Tanzanian ports locking Kenya out of regional trade

Tanzanian ports locking Kenya out of regional trade

Ok geza ..I will not block you..geza ..uhuru is a president, you are a nobody trolling him on a forum je will never join...sasa nani mlevi...
Mkikuyu- Akili timamu said:
You know, its very easy to block me.. Otherwise Respond to issues stop dwelling on female hormonal tantrums
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mwaswast said:
Dar es salaam mpaka Moro bado mnaizindua?
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Mimi ninacho wasikitikia wakenya mnazarau project baada ya kujipanga yasiwakuteni yatakayo wakuta soon tz ikimaliza project zote mlizo zipomda ndo mtagundua madhara yake kwenu mtashangaa kufumba na kufumbua kenya kwishineee habari yake
 
eddy25r said:
Ok geza ..I will not block you..geza ..uhuru is a president, you are a nobody trolling him on a forum je will never join...sasa nani mlevi...
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Mmempa nchi wakati mama yake alimnyima Brookside dairy. Maana yake dairy is more important than the whole of Kenya.
 
Geza Ulole said:
umeelewa nn na hili?
"The 2018 Africa Ports report by audit firm PriceWaterHouseCoopeers (PWC) has noted that the Tanzania government’s determined investment in the Dar port, and the development of other ports in Tanga and Bagamoyo, has greatly shut out Mombasa port as the dominant trade hub in the region. As a result, neighbours in the hinterland such as Uganda and Rwanda are now preferring the Tanzanian ports as transit points for cargo."
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Una miaka mingi sana hapa jf, by now it should be automatic,any report written released by any org or institution and reported by local media, before coming to post it here, do your due diligence and alteast skim through the original report to see the finer details instead of entirely depending on the journalist version of things. Journerlist want their articles to be read, so they will choose the most dramatic method to write the article inorder t attract you and me....And kenyan journalist are like woodpeckers, they just want to peck, peck, peck at everything and be dramatic about it..

Anywaay, as for the quote you just gave me that is supposedly written in the PWC report that UG,RW prefere Tanzanian ports..... well tha statement does not exist in the report, I have checked... if it does, please tell me which page
The written talks about hub in the context of EA while the PWC report talks about a hub in the context of global shipping .... According to PWC definition of hub, non of the ports in Africa are even near becoming a hub. i.e One big post-panamax ship collects all the imports from Asia coming into Africa and then drops all of the Africa cargo at one port in Africa, then the bulk cargo is broken down inthat particular port and then loaded into panamax ships to be distributed to specific ports around Africa.... Wite now, all this is done in Srilanka port, all cargo from Asia to Africa is brocken down in Srilanka before bieng loaded into ships destined for WestAfrica, East , South AFrica.

But the reort also says tht due to the rise of Africa, more goods will be coming to Africa and Naturally, a few ports within Africa will start to be preferred by shipping lines due to capacity, efficiency connectivity..... And the shipping lines will bring bigge ships to drop cargo into these specific ports to be distributed across Africa... And acording to the current trend, Durban,Abijan and Mombasa have the highest chanes of becoming hubs.
Remember, there can only be one hub within a certain geographical location, one in West Africa, one in East and one in South, then the rest of the ports will serve as feeder ports for the hub.


Quotes from the report:

Quote 1:
PwC’s analysis (see Figure 2) shows that, based on the degree of port centrality
(shipping liner connectivity), the amount of trade passing through a port, and
the size of the hinterland, Durban (South Africa), Abidjan (Cote d’Ivoire) and
Mombasa (Kenya) are most likely to ultimately emerge as the major hubs in
Southern Africa, West Africa and East Africa, respectively (The full set of hub
attractiveness scores is included in Appendix A).


