Nyani Ngabu
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Pumbavu mkubwa wewe. Kama kuua binadamu ni kosa kwa nini kutoa mimba kuwe rukhsa? Kwani unachotoa siyo binadamu? Mshenzi mkubwa wewe
Serikali ya Tanzania yaridhia utoaji mimba
Serikali ya Tanzania yaridhia utoaji mimba
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Pumbavu mkubwa wewe. Kama kuua binadamu ni kosa kwa nini kutoa mimba kuwe rukhsa? Kwani unachotoa siyo binadamu? Mshenzi mkubwa wewe
...ajabu kabisa,vipi ulikwenda DC kwa teabaggers na biathers wenzako kupinga Health care? yaani wewe ni wa kuonea huruma tuu na shukuru Dems la sivyo leo ungekuwa second rate citizen by law!
Nyani Ngabu
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You are worse and lower than a pig!!
..wewe endelea kuamini anachoamini yule mwendawazimu wako Rush na George Bush!
Fundi Mchundo
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Talking comes easy. How many of us are willing to adopt? When was the last time you visited an orphanage? Do you think all pregnancies are planned? What about victims of rape? What about underage kids who don't know any better? When did you start messing with girls? Do you know the destitution there is in our country? When was the last time you helped a single mother out? Without expecting any reward.
In another thread there is a story of kids being jailed ( and our jails make Oz look like a walk in the park) for not fingering their baby daddies. Now which smart kid is going to carry a child to term if that is the result?
My God is a just God. No way he/she is going to send me to Hell. On the other hand there is a specially painfull spot reseved for all hypocrites.
Don't tell me that you also oppose the death penalty?
Amandla........
Nyani Ngabu
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I know I am and I am going to adopt in the near future. What about you?
I do a lot of volunteer work involving orphaned children through my church. You?
No but so what?
I'd prefer adoption than killing but you prefer killing to adoption. Stunning!!
Coz they don't know any better they shouldn't be screwing. This is where good parenting comes in.
This is personal and I'll keep it to myself.
No matter how you spin it, slice and dice it, at the end of the day abortion is wrong.
I oppose the death penalty because it is also murder.
Fundi Mchundo
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Not the orphanage in Obama land! back home in Bongo. One thing though, never figured you for a choir boy! Appreciate and respectyour stand, especially when you extend it to those on death row.
I am still pro-abortion, though. And oppose the death penalty. Crazy, isn't it?
Amandla.........
Nyani Ngabu
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Even back home my folks have a already adopted. So I have a sibling who was adopted and I'm gonna follow in their footsteps
Hahahahaa..well, what can I say....I am many things..
Beyond crazy! I have never met anyone who proclaims to be "pro-abortion". At least they say they are pro choice. But "pro-abortion"....damn bro....that's pretty bad
Fundi Mchundo
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Good for you. Just don't stop at one. There are plenty of kids wanting out there.
I know. I guess you were right and I am really destined for that hot and scary place! I should have probably said pro-choice. Nah!
Amandla.......
Waungwana,
Samahani kidogo wakuu zangu, nataka kuinunua mada maanake naona sasa mnakwenda kusiko.. imekuwa taabu kusoma matusi zaidi ya hoja..
Hivi niulize kitu kimoja.. hii sheria imepitishwa kwa sababu ni haki ya wanawake wote au wa wapi?..Je, wanawake wetu wameulizwa au imechukuliwa tu ni haki kwa sababu nchi za magharibni wamesema hivyo pasipo sisi kuangalia WATU na MAZINGIRA yetu..
Wakuu zangu ni muhimu sana tukumbuke kwamba hata sisi (WATU) pamoja na umaskini wetu tuna mila, tamaduni na desturi zenye miiko na maadili ambayo zinaijenga jumuiya yetu kama Watanzania...Na ni muhimu sana tuelewe hivyo kwanza kabla hajujahukumu kwani kwa kutoelewa mila na desturi za watu, ndio maana tunawalaani wanawake wa kiislaam kuvaa nguo ndefu na hijabu wakati hiyo ni culture ya watu wa Middle East kabla hata ya sheria hiyo kuwa ndani ya Uislaam..isipokuwa dini imesisitiza culture hiyo iendelezwe kwa kuelewa umuhimu wa mila hiyo ktk jumuiya yao. Utakuta mwanamke wa Kitanzania akipinga vazi hilo kwa sababu ambazo hajijengi kwani yeye mwenyewe huvaa khanga na vitenge ku cover area zile zile na akajiona kachomoka..
