Reasons why Jubilee Changed mind on BVR Kits

[KeMzalendo]

@ Timchoice, if you opened a link I provided earlier, you will notice that the Ghanaian electoral body actually allowed a manual back up for voter identification.
Secondly some of the most populous constituency are not entirely opposition strong holds. Guys in kiambu, embakasi should be complaining the most. The move from 500 to 700 is in keeping with budget provisions. There were certain polling stations in kajiado and narok that had 10-50 registered voters. Imagine a staffing of 10- 20 per station and imagine say 5000 more polling stations. Currently there are slightly over 40k polling stations if my memory serves me well. 40k stations with 700 each is well over 28m voters. The additional stations will also require more kits. Opening the tendering Pandora that is Kenyan procurement system.
As we speak, cord has stopped the procurement of ballot papers. Remember most businesses employ just in time inventory control. So one wonders, how early is early to order the papers.

 

[MK254]

usienda mbali bwana chambua by-elections za juzi kajiado na kuingineko walitumia satellite kama njia hakiki sehemu hakuna network coverage, Jubilee ni usanii wa kuogomba kushindwa na huku mwanya wa manual ambayo ndio njia ya wizi wameshiriki kuifunga!! nunua mashine sawa kutoka nchi kama germany na kwingineko. wananunua china na kuakikisha wamepata low quality readers like in 2013!

kwa sasa siungi mkono upande wowote. upande wa pili maandamano kabla koti na rais kutia sahihi kwa sheria is premature! lakini wakisubiri rais kwanza maandamano ni sawa na naye uhuru aamuru wanaoandamana wapewe ulinzi. Na wao wanaoyaandaa maandamano wakikishe hakuna upotovu wa nidhani na wizi!!!

For a minute tuache kuchangia kwa mihemuko ya vyama na milengo ya kisiasa, lets deal with facts. Obviously both side are politicians and we all know they are never genuine, personally I have never been convinced that there is any politician who has 100% the best interest of the country at heart, even president Uhuru, deep inside him there are elements of political selfishness.

Anyway back to the topic at hand, you can't cite a single county election as the reference and equate it to a full blown countrywide election with all 6 elective position being voted for. I have seen people citing Ghana and Nigeria, yet no one is providing a documented case study of the two countries proving that they relied 100% on technology throughout without any hitch. I have seen somewhere Zimbabweans citing Kenya's 2013 use of BVR as reference for success of the kits, yet we all know what happened.

I am cognizant of benefits derived from use of technologies, BVR technology is the best option, but lets stop pretending hypocritically that we can use them 100% without any form of back up. I have installed biometric gadgets on several organisations for the purpose of employee time and attendance management and can tell for a fact, they always have challenges. I gave examples of some of the challenges I do encounter when implementing those gadgets such as false rejection of users by biometric system which can be occasioned by dirty hands, scars on fingers, skin diseases and ageing, or even template problems.

In parliament, they have biometric devices for MPs to authenticate themselves before going in, and there are instances those same parliamentarians have had to be allowed manually to pass through due to the gadgetry failures.

Rigging will definitely happen, with or without technologies, there is not one single politician, both in government and opposition who has never participated in rigging and who won't mind some form of manipulation. This is Kenya, an African country. However, technology will go a long way in enabling efficacy and I support it with all my heart, but lets stop pretense and be ready for reality.

 

[IAfrika]

@ Timchoice, if you opened a link I provided earlier, you will notice that the Ghanaian electoral body actually allowed a manual back up for voter identification.
Secondly some of the most populous constituency are not entirely opposition strong holds. Guys in kiambu, embakasi should be complaining the most. The move from 500 to 700 is in keeping with budget provisions. There were certain polling stations in kajiado and narok that had 10-50 registered voters. Imagine a staffing of 10- 20 per station and imagine say 5000 more polling stations. Currently there are slightly over 40k polling stations if my memory serves me well. 40k stations with 700 each is well over 28m voters. The additional stations will also require more kits. Opening the tendering Pandora that is Kenyan procurement system.
As we speak, cord has stopped the procurement of ballot papers. Remember most businesses employ just in time inventory control. So one wonders, how early is early to order the papers.

KeMzalendo the 500 figure was expert advice and not a random figure like 700.

Polling stations are not the same as polling centers. Lets say Unity Primary School is being used as a polling center, IEBC will look at the number of registered voters there and determine the number of polling stations (basically classrooms)that are to be allocated there given that a polling station can only have a maximum of 500 now 700. It would ensure that no que is too long for women and young people that can't stand in or hate long ques. The process will be quick and will end in time for the earliest tallying and transmission of results reducing the chances of fraud in the middle of the night once the trend of the vote starts showing.

