Tanzania not ready kwa Soko la EAC

[Nyauba]

smatta,

..prime minister mizengo pinda does not speak for the ppl.

..tanzanians objected to eac and their views were clearly expressed when they spoke before members of prof.mwita samuel wangwe's commision.

..mizengo pinda visited kenya and raila akampa zawadi ya ngombe wachache and since then amekua akiimba sifa za eac.

..nasubiri reaction ya wabunge bcuz i believe the eac protocols[land,abolition of national identification, free movement of labor] have to be discussed and endorsed by respective parliaments b4 they become law.

what are we (tz) ready for?

 

[PatPending]

Tukubalini soko wakuu. Masuala ya shirikisho hayana ulazima wowote. Smatta, kuna wakati you make rationally acceptable arguments na kuna wakati unaborder on being a patronizing prat

 

[Zhule]

Why are you overlooking what Kanyauboya posted prior to my reply. my post was in retaliation to his vulgar talk, you cant expect me to jst stay level headed after his post. i respect everybody and expect to be respected in return. am Kenyan and proud to be one, so dont think i'll just relax while someone threatens me, try me.

Not only threatening but really we're coming for your head dame. You are a kenyans yes and working in Tanzania.What more dou you want? Bring your sisters, brothers and every body around you? To be honest, what will tanzanian benefit from EACs free market? With kenyans no doubt you are an example.Tell us man

 

[October]

Tanzania haiwezi kujiandaa hata ikipewa miaka 25 zaidi.
Provided mambo ya Land hayapo tuingie tu wandugu... hakuna option tunajichelewesha pia kwa kukosa challenges

How can you say 'Mambo ya land hayapo' while Tanzania does not have a mechanism to identify its own citizen? What criteria are you going to use to grant/deny land right to your citizens if you do not have National ID?

Zitakuja kua stori zile zile za mambo ya muungano na mambo yasiyo ya muungano.

 

[Smatta]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE BAN THIS GOON FROM THIS FORUM, PLEASE. What this idiot is writting down is illegal let alone offensive, the magnitude of his words should not be ignored, he represents a clique of failures who blame their misery on other successful individuals who are better of in one way or the other than them. When such individuals get like minded douche bags, they tend to go to the extreme by attacking the said person or his/her property, this should not be encouraged especially on an open forum like Jamii.

Like I always tell you Kanyabwoya, go to school and get an education, do something productive with your life, dont waste the most productive years of your life fantasizing on how you will attack Kenyans living in Tz, go to school or something. Get a life B.

 

[October]

We should get rid of these Kenyan parasites.

Hey, you are going too far. You have reached a point of Killing? Shame on you!!

What have Kenyans done to you to hate them that much? It is not fair to hate the entire country just because one individual mistreated you! The chances of being mistreated by an Indian in Tanzania are higher that the chances of being mistreated by a Kenyan so don't make a big deal out of it.

I worked in Kenya for 2 years and nobody killed me, everybody was friendly and no one mistreated me. The first week was different because I was not used to the fast pace of life in Nairobi but I got used to it and I enjoyed it. I have Kenyan friends who would I could be close to them than their fellow Kenyans because they knew I did not belong to the bigger rival tribes.

Yes life Nairobi is faster than Dar, Yes people behave differently, but the differences I observed were not more than difference between our tribes or religion.
Stop preaching your hate around, it is not right.

Yes I might have my hesitation about EAC but I have no problems with Kenyans as Individuals.

 

[Namtih58]

Inekuwa Smatta kasema mengine angekuwa amsha-baniwa kitamboo, lakini ndio unafiki huo.

Anyways alot of the arguments to me do not hold any water.

Take for Istance the case being put forth that beacuse Kenya has ore industries, then this translates to an influx of kenyan goods in Tz.

- Now some of the SADC countries are more industrialised than Tz. does this not also translate to dumping of goods fromthose industries into Tz

There is also the argument over land.

- Fact there can be no industrialisation without lad, infact any bussiness will require lad. The two are intertwined. weather for office space, farming, housing workers or housing machinery. Bussiness and land are inter-twined, like it or not. So let us not fool ourselves weather it be from SADC or EA most investments in Tz will require land. Oh and by the, Malawi has a higher population Density than kenya, yet no one in Tz is objecting to them being a member of SADC, where is the fear of a mass migration.

