Tanzania yarudi kwa Mchina kuomba mkopo wa SGR

Tanzania yarudi kwa Mchina kuomba mkopo wa SGR

pingli-nywee said:
Tunajenga kwa hela zetu sisi wenyewe! Ilikuwa ni hit song moja kali sana.
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Ati "tunajenga reli kwa fedha zetu " and then you notice the costs of the railway at $7.5bn is more than half of Tzed's annual budget. Haki afadhali Kenya bwana ,at least tunajimudu kiasi .
 
MK254 said:
Hehehe!! Haya mambo bana, Tanzania ilijishaua na kupiga chini mkataba wake na Mchina, kipindi hicho Mchina alikua amejitolea kugharamia ujenzi wa reli yote, wakampa Mturuki, lakini leo hii wamerudi kwa huyo huyo Mchina waliyemsema vibaya sana, wamemwomba awape mkopo kwa ajili ya ujenzi wa reli ya SGR, maana mambo yameshindikana.
Hii inafaa iwe funzo kwamba maskini hana jeuri ya kutunisha misuli, kama huna hela ujue huna usemi wowote, kubali usaidiwe, wacha kuwapigia watu makele na kuongea sana.
Mchina amewaambia wasubiri afanye tathmini kwanza.

Lazima tukubali hali kama ilivyo, Mchina ameshakubali atagharamia kipande kilichokua kimesalia kwa Kenya, hivyo sisi tayari tuna uhakika wa kuunga Uganda.
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China is back as one of the potential financiers of Tanzania’s flagship standard gauge railway project, Foreign Affairs Minister Palamagamba Kabudi confirmed this past week.
“The Chinese government has declared its intention to support the SGR construction at a later stage, and is now doing its own evaluation of the project before engaging us in further talks,” Prof Kabudi said, after attending a co-ordination meeting of the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation (FOCAC) in Beijing.
The SGR, stretching 1,457km from Dar es Salaam to western Tanzania, is one of the mega-infrastructure projects being touted by President John Magufuli’s government as key to its industrialisation agenda over the next decade.
The budget for the railway is $7.5 billion, with a five-year completion timeline.
Funding
Earlier plans for China’s Exim Bank to provide most of the funding for its construction fell through after the administration rejected the Chinese in favour of a Turkish-Portuguese consortium.

After that deal failed, Tanzania declared that it would pay for the project out of its own pocket. That has worked for the first two phases of the project, Dar es Salaam-Morogoro and Morogoro-Makutupora, covering 726km and costing Tsh4.89 trillion ($2.5 billion).
Tanzania Railways Corporation (TRC) officials say the first phase of the project (Dar-Morogoro) is two-thirds complete, and preparatory work on Phase Two (Dar-Makutupora) is underway.
However, funding has become an issue. TRC communications manager Jamila Mbarouk confirmed in an interview with The EastAfrican this past week that:
“The government is now striving hard to get some financing assistance in order to complete the remaining phases of the SGR construction, starting from Makutupora to the Lake Victoria zone and the western part of the country — covering about 731km.”
The Tanzanian parliament last month approved a Tsh2.5 trillion ($1.1 billion) allocation in the country’s 2019/20 budget for the SGR project, almost half of the entire Ministry of Works development expenditure budget for the year.
China is understood to have also told Kenya and Uganda to work on their respective financing modalities for their joint SGR project in order to receive funding.
China had initially declined to fund the project, with analysts saying the risk of default for both countries was high.



www.theeastafrican.co.ke

China could finance part of Tanzania’s SGR project

Beijing now doing its own evaluation of the project before engaging us in further talks
www.theeastafrican.co.ke www.theeastafrican.co.ke
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We have the right to disagree and reject unfavourable conditions.

We welcome Chinese if and only the contract will be favourable to suit themselves as well as Tanzania as a country
 
Just watched an update by the turkish company making their project on youtube(Published on Jun 14, 2019 ) and it seems all the completed works their government submit are hogwash and propaganda, a huge portion is still at the earthwork stage, culverts and beams. The train stations I have seen so far are all tiny and incomplete, those stations can not handle more than 1000 people at a time(I am being very generous with this figure).
 
