The Bible Fraud & Secret in the bible...!!!

[Gavana]

Mambo Vipi Gavana. Pole na Ratiba yako, najua sasa hivi utakua unapiga msosi.

Uchambuzi ulioufanya laiti ingekua kwenye Quran usingethubutu kukataa kitu umesoma mwenyewe. Andiko linavyosema.!!.

Usiwe na shingo ngumu kama farisayo.


Nasema hivi, kwasababu mwishowe umepinga kilivyoandikwa, ukijaribu kuongeza tafsiri ya kichwani kwako, ndani Bibilia Takatifu. Anyway mgiriki wa Tanzania. ..


Na Pia umenishangaza, ulivyohusianisha andiko hilo na namna jinsi Mwenyezi Mungu alivyojitambulisha kwa Moses.

Ni Kitu ambacho sijakisema popote. Umehamua Kuzua tu wewe mwenyewe..'Uzushi" ambao sijaeleza.



Mwisho Punguza CopyCat. Be yourself.


Cha msingi hapo Yesu amejibu Hoja iliyotolewa na Mafarisayo. Na hoja Ya Yesu inaonyesha kuwaingia vyema wale Mafarisayo kiasi cha wao kutamani kumpiga mawe.

Na pia Ukitaka kuelewa Vyema. Anzia kwenye msingi wa Swali la Mafarisayo.?. Usitilie mkazo jibu tu peke yake.

Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad

Tulia nilijuwa utakuja kwa gia ya angani


The Greek texts of John 8:58:

Let us look at John 8:58 in Greek:

58 εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί.

ἐγὼ (egó) was translated as I.

εἰμί (eimi) was translated as am.

• According to Strong's Greek Dictionary, eimi (εἰμί or εἰμὶ) means:
  
  "am, have been, it is I, was.
  
  The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic) -- am, have been, X it is I, was. See also ei, eien, einai, heis kath heis, en, esomai, esmen, este, esti, kerdos, isthi, o."
  
  "NASB Word Usage
  accompanied* (1), accompany* (2), am (138), amount (1), amounts (1), appear* (1), asserted* (1), become* (5), been (45), been* (1), being (26), belong (3), belonged* (1), belonging (1), belonging* (1), belongs (4), bring* (1), came (1), come (5), consist (1), crave* (1), depends* (1), do (1), done* (1), exist (3), existed (4), existed* (1), falls (1), found (1), had (8), happen (4), have (2), have come (1), lived (1), mean (1), mean* (2), means (7), meant (2), originate (1), owns (1), remain (3), remained (1), rest (1), sided (1), stayed (2), themselves (1), there (6), turn (1)."

• Also, according to Strong's Greek Dictionary, egó (ἐγώ) means:
  
  "I, me.
  
  A primary pronoun of the first person I (only expressed when emphatic) -- I, me. For the other cases and the plural see eme, emoi, emou, hemas, hemeis, hemin, hemon, etc."

• Also, according to Kypros.org's dictionary, eimai (είμαι), which is a sister word of eimi (εἰμί), means "have". The following examples prove this:
  
  - "have a good head for" reads in Greek as:
  
  είμαι καλός σε, θυμάμαι καλά (eimai kalos se, thymamai kala)
  
  - "have one's hands full"
  
  είμαι απασχολημένος (eimai apascholimenos)

• Also, the same dictionary, Kypros.org's dictionary, declares that eimai (είμαι) also means "am":
  
  - am = είμαι, έιμαι
  eimai, eimai
  

• Also, according to the otenet.gr online dictionary, eimai (είμαι) also means "I am":
  
  - είμαι υπόχρεως = I am indebted

So eimi (εἰμί) and eimai (είμαι) can mean have, am, and few other meanings depending on the sentence and the context.

See the following for more proofs regarding eimi (εἰμί).