IEBC has well digitized data, I don't see a situation where they would allocate excess resources to polling centers.

Budget should not be a constraint given that we are having 6 ballots every 5 years.

 

[Sammuel999]

Why can't this shitty country borrow a leaf from GHANA?
The day Kenya will start conducting free and fair elections that's when all election violence will end, what is so hard in winning or being defeated with honesty?
Seems like honesty and straightforwardness aren't a virtue there!

Hata mimi this is my point exactly i will vote whoever But The day we vote and Get credible Results without Having machine Failure voter bribery or intimidation is the day Kenya will get peace ....

Irrespective of who ever wins

Probably Not more than 30% of all the voters will vote Raila

Probably Uhuru will receive 70% in all honesty and Vice versa but as soon as you start tampering with the system It all goes to shit!!

 

[Dhuks]

Politics in Kenya will always be toxic as long as Raila is a contender. Let's just agree to elect him president or put a bullet through his brains because as long as he is a contender propaganda will prevail, we are here arguing that 2013 elections were rigged?

 

[Dhuks]

US will manage for the next four years so there is no reason Kenya cannot manage for the next five years

 

[waltham]

For a minute tuache kuchangia kwa mihemuko ya vyama na milengo ya kisiasa, lets deal with facts. Obviously both side are politicians and we all know they are never genuine, personally I have never been convinced that there is any politician who has 100% the best interest of the country at heart, even president Uhuru, deep inside him there are elements of political selfishness.

Anyway back to the topic at hand, you can't cite a single county election as the reference and equate it to a full blown countrywide election with all 6 elective position being voted for. I have seen people citing Ghana and Nigeria, yet no one is providing a documented case study of the two countries proving that they relied 100% on technology throughout without any hitch. I have seen somewhere Zimbabweans citing Kenya's 2013 use of BVR as reference for success of the kits, yet we all know what happened.

I am cognizant of benefits derived from use of technologies, BVR technology is the best option, but lets stop pretending hypocritically that we can use them 100% without any form of back up. I have installed biometric gadgets on several organisations for the purpose of employee time and attendance management and can tell for a fact, they always have challenges. I gave examples of some of the challenges I do encounter when implementing those gadgets such as false rejection of users by biometric system which can be occasioned by dirty hands, scars on fingers, skin diseases and ageing, or even template problems.

In parliament, they have biometric devices for MPs to authenticate themselves before going in, and there are instances those same parliamentarians have had to be allowed manually to pass through due to the gadgetry failures.

Rigging will definitely happen, with or without technologies, there is not one single politician, both in government and opposition who has never participated in rigging and who won't mind some form of manipulation. This is Kenya, an African country. However, technology will go a long way in enabling efficacy and I support it with all my heart, but lets stop pretense and be ready for reality.

Note no where nimesema technology in full proof. What am saying for transmission of results there alternatives to manual which iebc has used without going manual time and time again. For identification of voters last election walikili kwa petition ya results za rais they had multiple voter registers. Watu watapata kutulia rohoni with iebc and manual register if there could be a clean manual register which I doubt!!! Clean manual register ni muhimu!

 

[Gitimu Peter]

Meanwhile even as we are busy discussing about the possible failure of BVR kits, its important to understand that even in the leading nations in the world (read- USA)...These things never work 100% without failure.

Those who read can look up a case in the US called Bush vs Gor, where the system failed, and other methods had to be used.

No need for loud uninformed noise.

 

[YoungD]

Sammuel999 it's rather unfortunate that a person like you who knows how to use the internet and all it's search power presumably still spews unsubstantiated nonsense day in day out. It's very clear from the iebc data for the 2013 elections the disparity between the presidential votes and all the other votes but you still hang on to the 2million 'ghost' votes nonsense. If you cannot substantiate then stop with the propaganda, you don't have to hang on to stupidity just because your preferred candidate does so.
Now having said that, I think you have not read the amendments passed by parliament. Posting opinion pieces by very corded members of the press instead of the amendments just shows how partisan you are. Please go read the amendments then decide for yourself if they make sense.

 

[waltham]

Sammuel999 it's rather unfortunate that a person like you who knows how to use the internet and all it's search power presumably still spews unsubstantiated nonsense day in day out. It's very clear from the iebc data for the 2013 elections the disparity between the presidential votes and all the other votes but you still hang on to the 2million 'ghost' votes nonsense. If you cannot substantiate then stop with the propaganda, you don't have to hang on to stupidity just because your preferred candidate does so.
Now having said that, I think you have not read the amendments passed by parliament. Posting opinion pieces by very corded members of the press instead of the amendments just shows how partisan you are. Please go read the amendments then decide for yourself if they make sense.

usimtukane mwenzako bure!! you are also taking sides na ni wazi wewe ni jubilee! its everybody right to be which ever side they choose. now lets reason everybody whose in power dont want to loose it. and whoever is outside will do anything to gain it!! thats what we have here. jubilee is using all tricks including parliament to retain power while cord is using all it marshal to get power!! The stupidity of both of them they dont want to talk to experts outside themselves and iebc. the have taken the role of expertise they both dont have. the moment they shut up and listen we move, for now its stupid jubilee and a maadamano drank cord!!

