Should Kenya and Tanzania merge?

Should Kenya and Tanzania merge?

Mazbout,

Mshauri Kibaki & CO atumie MAENDELEO KWA WOTE PROGRAMME kuwafikia watu walio nje ya Nairobi. Kilio huanza kwa mfiwa kabla ya kufika kwa majirani. Naomba kuuliza swali hivi Turkana na maeneo mengine ya kaskazini yapo Kenya?
 
@"The Great"

Turkana, Turkana.. is that the only place you know in Kenya?

Its like in Tanzania there is no place which is left behind in dvpment. I have been in an area near the Pare mountains(cant recall the exact name, I think Toloha or somethin), and these people can only be fairly compared with the khoisan.. From illetracy to the levels of poverty.

Keep your Tanzania we keep our Kenya, you have more probs to worry about. I wish the people of Zenji wake up one day and demand their rights, their country and all.
 
@"The Great"

Mukulu Mugo Mkuu,

Awali ya yote, kamata 5.

Naona you are looking down on Mungiki. Muzee take easy, kama ulikuwa hujui unaongea na wakenye wasojua nchi yao. Niwapa factsheet kuwa over 60% ya uchumi wao upo mikononi mwa wageni, wamefume kichizi.

Ila nakuruhusu mukulu wangu endelea 'kuwabonyenza' hawa 'hasira za mkizi', wataelewa somo tu.
 
Smatta

If I understand your critics properly, nobody has doubt with the superiority of your CBD compared to that of Bongo.

However, the issue here is the way your cake is being distributed? Despite the nice places you are citing in Nairobi. The question is, what about other places such as Ramu, Moyale, Lokichokio, Lamu, etc? Are they the same? After all have you ever visited these places?

In Bongo you can drive from Dar to Mbeya (800km), Dar to Mwanza ( km), Dar to Mtwara (km), etc. These places are thousands of kilometres away from Dar Es Salaam but still people are ok.

Apart from Nairobi to Mombasa (500km), which other longer distance from Nairobi you can find life in Kenya? If I'm not mistaken, however, I stand to be corrected; the radius of your accessibility with roads is not more than 500 km from Nairobi.

Njimba
 
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Just look around you and tell me kama hata CBD ya Bongo inatosha compared na mahali upo?? All African Council of Churches, angalia around mkuu.

Kwi kwi kwi kwi!!!!! Kuwa karibu na AACC/Safaricom House doesn't mean I stay at AACC. Anyway, I stay in Eastleigh.

On serious note, Baadhi yenu ninyi mlio jirani zetu mnahitaji kubadilika, Kiburi will not take you anywhere. Ukisoma yanayoandikwa na baadhi ya majirani kutoka Kenya. Unaweza fikiria Kenya(Nairobi) ni kama New York City, teh! teh! teh!
 
You are trying to argue with a person who has seen much of TZ, UG and Kenya. ati 500 kms, what are you smoking ndugu?
wataka kutuambia hapa, ati Dar is equally developed with Moshi? Usifanye nicheke usishindane na ndovu kunya kaka.
 
Well guys,truth to be told I am not a very good fun of Kenyans at all.And I have been to Kenya several times.Places like Nanyuki,Lamu,Mombasa and their heaven Nairobi.Maybe it might be true that Kenya became capitalist a bit earlier before us,but that is about to change now.If you just look at the pace at which Tanzania has been moving with for the past 10 year or so is very encouraging unlike our "brothers" Kenyans,whom truth to be told have been doing badly lately both,politically and economically.

Few years back,maybe in the late 80's Kenya was so ahead of other East Africans countries.And it was during those times that they built this thing with being better off than their neighbours.And well we never had such discussions like this,because things were too obvious.But now we can even compare the two countries because we are now catching up,very fast.

I don't have to talk about tourism in Bongo in the past and now or manufacturing sector,you google it.Look at our budgets too.About Nairobi.Everything is in Nairobi,Mombasa is not even good enough.It is very unorganized though they have good beautiful spots too.How can you have the world's biggest slum in the middle of the so called Jo'burg?It does not make any sense.Look at our cities,Dar,Mwanza,Arusha.I have not seen anything close to that in Kenya.They are beautiful in their own ways.Not every city is like London by the way.