Furthermore, in other verses in the New Testament, the Greek of the latter word was translated as "have":

1- John 3:28 αὐτοὶ ὑμεῖς μοι μαρτυρεῖτε ὅτι εἶπον ἐγὼ / ὅτι· οὐκ εἰμὶ ἐγὼ ὁ Χριστός, ἀλλ' ὅτι ἀπεσταλμένος εἰμὶ ἔμπροσθεν ἐκείνου.

"You yourselves testify that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent before him.'"

Furthermore, the following ample English translations further confirm this:

1. John 3:28 (New American Standard Bible)
   28 "You yourselves are my witnesses that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent ahead of Him.'
   
2. John 3:28 (Amplified Bible)
   28 You yourselves are my witnesses [you personally bear me out] that I stated, I am not the Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), but I have [only] been sent before Him [in advance of Him, to be His appointed forerunner, His messenger, His announcer].
   
3. John 3:28 (English Standard Version)
   28You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, 'I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before him.'
   
4. John 3:28 (New King James Version)
   28 You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’
   
5. John 3:28 (Young's Literal Translation)
   28 ye yourselves do testify to me that I said, I am not the Christ, but, that I am having been sent before him;
   
6. John 3:28 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
   28 You yourselves can testify that I said, 'I am not the Messiah, but I've been sent ahead of Him.'
   
7. John 3:28 (New International Reader's Version)
   28 You yourselves are witnesses that I said, 'I am not the Christ. I was sent ahead of him.'
   
8. John 3:28 (Worldwide English (New Testament))
   28 You yourselves heard what I said. I am not the Christ but I have been sent ahead of the Christ.

So what did we learn here?

1- εἰμὶ, while it means "am", but it could also mean "have been, was", or be used in reference to something that happened in the past (before the present).

2- As I already demonstrated in the previous main-section, the context of Jesus' response clearly and indisputably referred to Jesus have already seen Abraham before the latter was even born.

3- So even if you still insist on translating it as "I am", you still couldn't deny that in both John 3:28 and John 8:58, above, the "I am" was 100% referring to the past, which in English it would be "I have".

4- In all of this, there is not a shred of evidence that suggests that Jesus was declaring to be the "I am What I am" of Yahweh Almighty in Exodus 3.

• Even Yahweh's Statement in Exodus 3 is not only unique to Him. How many billions and trillions of times did humans throughout history and their lives say I am what I am, or I am who I am? How times did people say things such as: "Accept me for who I am" and other endless similar statements?

5- It is clear that those who insist on magnifying Jesus to this level (the level of Exodus 3), have no evidence whatsoever to support their claim, and they are nothing but desperate blasphemers. They constantly take gigantic leaps in blasphemy to prove their false religion of "conjecture", christianity, which Allah Almighty Had summed up this entire false religion into this Word.

Indeed, the false religion of christianity is no more than a conjecture of men!




(a)- Jesus didn't even say it in Greek!

Let us also not forget a very very important point here, and that is Jesus did not even speak these words in Greek. He spoke them in Aramaic, and we do not have the original texts of Jesus' words. According to the Bible's own theologians, the Bible's books and gospels [2] [3] were:

1. Written by mysterious men.
2. Written by an unknown number of men.
3. Written in unknown places.
4. Written in unknown dates.
5. Contain "fictions", and the original manuscripts "had been lost", and contain "fairy tails and fables".

What we have today from Greek is a mere translation to what Jesus Christ had supposedly said. Translations are not originals. Thus, we don't even know what Jesus said in Aramaic to begin with. So the bottom line here is this:

1- The trinitarians have yet to prove that Jesus did say "I am" in Aramaic.

2- Jesus did refer to himself as the "I AM" of Yahweh Almighty in Exodus 3:14.

Not only that, but as I explained above, it is odd that when Jesus decided to unveil his real deity, and claimed to be the "I AM", he ran from the group of people who wanted to beat him up! This all happened right after Jesus supposedly gave his Ultimate Statement about his real deity! Of course, Jesus never gave such statement (the I AM in Exodus 3:14). This is only the trinitarians' desperate wishes and blasphemies. But what matters here is you! Do you see how twisted and blasphemous the trinitarians' logic is?

