Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Jackal said:
Urusi yapoteza askari karibu 500 kwa mpigo!
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Russia loses around 500 more soldiers

Russia lost 460 soldiers and an artillery system over the course of 14 April.
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Ingekuwa kweli CNN, BBC, aljazeera, vyombo vyote vya magharibi vingejaa hiyo habari lakini source yake ni Facebook, kuweni serious na bando za watu.
 

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kp kipanya44 said:
Tutazidi kuwachinja warusi Kwa wingi kadri iwezekanavyo [emoji56][emoji56][emoji56]


[emoji298][emoji298] Since the outset of russia’s full-scale invasion, Ukraine’s Defense Forces have eliminated 182,660 russian invaders, including 590 over the past day.

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Ukraine mwezi huu ukiisha wataweka silaha chini, Zelensky hapeleki pesa mstari wa mbele yeye anapeleka kwenye account zake uko Swiss account, Cayman islands etc. Watu wake wanapukutika Kama mchwa.
 

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uchungu said:
Huyu jamaa huwaga haelewek! Mara hana silaha halaf anaendelea kuchukua maeneo
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[emoji4][emoji4]yaani ni kama kitumbua hakieleweki nyuma wapi mbele wapi .......jamaa analialia silaha zimeisha ila anamega ardhi mdogo mdogo [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]mwisho atamega mpaka kiev mpakani na poland na bado atalalamika silha zimeisha
 
Grand Master said:
Updates [emoji298]

Ramzan Kadyrov refused to meet with five Chechens released from Ukrainian captivity during the latest cancellation. He believes that now they must prove with arms in their hands that they did not avoid the battle and were captured against their will.

“The justifications may be different, but be that as it may, the warrior must prove that he had no other choice. And you need to prove it by returning to the front line. Therefore, I did not meet with the returnees,” Kadyrov wrote.

We are talking about five Chechens from the Akhmat-Sever regiment, released yesterday from Ukrainian captivity. They were taken prisoner on 14 December.
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Huo ndo uanaume Sasa,
Sio unaenda kujitekesha ili ukimbie Vita

Kama kweli hawakukimbia warudishwe Frontline,

Maana kitakwimu chechens hawakupata defeat au retreat kote walikopita,

Hawa Waaojitia POW walitokea wapi Kama sio wanaume ubwabwa walokimbia Vita[emoji4]

Naungana na kadyrov,warudishwe Frontline[emoji4]
 
MoD Russia:
⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation

(17 April 2023)

Part I (see Part II)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.

💥 In Kupyansk direction, Ground-Attack and Army aviation and artillery of the Zapad Group of Forces have engaged the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine close to Dvurechnaya, Timkovka, Tabayevka, and Berestovoye (Kharkov region).

◽️ In addition, actions of three sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were thwarted near Sinkovka and Kislovka (Kharkov region) and Stelmakhovka (Lugansk People's Republic).

◽️ The enemy's losses have amounted to up to 35 Ukrainian troops, and one Akatsiya self-propelled howitzer in this direction during the day. Moreover, a Ukrainian 36D6 and P-18 radars have been detected and destroyed close to Kupyevakha (Kharkov region).

💥 In Krasny Liman direction, Russian aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrower systems of the Tsentr Group of Forces hit units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine close to Terny, Grigorovka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Chervonaya Dibrova (Donetsk People's Republic).

◽️ More than 70 Ukrainian troops, one armoured fighting vehicle, and one Gvozdika self-propelled howitzer have been neutralised.

💥 In Donetsk direction, the assault detachments have taken control over two quarters in northweatern and central part of the city of Artyomovsk.

◽️ Airborne Troops, Operational-tactical and Army aviation, and artillery of the Yug Group of Forces have been supporting the actions of the assault detachments in this area, isolating the enemy on the flanks.

◽️ The Russian aviation made 22 sotries. The artillery of the Yug Group of Forces have performed 54 fire missions.

◽️ As a result of the strikes, the AFU units have been close to Bogdanovka, Chasov Yar, and Konstantinovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

◽️ Total losses of the enemy in the past 24 hours in these directions have amounted to over 270 Ukrainian troops and mercenaries, one tank, one infantry fighting vehicle, seven armoured fighting vehicles, and five motor vehicles.

