MALCOM LUMUMBA
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Kama waste of time umewashwa nini kuandika?
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Tanzania Vs Kenya: Contribution to African Unity and Pan Africanism
Tanzania Vs Kenya: Contribution to African Unity and Pan Africanism
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Bwahaaa Bwahaaaa!
Kama waste of time umewashwa nini kuandika?
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Our job is not yet done..think.
MALCOM LUMUMBA
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I understand,
Until you ethnically cleanse all the Somali out of their land.
Truly History repeats itself!
Kenya: Wagalla massacre survivors testify
A Kenyan truth and reconciliation commission has been hearing testimonies from people who witnessed a massacre carried out by soldiers in 1984.
The Wagalla massacre was the result of an effort to disarm ethnic Somali clans in the north-east of the country.
The government said that only 57 people were killed but survivors say close to 5,000 people died.
There may be compensation and apologies for what is considered one of Kenya's worst cases of human rights abuses.
'Burnt to death'
The BBC's Will Ross in the capital, Nairobi, says what happened in February 1984 in Wagalla near the town of Wajir is an extremely controversial and hushed-up chapter from Kenya's history.
For years, the government has been accused of downplaying the scale of the atrocities committed and failing to bring anyone to account.
It is the government that murdered our people. I lost my father, my three brothers and my uncle on this same ground,
Sahara Kanaan
Heavily armed ethnic Somali clans in the arid north-east often fought over land for grazing cattle.
In a military operation to seize the large number of weapons in the area, the security forces allegedly rounded up men and women and tortured them.
Survivors have told the Truth Justice and Reconciliation Commission how they were forced to strip naked and to lie on the ground.
They were held for five days without food and water.
Clothes doused in petrol were put on them and some were burnt to death.
Those who tried to escape were shot.
The dead bodies were not buried but were dumped in the nearby bushes where they were eaten by hyenas.
Justice?
A group of women, some of them widows, cried as they returned to give evidence in the area where they were tortured and their loved ones killed.
Sahara Kanaan is still haunted by what she witnessed.
"It is the government that murdered our people. I lost my father, my three brothers and my uncle on this same ground," she said.
"The government should bring justice for the murder of our people."
In theory, senior Kenyan officials who served under former President Daniel arap Moi in the 1980s could still face justice, our correspondent says.
That will depend on the findings of the truth commission, he says.
The commission was established following a 2008 peace agreement to end post-election violence to look into present and past atrocities committed in the country.
Last year, a new constitution was implemented, intended to end years of human rights abuses.
Source: Kenya: Wagalla massacre survivors testify - BBC News
Truly Nyang'au habadiriki, hata umtwange kwenye kinu.
Yani mmeua wasomali na waislamu hapo kwenu sasa mkaona ni bora muende mkawaulie kwao kabisa?
Are those Somalis or Kenyans?
MALCOM LUMUMBA
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Off course, our mama is the Gikuyu Government that ruthlessly butchered almost 5000 of its innocent Citizens in 1984.
It Raped children and women, amputated men and tortured another thousands who lived to tell the tale.
Who does that to its own people? Our Good Mama does that.
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Source:Kenya's Wagalla massacre 30 years later
MALCOM LUMUMBA
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Does it matter?
Or is there a policy that allows the Gikuyu Government to butcher its people?
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Ongezea kisiwa cha Comoro tulikwenda kumtoa kanari Bakari.
I just wanted to prove your aren't thinking through what you post. You've shifted from Somalia to the great,Kenya.
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Kenya army in Somalia involved in sugar smuggling and human rights abuses
NAIROBI, Kenya, Nov 12 – Kenya’s army is involved in a Sh40 billion sugar smuggling racket in Somalia that also funds the Al-Qaeda militants it is supposed to be fighting, a report alleged Thursday.
Far from fighting the Al Shabaab, Al-Qaeda’s East Africa affiliate, the Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) are, “in garrison mode, sitting in bases while senior commanders are engaged in corrupt business practices,” said the investigation by Nairobi’s Journalists for Justice rights group.
The report is based on months of research conducted in Somalia and Kenya, including interviews with serving Kenyan officers, United Nations officials, Western intelligence sources, sugar traders, porters and drivers.
The report also accused Kenyan troops of “widespread” human rights abuses — including rape, torture and abduction — and conducting air strikes “targeting crowds of people and animals” rather than the militant training camps it claims to bomb.