 

[2013]

Tulia nilijuwa utakuja kwa gia ya angani


The Greek texts of John 8:58:

Let us look at John 8:58 in Greek:

58 εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί.

ἐγὼ (egó) was translated as I.

εἰμί (eimi) was translated as am.

• According to Strong's Greek Dictionary, eimi (εἰμί or εἰμὶ) means:
  
  "am, have been, it is I, was.
  
  The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic) -- am, have been, X it is I, was. See also ei, eien, einai, heis kath heis, en, esomai, esmen, este, esti, kerdos, isthi, o."
  
  "NASB Word Usage
  accompanied* (1), accompany* (2), am (138), amount (1), amounts (1), appear* (1), asserted* (1), become* (5), been (45), been* (1), being (26), belong (3), belonged* (1), belonging (1), belonging* (1), belongs (4), bring* (1), came (1), come (5), consist (1), crave* (1), depends* (1), do (1), done* (1), exist (3), existed (4), existed* (1), falls (1), found (1), had (8), happen (4), have (2), have come (1), lived (1), mean (1), mean* (2), means (7), meant (2), originate (1), owns (1), remain (3), remained (1), rest (1), sided (1), stayed (2), themselves (1), there (6), turn (1)."

• Also, according to Strong's Greek Dictionary, egó (ἐγώ) means:
  
  "I, me.
  
  A primary pronoun of the first person I (only expressed when emphatic) -- I, me. For the other cases and the plural see eme, emoi, emou, hemas, hemeis, hemin, hemon, etc."

• Also, according to Kypros.org's dictionary, eimai (είμαι), which is a sister word of eimi (εἰμί), means "have". The following examples prove this:
  
  - "have a good head for" reads in Greek as:
  
  είμαι καλός σε, θυμάμαι καλά (eimai kalos se, thymamai kala)
  
  - "have one's hands full"
  
  είμαι απασχολημένος (eimai apascholimenos)

• Also, the same dictionary, Kypros.org's dictionary, declares that eimai (είμαι) also means "am":
  
  - am = είμαι, έιμαι
  eimai, eimai
  

• Also, according to the otenet.gr online dictionary, eimai (είμαι) also means "I am":
  
  - είμαι υπόχρεως = I am indebted

So eimi (εἰμί) and eimai (είμαι) can mean have, am, and few other meanings depending on the sentence and the context.

See the following for more proofs regarding eimi (εἰμί).



Furthermore, in other verses in the New Testament, the Greek of the latter word was translated as "have":

1- John 3:28 αὐτοὶ ὑμεῖς μοι μαρτυρεῖτε ὅτι εἶπον ἐγὼ / ὅτι· οὐκ εἰμὶ ἐγὼ ὁ Χριστός, ἀλλ' ὅτι ἀπεσταλμένος εἰμὶ ἔμπροσθεν ἐκείνου.

"You yourselves testify that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent before him.'"

Furthermore, the following ample English translations further confirm this:

1. John 3:28 (New American Standard Bible)
   28 "You yourselves are my witnesses that I said, 'I am not the Christ,' but, 'I have been sent ahead of Him.'
   
2. John 3:28 (Amplified Bible)
   28 You yourselves are my witnesses [you personally bear me out] that I stated, I am not the Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), but I have [only] been sent before Him [in advance of Him, to be His appointed forerunner, His messenger, His announcer].
   
3. John 3:28 (English Standard Version)
   28You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, 'I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before him.'
   
4. John 3:28 (New King James Version)
   28 You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’
   
5. John 3:28 (Young's Literal Translation)
   28 ye yourselves do testify to me that I said, I am not the Christ, but, that I am having been sent before him;
   
6. John 3:28 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
   28 You yourselves can testify that I said, 'I am not the Messiah, but I've been sent ahead of Him.'
   