- A better argument, in this case, would for the government to setup well defined policies as an example a foreign business leasehold e.t.c.

How about the one about kenyans taking over jobs because they speak better english.

- If this is a legitimate concern then it goes to prove the need for English as a language. Most countries in SADC speak english, now which is worse for Tz's, face cometition from 2 countries or from more. For that matter let the Tz government/people foster the learning of English as a language, it does not need to be a national language but the citizens need to be empowered to compete.

And what of Tz not being ready yet

- This one is almost comical because whoever makes this argument assumes that Kenya and the other EA nations will halt all their developments and wait for Tz to catch up. I do not see it happening. In this case I will even argue that Tz has a better chance of catching up in EAC than out of EAC, by adopting some of the policies that have enabled Kenya to succeed where it has and learning from Kenya's mistakes.

Now before we go about bashing each other let us take a critical look at whats at stake, if one has objections to certain policy issues then do your research and don't just criticize, offer an alternative implementation. Consider this if you cannot come up with a solution to what you deem wrong, other than a blanket condemnation, then you have not analyzed the issue exhaustively.

 

[nomasana]

Inekuwa Smatta kasema mengine angekuwa amsha-baniwa kitamboo, lakini ndio unafiki huo.

Anyways alot of the arguments to me do not hold any water.

Take for Istance the case being put forth that beacuse Kenya has ore industries, then this translates to an influx of kenyan goods in Tz.

- Now some of the SADC countries are more industrialised than Tz. does this not also translate to dumping of goods fromthose industries into Tz

There is also the argument over land.

- Fact there can be no industrialisation without lad, infact any bussiness will require lad. The two are intertwined. weather for office space, farming, housing workers or housing machinery. Bussiness and land are inter-twined, like it or not. So let us not fool ourselves weather it be from SADC or EA most investments in Tz will require land. Oh and by the, Malawi has a higher population Density than kenya, yet no one in Tz is objecting to them being a member of SADC, where is the fear of a mass migration.

- A better argument, in this case, would for the government to setup well defined policies as an example a foreign business leasehold e.t.c.

How about the one about kenyans taking over jobs because they speak better english.

- If this is a legitimate concern then it goes to prove the need for English as a language. Most countries in SADC speak english, now which is worse for Tz's, face cometition from 2 countries or from more. For that matter let the Tz government/people foster the learning of English as a language, it does not need to be a national language but the citizens need to be empowered to compete.

And what of Tz not being ready yet

- This one is almost comical because whoever makes this argument assumes that Kenya and the other EA nations will halt all their developments and wait for Tz to catch up. I do not see it happening. In this case I will even argue that Tz has a better chance of catching up in EAC than out of EAC, by adopting some of the policies that have enabled Kenya to succeed where it has and learning from Kenya's mistakes.

Now before we go about bashing each other let us take a critical look at whats at stake, if one has objections to certain policy issues then do your research and don't just criticize, offer an alternative implementation. Consider this if you cannot come up with a solution to what you deem wrong, other than a blanket condemnation, then you have not analyzed the issue exhaustively.

thanx very much for your voice of reason. some of these tanzanians are just plain out PARANOID. they are suffering from a serious lack of rationality in their thinking capacity which is really sad. fact is kenyans are coming so instead of whining, some of these tanzanians grow up, man up and rise to the competition.

 

[Ncha]

we Tanzanian if we feel the Kenyan r ahead of us and they r coming the we have to b ready to compete. They will surely come and we cant resist, its a high time of thinking where we have done wrong and change for the current situation.

Myself I do worry with a beucratic system of our istitutions that contribute poor achivement of tanzanian. if we r all professionals and the Kenyan r really performing more than us not by just talking good english then we have a problem need to be attended.