Quote 2:
Djibouti poses much less of a threat to Mombasa due to the latter’s larger hinterland and operational
efficiencies. Mombasa also serves established warehouses and trading facilities for the region. If it wasn’t for
the close proximity of Dar es Salaam to Mombasa, it would have been a major contender to be an East African
hub. Given their close proximity, it is unlikely that both Dar es Salaam and Mombasa will both emerge
as hubs. Given Mombasa’s better hinterland connections and larger throughput, it is more likely to fulfil
the role of a hub, with Dar es Salaam being a significant regional port. It is therefore important for Dar es Salaam
to define its role in providing port services to its hinterland.

=== Highlighted in red -This is where the writer got confused by the queens language, He (the reporter) said that investment in dar port is shutting out Mombasa port to be a hub,. He got that from reading Qoute 2, but quote 2 is actually talking about the opposite, that due to Dar port close proximity to Msa port, Dar is not a major contender to be a hub,, and were it not for Mombasa port bieng close, dar port would have been a major contender, but its not, because Mombasa overshadows dar! =hats what the report is actually saying. NB:Someone should email the reporter and correct him.

Quote 3: Hub Definition : Page 9
Hub ports
Hub ports are large regional container (or break-bulk) ports with high volumes (>2 million TEUs per
annum) and direct shipments carried by very large vessels. In addition to serving a large hinterland, hubs have
a predominance of transshipment volume and terminals that can load containers via a stack from one ship
to another (e.g. Durban, Mombasa, Abidjan and Djibouti) for transfer to other hub ports or smaller feeder
ports.
Although Durban is currently the only example that would qualify as a hub container port in SSA, we believe that
at least one hub port will emerge in both West Africa and East Africa.


Quote 4: page 24
Largest ports
Figure 17 shows the capacity of African container ports in terms of twenty-foot equivalent units (TEUs). Durban is by far the largest port in Southern Africa, Abidjan in West Africa and Mombasa in East Africa. Of these large ports, Abidjan’s likelihood of developing into a major regional hub port is the most vulnerable given the likely future competition from North African (Tangier) and Mediterranean ports.It should be noted that very few sub-Saharan ports can accommodate PostPanamax and Super Panamax vessels.

Quote 5: page 25
10 ports in SSA handle more than 500 000 TEUs per year, and only two of these handle more than a million per year. Only Durban handles more than two million TEUs per year. Almost half of all containers at Southern African ports move through the port of Durban.


=== Currently, only Mombasa port and Durban handle more than 1 million TEUs p.a, So tell me Mr.Geza how is Dar port shutting out Mombasa, when Dar only passed 500k TEU last year when Mombasa has een doing a million since 2014

page 38 figure 27: Mombasa port is the only port from Eastern Africa that features on ports that can offload/upload 30 TEUs per hour to a ship
page 39 figure 29: Quality of port infrastructure rating (out of 7): Kenya 4.2, Tanzania 3.7
page 41 figure 31: Container dwell time (days) : Kenya 5 days, Tanzania 7 Days

Quote 5: page 42
Certain areas are more affected than others. In West Africa, customs clearance seems to be a bigger issue than in East Africa and Southern Africa. LPI survey results are supported by the data in Figure 31, which shows that West African ports such as Tema and Lagos have considerably higher container dwell times than East African ports such as Dar es Salaam and Mombasa, which are on par with South African ports.

===== Ok, the first time I excused the reporter for making a mistake, but now I think he was deliberate, The figure 31, (find the report and read it, I wont moth feed people) clearly shows that Mombasa ports has the second lowest container dwell time at 5 days, Dar port has 4th lowest dwell time, while Durban which is the most efficient port in Africa has a dwell time of 4 days. Butt the reporter goes on to write a whole paragraph of how Mombasa port has one of the longest container dwell times when a pot like port of Sudan has container dwell time of 28 Days!!! Lagos is 22 days

Do I even need to continue after this????? what a waste of my time, Rudini alafu mje tena, this thread was an epic fail
 

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In fact reli ya Tanga Arusha Musoma ikijengwa na bandari za Tanga na Musoma zikifanyiwa maboresho ni dhahiri nusu ya mizigo ya Uganda na mizigo yote ya mikoa ya kaskazini magharibi mwa Tanzania itachukuliwa via hii route.So Mombasa na Mwanza watch out..itakuwa fursa nzuri sana kwa mji wa Musoma na tanga kukua
 
thisdayes said:
Ata BRT yetu mliibeza.. mkatuletea BRT only and the whole world was like [emoji13] [emoji13] [emoji13]
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Sasa Kenya has the longest BRT in this part of Africa. Port kwenyu ni moja na haitoshi mboga so you aint a threat to anyone except to yourselves.
 
