LIVE Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Mathanzua]

Putin says he is open to peace,but the West is pushing the World "to a point of no return." Lays out terms for Ukraine peace.​

JUNE 14, 2024

Vladimir Putin has issued another chilling warning to the West, saying its ‘selfishness and hypocrisy’ has led to a ‘dangerous turn of events’ and brought the world ‘close to a point of no return.
Speaking to foreign ministry officials, the Kremlin leader said: ‘Calls to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia, which possesses the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons demonstrate the extreme recklessness of Western politicians.
‘They either do not understand the scale of the threat they are creating – or are simply obsessed with their own sense of impunity and exceptionalism.
‘Both can lead to tragedy.’
Putin also warned that plans by Western countries to provide Ukraine with loans using interest from Russian assets frozen abroad was theft and would not go unpunished.
‘Despite all the chicanery, theft will certainly remain theft. And it will not go unpunished,’ he said.
‘Now it is becoming obvious to all countries, companies (and) sovereign funds that their assets and reserves are far from safe in both the legal and economic sense of the word.
‘Anyone could be next in line for expropriation by the US and the West.’
Putin was speaking a day after G7 leaders agreed on an outline deal to provide $50 billion of loans for Ukraine using interest from Russian sovereign assets.
TERMS FOR PEACE IN UKRAINE
He told officials the ‘Western model’ of global security is collapsing and ‘needs to be essentially created anew’ – adding he is open to talks with everyone, including NATO.
‘All this requires us, together with our partners, with all interested countries, and there are many of them, to work out our own options for ensuring security in Eurasia, proposing them then for wider international discussion,’ he said.
‘We live on the same continent. No matter what happens, you cannot change the geography. We will have to coexist and work together one way or another.’
Putin also set out his prerequisites for peace talks with Ukraine.
‘Conditions are very simple,’ he said. ‘Ukrainian forces must be completely withdrawn from Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.
‘[It’s] important to note, from all territories of these regions within their administrative borders which existed upon their accession to Ukraine.
‘As soon as Kyiv says they’re ready for such decision and start the real withdrawal of forces form these regions and officially declare rejection of plans to join NATO, from our side, immediately, literally the same minute, will come an order to stop the fire and start negotiations.
‘We will do it immediately. Obviously, we will guarantee the uninterrupted and safe withdrawal of Ukrainian forces.’

Terms of piece with Ukraine

Ukrainian troops must be completely withdrawn from the territory of the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions

Ukraine must not join NATO
Russia wants a neutral, non-aligned, nuclear-free status of Ukraine
All Western sanctions against the Russian Federation must be lifted
The status of Crimea and Sevastopol, DPR and LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions as regions of the >Russian Federation should be recorded in international treaties

If Kiev and the West refuse the new peace proposal, further conditions will be different, Putin said.
Ukraine on it's part has rejected the Russian peace proposal.

Mykhailo Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Ukrainian presidential administration, claimed that Putin's new initiative to settle the conflict allegedly does not contain a "real peace proposal".Vladimir Putin on the other hand has declared that Russia is making another real peace proposal but if the West and Kiev reject it, they will be responsible for any ensuing bloodshed.

 

[Jasmoni Tegga]

Putin: Ukrainian troops must be completely withdrawn from new regions - from their entire territory, their administrative borders at the time of their entry into the Russian Federation

As soon as they announce this in Kyiv and make a promise not to join NATO, Moscow will give the order for a ceasefire and the start of negotiations.

If only wishes were horses; if that were so easy!

At this point it's obvious that no one side is willing to make an easy proposal for a peace deal, especially after both parties have taken so much loses.

Kyiv would rather fight to the last Ukrainian than go down in history as a state horribly humbled by Russia through surrender.

My advice to Zelensky: Take the deal already and save the remaining lives of your countrymen!

Why fight while there's a better way to settle your conflict? Is it to please America??? You're better than this!

 

[Jicholamwewe]

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[Labani og]

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Unataka upelekwe vitani Ukraine

 

[BUSH BIN LADEN]

Habari wakuu Mimi Nina certificate ya laboratory technician pia Nina experience ya miaka 3 kuhusu laboratory technician, laboratory analysis, QC,QA pia blending oparetor au syrup oparetor pia naweza kufanya kazi popote pale penye maabara au panapozalishwa bidhaa .yeyote atakaye nisaidia kupata connection ya job nipo tayri kuingia naye mkataba awe anakata 10% ya mshahala wangu ndani ya miezi 12.asanteni

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[Nkuba25]

Ukraine iamue kusuka au konyoa.