EAC common market its something to discuss and b ready for it wheteher now or later

 

[Zhule]

...haya mawazo ya kijima sijui lini watanzania mtayaacha,wenzenu wanaungana na kuhangaikia union kama hizo za kibiashara nyie visingizio kibao na kipuuzi tuu,hamtaki kufanya biashara na majirani zenu sijui mnataka kufanya na nani sasa?

kwani biashara mpaka to form a free market zone? Bidhaa za china zimejaa hapa kwani tuna free market nao? Tuambie tuna nini cha kuwauzia wakenya? Fee movement why? unataka viwanda vyao vilivyopo hapa vije viwaajiri wakenya tu? maake kwao ukabila ndo dini yao wala huitaji kuuliza
No. waendelee kuwa majirani full stop.Huyo sumatta anatuita illiterates kwa sababu hatuongei kiingereza sawa.Tumeridhika

 

[Smatta]

kwani biashara mpaka to form a free market zone? Bidhaa za china zimejaa hapa kwani tuna free market nao? Tuambie tuna nini cha kuwauzia wakenya? Fee movement why? unataka viwanda vyao vilivyopo hapa vije viwaajiri wakenya tu? maake kwao ukabila ndo dini yao wala huitaji kuuliza
No. waendelee kuwa majirani full stop.Huyo sumatta anatuita illiterates kwa sababu hatuongei kiingereza sawa.Tumeridhika

from your comment anyone can conclude the same way I did. You are putting words in my mouth and expect me to deny, no, not me. If you think I refered to you as illiterate and not Kanyabwoya, then suit yourself chap. Na kwongea kizungu sio kuwa literate kaka.

 

[The Quonquerer]

I have been misunderstood, to get rid of them, i meant, wale wasiohitajika warudishwe kwao. Tunahitaji wageni wanaoadd value kwenye nchi yetu, mfano IT professionals, Doctors etc. Hata wa kwetu wanafanya nchi nyingine. Mfano 2 rwandan top universities are headed by Tanzanians in the name of Prof. Lwakabamba (now at Butare National Uni, baada ya kutoka KIST), na sasa Prof. Mshana (heading at KIST now). Kagame anawachukua kwa sababu anajua faida yake, lakini haji kuchukua watu wa mitaani!

Mimi ni Pro. FDIs, hata zikitoka Kenya, i don't care of any compass direction. Lakini je, hata hizo kazi zinazotokana na FDIs nazo wachkue wageni hao hao?

Huyo Smatta, anasema Shirikisho lazima litokee, na kuwa viongozi wetu wameshakubali, majority ya watanzania (zaidi ya 80%)wasichotaka yeye ndicho anataka kwa faida zake, ili akachukue ardhi Morogoro baada ya wao kuuza ya kwao kwa wazungu. Wanachotaka hawa ni kuhamia huku, nchi yao walishauza, ili na sisi yaanze kutokea kama ya kwao. Mfano Lord Delamere heir, juzi amefunguliwa, baada ya kifungo cha muda mfupi, na baada ya kuua Mmasai wa pili, wa kwanza hakuchukuliwa hata hatua. Kisa, alikatisha kwenye eneo lake kubwa sana sikumbuki sq kms! Sasa wanataka na sisi iwe hivyo siyo! Hata hivyo, kutoa ardhi kwa wawekezaji IT's OK, lakini ni jambo la kufanya kwa uangalifu. Hatuhitaji wageni kufanya kazi anazoweza mtanzania!

 

[Smatta]

I have been misunderstood, to get rid of them, i meant, wale wasiohitajika warudishwe kwao. Tunahitaji wageni wanaoadd value kwenye nchi yetu, mfano IT professionals, Doctors etc. Huyo mgonjwa wa akili Smatta, anasema Shirikisho lazima litokee, na kuwa viongozi wetu wameshakubali, majority ya watanzania (zaidi ya 80%)wasichotaka yeye ndicho anataka kwa faida zake, ili akachukue ardhi Morogoro baada ya wao kuuza ya kwao kwa wazungu. Wanachotaka hawa ni kuhamia huku, nchi yao walishauza, ili na sisi yaanza=e kutokea kama ya kwao.

Hahahahahahaha... sorry I had to laugh at this, Misunderstood, your genocidal chants were misunderstood, are you serious dude, the war chants were misunderstood huh? Just because you didnt get the support you thought you'd get now you are pretending to be level headed, and considerate.