Geza Ulole said:
umeelewa nn na hili?
"The 2018 Africa Ports report by audit firm PriceWaterHouseCoopeers (PWC) has noted that the Tanzania government’s determined investment in the Dar port, and the development of other ports in Tanga and Bagamoyo, has greatly shut out Mombasa port as the dominant trade hub in the region. As a result, neighbours in the hinterland such as Uganda and Rwanda are now preferring the Tanzanian ports as transit points for cargo."
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Mtwara
 
Kafrican said:
Una miaka mingi sana hapa jf, by now it should be automatic,any report written released by any org or institution and reported by local media, before coming to post it here, do your due diligence and alteast skim through the original report to see the finer details instead of entirely depending on the journalist version of things. Journerlist want their articles to be read, so they will choose the most dramatic method to write the article inorder t attract you and me....And kenyan journalist are like woodpeckers, they just want to peck, peck, peck at everything and be dramatic about it..

Anywaay, as for the quote you just gave me that is supposedly written in the PWC report that UG,RW prefere Tanzanian ports..... well tha statement does not exist in the report, I have checked... if it does, please tell me which page
The written talks about hub in the context of EA while the PWC report talks about a hub in the context of global shipping .... According to PWC definition of hub, non of the ports in Africa are even near becoming a hub. i.e One big post-panamax ship collects all the imports from Asia coming into Africa and then drops all of the Africa cargo at one port in Africa, then the bulk cargo is broken down inthat particular port and then loaded into panamax ships to be distributed to specific ports around Africa.... Wite now, all this is done in Srilanka port, all cargo from Asia to Africa is brocken down in Srilanka before bieng loaded into ships destined for WestAfrica, East , South AFrica.

But the reort also says tht due to the rise of Africa, more goods will be coming to Africa and Naturally, a few ports within Africa will start to be preferred by shipping lines due to capacity, efficiency connectivity..... And the shipping lines will bring bigge ships to drop cargo into these specific ports to be distributed across Africa... And acording to the current trend, Durban,Abijan and Mombasa have the highest chanes of becoming hubs.
Remember, there can only be one hub within a certain geographical location, one in West Africa, one in East and one in South, then the rest of the ports will serve as feeder ports for the hub.


Quotes from the report:

Quote 1:
PwC’s analysis (see Figure 2) shows that, based on the degree of port centrality
(shipping liner connectivity), the amount of trade passing through a port, and
the size of the hinterland, Durban (South Africa), Abidjan (Cote d’Ivoire) and
Mombasa (Kenya) are most likely to ultimately emerge as the major hubs in
Southern Africa, West Africa and East Africa, respectively (The full set of hub
attractiveness scores is included in Appendix A).


Quote 2:
Djibouti poses much less of a threat to Mombasa due to the latter’s larger hinterland and operational
efficiencies. Mombasa also serves established warehouses and trading facilities for the region. If it wasn’t for
the close proximity of Dar es Salaam to Mombasa, it would have been a major contender to be an East African
hub. Given their close proximity, it is unlikely that both Dar es Salaam and Mombasa will both emerge
as hubs. Given Mombasa’s better hinterland connections and larger throughput, it is more likely to fulfil
the role of a hub, with Dar es Salaam being a significant regional port. It is therefore important for Dar es Salaam
to define its role in providing port services to its hinterland.

