The Atheists Paradox

[Ishmael]

It is good you have mentioned Bacon, then you have many idols, first , purify them. Either you prove or you don't Britain do exist,it is an empirical fact. in other words,it does not depend on your prove or denial.

Do you see how much you suffered intellectual defeat? I told you, people who are informed use evidence in support of claims and not proofs as you construed in your prior posts. You have FAILED to prove to me that "the Britain" exist.

My question was to make the point that "proof" is an unreasonable standard for most things. We give evidences to justify most beliefs, but absolute proof demanded by diabolical non theists is not justified in reason.

You cannot absolutely prove Idd Amin existed. I can always concoct some denial. Yet, there is massive evidence for Idd Amin, so I would never deny Idd Amin existed.

Wherefore, intellectuals justifies claims with evidences and not 'proofs' - as mindless non theists demand.

 

[Ishmael]

descarte,

Let discuss this: Objective moral values and duties ( Is child rape actually wrong - or good for the child rapist)?
What are your opinions?

 

[descarte]

Do you see how much you suffered intellectual defeat? I told you, people who are informed use evidence in support of claims and not proofs as you construed in your prior posts. You have FAILED to prove to me that "the Britain" exist.

My question was to make the point that "proof" is an unreasonable standard for most things. We give evidences to justify most beliefs, but absolute proof demanded by diabolical non theists is not justified in reason.

You cannot absolutely prove Idd Amin existed. I can always concoct some denial. Yet, there is massive evidence for Idd Amin, so I would never deny Idd Amin existed.

Wherefore, intellectuals justifies claims with evidences and not 'proofs' - as mindless non theists demand.

you man, do you know the difference btn proofs and evidence. This is the matter of common use of language,check your dictionary and tell me what is the difference. These words are synonyms, do not just say people who are informed give evidence and not proof. what is evidence and what is proofs

 

[descarte]

descarte,

Let discuss this: Objective moral values and duties ( Is child rape actually wrong - or good for the child rapist)?
What are your opinions? [/QUOTE
First when your question is just meaningless I will frame it for you,when you say is rape actually wrong. this question is just meaningless. you have not said anything apart from expressing your emotions. i would say is child raping immoral? Such a question has meaning
The answer is obviously yes because it does not respect the intrinsic value of human life.

 

[Ishmael]

Let discuss this: Objective moral values and duties ( Is child rape actually wrong - or good for the child rapist)?
What are your opinions? [/QUOTE
First when your question is just meaningless I will frame it for you,when you say is rape actually wrong. this question is just meaningless. you have not said every apart from expressing your emotions. i would say is child raping immora?
The answer is obviously yes because it does not respect the intrinsic value of human life.

Why is it meaningless for someone to know if rape of minor is wrong? By the way, raping children is not showing emotions as you construed above, in contrast, is acting against nature and/or transgressing the laws of natures.

Now, since you said, child rape is wrong by using the word "yes", what laws or formula did you use since morality can not exist without God?

 

[Ishmael]

you man, do you know the difference btn proofs and evidence. This is the matter of common use of language,check your dictionary and tell me what is the difference. These words are synonyms, do not just say people who are informed give evidence and not proof. what is evidence and what is proofs

You can not prove that Idd Amin existed but you can give evidence of his existence, in contrast, I can prove that [base ten addition of 1 and 1 = 2] or the binary addition of 1 and 1 is 10, that is why I said, only few things can be proved.

 

[descarte]

Why is it meaningless for someone to know if rape of minor is wrong? By the way, raping children is not showing emotions as you construed above, in contrast, is acting against nature and/or transgressing the laws of natures.

Now, since you said, child rape is wrong by using the word "yes", what laws or formula did you use since morality can not exist without God?

Anyway that was not ma point of argument I was just reminding you to put well questions next time, I said it is immoral because the act does not respect the intrinsic value of human(Human dignity)

 

[Ishmael]

Anyway that was not ma point of argument I was just reminding you to put well questions next time, I said it is immoral because the act does not respect the intrinsic value of human(Human dignity)

But the person who is raping is enjoying doing it, and since there is no wrong or wright, why do you think is immoral and according to what? Why is the child rapist morally culpable when he has no free-will choice?

When a cheetah kills a gazelle he does not murder the gazelle. When a hyena takes food from another animal, he does not steal the food. When animals force sex on other animals, they don't 'rape'. So, why is it wrong to humans?

 

[descarte]

But the person who is raping is enjoying doing it, and since there is no wrong or wright, why do you think is immoral and according to what? Why is the child rapist morally culpable when he has no free-will choice?

When a cheetah kills a gazelle he does not murder the gazelle. When a hyena takes food from another animal, he does not steal the food. When animals force sex on other animals, they don't 'rape'. So, why is it wrong to humans?

