SGR Kenya sasa rasmi ni "Big white Elephant", Maneno ya " Ndii yatimia.

[joto la jiwe]

I admire your optimism my fellow Tanzanian. Ila naomba tuangalie na tuukubali ukweli.
Wanaonitukana humu wanasahau ukweli huu:
1. Mimi ni Mtanzania na ningependa watoto wangu wazeeke wakiwa Watanzania.
2. Najua Magufuli leo hii ni Rais wa nchi hii (it doesn't matter nilimpigia kura au la, it doesn't matter whether alishinda kihalali au la). Na anachokifanya kita-impact wajukuu zangu ambao bado ningependa wabaki kuwa Watanzania na wajisikie na kuona fahari ya wao kuitwa na kujitambulisha kuwa ni Watanzania.

Ninajua na ninaamini 120% (kama Watanzania wenzangu wanavyoamini) kuwa ANAKOSEA kwenye mengi. Lakini haina maana kuwa alichokosea na anachokosea HAKIREKEBISHIKI kama tukiwahi. Mnaomsifu and I DARE SAY KINAFIKI (Kwa kuwa tu mnajaza matumbo yenu) MNAUA VIZAZI VIJAVYO VIKIWEMO VYENU WENYEWE

Kosa unalolifanya wewe ni kwamba unamtazamo mfupi Sana, wewe unazungumzia faida, nani kakuambia tunajenga SGR ili kupata faida?, hivi nikuulize swali, hii barabara ya Dar - Dodoma- Mwanza tuliyojenga, tumepata faida kiasi gani?. Kwasababu tunaputisha MAGARI yetu bure kabla na baada ya kuweka Lami, hakuna tozo yoyote mpya iliyoongezwa ili kulipia gharama ya hiyo Lami, je Serikali haikupaswa kujenga hiyo barabara kwasababu inapata hasara?.

 

[komora096]

joto la jiwe link inasema 2018/2019 deni limepanda kutoka 49tr to 51 tr....bwahahaaa...ishu ya 2013 hapa isiingie kabisa....mimi nafuata facts...deni la tanzania limeongezeka...nmenukuu vizuri sana hii taarifa...na wala hakuja tajwa 2013...kwanza kikwete anahusika vipi na deni la kupanda 2018/2019...bwahahaaaa...msukule hyoooo...kw mitusi hamjambo

 

[Matunda _Kuniga]

I admire your optimism my fellow Tanzanian. Ila naomba tuangalie na tuukubali ukweli.
Wanaonitukana humu wanasahau ukweli huu:
1. Mimi ni Mtanzania na ningependa watoto wangu wazeeke wakiwa Watanzania.
2. Najua Magufuli leo hii ni Rais wa nchi hii (it doesn't matter nilimpigia kura au la, it doesn't matter whether alishinda kihalali au la). Na anachokifanya kita-impact wajukuu zangu ambao bado ningependa wabaki kuwa Watanzania na wajisikie na kuona fahari ya wao kuitwa na kujitambulisha kuwa ni Watanzania.

Ninajua na ninaamini 120% (kama Watanzania wenzangu wanavyoamini) kuwa ANAKOSEA kwenye mengi. Lakini haina maana kuwa alichokosea na anachokosea HAKIREKEBISHIKI kama tukiwahi. Mnaomsifu and I DARE SAY KINAFIKI (Kwa kuwa tu mnajaza matumbo yenu) MNAUA VIZAZI VIJAVYO VIKIWEMO VYENU WENYEWE

I admire your optimism my fellow Tanzanian. Ila naomba tuangalie na tuukubali ukweli.
Wanaonitukana humu wanasahau ukweli huu:
1. Mimi ni Mtanzania na ningependa watoto wangu wazeeke wakiwa Watanzania.
2. Najua Magufuli leo hii ni Rais wa nchi hii (it doesn't matter nilimpigia kura au la, it doesn't matter whether alishinda kihalali au la). Na anachokifanya kita-impact wajukuu zangu ambao bado ningependa wabaki kuwa Watanzania na wajisikie na kuona fahari ya wao kuitwa na kujitambulisha kuwa ni Watanzania.