=== Highlighted in red -This is where the writer got confused by the queens language, He (the reporter) said that investment in dar port is shutting out Mombasa port to be a hub,. He got that from reading Qoute 2, but quote 2 is actually talking about the opposite, that due to Dar port close proximity to Msa port, Dar is not a major contender to be a hub,, and were it not for Mombasa port bieng close, dar port would have been a major contender, but its not, because Mombasa overshadows dar! =hats what the report is actually saying. NB:Someone should email the reporter and correct him.

Quote 3: Hub Definition : Page 9
Hub ports
Hub ports are large regional container (or break-bulk) ports with high volumes (>2 million TEUs per
annum) and direct shipments carried by very large vessels. In addition to serving a large hinterland, hubs have
a predominance of transshipment volume and terminals that can load containers via a stack from one ship
to another (e.g. Durban, Mombasa, Abidjan and Djibouti) for transfer to other hub ports or smaller feeder
ports.
Although Durban is currently the only example that would qualify as a hub container port in SSA, we believe that
at least one hub port will emerge in both West Africa and East Africa.


Quote 4: page 24
Largest ports
Figure 17 shows the capacity of African container ports in terms of twenty-foot equivalent units (TEUs). Durban is by far the largest port in Southern Africa, Abidjan in West Africa and Mombasa in East Africa. Of these large ports, Abidjan’s likelihood of developing into a major regional hub port is the most vulnerable given the likely future competition from North African (Tangier) and Mediterranean ports.It should be noted that very few sub-Saharan ports can accommodate PostPanamax and Super Panamax vessels.

Quote 5: page 25
10 ports in SSA handle more than 500 000 TEUs per year, and only two of these handle more than a million per year. Only Durban handles more than two million TEUs per year. Almost half of all containers at Southern African ports move through the port of Durban.


=== Currently, only Mombasa port and Durban handle more than 1 million TEUs p.a, So tell me Mr.Geza how is Dar port shutting out Mombasa, when Dar only passed 500k TEU last year when Mombasa has een doing a million since 2014

page 38 figure 27: Mombasa port is the only port from Eastern Africa that features on ports that can offload/upload 30 TEUs per hour to a ship
page 39 figure 29: Quality of port infrastructure rating (out of 7): Kenya 4.2, Tanzania 3.7
page 41 figure 31: Container dwell time (days) : Kenya 5 days, Tanzania 7 Days

Quote 5: page 42
Certain areas are more affected than others. In West Africa, customs clearance seems to be a bigger issue than in East Africa and Southern Africa. LPI survey results are supported by the data in Figure 31, which shows that West African ports such as Tema and Lagos have considerably higher container dwell times than East African ports such as Dar es Salaam and Mombasa, which are on par with South African ports.

===== Ok, the first time I excused the reporter for making a mistake, but now I think he was deliberate, The figure 31, (find the report and read it, I wont moth feed people) clearly shows that Mombasa ports has the second lowest container dwell time at 5 days, Dar port has 4th lowest dwell time, while Durban which is the most efficient port in Africa has a dwell time of 4 days. Butt the reporter goes on to write a whole paragraph of how Mombasa port has one of the longest container dwell times when a pot like port of Sudan has container dwell time of 28 Days!!! Lagos is 22 days

Do I even need to continue after this????? what a waste of my time, Rudini alafu mje tena, this thread was an epic fail
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mwaswast said:
Sasa Kenya has the longest BRT in this part of Africa. Port kwenyu ni moja na haitoshi mboga so you aint a threat to anyone except to yourselves.
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Kwikwikwikwi lack of exposure inakusumbua (LOE disease)
 