 

[kp kipanya44]

Naam, ni zaidi ya elf Moja walilambishwa mchanga Jana 🥱 🥱 🙌

 

[TUJITEGEMEE]

Putin says he is open to peace,but the West is pushing the World "to a point of no return." Lays out terms for Ukraine peace.​

JUNE 14, 2024

Vladimir Putin has issued another chilling warning to the West, saying its ‘selfishness and hypocrisy’ has led to a ‘dangerous turn of events’ and brought the world ‘close to a point of no return.
Speaking to foreign ministry officials, the Kremlin leader said: ‘Calls to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia, which possesses the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons demonstrate the extreme recklessness of Western politicians.
‘They either do not understand the scale of the threat they are creating – or are simply obsessed with their own sense of impunity and exceptionalism.
‘Both can lead to tragedy.’
Putin also warned that plans by Western countries to provide Ukraine with loans using interest from Russian assets frozen abroad was theft and would not go unpunished.
‘Despite all the chicanery, theft will certainly remain theft. And it will not go unpunished,’ he said.
‘Now it is becoming obvious to all countries, companies (and) sovereign funds that their assets and reserves are far from safe in both the legal and economic sense of the word.
‘Anyone could be next in line for expropriation by the US and the West.’
Putin was speaking a day after G7 leaders agreed on an outline deal to provide $50 billion of loans for Ukraine using interest from Russian sovereign assets.
TERMS FOR PEACE IN UKRAINE
He told officials the ‘Western model’ of global security is collapsing and ‘needs to be essentially created anew’ – adding he is open to talks with everyone, including NATO.
‘All this requires us, together with our partners, with all interested countries, and there are many of them, to work out our own options for ensuring security in Eurasia, proposing them then for wider international discussion,’ he said.
‘We live on the same continent. No matter what happens, you cannot change the geography. We will have to coexist and work together one way or another.’
Putin also set out his prerequisites for peace talks with Ukraine.
‘Conditions are very simple,’ he said. ‘Ukrainian forces must be completely withdrawn from Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.
‘[It’s] important to note, from all territories of these regions within their administrative borders which existed upon their accession to Ukraine.
‘As soon as Kyiv says they’re ready for such decision and start the real withdrawal of forces form these regions and officially declare rejection of plans to join NATO, from our side, immediately, literally the same minute, will come an order to stop the fire and start negotiations.
‘We will do it immediately. Obviously, we will guarantee the uninterrupted and safe withdrawal of Ukrainian forces.’

Terms of piece with Ukraine



If Kiev and the West refuse the new peace proposal, further conditions will be different, Putin said.
Ukraine on it's part has rejected the Russian peace proposal.

Mykhailo Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Ukrainian presidential administration, claimed that Putin's new initiative to settle the conflict allegedly does not contain a "real peace proposal".Vladimir Putin on the other hand has declared that Russia is making another real peace proposal but if the West and Kiev reject it, they will be responsible for any ensuing bloodshed.

Wale wa Uswiz hawakuwa na agenda items wamepewa Sasa wazifanyie kazi.

 

[Econometrician]

wapigane kwa nuclear abaki nani sasa! Zana za leo siyo zile zilizoipiga Japan.

Kwa hiyo na ww unaamini kwamba ikitokea mataifa yakipigana kwa nuclear basi watu wote duniani au katika hiyo nchi Watakufa??,hakuna kitu kama hicho brother mabomu yatapigwa watu watafuka mamilioni na mamilioni vitu vitaharibiwa but kuna watu wataendelea kuishi.

 

[Econometrician]

Habari wakuu Mimi Nina certificate ya laboratory technician pia Nina experience ya miaka 3 kuhusu laboratory technician, laboratory analysis, QC,QA pia blending oparetor au syrup oparetor pia naweza kufanya kazi popote pale penye maabara au panapozalishwa bidhaa .yeyote atakaye nisaidia kupata connection ya job nipo tayri kuingia naye mkataba awe anakata 10% ya mshahala wangu ndani ya miezi 12.asanteni

Acha kujiharibia kwa kuendekexa rushwa,kam una amini upo full nondo na una uziefu kama ulivyobainisha jiamini na uamini utapata.ukianza kujinadi kwa kutoa rushwa ya mshahara wako wa badaye mwenye akili yoyote atakuona upstairs upo na shida.

 

[Ninaweza]

Ukraine iamue kusuka au konyoa.

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Matakwa ya Russia hubadilika badilika.
Sasa hivi hasemi tena Ukraine ku surrender, Odessa haitaki tena na pwani ya magharibi yote.

 

[manning]

Jamani hii video nimeiona leo ikionyesha shambulizi la China dhidi ya melighala za marekani na kuziangamiza kabisa . Je china imelianzisha na marekani au ikoje hii.
🇨🇳🇺🇸 China presented an animated video on the destruction of an aircraft carrier strike group (AUG) of the US Navy

The footage shows half a squadron of Hong-6J bombers of the PLA Navy launching Yingzi-12 anti-ship missiles at an American AUG.

