

iISHMAEL,PUNJABU SINGH,ELUNGATA MME UHARIBU UZI KWA MABISHANO YENU YA DINI TUNATAKA JUA THE OTHER SIDE YA HIZO DINI ZENE ZA KIMAPOKEO, JIBU SWALI KAMA UZI UNAVYOSEMA RABI LEO BAEK NI NANI.MAMBO YAKUJA HAPA NAKUKOPI BIBLIA NA KULAANI HATUTAKI.

 

[Punjab Singh]

iISHMAEL,PUNJABU SINGH,ELUNGATA MME UHARIBU UZI KWA MABISHANO YENU YA DINI TUNATAKA JUA THE OTHER SIDE YA HIZO DINI ZENE ZA KIMAPOKEO, JIBU SWALI KAMA UZI UNAVYOSEMA RABI LEO BAEK NI NANI.MAMBO YAKUJA HAPA NAKUKOPI BIBLIA NA KULAANI HATUTAKI.

Shut up when your elders are talking! Let Eiyer close the discussion if he doesn't want to go on. Btw, where did you come from? Or are you a reinforcement conscript of Ishmael. Teh teh teh.

 

[Ishmael]

Shut up when your elders are talking! Let Eiyer close the discussion if he doesn't want to go on. Btw, where did you come from? Or are you a reinforcement conscript of Ishmael. Teh teh teh.

Dirk, You know that is wrong and your claims are lame.

 

[Ishmael]

iISHMAEL,PUNJABU SINGH,ELUNGATA MME UHARIBU UZI KWA MABISHANO YENU YA DINI TUNATAKA JUA THE OTHER SIDE YA HIZO DINI ZENE ZA KIMAPOKEO, JIBU SWALI KAMA UZI UNAVYOSEMA RABI LEO BAEK NI NANI.MAMBO YAKUJA HAPA NAKUKOPI BIBLIA NA KULAANI HATUTAKI.

phill, thank you for noticing that. I will correct myself and remain in the thread. I was involuntarily forced to annex writ of assistance after said person started preaching and spewing venomous luciferic lies, so, I was left with no other option but to dismiss his bunch of mock-upconcocted malarkey in its entirety.

 

[Elungata]

iISHMAEL,PUNJABU SINGH,ELUNGATA MME UHARIBU UZI KWA MABISHANO YENU YA DINI TUNATAKA JUA THE OTHER SIDE YA HIZO DINI ZENE ZA KIMAPOKEO, JIBU SWALI KAMA UZI UNAVYOSEMA RABI LEO BAEK NI NANI.MAMBO YAKUJA HAPA NAKUKOPI BIBLIA NA KULAANI HATUTAKI.

Uzi umeanza vizuri na tulichangia vizuri,tu tena mpaka mi nikawa nimesharidhika uzi uko sawa,nikauacha kwa wiki mbili mpaka jana nakutana nao,pastor ishmael ameshaugeuza umekua mhadhara,

 

[Ishmael]

In some Islamsects, Abraham's father is believed to have been an ignorant man, [ 17 ]who refused to listen to the constant advice of his wise son. In fact, the earliest story involving Abrahamin the Qur'anis his discussion with his father. The name given for this man in the Qur'an [ 18 ]is Āzar ( Arabic:آزر&#8206😉, though Arab genealogists related the name of Abraham's father as Tāraḥ ( Arabic:تارح&#8206😉. Even though the name is different in Islamic traditionto that in the Hebrew Bible, there is no doubt that the same figure is spoken of in both texts.[ citation needed]
Abraham's advice
[ 33

This is bunch of mock-upconcocted malarkey.

 

[Ishmael]

Uzi umeanza vizuri na tulichangia vizuri,tu tena mpaka mi nikawa nimesharidhika uzi uko sawa,nikauacha kwa wiki mbili mpaka jana nakutana nao,pastor ishmael ameshaugeuza umekua mhadhara,

Please, stop accusing me.

 

[Punjab Singh]

Yes you did after being out of options Ishmael. You resorted to slander and bringing things that are not relevant to the chain of discussion. And this is your usual habit in many topics.

 

[Punjab Singh]

Dirk, You know that is wrong and your claims are lame.

Call me names you like, bcz I know you don't have the calibre to reply constructively in kind.