ChoiceVariable said:
In fact reli ya Tanga Arusha Musoma ikijengwa na bandari za Tanga na Musoma zikifanyiwa maboresho ni dhahiri nusu ya mizigo ya Uganda na mizigo yote ya mikoa ya kaskazini magharibi mwa Tanzania itachukuliwa via hii route.So Mombasa na Mwanza watch out..itakuwa fursa nzuri sana kwa mji wa Musoma na tanga kukua
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Ungekua ulisoma ripoti ungeelewa kwamba kule tunakokwenda, mizigo ya east side of Africa inavyozidi kuongezeka, itafikia wakati ambapo meli zitachagua bandari moja kubwa na kuleta mizigo yote hapo, alafu bandari zengine zitasambaziwa mizigo yao. Haijalishi ni bandari ngapi mpya mtajenga au tutajenga, kuanzia Djibouti, Somali, Lamu, Mombasa, Tanga, Bagamoyo,Seychelles, Dar hadi Mozambique, Zambia...nk Ni bandari moja tu ndo itaibuka na kuwa mama ya hizi bandari nyengine, ripoti inasema haitajalisha kama hio bandari mama itakua mbali kiasi gani na bandari zengine, itakua more economical hata kama italazimu meli isafiri kilomita 300 zaidi. Lakini kwasasa hakuna bandari yenye uwezo huo mkubwa.

Kuhusu bandari ndogo kama Tanga, ripoti inasema Afadhali bandari kama tanga Iamue kujenga dedicated port, ili iji define kama bandari ya kipeke. Kwa mfano, iwe dedicated oil port, itapata faida na wateja zaidi kuliko mkijenga multipurpose port na kujaribu kushindana na Mombasa ambayo iko na economy of scale
 
Kafrican said:
Ungekua ulisoma ripoti ungeelewa kwamba kule tunakokwenda, mizigo ya east side of Africa inavyozidi kuongezeka, itafikia wakati ambapo meli zitachagua bandari moja kubwa na kuleta mizigo yote hapo, alafu bandari zengine zitasambaziwa mizigo yao. Haijalishi ni bandari ngapi mpya mtajenga au tutajenga, kuanzia Djibouti, Somali, Lamu, Mombasa, Tanga, Bagamoyo,Seychelles, Dar hadi Mozambique, Zambia...nk Ni bandari moja tu ndo itaibuka na kuwa mama ya hizi bandari nyengine, ripoti inasema haitajalisha kama hio bandari mama itakua mbali kiasi gani na bandari zengine, itakua more economical hata kama italazimu meli isafiri kilomita 300 zaidi. Lakini kwasasa hakuna bandari yenye uwezo huo mkubwa.

Kuhusu bandari ndogo kama Tanga, ripoti inasema Afadhali bandari kama tanga Iamue kujenga dedicated port, ili iji define kama bandari ya kipeke. Kwa mfano, iwe dedicated oil port, itapata faida na wateja zaidi kuliko mkijenga multipurpose port na kujaribu kushindana na Mombasa ambayo iko na economy of scale
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Hapo kwa economy of scale umewachanga zaidi.
 
Kafrican said:
Ungekua ulisoma ripoti ungeelewa kwamba kule tunakokwenda, mizigo ya east side of Africa inavyozidi kuongezeka, itafikia wakati ambapo meli zitachagua bandari moja kubwa na kuleta mizigo yote hapo, alafu bandari zengine zitasambaziwa mizigo yao. Haijalishi ni bandari ngapi mpya mtajenga au tutajenga, kuanzia Djibouti, Somali, Lamu, Mombasa, Tanga, Bagamoyo,Seychelles, Dar hadi Mozambique, Zambia...nk Ni bandari moja tu ndo itaibuka na kuwa mama ya hizi bandari nyengine, ripoti inasema haitajalisha kama hio bandari mama itakua mbali kiasi gani na bandari zengine, itakua more economical hata kama italazimu meli isafiri kilomita 300 zaidi. Lakini kwasasa hakuna bandari yenye uwezo huo mkubwa.