#MoD
🔹 @mod_russia_en

⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation

(17 April 2023)

Part II (see Part I)

◽️ In South Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Vostok Group of Forces inflicted fire damage on AFU units close Ugledar, Velikaya Novoselka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Zagornoye, Malaya Tokmachka, and Kamenskoye (Zaporozhye region)

◽️ One sabotage and reconnaissance group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been disabled close to Novomikhalovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

◽️ As many as 60 Ukrainian servicemen, two pick-up trucks, and one Msta-B howitzer have been neutralised in these areas during the day.

◽️ Moreover, a hangar with armament and military hardware of the 65th Mechanised Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was destroyed near Novodanilovka and Novoandreevka (Zaporozhye region).

◽️ In Kherson direction, over 55 Ukrainian troops, three motor vehicles, and one M777 artillery system, and Akatsiya and Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers were destroyed by enemy fire.

💥 Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have neutralised 95 AFU artillery units at their firing positions, enemy manpower and hardware in 123 areas.

💥 Russian air defence forces have intercepted three HIMARS MLRS projectiles during the day.

◽️ In addition, four Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been destroyed in the areas of Verkhetoretskoye, Vasilyevka, Krapivnitskoye (Donetsk People's Republic), and Golaya Pristan (Kherson region).

📊 In total, 407 airplanes and 228 helicopters, 3,764 unmanned aerial vehicles, 415 air defence missile systems, 8,699 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,086 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 4,606 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 9,552 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

#MoD
🔹 @mod_russia_en
 
Huko Lisichansk na Gorsky Kundi kubwa la Askari wa Ukrein wanaji salimisha
Karibu Wanajeshi 1000 Walisha Jisalimisha Wengi wao Wakilalamika kuwa Wanauliwa sana
hawana Silaha wala Pesa

Unaambiwa Ndani ya Masaa 24 Wanauliwa mpaka 1000
Kitu ambacho wameogopa na Kuanza Kujisalimisha huku sehemu kubwa Ikiwa imezungukwa na Wanajeshi wa Urusi

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The Ukrainian military began to surrender en masse, both near Lisichansk and Gorsky. The total number of prisoners can reach 1000 people.

The Ukrainian army suffered huge losses near Lisichansk

The number of people killed in the last 24 hours can reach up to 1000 people.
 
MOTOCHINI said:
Huko Lisichansk na Gorsky Kundi kubwa la Askari wa Ukrein wanaji salimisha
Karibu Wanajeshi 1000 Walisha Jisalimisha Wengi wao Wakilalamika kuwa Wanauliwa sana
hawana Silaha wala Pesa

Unaambiwa Ndani ya Masaa 24 Wanauliwa mpaka 1000
Kitu ambacho wameogopa na Kuanza Kujisalimisha huku sehemu kubwa Ikiwa imezungukwa na Wanajeshi wa Urusi

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The Ukrainian military began to surrender en masse, both near Lisichansk and Gorsky. The total number of prisoners can reach 1000 people.

The Ukrainian army suffered huge losses near Lisichansk

The number of people killed in the last 24 hours can reach up to 1000 people.
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afu kuna mbuzi anakwambia
LEO TUMEWACHINJA WARUSI ZAIDI YA MIA 500 blah blahhh blahn...
 
MOTOCHINI said:
Huko Lisichansk na Gorsky Kundi kubwa la Askari wa Ukrein wanaji salimisha
Karibu Wanajeshi 1000 Walisha Jisalimisha Wengi wao Wakilalamika kuwa Wanauliwa sana
hawana Silaha wala Pesa

Unaambiwa Ndani ya Masaa 24 Wanauliwa mpaka 1000
Kitu ambacho wameogopa na Kuanza Kujisalimisha huku sehemu kubwa Ikiwa imezungukwa na Wanajeshi wa Urusi

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The Ukrainian military began to surrender en masse, both near Lisichansk and Gorsky. The total number of prisoners can reach 1000 people.

