Sneak view: Morroco's vs Kenya's SGR

Sneak view: Morroco's vs Kenya's SGR

And you miss the point too, garama ni sawa ilihali ya morrocco ni reli ya abiria pekee, tena ticket itakua subsidised. Yao ni 350km. . While reli ya kenya ni heavy duty 470km inabeba 35mln tonnes abiria was just a by the way. The proposed mombasa commuter rail that will run from mombasa to Lamu via Kilifi,malindi will not be able to carry heavy cargo, it will only be for passengers, that line will be a better comparison with the morroco line


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Don't justify mistake made by your leaders. Morocco they don't run separate tracks for freight and passenger. Did you even familiarise yourself with French TGV trains? The one's are used in Morocco? It's not your average light passenger train, that is 17 ton per axle trains. You can't compare TGV train with whatever your planning to build in Mombasa to Lamu. The Chinese trains your using at the moment are, 25 ton per axle for freight trains, Morocco runs 20-22 ton per axle. They import and export way more than Kenya.
 
Kwi kwi kwi kwi LoL! You’re so funny eti considering the cost of the two is the same!!!!! But passengers 100% of the time would prefer to board the Morocco’s as compared to the other one.




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No comments considering the cost of the two is the same! ☝
 
Don't justify mistake made by your leaders. Morocco they don't run separate tracks for freight and passenger. Did you even familiarise yourself with French TGV trains? The one's are used in Morocco? It's not your average light passenger train, that is 17 ton per axle trains. You can't compare TGV train with whatever your planning to build in Mombasa to Lamu. The Chinese trains your using at the moment are, 25 ton per axle for freight trains, Morocco runs 20-22 ton per axle. They import and export way more than Kenya.
The msa rail will be 15tonnes axle...

Show me anywhere morocco High speed rail will carry slow speed cargo... Those guys are planning to build up to 4 tracks each direction with some lines dedicated for freight only!
And you want to compare them with kenya?

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The msa rail will be 15tonnes axle...

Show me anywhere morocco High speed rail will carry slow speed cargo... Those guys are planning to build up to 4 tracks each direction with some lines dedicated for freight only!
And you want to compare them with kenya?

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Haha I'm struggling to understand your statement

"Show me anywhere morocco High speed rail will carry slow speed cargo"

You can't run TGV train on some light railtrack, the train can reach up to 320km/h it need a steady railroad to be safe. And what will stop them using the same track for freight. Yes Morocco railway is still updating, and yes some track will be dedicated to cargo but there is good reason for that 1. Some freight train will be going straight from industrial parks to ports. 2. You don't want to course accidents between slow freight train and bullet train.
 
Haha I'm struggling to understand your statement

"Show me anywhere morocco High speed rail will carry slow speed cargo"

You can't run TGV train on some light railtrack, the train can reach up to 320km/h it need a steady railroad to be safe. And what will stop them using the same track for freight. Yes Morocco railway is still updating, and yes some track will be dedicated to cargo but there is good reason for that 1. Some freight train will be going straight from industrial parks to ports. 2. You don't want to course accidents between slow freight train and bullet train.
The main issue here is I said morocco HSL is dedicated solely for persengers while Kenya is for heavy cargo with additional persenger services... And you said that's not the case. So show me where morocco high speed line will be carrying freight, don't give me hypotheticals bring evidence
 
The main issue here is I said morocco HSL is dedicated solely for persengers while Kenya is for heavy cargo with additional persenger services... And you said that's not the case. So show me where morocco high speed line will be carrying freight, don't give me hypotheticals bring evidence
I'm not sure even yourself you know what your asking, is there a difference in dimension between SGR trackrails? If the track is strong enough to bare the weight of locomotives, that track will be used as multi purpose as long is free for that particular time. This is standard all over the world, and I don't know how you want me to show you this in action unless your ready to make a trip to Morocco just to witness it with your eyes. The simplest thing you can do try to log into Pinterest and search Morocco freight trains, there hundreds of photos showing just that.

I told you, having a dedicated line isn't something new, number of European countries they even have special highway roads for long haul buses and heavy duty trucks to keep every one safe and on their lane.
 
Kuja uone ile ya Ethiopia.

Train travel in Ethiopia & Djibouti - train times & fares

Travellers' reports...
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Traveller Clément reports from the first public run in January 2018: "A contact told me the train left at 8am. I arrived at the train station of Furi-Lebu at 7am. The ticket counters are on the right of the station. They were surprised I was going to Djibouti as all the other passengers would stop at Dire Dawa. If you go to Djibouti, make sure you already have a visa even if you are entitled to get a visa at the border, otherwise they'll most probably deny selling you a ticket to Djibouti. Even though it is in the same building, you have to go outside in order to get in the waiting hall. The federal police does a thorough search of your bags when entering the hall. They stop letting you in 5 minutes before departure. The train starts as soon as all passengers are on. Since we were only 20ish passengers, it departed at 7:55. There is a counter for the Ethiopian customs to check border crossing passengers, but it was closed and I was told we'd do the immigration stuff at the border. The Chinese management company told the two governments to install Djiboutian immigration counters in Ethiopian stations and vice versa to speed up the process at the border but the governments haven't yet agreed on the formalities. Hopefully, it should change as they get more international passengers. The train is managed by a Chinese company though the hostess and a few other staff are Ethiopians . The Chinese manager told me we would arrive at 8pm rather than the scheduled 6pm because usually there are power cuts and stops for various reasons.