7. John 3:28 (New International Reader's Version)
   28 You yourselves are witnesses that I said, 'I am not the Christ. I was sent ahead of him.'
   
8. John 3:28 (Worldwide English (New Testament))
   28 You yourselves heard what I said. I am not the Christ but I have been sent ahead of the Christ.

So what did we learn here?

1- εἰμὶ, while it means "am", but it could also mean "have been, was", or be used in reference to something that happened in the past (before the present).

2- As I already demonstrated in the previous main-section, the context of Jesus' response clearly and indisputably referred to Jesus have already seen Abraham before the latter was even born.

3- So even if you still insist on translating it as "I am", you still couldn't deny that in both John 3:28 and John 8:58, above, the "I am" was 100% referring to the past, which in English it would be "I have".

4- In all of this, there is not a shred of evidence that suggests that Jesus was declaring to be the "I am What I am" of Yahweh Almighty in Exodus 3.

• Even Yahweh's Statement in Exodus 3 is not only unique to Him. How many billions and trillions of times did humans throughout history and their lives say I am what I am, or I am who I am? How times did people say things such as: "Accept me for who I am" and other endless similar statements?

5- It is clear that those who insist on magnifying Jesus to this level (the level of Exodus 3), have no evidence whatsoever to support their claim, and they are nothing but desperate blasphemers. They constantly take gigantic leaps in blasphemy to prove their false religion of "conjecture", christianity, which Allah Almighty Had summed up this entire false religion into this Word.

Indeed, the false religion of christianity is no more than a conjecture of men!




(a)- Jesus didn't even say it in Greek!

Let us also not forget a very very important point here, and that is Jesus did not even speak these words in Greek. He spoke them in Aramaic, and we do not have the original texts of Jesus' words. According to the Bible's own theologians, the Bible's books and gospels [2] [3] were:

1. Written by mysterious men.
2. Written by an unknown number of men.
3. Written in unknown places.
4. Written in unknown dates.
5. Contain "fictions", and the original manuscripts "had been lost", and contain "fairy tails and fables".

What we have today from Greek is a mere translation to what Jesus Christ had supposedly said. Translations are not originals. Thus, we don't even know what Jesus said in Aramaic to begin with. So the bottom line here is this:

1- The trinitarians have yet to prove that Jesus did say "I am" in Aramaic.

2- Jesus did refer to himself as the "I AM" of Yahweh Almighty in Exodus 3:14.

Not only that, but as I explained above, it is odd that when Jesus decided to unveil his real deity, and claimed to be the "I AM", he ran from the group of people who wanted to beat him up! This all happened right after Jesus supposedly gave his Ultimate Statement about his real deity! Of course, Jesus never gave such statement (the I AM in Exodus 3:14). This is only the trinitarians' desperate wishes and blasphemies. But what matters here is you! Do you see how twisted and blasphemous the trinitarians' logic is?

Naona umeleta ufundi wa Lugha, usioijua.

Mosi, nakuruhusu;-
Weka hiyo 'I have', unayotaka iwepo. kisha ipe tafsiri yake. Hapa. Ondoa hiyo 'I am.'


Pili Niambie sababu kwanini walitaka kumpiga mawe?.




Then..
Niambie

 

[Gavana]

Mi naona umeleta ufundi wa Lugha. Ambapo umeigeuza lugha kua rigid. Labda uniambie kwanini walitaka kumpiga mawe?.

Let us look at what he said that caused the Jews to try to stone him:

"'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!' At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. (From the NIV Bible, John 8:58-59)"

Jesus existing before Abraham doesn't prove that he is GOD Almighty.

In the Old Testament, the Bible presents Jeremiah as being a prophet before he was conceived in his mother's womb; "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)" Yet no one says that his pre-human existence qualifies him for deity.

And as to "I am" that Jesus used, no it wasn't the same "I am" that GOD Almighty used in the Old Testament. GOD used "HO ON", while Jesus used "EGO EIMI".