IEBC says House team ignored some of its recommendations

SATURDAY DECEMBER 24 2016
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As the acrimonious election amendment Bill awaits debate in the Senate on Wednesday, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) says Parliament's Justice and Legal Affairs Committee ignored some recommendations in a brief the commission had handed the committee.

“As we move forward, it is our desire that Parliament, through bipartisan approach, will ensure that we have a well-informed and robust legal framework going into the elections,” the brief by Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission states.

Already, the National Assembly has passed amendments to the election law in an acrimonious two-day special sittings and the Bill now heads to the Senate to consider the same.

Senate Speaker Ekwee Ethuro in a special Kenya Gazette dated December 23 recalled the members for a special sitting on Wednesday to discuss among others the Election Laws (Amendment) Bill.

But even as the Senate prepares for the special sitting, IEBC says that what they shared with the Justice committee is not what the National Assembly adopted in an acrimonious sitting in which Cord MPs walked out, thereby raising political temperatures during the Christmas festivities.

“I am totally confident that the Senate will exercise Solomonic Wisdom to save this country,” Mombasa Senator Hassan Omar said ahead of the special sitting.

A tabulation by IEBC shows that a number of their recommendations were either not considered or the amendments are not the same ones they wanted.

But Mr Omar said the Senate’s hands are tied to what they will debate.

“That would not happen now. The debate will be limited to what was passed in the National Assembly,” he said.

Three members of JLAC consisting of the chairman Samuel Chepkonga, the vice chairperson Priscilla Nyokabi and Ol-joro-orok MP John Waiganjo did not respond to Nation on the matters raised by IEBC.

NO BASIS

However, Majority Leader of the National Assembly Aden Duale said IEBC has no basis to claim that Parliament shortchanged them.

“IEBC presented a raft of amendments dealing with technology malfunction, voters per polling station and many others. But JLAC in their wisdom agreed that some of the proposals were not urgent and did not pose challenges to the 2017 General Election. The committee therefore picked the ones that were deemed urgent and presented the same to the National Assembly,” said Mr Duale.

The commission had asked JLAC to amend Section 2(e) by adding the word facial so as to read: “‘Biometric’” means unique identifiers or attributes including facial, fingerprints, hand geometry, earlobe geometry, retina and iris patterns, voice waves, DNA, and signatures”.

In the earlier law, the word facial had been omitted in the definition of biometric. But this recommendation was not considered.

The commission had also proposed that Section 6A(1) be amended by deleting the words “biometric data” before the words “by members” and replacing with “registration”.

According to the commission, this approach was meant to provide Kenyans alternative mechanisms such as SMS and web portal to confirm their registration details.

However, in IEBC’s analysis “The proposal to include alternative mechanism for verification of registration details (was) not considered.”

The National Assembly also retained the 120 days within which IEBC election technology is required to procure, test, verify and deploy technology. IEBC’s proposal was to cut down the number of days to 45.

For party nominations, the commission recommended “deleting the words 60 days before an election” to give it power to determine the nomination date through gazette notices.

 

[Sammuel999]

Politics in Kenya will always be toxic as long as Raila is a contender. Let's just agree to elect him president or put a bullet through his brains because as long as he is a contender propaganda will prevail, we are here arguing that 2013 elections were rigged?

There goes ur side ....and am done commenting politics ....

 

[Sammuel999]

waltham that is my point....They cant stand That someone else has some opposing views

They just want all Kenyans to be on the Same side Well am not...

That is all i will say from here on

Nitusi utakavyo lakini Nyanza Na western Na kisii pia zote ziko Kenya kama hamtaki Vote us out!!

 

[YoungD]

waltham that is my point....They cant stand That someone else has some opposing views

They just want all Kenyans to be on the Same side Well am not...

That is all i will say from here on

Nitusi utakavyo lakini Nyanza Na western Na kisii pia zote ziko Kenya kama hamtaki Vote us out!!

wacha kuingiza feelings, before you go, I would kindly ask you to substantiate your 2million 'ghost' voters. hiyo tu.