Kevin85ify said:
Just watched an update by the turkish company making their project on youtube(Published on Jun 14, 2019 ) and it seems all the completed works their government submit are hogwash and propaganda, a huge potion is still at the earthwork stage, culverts and beams. The train stations I have seen so far are all tiny and incomplete, those stations can not handle more than 1000 people at a time(I am being very generous with this figure).
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A train station is not like a stadium or a church where people congregate. It's meant to let people get into trains without holding them for long.

Hii si biashara ya matatu broda
 
Kevin85ify said:
Just watched an update by the turkish company making their project on youtube(Published on Jun 14, 2019 ) and it seems all the completed works their government submit are hogwash and propaganda, a huge potion is still at the earthwork stage, culverts and beams. The train stations I have seen so far are all tiny and incomplete, those stations can not handle more than 1000 people at a time(I am being very generous with this figure).
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We're expecting our first bullet trains in November. Andaa passport. Haturuhusu IDs
 
kirk git said:
A train station is not like a stadium or a church where people congregate. It's meant to let people get into trains without holding them for long.

Ukishasoma mambo ya queuing theory na Poisson process ndio utaweza kufikiria kwa bongo!

Hii si biashara ya matatu broda
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You are quite a blubber mouth aren't you. Throwing words without understanding the meaning. Poisson processes work on unknown random events with known average time. Trains do not work that way.
 
Kevin85ify said:
You are quite a blubber mouth aren't you. Throwing words without understanding the meaning. Poisson processes work on unknown random events with known average time. Trains do not work that way.
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Ok
 
kirk git said:
A train station is not like a stadium or a church where people congregate. It's meant to let people get into trains without holding them for long.

Hii si biashara ya matatu broda
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The throughput of a train station is directly proportional to the infrastructure in the station. With regards to congregation you are wrong, railway stations like airports are also business hubs where people meet and interact before departures. I do not see an opportunity for more than two ticket counters and probably five or less self service machine which is not enough to serve more than 1000 passengers and knowing Tanzania, it will not have online booking
 
Tutakopa at the modest cost per kilometre as we now have the base of the cost per unit.
 
Kevin85ify said:
The throughput of a train station is directly proportional to the infrastructure in the station. With regards to congregation you are wrong, railway stations like airports are also business hubs where people meet and interact before departures. I do not see an opportunity for more than two ticket counters and probably five or less self service machine which is not enough to serve more than 1000 passengers and knowing Tanzania, it will not have online booking
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But it's not economic to build a station for 1000 passengers when it's already predicted that maximum 100 passengers will depart at any time.

Business and offices can be built by entrepreneurs near the station. It doesn't have to be part of the station itself. Moreover they can be added in future, if needed and when money to dispose is available!
 
kirk git said:
But it's not economic to build a station for 1000 passengers when it's already predicted that maximum 100 passengers will depart at any time.

Business and offices can be built by entrepreneurs near the station. It doesn't have to be part of the station itself. Moreover they can be added in future, if needed and when money to dispose is available!
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That is a better start for a discussion. Okay, as a software engineer I also predict load and stress on my projects but a rule of thumb for engineering is that you always design for at least three times the predicted load, if it passes then the project is given an OK. This is meant to take care of future unplanned load.

On the second point I have no disagreement, only let down will be for travellers who want to get a quick bite, or have a sit down with family before departure. Providing at least rentable spaces for fast food is very convenient and does a lot to improve on the overall experience of the traveller.
 
Chamoto said:
Mnapindisha maneno.

Serikali ilisema haitangojea mkopo, itaanza kujenga yenyewe ila kama atatokea mtu wa kutoa mkopo kwa masharti mazuri, serikali iko tayari kufanya mazungumzo.
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Afadhali kumbe kuna watu bado mpo mnaosikiliza kwa masikio yote mamwili na kuyaweka kwenye bank ya kumbukumbu kuliko wengine wao hisikiliza kwa sikio moja na yanatokea kwa sikio jingine! Serikali hakika ilianza na kwamba washirika wa maendeleo wanaweza kutuunga mkono watakapo kuwa tayari kufanya hivyo!
 
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