Hivyo utakuta Wayahudi, wakristu na waislaam waishio nchi hizo kuvaa nguo hizo hata kama sheria hiyo isingekuwepo. Nini hofu ya serikali ya nchi za kiarabu na hasa kuondoka kwa mila hiyo ni kwamba unaporuhusu kuondoka kwa sheria kama hiyo ua kijadi unakaribisha culture nyingine. Ni lazima kuna reprecement, na mara zote hutazamwa faida ya mila inayokaribishwa kutengua mbovu, lakini sii busara kuondosha mila kwa sababu tu nchi za magharibi zinafanya hivyo hali athari zake ni kubwa na mbaya kuliko ile ya asili.
Hivyo nirudi kwenye mada hii, sisi Watanzania swala la utoaji mimba ni haramu toka zamani kabla hata dini hazijafika.. Mume anayemweka mimba binti huadhibiwa kwa huozeshwa kwa nguvu..rape case nadhani ilikuwa ilikuwa kifo hivyo ukitazama utunzi wa sheria zetu pamoja na kwamba hazikuwa nzuri ilikuwa ni KUMLINDA mwanamke..Na mara zote sheria hutungwa KULINDA victims na kuadhibu wale wanaokiuka sheria hizo lakini kuhalalishi maovu hakuwezi kuwalinda wanawake bali kuwaongezea zaidi matatizo yanapohalalishwa..
Unapohalalisha Uotaji mimba ni ni sawa na kuwaambia wanaume (sii wanawake) kuwa mchezo wa kutia mimba wasichana wadogo, ku rape wanawake na kadhlika ni halali kwani ufumbuzi wa uovu huu unatolewa hoispital. Na ushahidi unaonyesha wazi kwamba nchi zote zinazoruhusu utoaji mimba zina ongezeko kubwa la uotaji mimba kila mwaka kuliko nchi zinazopinga sheria. Rape case na uasherati huongezeka lakini ni case chache sana hufikishwa mahakamani kwa sababu ufumbuzi wa hospital huificha siri kubwa..Ni rahisi kwa mwanamke kwenda kutoa mimba hospital akaficha yaliyotokea kuliko kuanika achafu uliotendeka, Hivyo mfumo mzima wa ruksa hii huwafuga wabakaji wakaishi baina yetu bila kuadhibiwa.
Ni muhimu kwetu kutambua kwamba mimba yoyote isiyotakiwa ni mimba iliyopatikana kwa uharamu fulani, hivyo yupo mwanamme mwenye makosa na anatakiwa kufikishwa mbele ya sheria ili kuwalinda wanawake ili kumwondoa mhalifu ktk society.
Kwa hiyo sheria kama hii ni lazima iambatane na vikwazo ambayo vitaifanya sheria hii kuwa almost impossible kwa mhalifu kushiriki au kuendelea na vitendo hivi. Ruksa ya kutoa mimba haipunguzi matatizo yanayotokana na mimba hizo isipokuwa inaongeza tatizo la mimba sizizotakiwa na pia kuondoa kabisa mila na desturi zetu zilizotujenga toka zamani..
Binafsi naamini kabisa kwamba mimba hutungwa kwa matakwa yetu, cases za rape ni chache sana kiasi kwamba hatuwezi kuhalalisha utoaji mimba isipokuwa kwa wale tu walioathirika, na Hospital itatumika kama sehemu ya kuponya (kuondoa mimba) cases ambazo zinakubalika ktk jumuiya yetu...
Samahani kidogo wakuu zangu, nataka kuinunua mada maanake naona sasa mnakwenda kusiko.. imekuwa taabu kusoma matusi zaidi ya hoja..
Hivi niulize kitu kimoja.. hii sheria imepitishwa kwa sababu ni haki ya wanawake wote au wa wapi?..Je, wanawake wetu wameulizwa au imechukuliwa tu ni haki kwa sababu nchi za magharibni wamesema hivyo pasipo sisi kuangalia WATU na MAZINGIRA yetu..