Ninajua na ninaamini 120% (kama Watanzania wenzangu wanavyoamini) kuwa ANAKOSEA kwenye mengi. Lakini haina maana kuwa alichokosea na anachokosea HAKIREKEBISHIKI kama tukiwahi. Mnaomsifu and I DARE SAY KINAFIKI (Kwa kuwa tu mnajaza matumbo yenu) MNAUA VIZAZI VIJAVYO VIKIWEMO VYENU WENYEWE

Brother Magu sio malaika na hata sasa kuna watu wanamchukia kwasababu kabana hakuna wizi wa kutupwa kila nikikumbuka Jakaya alivyoambiwa dhaifu kisa kuiachia democrasia ,Tumuache Magu na kwa mapungufu aliyonayo yaweza kuwa ni personal attack za upande wa pili ila kiutendaji Mimi ninampa 120% tuache ajenge nidhani na uwajibikaji tulizoea Waziri anakaa miaka kumi haguswi Leo wako wapi ?

 

[komora096]

joto la jiwe..kwanza vp hyo feasibility study ya sgr jiwe...umeenda kw wizara ukaonyeshwa...manake naona umekwepa hii mada nlipokuuliza...

 

[coodip1]

Is the feasibility study can be available in a public domain?

Labda nichangie hapa kama mnasema hakuna feasibility study on Tz SGR basi muwe tayari kukubali kwamba serikali haijakopa kujenga SGR tuache double standard kwenye discussion. Hakuna bank yoyote itakayoweza kutoa mkopo bila feasibility study. Good example China denied Kenya loan for the sgr because there is no feasibility study in place.

 

[joto la jiwe]

joto la jiwe link inasema 2018/2019 deni limepanda kutoka 49tr to 51 tr....bwahahaaa...ishu ya 2013 hapa isiingie kabisa....mimi nafuata facts...deni la tanzania limeongezeka...nmenukuu vizuri sana hii taarifa...na wala hakuja tajwa 2013...kwanza kikwete anahusika vipi na deni la kupanda 2018/2019...bwahahaaaa...msukule hyoooo...kw mitusi hamjambo

Mimi ninazungumzia kuhusu terminal 3, wewe unazungumzia deni la taifa. Sisi tunasema tunajenga SGR kwa pesa yetu, hatuja sema katika sector zingine hatukopi, ila katika miradi mikubwa inayohitaji pesa nyingi, hiyo hatukopi. Tofauti na Kenya, ninyi mnakopa kila mradi, midogo na mikubwa, yote mnakopa.

 

[coodip1]

Nani aliyesema Terminal 3 ni pesa ya ndani?, acha kujiliwaza. Terminal three ni mradi ulioanzishwa na Kikwete, yeye alikua anakopa kila kitu, alikua kiongozi dhahifu sana kama Uhuru Kenyatta. Miradi tunayotumia pesa yetu ni 1) SGR, 2) Rufiji hydroelectricity 3)Super high way from Dar to Kibaha, weka records zako vizuri

Magifuli alikuja kuongezea hela mradi huu ambapo T3 phase two imejengwa kwa pesa za ndani ili kuongeza capacity by 2.5 million from initial capacity of 3.5 m built on phase one.

 

[coodip1]

Si nilikuambia hawa watu hata feasibility study hawaijui? Wameleta Expression of Interest (tena iliyoandaliwa kwa ajili ya Rwanda) kuwa ndio feasibility study ya SGR Tanzania. Nilijua kuwa tuna matatizo, but even then I didn't realize that our problems are much serious than I thought. Usikute hawa ndio watendaji wa serikali hii.

NCHI IMEANGAMIA!