That is why i said you cannot say raping is wrong but raping is immoral because the rapist has not respected the human dignity of a child,he should be responsible for the act because he choose freely.
Concerning animals, it is obvious that they do not have rationality and they do not have freewill therefore they cannot be responsible for their act.
It seems you have not got me well on issue concerning morality. I view morality from humanistic point of view that every human being has human dignity. Then what is human dignity?It can be understood into two principles which are mutually connected.
First,intrinsic value which is equal to all people,no one can claim to have more dignity than the other
Second the principle of personal responsibility that every has an right to live a good life according to his or her conviction in respect to other people's dignity.
Therefore,Human dignity is the foundation of every moral principle cuz it tells us what we ought to treat others

 

[descarte]

You can not prove that Idd Amin existed but you can give evidence of his existence, in contrast, I can prove that [base ten addition of 1 and 1 = 2] or the binary addition of 1 and 1 is 10, that is why I said, only few things can be proved.

What is the difference of those two words?cuz they can be used interchangeably

 

[Ishmael]

What is the difference of those two words?cuz they can be used interchangeably

You need to go to school

 

[Ishmael]

That is why i said you cannot say raping is wrong but raping is immoral because the rapist has not respected the human dignity of a child,he should be responsible for the act because he choose freely.
Concerning animals, it is obvious that they do not have rationality and they do not have freewill therefore they cannot be responsible for their act.
It seems you have not got me well on issue concerning morality. I view morality from humanistic point of view that every human being has human dignity. Then what is human dignity?It can be understood into two principles which are mutually connected.
First,intrinsic value which is equal to all people,no one can claim to have more dignity than the other
Second the principle of personal responsibility that every has an right to live a good life according to his or her conviction in respect to other people's dignity.
Therefore,Human dignity is the foundation of every moral principle cuz it tells us what we ought to treat others

You must be kidding me.

 

[descarte]

You need to go to school

you have not answered anything young man,I am sorry to say that

 

[descarte]

You must be kidding me.

That is it you better believe!!!!!!!

 

[bona]

You are absolutely wrong, I am not a follower of any religion. I follow Christ Jesus who is the God of the Universe, whether you like or not, it is like that.

Furthermore, I am not sure what do you mean by balanced world while there are non theists who hates God without a reason. Anyways, Christianity is not a religion and nerve will be one.

mungu gan anatandikwa viboko mbele ya kadamnasi??? anali lia ovyo kama mtoto mdogo? kabla watu hawajamtight mungu analia akiomba msaada asikamatwe ili asichapwe viboko? kweli kuna mungu wa ivi? For your information jesus was just a rebel leader who was caught up with the authorities and got punished by the law hence to claim such a man is a God unatakiwa kweli uwe na ubongo wa samaki!!!

 

[Ishmael]

mungu gan anatandikwa viboko mbele ya kadamnasi??? anali lia ovyo kama mtoto mdogo? kabla watu hawajamtight mungu analia akiomba msaada asikamatwe ili asichapwe viboko? kweli kuna mungu wa ivi? For your information jesus was just a rebel leader who was caught up with the authorities and got punished by the law hence to claim such a man is a God unatakiwa kweli uwe na ubongo wa samaki!!!

Hata Quran yako iliyo jaa shaka inapingana na chuki zako zilizo nyepesi kama mkojo wa Ngamia mnao kunywa Macca.
1. Quran haina aya inayo sema kuwa Yesu ali lia na au kufa.
2. Biblia ina aya inayosema kuwa Yesu ni Mungu na dada yako FaizaFoxy amesha salimu amri baada ya kusoma aya zilizo teremshwa na Mwenyezi Mungu.
3. Biblia inakiri kuwa Yesu hakufanya dhambi na hata Quran inakiri hivyo na kaka yako Nonda nakaribia kumbatiza baada ya kuelewa kuwa Muhammad alikuwa mtenda dhambi.
4. Biblia inakiri kuwa Mungu anaweza yote ndio maana aliweza kuvaa mwili wa bindamu, lakini Quran inakiri kuwa Allah sio akbar maana hana uwezo wa kuwa na Mwana bila ya Mke. Huo ni Msiba kwenu.

 

[Ishmael]

you have not answered anything young man,I am sorry to say that

You asked : What are the difference between those two. What are those two?

 

[Ishmael]

That is it you better believe!!!!!!!

Are you a believer now? I need evidence that are verifiable and or refutations that there is no God.

 

[descarte]

You asked : What are the difference between those two. What are those two?

you are asking me the qn i asked.haaaaaah

 

[Ishmael]

you are asking me the qn i asked.haaaaaah

Your question asked and or requested nothing but "those two" what are those two?