Kenyan army spokesman, Colonel David Obonyo, denied the allegations, insisting Kenyan soldiers were fighting hard as part of the 22,000-strong African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM).
“We are not involved in sugar or charcoal business,” said Obonyo. “How can you sit down with Shabaab one minute, and the next you are killing each other?”
Kenya’s army has denied repeated allegations of war profiteering since invading Somalia in 2011 after a string of kidnappings of tourists and aid workers blamed on the Shebab.
– Illicit business, terrorist blowback –
In the years since, Shabaab attacks in Kenya have grown in number and scale — including the killing of at least 67 people at Nairobi’s Westgate Mall in 2013 and the massacre of 148 people at a university in Garissa in April — with the militants saying the attacks are retaliation for the Kenyan military presence in Somalia and “war crimes” committed by Kenyan troops.
Persistent allegations of Kenyan military involvement in illegal business dealings in Somalia first emerged soon after the army occupied the southern port town of Kismayu in 2012, where it took control of a stockpile of millions of sacks of charcoal.
Successive reports by the UN Monitoring Group — which investigates terrorist financing and infringements of an arms embargo — have detailed the joint role of KDF, the Shebab and the local Jubaland administration in the illegal export of charcoal.
The most recent annual report, published last month, also referred to KDF involvement in the illegal sugar trade.
Journalists for Justice estimates the total value of illegal sugar smuggling to Kenya at between $200 million and $400 million (Sh20 billion to Sh40 billion).
Its investigators found that KDF taxes every sack of charcoal that leaves and every sack of sugar that arrives at Kismayo, earning an estimated $50 million (46 million euros) a year.
The Jubaland administration and the Shabaab also tax charcoal and the sugar trucks driving from Kismayu to the Kenyan border at Dhobley-Liboi.
“The illicit conflict economy is benefitting both Al-Shabaab and those ostensibly opposing them,” the report said.
The group accuses an unnamed “high ranking military official” of running a sugar smuggling network that enjoys “the protection and tacit cooperation” of Kenya’s political leaders.
“The corruption and human rights abuses undermine Kenya’s goals in Somalia, provide funds to Al-Shebab, and ultimately result in the deaths of hundreds of innocent Kenyans,” the report said.
By AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE.
Capital FM Kenya.
Link: Kenya army in Somalia involved in sugar smuggling and human rights abuses
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Where did this case reach?? (propaganda)Kenya army in Somalia involved in sugar smuggling and human rights abuses
NAIROBI, Kenya, Nov 12 – Kenya’s army is involved in a Sh40 billion sugar smuggling racket in Somalia that also funds the Al-Qaeda militants it is supposed to be fighting, a report alleged Thursday.
Far from fighting the Al Shabaab, Al-Qaeda’s East Africa affiliate, the Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) are, “in garrison mode, sitting in bases while senior commanders are engaged in corrupt business practices,” said the investigation by Nairobi’s Journalists for Justice rights group.
The report is based on months of research conducted in Somalia and Kenya, including interviews with serving Kenyan officers, United Nations officials, Western intelligence sources, sugar traders, porters and drivers.
The report also accused Kenyan troops of “widespread” human rights abuses — including rape, torture and abduction — and conducting air strikes “targeting crowds of people and animals” rather than the militant training camps it claims to bomb.
Kenyan army spokesman, Colonel David Obonyo, denied the allegations, insisting Kenyan soldiers were fighting hard as part of the 22,000-strong African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM).
“We are not involved in sugar or charcoal business,” said Obonyo. “How can you sit down with Shabaab one minute, and the next you are killing each other?”
Kenya’s army has denied repeated allegations of war profiteering since invading Somalia in 2011 after a string of kidnappings of tourists and aid workers blamed on the Shebab.
– Illicit business, terrorist blowback –
In the years since, Shabaab attacks in Kenya have grown in number and scale — including the killing of at least 67 people at Nairobi’s Westgate Mall in 2013 and the massacre of 148 people at a university in Garissa in April — with the militants saying the attacks are retaliation for the Kenyan military presence in Somalia and “war crimes” committed by Kenyan troops.
Persistent allegations of Kenyan military involvement in illegal business dealings in Somalia first emerged soon after the army occupied the southern port town of Kismayu in 2012, where it took control of a stockpile of millions of sacks of charcoal.
Successive reports by the UN Monitoring Group — which investigates terrorist financing and infringements of an arms embargo — have detailed the joint role of KDF, the Shebab and the local Jubaland administration in the illegal export of charcoal.