The missiles, having overcome the enemy's air defense system, turn the American aircraft carrier into a sinking Titanic.

 

[DAEMUSHIN]

Kwa mwendo huu hapa panajadiliwa suluhu ipi?

The first day of the "peace summit" has come to an end.

The statements of many speakers raise questions about their mental health:

"The fact that Putin came out with this bullshit 'peace proposal' yesterday is a sign that he's panicking, that's good news" - Dutch Prime Minister Rutte;

"I represent a part of the world where Russia is often called the prison of nations. Russia remains the largest colonial empire in the world, and unlike European states, Russia has not undergone a process of decolonisation" - Polish President Duda;

"Russia is a colonial power, for almost half a century, until 1990, Estonia was part of the Russian colonial system" - Estonian President Kallas;

"We will have a resolution to be adopted by the UN General Assembly on the Olympic truce, but we do not see this truce as a commitment regarding Ukraine. It is a call for Russia to stop its aggression," French President Macron;

"Before the war in Ukraine, there was a war against Georgia. Before the territories of Ukraine were occupied, the territories of Georgia were occupied. So my country fully shares the pain of the Ukrainian people when children were forcibly transferred to the territory of the Russian Federation, where there is instability and confrontation in the Black Sea region" - Georgian President Zurabishvili, a French citizen;

"Russia attacked Finland during the Second World War. We lost 10 per cent of our territory, I lost the territory where my grandfather was born" - Finnish President Stubb;

"Yesterday Putin made proposals to end the war, but he's not talking about negotiations, he's talking about the capitulation of Ukraine" - US Vice-President Harris.

Argentine President Javier Milay made a surprisingly sensible statement:

"I can hate my neighbour, but if he doesn't buy my goods, I will go bankrupt. .... These ideas are now out of fashion."

 

[john issa]

watu wazima wanalalamika, badala ya kuja na solution

 

[Shing Yui]

Jamani hii video nimeiona leo ikionyesha shambulizi la China dhidi ya melighala za marekani na kuziangamiza kabisa . Je china imelianzisha na marekani au ikoje hii.
🇨🇳🇺🇸 China presented an animated video on the destruction of an aircraft carrier strike group (AUG) of the US Navy

The footage shows half a squadron of Hong-6J bombers of the PLA Navy launching Yingzi-12 anti-ship missiles at an American AUG.

The missiles, having overcome the enemy's air defense system, turn the American aircraft carrier into a sinking Titanic.
View attachment 3018389

Nadhani hii ni video ya kutengeneza

 

[Gagnija]

watu wazima wanalalamika, badala ya kuja na solution

Dalili ya hofu. Russia ni kitisho kwa collective west.

 

[goswe]

Jamani hii video nimeiona leo ikionyesha shambulizi la China dhidi ya melighala za marekani na kuziangamiza kabisa . Je china imelianzisha na marekani au ikoje hii.
🇨🇳🇺🇸 China presented an animated video on the destruction of an aircraft carrier strike group (AUG) of the US Navy

The footage shows half a squadron of Hong-6J bombers of the PLA Navy launching Yingzi-12 anti-ship missiles at an American AUG.

The missiles, having overcome the enemy's air defense system, turn the American aircraft carrier into a sinking Titanic.
View attachment 3018389

Animated

 

[Mathanzua]

NATO rejects Russia peace proposal​

JUNE 15, 2024

NATO "Nitwit", Jens Stoltenberg, announced that NATO rejects the peace proposal put forth by Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday. Stoltenberg's body language: stuttering, stammering, folding his arms, seemed to show that he doesn't believe his own words.
Here👇, watch him.


View: https://x.com/GeneralMCNews/status/1801610327836016981
His body language during his talk was very telling.He started by folding his arms,then
flaking out and towards the end he started stuttering, gesturing around, folding his arms again, stuttering a bit more,showing that something's not right.

You could tell he didn't believe a damn about what he was saying by his body language, lol..!

But why is NATO defending a non-NATO country like they know what's best for them? If they love fighting Russia so much, why don't the go to the front lines. Most Ukrainians don't even want to fight Russia,let alone to be fed into a NATO meat grinder.

 

[Msambaa mkweli]

Dalili ya hofu. Russia ni kitisho kwa collective west.

Putin aliwapa agenda, bila wao kujua.. matokeo yake walichopanga kuongea.. hakipo tena😀😀😀

 

[DAEMUSHIN]

Endelea kujificha huko Vatican ila nimeshajua kuwa wewe ni Prigozhyn uliyehifadhi biblia.

Haya niambie kwa nini mapinduzi yalishindwa haliyakuwa nimekupa dola billioni 6.

Huwa napoteza kumbukumbu ila si kwa ninayemdai kama wewe na zelensky