The Ukrainian army suffered huge losses near Lisichansk

The number of people killed in the last 24 hours can reach up to 1000 people.
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Bora kujisalimisha tu Kama huna nyenzo na huon dalili za kumshinda adui yako[emoji4]
 
MOTOCHINI said:
Huko Lisichansk na Gorsky Kundi kubwa la Askari wa Ukrein wanaji salimisha
Karibu Wanajeshi 1000 Walisha Jisalimisha Wengi wao Wakilalamika kuwa Wanauliwa sana
hawana Silaha wala Pesa

Unaambiwa Ndani ya Masaa 24 Wanauliwa mpaka 1000
Kitu ambacho wameogopa na Kuanza Kujisalimisha huku sehemu kubwa Ikiwa imezungukwa na Wanajeshi wa Urusi

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The Ukrainian military began to surrender en masse, both near Lisichansk and Gorsky. The total number of prisoners can reach 1000 people.

The Ukrainian army suffered huge losses near Lisichansk

The number of people killed in the last 24 hours can reach up to 1000 people.
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Wanalalamika wanauliwa sana.
Kwa hiyo walitaka wasiulie...?
 
lee van cliff said:
Ha ha haa,
Urusi bana,ni kama imepiga jiwe moja lakini imeua ndege wengi vile!
Ni kitendo cha kujilinda,yaani dimilitalization,de nazidication na de natosification of Ukraine,lakini matokeo yake Sasa kimetokea kua kama kitendo Cha kulipiza kisasi dhidi ya marekani.nitaeleza.
Nayo Finlanda na Sweden ni kama wahalifu wawili waliokua wameketi sehemu pamoja na watu wema bila kujulikana kama hao wawili ni wahalifu.
Polisi walikua katika shughuli zao za kawaida wala hawakua wakiwa jua hao jamaa wawili ni wahalifu,lakini walipopita mbele Yao TU wahalifu wale wakakurupuka na kutoka nduki,ndipo polisi kwa kuona hivyo wakajua Hawa Wana jambo la kujibu,nao wakaanza kuwafatilia.
Iko hivi,Urusi wala haikua na mawazo,shida wala mgogoro wowote na Sweden na Finland.
Kwa mtazamo wangu,mara TU baada ya Urusi kuivamia Ukraine,Ni kama walipangwa hivi nao waombe uanachama wa NATO ili kuichanganya Urusi na kuitoa ktk malengo yake ya SMO.Lakini kwa bahati mbaya waliwakuta wacheza Chess walishausoma mchezo,Putin mara moja akasema Hana tatizo na akina Finland kujiunga na NATO.yeye tatizo lake ni Ukraine.Hapa nadhani mtego ulirukwa kikamilifu.
Sasa basi kosa la sweden na Finland kama wakijiunga na NATO ni moja nalo ni kubwa sana ni kwamba wwshaingizwa kwenye orodha ya nchi ambazo zitashambuliwa kwa nguvu zote na Urusi iwapo vita baina ya NATO na Urusi itatokea.jamani hili sio jambo dogo.Kabla ya kujiunga kama vita baina ya NATO kama ingetokea Urusi wala asingizifanya chochote Finland na nduguye.
Nakumbuka wakati wa mzozo wa Marekani kutaka kuweka mfumo wa rada nchini Romania na mfumo wa kutungua makombora nchini Checks, eti kwa ajili ya kujilinda ulaya na nchi korofi kama Korea Kaskazini na Iran.
Urusi ilizionya nchi m ili hizo kua zimekubali kuwa malengo ya silaha za maangamizi za Urusi kwa kukubali kuwekewa mifumo hiyo?
Maana Urusi ilisema kwa sababu silaha hizo ni kwa ajili ya Urusi,nayo Urusi itaelekeza silaha zake za maangamizi kwa nchi hizo.
Kwa kauli hiyo TU,wananchi wa n chi hizo wakaandamana kuwataka watawala wao waachane kabisa na mpango huo,nao ukasitishwa.

Tuachane na akina Finland.
Kwa Nini nasema alietaka kulinda mipaka yake (Urusi)Sasa ni kama analipiza kisasi.
Lengo la hii SMO ni kulinda mipaka yake,lakini Sasa,ama kwa kujipanga yaani kujua,ama kwa kutokujua huenda Urusi imepata nafasi ya kulipiza kisasi kwa kuanguka kwa USSR.
Kisasi ni kisasi TU,kisasi sio lazima kifanane na ulivyomfanyia mtu.hata kumuaibisha TU ni kisasi wakati yeye alikudhurumu.huu ni mfano TU.