But one thing is for sure,if we try to settle our differences,and work together somehow,not necessarily in a federation form we can even achieve better.And about education we will soon reach there.
 
Smatta

It seems you are missing the point here.

The point is accessibility, not equality in development. I was trying to explain how Bongo's small cake is distributed.

Tell me can you drive easily to Ramu, or Masarbit? I am currently working on a road project in Kenya so I know what I mean. Your radius of good roads from Nairobi is not more than 500km. Do you research you'll understand what I mean. In other words, that is the radius of concentration of your development.

Punguzeni kiburi you are not better than anybody.


Njimba
 
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I think this debate is turning into radicule. hivi kitawauma nini kuongelea mambo ya maana kuliku misifa tu ya CBD while humiliki hata kachumba kwenye hayo majengo. yote yanamilikiwa na wazungu na wachache wetu tu. kwenye umaskini kuna utajiri pia. despite the good things abt nrb there is also kibera (the largest slum dweller in africa next to bombay) there is also mathare. so ukisema watu ni maskini kuna matajiri pia.

To be honest, wakenya wachache ni matajiri na majority ni maskini sawa na Tanzania tu lakini hapa kwetu at least kuna uwiano kidogo sio kwa wenzetu. Nafikiri kuna haja kila mtu amuangalie mwenzake kwa heshima na sio kujibeza na kujikuza while we need each other at the end.
 
Smatta

Ninaona unashindwa kuelewa maana ya somebody being better off than the other! Na hata vigezo huvijui;

Yes, may be you are right a Kenyan Form II leaver might be fluent in English than his Tanzanian Form Six counter-part. Is that all? What about other subjects? Can your Form II leaver solve the same mathematical equations as a Tanzanian Form Six leaver?

Halafu hujajibu ubora wa barabara zenu, kama huijui Kenya give me a ring will show you the real colour of your country. I reside in Kiberaa Slum, Instead ya kubishana hapa twende site! Nikuonyeshe your Kenya;

Njimba
 
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What Kenya has that TZ does not have in terms of resources? May be markets for manufactured goods. Otherwise, TZ has little to gain from union with Kenya.

In my view, TZ should concetrate in enhancing trade ties with Malawi, Zambia, DRC, Rwanda and Burundi. That is where pay back is quite vivid! If Tanzania embark on constructing superb infrastructure hub connecting it with the aforementioned countries, trade gains are lucrative.

Coalition of the willing will benefit Kenya more than any other state in the northern corridor. So there is merit for Kenya to concetrate on this opprotunity, as Kenya is a viable gateway for Sea transport(Except Rwanda and Burundi which should work with Tanzania to create a less costly tansport network for their cargo).
HellFire20
 
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Njimba Nsalilwe
Ati? Kenya iko na well over 160000km of roads compared to Tz's only 88000km.
Where was I in 2009 to debunk these rubbish?
 
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Shy

No they shouldn't. Unless they are at par socially and economically.
 
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Shy

Speaking of development doldrums, who is really in doldrum here. when was the last time Kenya economy grew by 7%?
 
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Mi sipendi ilo jambo litoke ni mawazo hovyo kwann Tanzania? mkaungane na South Sudan na Somali
 
Ubungoubungo said:
its better a hundred times to be milked by a chinese than a kenyan.
Click to expand...

I know right? but how does it feel to be milked by both Kenyans and the Chinese? Someone is doing an impressive job in resurrecting these old threads, 2009, sheesh.
 
Ubungoubungo

Umeongea points mkuu, na siku zote watu husema adui yako usimuombee kifo muombee aishi miaka mingi ili aone Mungu anavyokubariki.
 
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Not a bad idea. The implementation must however be preceeded by a number of important issue. Kenya must first and foremost solve the land distribution issue. Why would one Kenyatta family hold such vast tracts of land while most of the Kenyans are landless?
 
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