Now tell me intelligent one, how will you weed out the so called 'wasiohitajika' and the professionals? Do you know that there are thousands of tanzanian professionals working in Kenya and there are also thousands working in the informal sector??? The only problem you have Kanyabwoya is that you don't see the world outside your borders, that's why you will always have that notion that people of different countries dont mix and work together. I hate your school of thought, coz you can be one very distructive person.

 

[The Quonquerer]

Sipo kwa ajili ya kukufurahisha wewe mkimbizi Smatta. Anayetaka kuelewa ataelewa, asiyetaka aache. Sijui ni kwa nini unakwepa kugusia matatizo yenu ya ndani yanayowafanya mfikirie kukimbia muda wote. There are no thousands of Tanzanians working in kenya afterall, liar you.

Kuna post za nyuma ulishaelezwa na watu wengine jinsi watanzania walivyouwawa huko Kenya kwa kuwa walionesha mafanikio (ukitaka tutaitafuta, wala si mimi niliyeipost!. Moreover, sihitaji kujitetea kwako, u r just an alien. Unataka kulazmisha Shirikisho kwa nguvu...hiyo ndiyo point yangu ya msingi. Sijakusikia unagusia mgawanyo wa ardhi Kenya, ukabila uliopo, na unemployment rate. Unaongelea TZ tu, ambayo haikuhusu! Ulisema unafanya baisahara, nenda TIC, kuna certificates wanatoa, utakuwa cleared na uwekeze. Hatutaki biashara yako ya nyanya na mitumba, Tanzanians can manage that!

Kama ningekuwa sipendi wangeni, mbona nakwambia uende Tanzania Investment Centre, we mweupe, unataka kuja kumanga manga mitaani na kupanga jinsi ya kuiba benki na magari ya watu, ndicho mnachojua! We need serious and genuine investors, si wababaishaji, hao tunao wengi! Bad Seed ndugu yako nimeshamjibu kwa private message, kama alifikiri matusi yanauzwa, kamwulize!

 

[The Quonquerer]

Hivi we Smatta, mimi ndiye nilianza kuita wakenya nyang'au nchi hii? Mimi ndiye nilianza kuwaita man eating man society, au kwa maneno mengine cannibalist, si kwa vile ndivyo waliwaona, na ndivyo mlivyo.

You demonstrated it recently in your disputed election. do u deny that?. Hata ukifanyaje, hautabadili mawazo ya watanzania, wewe siyo mtanzania, unaangalia faida zako kutoka TZ kama mkenya, hapo hapo waTZ nao wana interests zao kama nchi, sasa wewe unataka nini?

Hivi kufanya biashara kama ilivyo haitoshi? Mnakwenda mbali! Mtaka yote kwa pupa, hukosa yote! Halafu ungalie point zangu za msingi, si kuangalia mambo ya juu juu tu. Watu watawachukia nakwambia, chukua mlichopewa.

 

[Smatta]

Hivi we Smatta, mimi ndiye nilianza kuita wakenya nyang'au nchi hii? Mimi ndiye nilianza kuwaita man eating man society, au kwa maneno mengine cannibalist, si kwa vile ndivyo waliwaona, na ndivyo mlivyo. You demonstrated it recently in your disputed election. d u deny that?. Hata ukifanyaje, hautabadili mawazo ya watanzania, wewe siyo mtanzania, unaangalia faida zako kutoka TZ kama mkenya, hapo hapo waTZ nao wana interests zao kama nchi, sasa wewe unataka nini? Hivi kufanya biashara kama ilivyo haitoshi? Mnakwenda mbali! Mtaka yote kwa pupa, hukosa yote! Halafu ungalie point zangu za msingi, si kuangalia mambo ya juu juu tu. Watu watawachukia nakwambia, chukua mlichopewa.

Kelele za chura hazimzuii ngombe kunywa maji, isitoshe, huenda huyo chura akanywewa na hayo maji.
I think that's enough for you, what I have learnt from you since your first post in this forum is that you are one shallow nozzle, you cant think beyond the basics of what is presented to you. Move a little bit back and see the bigger picture, its not just about you, it about all of us as EAfricans...( I know that may be a little bit hard for you to fathom, but you'll just have to take it the way it is, heck I don't even know why am responding to this illiterate douche anyway).