Kila nikiangalian OP hii inavyoenda nawaza pengini ni kitendo Cha kulipiza kisasi,ni kama muvie Fulani hivi la akili kubwa sana.
Nasema hivi kwa sababu.
Nchi nyingi zimeona double standard za west,hata raia wa west wenyewe wameona hivyo.
Kwamba akipigwa Palestine ni sawa lkn akipigwa Ukraine ni haramu.Hapa Urusi kafanikiwa kuichonganisha jumuiya ya west na jumuiya ya kiarabu Dunia nzima.

West kutaka afrika ijitenge na Urusi,waafrika wamegoma ,wamekumbuka visa vya west wakati wa ukoloni.
Hapa Urusi kacheza vizuri.

Marekani alizoea kutumia Dola kama silaha ,Urusi kafanikiwa kuifanya sehemu kubwa ya Dunia kuanza kuiepuka dola.matokea yake Dola inaenda kua Hela ya kawaida TU.

Uwezo wa NATO kijeshi.
Aisee hapa ndio penye utamu.
Unajua hesabu Huwa hazidanganyi.
Na hapa ndio Kuna swali ambalo Pro NATO hua hawataki kabisa kulisikia achilia mbali kulijibu.
iko hivi.
Ukraine imepewa na inaendelea kupewa misaada ya Hali ya juu sana ya silaha,ujasusi wa kivita,fedha,uungwaji mikono,ushauri na Kila aina ya michango kutoka wataalamu wabobevu wa fani zote kutoka nchi zinazoaminika sana hapa duniani kuanzia Wataalamu kutoka NATO,G7,EU,west Europe na Kila aina ya uchwara

Namba zinahoji hivi kama USA na NATO walienda kumpiga Saddam Hussein wa Iraq kwa kuivamia Kuwait,Kama NATO walienda kumpiga Slobodan Milosevc wa Serbia/Yugoslavia kwa kuwapiga Bosnia and Herzegovina na Kosovo,kama walienda kumpiga Muamar Gadafi alipowapiga wapinzani wake Libya.Bahati nzuri au mbaya zote hizo hazikua wanachama wa NATO lkn NATO walienda.
Leo hii matukio yote hayo yanafanana kabisa na tukio la Ukraine.
sasa NATO wanasubiri Nini kuingia vitani dhidi ya Urusi kwa staili ileile waliyotumia kwa nchi nilizozitaja?

Mfano wa kizembe kabisa katika smo hii.
Unaweza kuilinganisha halii hii hivi:

Uwezo wa kufikiri wa raisi wa Urusi peke yake,amewazidi Marais zaidi ya 30 wa west ktk smo hii.

Uwezo wa kufikiri wa Mkuu wa majeshi wa Urusi peke yake, amewazidi wakuu wa majeshi wa nchi zaidi ya 30 za west ktk smo hii.

Uwezo wa kufikiri wa Mkuu wa ujasusi wa Urusi peke yake,amewazidi wakuu wa ujasusi wa nchi za NATO ktk smo hii.

Waziri wa fedha na uchumi wa Urusi peke yake uwezo wa kufikiri,amewazidi mawaziri wa fedha na uchumi wa west ktk smo hii.

Huuni mfano mwepesi TU lkn ukweli ni kwamba. USA na west wake walitaka
Putin atikiswe,
hajatikiaika.

Jeshi lishundwe halijashindwa,

Mambo yavurugike,
majasusi wa Urusi wamedhibiti.

Uchumi wa Urusi uvurugike,umevurugika wao.

Fedha ya Urusi ianguke,lkn imepanda thamani na Dola imeanza kupuuzwa..

Matokeo yake.
NATO kuonekana Haina faida.
USA ushawishi kuisha,
Dola kupoteza umaarufu,
Uchumi wa west kuanguka,
Na west kua nchi zisikokua na maana.
Balance of power kuja
Na kuibuka kwa Brics kidunia yaani nchi nyingi kujiunga.
Uonevu kuisha.

Nchi kuheshimiana,hakuna kulazimishana mambo yasiyofaa.

Marekani hatakaa avamie nchi yoyote tena kwani ataonekana alichokipinga kwa Urusi ni kipi na anachokifanya ni kipi.

Urusi kutaka kulinda mipaka yake imejikuta inaikomboa Dunia.
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Wakibisha wanahitajia bakora
 
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