Now Electoral and Boundaries Commission IEBC releases final presidential vote results

 

[KeMzalendo]

Let me be on record as one of the ghost voters if that is what we are called. You see I voted for kidero and Uhuru only. I did not participate in the other 4 elections. So I guess according to the politicians the tally of presidential vote was higher than say that of the mp position. I guess many other Kenyans did the same.
What iebc should come out clearly and state is whether we are allowed to be selective in the positions we vote for or it has to be all six positions being contested.
For the record, I plan to only vote for the governor position. Out with kidero on with miguna (MANGA).I do not plan to vote in the other positions.
So all concerned prepare for at least one ghost voter. Me.

 

[Jambazi]

Rail Odinga uchanguzi huu kitanuka tena Kenya

 

[KeMzalendo]

Better still, they should separate the dates for the various positions. Most people care less for mp, senator, MCA and women rep. Emphasis is now on presidential and governor position. I don't even know the MCA in my area. Women rep position is a useless position in my view and senators do shit. Just wasting our taxes.

 

[Dhuks]

The truth is distorted to the point that there are no issues of substance discussed. Did we not have those ammendments just to assuage an individual? Aren't the same ammendments the point of controversy? Why do we like beating about the bush? Haven't the footsoldiers said 2017 they will not choose peace? Other than have chaos for the sake of a single individual why not have him as the leader? five years isn't alot of time that we have to do this time and again. Us watavumilia Trump, Tanzania Magufuli is just mark timing so lets just have our years of healing from bravado and have your man. We cant afford to stoke tribal sentiments every three years in perpetual campain mode

 

[Sammuel999]

wacha kuingiza feelings, before you go, I would kindly ask you to substantiate your 2million 'ghost' voters. hiyo tu.

Remember during the malindi by elections??
Jubilee MPS from Nairobi were caught on Camera with 1000 kshs Bundle notes Buying Malindi people ID to prevent them from Voting???

If some one Came as farvas Nairobi 1000km away to malindi Municipality with more than 200,000 shilling notes To Bribe less than 12000 people in the whole city Note to vote an ODM candidate in an ODM backyard

What will in All the heavens and Universe make me want to believe Jubilee will play Fair come 2017???

When its The whole country at stake??


If a whole President of Kenya went to Mombasa and told squatters "since they didnt vote for him hayuko hapo kuwa saidia " allegedly what in The universe will make me in all honesty Stand there and be glad to have a president?

If a president Can launch a 8mn fireworks show in KICC 3 days after a mother in Ukambani lost 5 babies due to Doctors strike that only requires 8bn kshs To bring doctors back but Nooo a christmas tree with Fireworks is much more important than That Cord Backyard mama suffering

If a president can right off a 2bn kshs Coffee Debt in Central kenya without media coverage whatsoever alafu 100mn kshs webuye Pan paper Inareportiwa mpaka na Turkish Anadolu agency

How does that make sense???


As i said Most of you here Will vote Uhuru simply because he is from your tribe .....mtapinga But you all know Its the truth both in Face value and its intruinsic meaning .....

Most of you will critisize Raila because Of an ordeal you had once you passed Near a Gor mahia demo after a game

Most of you here only pay attention to Raila when he calls for mass actions and Ctitisize him heavily but when He is not in the news Hamtataka kujua Nini kime Fanyika ama amesema nini....mtakuja tu kuleta ukero wenu wakati ametofautiana na Uhuru in the open....

And that us what is pathetic!!!

I believe Kuna Ghost voters

If Uhuru can Tetea Waiguru who openly stole money in Bags

Or Ruto who keeps Grabbing land And Teargassing 10yr olds

What will suddenly make them Saints On election Day???

Beats me with how people Reason

200bn kshs scandal
Chicken gate
Nys scandal
El adde attack
Westgate attack hata hatujui ni nani waliifanya
Garissa attack tooK GSU 12HRS to stop attack in 12 mins Yet Boinet na Nkaiserry walifika Garissa before 10am
Mpeketoni massacre- have you watched that video the whole 5hrs video of how innocent Kenyans we being chopped by alshabaab?? The militant even Had time To Stage Manage the whole massacre as in they directed people on how they should pose before their deaths...


Please !!! Dont start jubilee-ing me Here

Hatuja sahau Teachers Salary ambayo walinyamza mpaka ikapotea -that is the exact same thing wanafanya na Madaktari .....

So yes 2mn ghost Voters cant be hard to acquire Considering Someones sister can in all Modesty steal sick People Funds from the ministry of Health

I dont see how they will now draw a line on a ghost voter scheme!!

 

[IAfrika]

We should definitely have an elections 2017 sticky thread for people to banter properly. Someone create it, I can't.

 

[Sammuel999]

We should definitely have an elections 2017 sticky thread for people to banter properly. Someone create it, I can't.

Well if people cant Agree that not everyone holds the same views and idea as they hold we wont even have a kenya thread after that sticky!!