If Jesus wanted to tell the Jews that he was claiming to be God he should have at least remained consistent in the use of words or the whole point is lost. How many people in that age would have said "I am," in answer to questions in everyday life. Billions. Are they all gods? Of course not!

"Read my post above"

Another similar incident where Jesus was going to be stoned is Jesus saying "I and the Father are One."

The Jews thought in John 10:30-33 that Jesus claimed to be God. He responded to them by saying:

"Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken--what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? (From the NIV Bible, John 10:34-36)"

At first, they thought Jesus was claiming to be GOD. Then, he refuted them by saying that he only claimed to be the Son of God, as GOD Almighty had many Sons in the Bible before Jesus.

Again, there is no proof what so ever that Jesus peace be upon him was GOD Almighty or the Creator of the Universe.

 

[2013]

Let us look at what he said that caused the Jews to try to stone him:

"'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!' At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. (From the NIV Bible, John 8:58-59)"

Jesus existing before Abraham doesn't prove that he is GOD Almighty.

In the Old Testament, the Bible presents Jeremiah as being a prophet before he was conceived in his mother's womb; "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)" Yet no one says that his pre-human existence qualifies him for deity.

And as to "I am" that Jesus used, no it wasn't the same "I am" that GOD Almighty used in the Old Testament. GOD used "HO ON", while Jesus used "EGO EIMI".

If Jesus wanted to tell the Jews that he was claiming to be God he should have at least remained consistent in the use of words or the whole point is lost. How many people in that age would have said "I am," in answer to questions in everyday life. Billions. Are they all gods? Of course not!

"Read my post above"

Another similar incident where Jesus was going to be stoned is Jesus saying "I and the Father are One."

The Jews thought in John 10:30-33 that Jesus claimed to be God. He responded to them by saying:

"Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken--what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? (From the NIV Bible, John 10:34-36)"

At first, they thought Jesus was claiming to be GOD. Then, he refuted them by saying that he only claimed to be the Son of God, as GOD Almighty had many Sons in the Bible before Jesus.

Again, there is no proof what so ever that Jesus peace be upon him was GOD Almighty or the Creator of the Universe.

Kwahiyo, Ndio maana wakataka kumpiga Yesu Mawe sio?. Lakini Jeremiah hakupigwa mawe

Don't make me Laugh loud again.,
Stop embarrasing your self. Ukweli utabaki kua ukweli. Ha ha ha ha

 

[Gavana]

Kwahiyo, Ndio maana wakataka kumpiga Yesu Mawe sio?. Lakini Jeremiah hakupigwa mawe

Don't make ne Laugh again.,
Stop embarrasing your self. Ukweli utabaki kua ukweli. Ha ha ha ha

Kwani kila anayetaka kupigwa mawe anakuwa Mungu ???

Hapa tunaongea tamko la yesu "before Abraham was born, I am!'

 

[Gavana]

Kwahiyo, Ndio maana wakataka kumpiga Yesu Mawe sio?. Lakini Jeremiah hakupigwa mawe

Don't make me Laugh loud again.,
Stop embarrasing your self. Ukweli utabaki kua ukweli. Ha ha ha ha

Question: Is the author of the Gospel of John claiming that Jesus is part of a tri-unity god when he has Jesus say, "before Abraham came into being, I am" (John 8:58)?

Answer: John 8:56-58 states: "'Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.' The Jews therefore said to him: 'You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?' Jesus said to them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came into being, I am.'"

Trinitarians argue that the Greek words ego eimi ("I am"), allegedly spoken by Jesus (John 8:58), indicate that Jesus is God (see also John 8:24, 28). They arrive at their contention by connecting the phrase "I am" with the words spoken by God in Exodus 3:14 and often translated: "I AM THAT I AM . . . . Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: I AM has sent me to you." However, the literal and proper translation of this verse is: I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE. . . . Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: I WILL BE has sent me to you."