Hiyo EOI covers the whole line from DSM to Rusumo via Isaka

 

[joto la jiwe]

Wakishindwa wanatukana watu. Huyo ibilisi amenitukana hapo juu hawezi kula ban coz anaifanyia ccm kazi. Mkenya aki retaliate anapigwa ban ya mwaka.
Nguvu zote hizi kutetea 'dead state ' halafu wanalipwa tsh 30000.
side hustle Ali disclose wanatom.bwa haga. Wengi wao ni mashoga

Cool down nyanyangu

 

[komora096]

joto la jiwe...katika hhyo taarifa pia inasema uwanja wa jnia terminal 3 pia ipo katika hyo list ya ongezeko la deni....bwahahaa...yani hutaki ukwel leo...wuhuhuuuu!!

sgr pesa za ndani
kibaha pesa za ndani
hzo pesa za madeni zimetumika kufanya kitu gani....bwahaha...au ni miradi hewa...ccm hoyeeeee

 

[Ummayed]

Kenya’s big SGR dream begins to fizzle out as losses mount

Kenya’s big SGR dream begins to fizzle out as losses mount

www-thecitizen-co-tz.cdn.ampproject.org

Kuna msemo maarufu usemao kwamba," Namba hazidanganyi". Hesabu za mapato na matumizi yanaonyesha kwamba, SGR ya Kenya haina uwezo wa kuzalisha hata gharama za uendeshaji kwa mwaka ambayo kwa sasa ni Kshs 12B. Hii ni kutokana na ukweli kwamba imetengeneza 5.8B ndani ya kipindi cha zaidi mwaka mmoja kiasi ambacho ni chini ya 50% ya gharama za uendeshaji. Jambo la kuogopesha zaidi ni kwamba trains zaidi ya 12 kwa siku zimekua zikifanya kazi.

David Ndii, alishawahi kuekeza Mara nyingi sana kuhusu " viability & profitability " ya huu mradi na alishauri kwamba badala ya kujenga reli mpya, ni bora kukopa pesa kidogo ili kufufua reli ya zamani. Maneno yake yametimia:
1) SGR imesababisha Kenya kuwa na deni kubwa linalolipwa na kodi ya wananchi
2) SGR haiwezi kujiendesha, jambo linalolazimisha serikali kutoa pesa za wananchi ili kugharamia gharama za uendeshaji, mwaka Jana pekee serikali ilitoa 6.2B kufikia hasara.
3) Sasa hivi ndio serikali imeona umuhimu wa kufufua reli ya zamani ili kuunganisha na SGR, jambo ambalo litaongeza sana gharama za uendeshaji na usafirishaji kutokana na gharama za kushusha na kupandisha pale Naivasha.

Dah asee ila ni nchi iliyoendelea hp EAC hawana tabu.watalipa maden.
Bora tz ilivyoboresha metre gauge mapema na wala hailet hasara na ikitimia sgr ya kwetu tz haitaleta hasara km ya hawa wakikuyu.
Nimeamin TRC ni reli nguli EAC na kati

 

[Ummayed]

It is even more scary to Tanzania. Kumbuka production ya Kenya ni more than thrice ya Tanzania which in turn means wana mizigo mingi zaidi yetu. So if that is the case with their SGR, what will happen to ours?

Tanzania ktk upande wa reli wako vzuri usilinganishe na utumbo wa wakikuyu km metre gauge tu waliiua ndio wanataka ifufua wangeweza iendesha standard gauge ?
Tz upande wa railway ni nguli hp EA wala hatutaleta hasara km hao jamaa

 

[Ummayed]

Hahahahaha, this is insane thinking, Kenya imports more than it exports, second, Tanzania haijakopa kwahiyo haina deni lolote la kulipa, hivyo tutahitaji tu pesa ya kugharamia uendeshaji na *repair*, third, electric trains running costs are 70% cheaper than diesel ones.