 

[nomasana]

smatta you are trully smatta!!!!!!

 

[nomasana]

kanyabwoya and the rest of the xenophibic forumers, read this article and realise that things are moving forward in EAC, so instead of whining and complaining, i suggest that you prepare for competition cuz the rest of EAC is coming at you full force!!!!!!

here is the article, enjoy.

Who's afraid of Blue Band? Uganda bid to delay Customs Union flops

By CATHERINE RIUNGU Posted Monday, November 9 2009 at 00:00

Uganda's private sector has lost a spirited fight fronted by manufacturers to extend the EAC Customs Union transition period by another five years.

Sources close to the negotiations told The EastAfrican in Arusha last week that it was now a done deal and there is no room for further negotiations.

This newspaper has established that, on the eve of the East African Customs Union conference held in Tanzania a week ago, the East African Business Council had a night-long meeting in which Ugandan manufacturers tried to persuade the lobby to prevail upon the Council of Ministers to scuttle the coming into force of the Customs Union on January 1, 2010.

"We are not going back; they will have to catch up with the rest of the region," said an official with the regional business body who asked not to be named.

He echoed the sentiments expressed by EAC Secretary General Juma Mwapachu, who said, "We have no choice but to move with the world where regionalisation has taken centrestage."

When the Customs Union became operational in 2005, in recognition of their different levels of development and competitiveness, partner states were given a transition period of five years to trade under a graduated tariff band that applied only to Kenya, giving the rest a chance to grow their competitiveness.

This meant that goods originating from Kenya attracted duty at a rate starting at 25 per cent in the first year and falling to zero by the end of the five years, while products from the members entered the bloc's largest economy duty-free.

In 2009, Kenyan exports are attracting a five per cent duty until midnight of December 31, after which they will enter East African markets duty-free.

While Tanzania, which all along has been seen as the most reluctant of the five partners, is 100 per cent supportive of the Customs Union, Uganda is now the odd man out.

Before the resounding no to Kampala's push was delivered in Arusha, an earlier attempt by the manufacturers to petition President Yoweri Museveni to intervene on their behalf met with sympathy but no joy.

President Yoweri Museveni reportedly told industry lobby Uganda Manufacturers Association (UMA) not to drag the integration process backward, especially now that the EAC Summit is set to sign the Common Market Protocol on November 20, to come into force in July 2010.

The Customs Union is a precursor to the Common Market and delaying its implementation would affect the realisation of the other pillars of the integration process, namely the Common Market, the Monetary Union and the ultimate goal of Political Federation in that order. All these are scheduled to be achieved by 2015.

According to Mr Mwapachu, the Customs Union was the most challenging to achieve and now that it is a reality, the others will naturally fall into place.

He added that the heads of state had mandated the EAC Secretariat to ensure that both the Customs Union and Common Market Protocols were achieved within the decade as a gift to East Africans and to demonstrate commitment to the integration process and alleviate fears that the Community would go the way of the old one, which collapsed in 1977.

The heads of state have also agreed that issues that threaten the integration process be left to national jurisdictions as the Community forges ahead.

Mr Mwapachu said Uganda had no grounds to complain, having had five years of transition, unlike Rwanda and Burundi, which "have taken the leap" into the Customs Union only two years after acceding to the Treaty.

The region's Customs stakeholders - revenue authorities, standards organisations, immigration, ports, ministries involved with integration such as finance, trade and EAC, and the private sector associations from the five partners - are burning the midnight oil to put in place measures to manage the Customs Union, which still has many challenges.

According to the EAC Director General of Customs and Trade, Peter Kiguta regional trade has grown by 50 per cent since the Customs Union framework came into force in 2005.

"Although the improvement cannot be attributed to the Customs Union 100 per cent, without it, we could be speaking of marginal figures," he said.

 

[nomasana]

this is the benefit of an intergrated market.

Regional trade hits $2.7m, just 5 years into Customs Union

In just five years of the Customs Union, trade within the East African Community has risen by 49 per cent.