The most recent annual report, published last month, also referred to KDF involvement in the illegal sugar trade.
Journalists for Justice estimates the total value of illegal sugar smuggling to Kenya at between $200 million and $400 million (Sh20 billion to Sh40 billion).
Its investigators found that KDF taxes every sack of charcoal that leaves and every sack of sugar that arrives at Kismayo, earning an estimated $50 million (46 million euros) a year.
The Jubaland administration and the Shabaab also tax charcoal and the sugar trucks driving from Kismayu to the Kenyan border at Dhobley-Liboi.
“The illicit conflict economy is benefitting both Al-Shabaab and those ostensibly opposing them,” the report said.
The group accuses an unnamed “high ranking military official” of running a sugar smuggling network that enjoys “the protection and tacit cooperation” of Kenya’s political leaders.
“The corruption and human rights abuses undermine Kenya’s goals in Somalia, provide funds to Al-Shebab, and ultimately result in the deaths of hundreds of innocent Kenyans,” the report said.
By AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE.
Capital FM Kenya.
Link: Kenya army in Somalia involved in sugar smuggling and human rights abuses
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Do you want to engage in meaninless arguements or meaningful ones..
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Hii ni ripoti iliyoandaliwa na Wanahabari wa Kenya.
Wanajiita Nairobi Journalists for Justice Group.
Ripoti yao iko hapo chini hebu ipakue.
Mtandao wao unaitwa :Journalists For Justice
Labda ukiri kwamba waandishi wa Habari wa Kenya ni waongo.
Masunga Maziku , Bukyanagandi , FaizaFoxy
Njooni mjionee watu walivyowezi.
Wanaibia hata masikini. Inatisha huruma
Nkt!! I am done with you. Meaninless.....
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Teh teh teh teh!
Povu la nini sasa?
Umetaka link nimekupa na ripoti nimekuwekea.
Swali ni je, waandishi wenu wa habari ni waongo?
You know,we were talking about Somali. Kwani,how short is your memory?
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Vile vile Jeshi letu lilikwenda Seychelles kuzima jaribio la jeshi la makaburu lililokuwa linashirikiana na Kenya kutaka kuipindua Serikali halali ya Seychelles.
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Wakenya ni watu wabaya sana.hasa wakikuyu!! Khaa
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Boy, oh boy!
The conflict in Somalia has been going on ever since, before Kenya ever thought of sending its troops to intervene against the Alshbb take over there. Kenya's aims in Somalia (unlike the Tz's intervention in the other countries which basically were to precipitate a regime change), were to disrupt the possibility of the violent terror group the Al shabaab from taking over power in Somalia and thus spawning a region-wide instability and also to put to an end the problem of piracy of the coast of Somalia which was pausing a threat the the regional economies.
In those ends, Kenya has succeeded, nobody can dispute that.
Kenyan Forces Outperforming US Forces in War Against Islamists
Like I have stated, Kenya's mission in Somalia wasnt to dispense of one existing regime it deemed undesirable and to rather forcefully replace it with another one of its preference like Tanzania did in Mozambique, Angola, Uganda, Comoros and also attempted in South Africa (and probably wished it could do the same in Kenya, by getting rid of the capitalist establishment). Tz's forays abroad mostly ended in spectacular failures and disaster. Look at what followed in Mozambique, Angola, Uganda. In Uganda's case however, I am not referring to the deposition of that despot Idi Amin. That admittedly was a worthy cause, I am referring the events that followed later, where Nyerere underhandedly attempted o re-install his unpopular ally Obote back in power. The ensuing conflict was twice as bloody as the murderous Amin regime Nyerere committed himself to get rid of.
Somalia may not be entirely safe, but surely, noboy can dispute the fact that the situation there is now improving, that the country is now trudging towards peace and stability, Thanks to the interventions of Kenya and the other AMISOM countries there. Thankfully, there is now a standing govt there, mandated by the pipo rather than imposed, which is committed to the restoration of Somalia.
Otherwise, Somalia today would have been ruled by the terrorist group, the Alshbb, whose regime of terror would have been only comparable to the horror sties we are hearing coming out of the ISIS enclave in the Middle East.
Finally, MALCOM LUMUMBA, You and your compatriots keep questioning Kenya's contribution to the liberation of Africa. Could u please highlight the contributions of the other 52 African countries to justify your claims that Kenya is failure in that end?
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Utapiga domo tu! hakuna utakalofanya.
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Seychelles iliyo na uchumi mkubwa kuliko Tanzania?