Cha kuongezea tz railway ni nguli Africa mashariki na kati na tuna experience kubwa ya uendeshaji.
Ht TRC ilipofirisiwa na wahind ilichukua 2 years kwa sis tz kuisimamisha tena.na huu mwaka wa tatu.inaleta faida kisede.
Asa hao kenya km metre gauge ilitakiwa waifufue wangeweza kuiendesha sgr.watulie tuu

 

[chizo89]

Hahahahaha, this is insane thinking, Kenya imports more than it exports, second, Tanzania haijakopa kwahiyo haina deni lolote la kulipa, hivyo tutahitaji tu pesa ya kugharamia uendeshaji na *repair*, third, electric trains running costs are 70% cheaper than diesel ones.

Are you sure of what your saying? Our balance of payments is not normal we can face same effects? Moreover its time to learn from our neighbors. The fear is that we can start paying our debt before the project take off

 

[Ummayed]

I started using my brain probably before you were born. For your information; am self-employed and am an employer. I know what the business world demands. It is stupidity thinking that an asset that was acquired on loan is always more expensive to operate than the one acquired otherwise. Ever heard of opportunity and notional costs? Kuna wakati kuwa na nyumba yako mwenyewe ni more expensive operation-wise than renting.

Duh kaka aah hapa sasa hamna umezidisha utakua unaleta hasara kaxn ww km ndio hv

 

[joto la jiwe]

Are you sure of what your saying? Our balance of payments is not normal we can face same effects? Moreover its time to learn from our neighbors. The fear is that we can start paying our debt before the project take off

Hata sijakuekewa ubachozungumzsma, kulipa deni lipi kabla mradi haujaanza?, unazungumzia mradi upi?

 

[Ummayed]

Wewe hueleweki, sasa kama production ya Kenya ni nyingi lakini hawa export hicho wanachozalisha, kinauhusiano gani na SGR kupata mizigo ya kubeba?

Sasa hivi 20% ya mizigo ya Uganda inapitia bandari ya Dar, kukamilika kwa SGR ya Tanzania hadi Mwanza, itafanya gharama za usafirija ya mizigo ya Uganda kupitia Dar, kuwa 50% cheaper kuliko kupitisha Mombasa, kumbuka WFP tayari wsmeshahamisha mizigo yao iliyokua inapitia Mombasa kwenda Uganda na South Sudan, sasa hivi wanapitishia bandari ya Dar hadi Mwanza baada ya kuboresha Huduma za reli ya kati.

Kitendo cha SGR ya Kenya kuwa ya
1)Diesel
2)Kujengwa kwa gharama kubwa sana kwa kilometer
3)Kuishia Naivasha
4)Kujengwa kwa mkopo wenye riba kubwa

Kunaifanya isiweze kufanya biashara ya kiyshindani, hata haiwezi kushindana na usafiri wa malori, achilia mbali kushindana na electric train ambayo haina deni la kulipa.

Duh kumbe sgr yao ya diesel hawa sio bullet trains za umeme

 

[joto la jiwe]

joto la jiwe...katika hhyo taarifa pia inasema uwanja wa jnia terminal 3 pia ipo katika hyo list ya ongezeko la deni....bwahahaa...yani hutaki ukwel leo...wuhuhuuuu!!

sgr pesa za ndani
kibaha pesa za ndani
hzo pesa za madeni zimetumika kufanya kitu gani....bwahaha...au ni miradi hewa...ccm hoyeeeee

Mradi mwengine huo tunatumia pesa ya ndani. Hahahahaha.

 

[chizo89]

Hata sijakuekewa ubachozungumzsma, kulipa deni lipi kabla mradi haujaanza?, unazungumzia mradi upi?

Tuna mikopo ktk miradi yetu

 

[joto la jiwe]

Tuna mikopo ktk miradi yetu

Basi subiri tutakapoanza kulipa, ila sisi tunajua SGR, Rufiji hydroelectricity, Dar- Kibaha Super highway na huu
Hatujakopa.