Wakuu zangu ni muhimu sana tukumbuke kwamba hata sisi (WATU) pamoja na umaskini wetu tuna mila, tamaduni na desturi zenye miiko na maadili ambayo zinaijenga jumuiya yetu kama Watanzania...Na ni muhimu sana tuelewe hivyo kwanza kabla hajujahukumu kwani kwa kutoelewa mila na desturi za watu, ndio maana tunawalaani wanawake wa kiislaam kuvaa nguo ndefu na hijabu wakati hiyo ni culture ya watu wa Middle East kabla hata ya sheria hiyo kuwa ndani ya Uislaam..isipokuwa dini imesisitiza culture hiyo iendelezwe kwa kuelewa umuhimu wa mila hiyo ktk jumuiya yao. Utakuta mwanamke wa Kitanzania akipinga vazi hilo kwa sababu ambazo hajijengi kwani yeye mwenyewe huvaa khanga na vitenge ku cover area zile zile na akajiona kachomoka..
Hivyo utakuta Wayahudi, wakristu na waislaam waishio nchi hizo kuvaa nguo hizo hata kama sheria hiyo isingekuwepo. Nini hofu ya serikali ya nchi za kiarabu na hasa kuondoka kwa mila hiyo ni kwamba unaporuhusu kuondoka kwa sheria kama hiyo ua kijadi unakaribisha culture nyingine. Ni lazima kuna reprecement, na mara zote hutazamwa faida ya mila inayokaribishwa kutengua mbovu, lakini sii busara kuondosha mila kwa sababu tu nchi za magharibi zinafanya hivyo hali athari zake ni kubwa na mbaya kuliko ile ya asili.
Hivyo nirudi kwenye mada hii, sisi Watanzania swala la utoaji mimba ni haramu toka zamani kabla hata dini hazijafika.. Mume anayemweka mimba binti huadhibiwa kwa huozeshwa kwa nguvu..rape case nadhani ilikuwa ilikuwa kifo hivyo ukitazama utunzi wa sheria zetu pamoja na kwamba hazikuwa nzuri ilikuwa ni KUMLINDA mwanamke..Na mara zote sheria hutungwa KULINDA victims na kuadhibu wale wanaokiuka sheria hizo lakini kuhalalishi maovu hakuwezi kuwalinda wanawake bali kuwaongezea zaidi matatizo yanapohalalishwa..
Unapohalalisha Uotaji mimba ni ni sawa na kuwaambia wanaume (sii wanawake) kuwa mchezo wa kutia mimba wasichana wadogo, ku rape wanawake na kadhlika ni halali kwani ufumbuzi wa uovu huu unatolewa hoispital. Na ushahidi unaonyesha wazi kwamba nchi zote zinazoruhusu utoaji mimba zina ongezeko kubwa la uotaji mimba kila mwaka kuliko nchi zinazopinga sheria. Rape case na uasherati huongezeka lakini ni case chache sana hufikishwa mahakamani kwa sababu ufumbuzi wa hospital huificha siri kubwa..Ni rahisi kwa mwanamke kwenda kutoa mimba hospital akaficha yaliyotokea kuliko kuanika achafu uliotendeka, Hivyo mfumo mzima wa ruksa hii huwafuga wabakaji wakaishi baina yetu bila kuadhibiwa.
Ni muhimu kwetu kutambua kwamba mimba yoyote isiyotakiwa ni mimba iliyopatikana kwa uharamu fulani, hivyo yupo mwanamme mwenye makosa na anatakiwa kufikishwa mbele ya sheria ili kuwalinda wanawake ili kumwondoa mhalifu ktk society.
Kwa hiyo sheria kama hii ni lazima iambatane na vikwazo ambayo vitaifanya sheria hii kuwa almost impossible kwa mhalifu kushiriki au kuendelea na vitendo hivi. Ruksa ya kutoa mimba haipunguzi matatizo yanayotokana na mimba hizo isipokuwa inaongeza tatizo la mimba sizizotakiwa na pia kuondoa kabisa mila na desturi zetu zilizotujenga toka zamani..
Binafsi naamini kabisa kwamba mimba hutungwa kwa matakwa yetu, cases za rape ni chache sana kiasi kwamba hatuwezi kuhalalisha utoaji mimba isipokuwa kwa wale tu walioathirika, na Hospital itatumika kama sehemu ya kuponya (kuondoa mimba) cases ambazo zinakubalika ktk jumuiya yetu...
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