Kuhusu bandari ndogo kama Tanga, ripoti inasema Afadhali bandari kama tanga Iamue kujenga dedicated port, ili iji define kama bandari ya kipeke. Kwa mfano, iwe dedicated oil port, itapata faida na wateja zaidi kuliko mkijenga multipurpose port na kujaribu kushindana na Mombasa ambayo iko na economy of scale
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Porojo tu hizo rafiki yangu. Na ukitaka hivyo Tanzania ndiyo ipo na Nafasi kubwa ya issue hiyo maana ipo center ya Bara la Africa (Congo na Tanzania Location zake ni kuligawa bara la Africa into two halves )
 
Kafrican said:
Ungekua ulisoma ripoti ungeelewa kwamba kule tunakokwenda, mizigo ya east side of Africa inavyozidi kuongezeka, itafikia wakati ambapo meli zitachagua bandari moja kubwa na kuleta mizigo yote hapo, alafu bandari zengine zitasambaziwa mizigo yao. Haijalishi ni bandari ngapi mpya mtajenga au tutajenga, kuanzia Djibouti, Somali, Lamu, Mombasa, Tanga, Bagamoyo,Seychelles, Dar hadi Mozambique, Zambia...nk Ni bandari moja tu ndo itaibuka na kuwa mama ya hizi bandari nyengine, ripoti inasema haitajalisha kama hio bandari mama itakua mbali kiasi gani na bandari zengine, itakua more economical hata kama italazimu meli isafiri kilomita 300 zaidi. Lakini kwasasa hakuna bandari yenye uwezo huo mkubwa.

Kuhusu bandari ndogo kama Tanga, ripoti inasema Afadhali bandari kama tanga Iamue kujenga dedicated port, ili iji define kama bandari ya kipeke. Kwa mfano, iwe dedicated oil port, itapata faida na wateja zaidi kuliko mkijenga multipurpose port na kujaribu kushindana na Mombasa ambayo iko na economy of scale
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Kama unayosema ni kweli, basi Bagamoyo port ndiyo itakayoshinda huu mtifuano, kwasababu ikimalizika itakuwa na uwezo mkubwa kuliko Durban na Mombasa au Lamu. Lakini kwa taarifa yako, hizi bandari zetu, hasa Bagamoyo lengo lake ni kushughulika na exports zaidi kuliko imports kama unazokazania wewe. Tanzania tunaanza kuchimba chuma na coal kwa wingi sana, hivyo tunahitaji reli na bandari zenye uwezo wa kusafirisha mizigo mikibwa na mizito sana.

Nchi zilizotuzunguka zote zinashindwa kuchimba minerals zake kutokana na kutokuwepo kwa reli na bandari zenye uwezo mkubwa wa kupokea meli kubwa za kubeba minerals ambazo nyingi ni nzito sana, sisi lengo letu sio kupokea mizigo mingi kutoka nje kama ilivyo ninyi. Ila kwa vyovyote vile, bandari ya Bagamoyo ndiyo itakuwa baba lao, kwahiyo hata hiyo mizigo ya kutoka nje kama unayosema ni kweli(nina uhakika sio kweli, ni porojo za kawaida), bado Mombasa au Lamu hazitokua na nafasi.
 
Bagamoyo is a long forgotten project that will never suffice to see light of day in the next couple of decades.

LDC Tanzania was tasked to raise USD 28 million for compensating people to pave the way for the project.
Reports say, Tanzania managed to get only USD 1.5 million out of the planned but hence failed to compensate all registered people estimated to be 2,180
There are other owners of large tracts who do not reside in the area and are yet to be registered for the compensation.
 
mwaswast said:
Bagamoyo is a long forgotten project that will never suffice to see light of day in the next couple of decades.

LDC Tanzania was tasked to raise USD 28 million for compensating people to pave the way for the project.
Reports say, Tanzania managed to get only USD 1.5 million out of the planned but hence failed to compensate all registered people estimated to be 2,180
There are other owners of large tracts who do not reside in the area and are yet to be registered for the compensation.
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We do plan our projects properly before implementation, we are not like you failed state going to implementation before proper planning. Transporting crude oil by road, LAPSET, and Kisumu to Malaba part of SGR are all categorised as dead on the table projects, that means they died on the table during planning.

Please be close to your cardiovascular doctor with his/her BP machine because by December next year, the first ship will arrive and dock at Bagamoyo port.
TANZANIA'S BAGAMOYO PORT CONSTRUCTION IN GOOD PROGRESS - Gambeta News
 
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