Last year, it reached an all-time high of $2.7 billion in exports and imports, against $1.8 billion in 2005 when the region's Common External Tariff started.
A publication of the EAC Secretariat, "Towards a Fully Fledged Customs Union" released in Kampala, says pioneer member states of the community - Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania - have reaped huge benefits from the Customs Union.

"Exports of Tanzania and Uganda to the EAC have recorded a phenomenal increase of 119 per cent and 125 per cent, respectively, since 2005. Kenya's exports also rose by 25 per cent during the same period," the publication says.

Five years ago, the private sector in Uganda and Tanzania - the lesser economies of the region - harboured deep fears over the opening up of their borders.

Their concerns were that more competitively produced goods from Kenya, attracting lower Customs duties, would flood their markets and kill local industries.

But their fortunes in the export sector have turned around more significantly than those of Kenya, the bloc's biggest economy.

Ideally, there should never have been any fear in Uganda or Tanzania.

Rwanda and Burundi, for instance, which are smaller economies, acceded to the EAC Treaty only two years ago, but as of July this year, the two countries had already complied with the region's Common External Tariff structure of zero rating for capital goods, 10 per cent for intermediary goods and 25 per cent for finished products.

The EAC publication - an audit of the Customs Union's performance since its launch - relates a romantic chronology of East Africa's integration, dating back to the construction of the Kenya-Uganda Railway.

The railway would shape culture, urbanisation and commerce between Kenyans and Ugandans, thereby becoming the first real symbol of socio-economic integration.

It also paved the way to the first "Customs Union" between Kenya and Uganda, established in 1917.

Two years later, Tanganyika joined this union. In other words, until its collapse in 1977 and the revival 12 years later, the EAC has existed since colonial times.

Officially though, the EAC became a reality only in 1967, and even when it collapsed a decade later, the region was never in doubt about the economic benefits of such a partnership.

Besides intra regional trade growing significantly since 2005, the region's exports to the rest of the world have also been rising.

Last year, they recorded a 26.6 per cent growth, compared with 2007.


But the tide is set to change next year as the Customs Union ends years of transition and transforms into a fully fledged Customs Union.

The main feature will be that goods imported from Kenya will immediately attract zero Customs duty across the entire region, including in Rwanda and Burundi, which acceded to the EAC Customs Union on July 1 this year, says the EAC Council of Ministers chairperson Monique Mukaluriza.

Kenyan goods have continued to attract various taxes during the five-year transitional period as the country's economy is far stronger than all the others.

It is expected that over the past five years, the private sector in other partner states has made full use of this grace period.

Uganda Investment Authority Board chairman Patrick Bitature says it is not wise for the business community to moan about integration challenges, with tariffs falling to zero and the Common Market Protocol taking shape.

Instead, business people should have done their homework during the transition.

The scenario of shoe company Bata is a good example of repositioning oneself for the Customs Union.

The shoemaker closed its plant in Uganda in 2005 to concentrate on merchandising - with lines of shoes imported from Kenya, Pakistan and India.

Bata was selling a million pairs of shoes in 2005, and is now selling nearly three million pairs across 30 stores countrywide, says Nelson Mbwala, the company's merchandising manager in Kampala.

Clearly, Bata saw the Customs Union as an opportunity and changed its business strategy.

While partner states also feared loss of revenue on acceding to the Customs Union, the audit shows otherwise.

On average, Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania have registered an average revenue increase of 30 per cent per annum due to higher trade volumes, production and investment flows.

 

[nomasana]

Five years ago, the private sector in Uganda and Tanzania - the lesser economies of the region - harboured deep fears over the opening up of their borders.

Their concerns were that more competitively produced goods from Kenya, attracting lower Customs duties, would flood their markets and kill local industries.

But their fortunes in the export sector have turned around more significantly than those of Kenya, the bloc's biggest economy.

Ideally, there should never have been any fear in Uganda or Tanzania.

what are you tanzanians afraid of? and complainign all the damn time?

Going by this article i think kenyans should be the ones complaing because we are losing our dominance in the EAC(which isnt good for kenya)