The train has 1 car with VIP 4-berth compartments, 1 car of 6-berth open compartments with seats and power outlets in the hallway, 1 dining-car selling very basic food (a basic "sandwich", some cookies, chips and water - though it was their inaugural journey) and 8 hard-seats cars with 118 seats. Dining and hard seat cars only have power outlets for the attendants. The train currently stops in Adama and Dire Dawa only as the other stations are not ready and not yet staffed. We stopped twice between Lebu and Adama, including once for 5 minutes because we hit a goat at a road crossing (the management company then sends some of its local staff to pay compensations). We arrived in Adama at 9:15 and stopped for about 40 min for an unknown reason. The train then passes through less populated areas at between 90 and 100 km/h; you're in the very basalt-y plain of the rift valley, surrounded by soon-to-be woken small volcanoes. After riding 2h15 from Adama, the train stopped in the bush not far from Metehara. I saw a goat on the side that couldn't seem to use its back legs. I thought it was giving birth ("cuuuute") until I realized there were more inanimate goats a few meters further. The train had gone full speed through a herd, killing 30. Locals came and there were soon 30ish people around the train. The four federal police guys who are always aboard the train went to discuss with them as usual. However the shepherd didn't want to let the train go until he gets compensated (for 70 goats, since some were pregnant and some cubs need their dead mother...). More federal and local police came, about 20 in total. The train left after 7 (!) hours of negotiations which, according the the Chinese boss in the train, included some calls to the Ethiopian minister of transport and the head of the federal police in Addis, at dusk (I suspect the shepherd let it go because they had to go home for diner, otherwise they would have stayed!). The boss told me "they do it on purpose to get money. They ask an unreasonable price. The other day we killed 12 camels and they asked for a million birr".

We then went straight to Dire Dawa. The train was so late than we stopped in Dire Dawa for the night. It was supposed to leave Dire Dawa for Djibouti at 2:52 pm; we arrived at 9:30pm. The train managers were very sorry and stressed that it is the very beginning of the operations and it will improve with time. They
 
Kuja uone ile ya Ethiopia.

Train travel in Ethiopia & Djibouti - train times & fares

Travellers' reports...
"
Traveller Clément reports from the first public run in January 2018: "A contact told me the train left at 8am. I arrived at the train station of Furi-Lebu at 7am. The ticket counters are on the right of the station. They were surprised I was going to Djibouti as all the other passengers would stop at Dire Dawa. If you go to Djibouti, make sure you already have a visa even if you are entitled to get a visa at the border, otherwise they'll most probably deny selling you a ticket to Djibouti. Even though it is in the same building, you have to go outside in order to get in the waiting hall. The federal police does a thorough search of your bags when entering the hall. They stop letting you in 5 minutes before departure. The train starts as soon as all passengers are on. Since we were only 20ish passengers, it departed at 7:55. There is a counter for the Ethiopian customs to check border crossing passengers, but it was closed and I was told we'd do the immigration stuff at the border. The Chinese management company told the two governments to install Djiboutian immigration counters in Ethiopian stations and vice versa to speed up the process at the border but the governments haven't yet agreed on the formalities. Hopefully, it should change as they get more international passengers. The train is managed by a Chinese company though the hostess and a few other staff are Ethiopians . The Chinese manager told me we would arrive at 8pm rather than the scheduled 6pm because usually there are power cuts and stops for various reasons.

The train has 1 car with VIP 4-berth compartments, 1 car of 6-berth open compartments with seats and power outlets in the hallway, 1 dining-car selling very basic food (a basic "sandwich", some cookies, chips and water - though it was their inaugural journey) and 8 hard-seats cars with 118 seats. Dining and hard seat cars only have power outlets for the attendants. The train currently stops in Adama and Dire Dawa only as the other stations are not ready and not yet staffed. We stopped twice between Lebu and Adama, including once for 5 minutes because we hit a goat at a road crossing (the management company then sends some of its local staff to pay compensations). We arrived in Adama at 9:15 and stopped for about 40 min for an unknown reason. The train then passes through less populated areas at between 90 and 100 km/h; you're in the very basalt-y plain of the rift valley, surrounded by soon-to-be woken small volcanoes. After riding 2h15 from Adama, the train stopped in the bush not far from Metehara. I saw a goat on the side that couldn't seem to use its back legs. I thought it was giving birth ("cuuuute") until I realized there were more inanimate goats a few meters further. The train had gone full speed through a herd, killing 30. Locals came and there were soon 30ish people around the train. The four federal police guys who are always aboard the train went to discuss with them as usual. However the shepherd didn't want to let the train go until he gets compensated (for 70 goats, since some were pregnant and some cubs need their dead mother...). More federal and local police came, about 20 in total. The train left after 7 (!) hours of negotiations which, according the the Chinese boss in the train, included some calls to the Ethiopian minister of transport and the head of the federal police in Addis, at dusk (I suspect the shepherd let it go because they had to go home for diner, otherwise they would have stayed!). The boss told me "they do it on purpose to get money. They ask an unreasonable price. The other day we killed 12 camels and they asked for a million birr".

We then went straight to Dire Dawa. The train was so late than we stopped in Dire Dawa for the night. It was supposed to leave Dire Dawa for Djibouti at 2:52 pm; we arrived at 9:30pm. The train managers were very sorry and stressed that it is the very beginning of the operations and it will improve with time. They
Tanzania one will be a disaster if they don't sort out their electricity issues
 
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