Since the author of the Gospel of John utilized the Greek Septuagint translation of the Bible in his writings, it cannot be assumed that John's Jesus is referring to the words in Exodus 3:14. Although Jesus actually spoke in Hebrew or Aramaic, not Greek, John recorded Jesus' alleged words in Greek. Ego eimi ("I am"), used by John's Jesus, is not the same as ho on ("The Being, The One Who Is"), which is used in the Septuagint's rendering of Exodus 3:14: "And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and He said, Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: THE BEING has sent me to you."

Even though ho on appears in the Gospel of John, it is never used as a title or name or exclusively as a reference to Jesus. In the Book of Revelation, also credited to John by Christian commentators, ho on appears five times (Revelation 1:4, 8; 4:8; 11:17; 16:5). Significantly, in each instance, it is used as a title or designation applied to God, not Jesus.

Thus: "John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is [ho on] and who was and who is to come; and from the seven spirits who are before His throne" (Revelation 1:4).

That this verse refers to God and not Jesus is seen from the following verse, which continues the greeting by now including Jesus as one of those sending greetings. Hence, John says, in verses 4 and 5, that greetings are sent by God, the seven spirits, and Jesus.

In verse 8, John writes: "'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lord God, 'who is [ho on] and who was and who is to come, the Almighty'" (Revelation 1:8).

This verse also speaks of God, not Jesus. In Revelation 4:8, ho on is applied to "the Lord God, the Almighty," not Jesus, who, as the "Lamb" referred to in Revelation 5:6-7, comes to God, who is sitting on His throne.

That they are two separate entities is seen from Revelation 5:13: "To the one sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever

In addition, ho on is applied to the "Lord God, the Almighty," not Jesus, in Revelation 11:17 and Revelation 16:5. That ho on in Revelation 16:5 refers to God and not Jesus can be seen from verse 7, which, referring to the subject of verses 5 and 6, states: "And I heard the altar saying: 'Yes, Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments.'"

These are further indications that ho on and ego eimi are not used as synonymous terms by John. In John 8:56-58, John is expounding his belief that Jesus had a prehuman existence as an angelic being in heaven. John's Jesus is proclaiming here that this prehuman existence began before Abraham was born: "Before Abraham came into being, I am."

The fact of the matter is that the text does not at all indicate how long Jesus supposedly lived before Abraham. In no honest way can John's statement be taken to identify Jesus as God.

 

[2013]

Question: Is the author of the Gospel of John claiming that Jesus is part of a tri-unity god when he has Jesus say, "before Abraham came into being, I am" (John 8:58)?

Answer: John 8:56-58 states: "'Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.' The Jews therefore said to him: 'You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?' Jesus said to them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came into being, I am.'"

Trinitarians argue that the Greek words ego eimi ("I am"), allegedly spoken by Jesus (John 8:58), indicate that Jesus is God (see also John 8:24, 28). They arrive at their contention by connecting the phrase "I am" with the words spoken by God in Exodus 3:14 and often translated: "I AM THAT I AM . . . . Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: I AM has sent me to you." However, the literal and proper translation of this verse is: I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE. . . . Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: I WILL BE has sent me to you."

Since the author of the Gospel of John utilized the Greek Septuagint translation of the Bible in his writings, it cannot be assumed that John's Jesus is referring to the words in Exodus 3:14. Although Jesus actually spoke in Hebrew or Aramaic, not Greek, John recorded Jesus' alleged words in Greek. Ego eimi ("I am"), used by John's Jesus, is not the same as ho on ("The Being, The One Who Is"), which is used in the Septuagint's rendering of Exodus 3:14: "And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and He said, Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: THE BEING has sent me to you."

Even though ho on appears in the Gospel of John, it is never used as a title or name or exclusively as a reference to Jesus. In the Book of Revelation, also credited to John by Christian commentators, ho on appears five times (Revelation 1:4, 8; 4:8; 11:17; 16:5). Significantly, in each instance, it is used as a title or designation applied to God, not Jesus.

Thus: "John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is [ho on] and who was and who is to come; and from the seven spirits who are before His throne" (Revelation 1:4).

That this verse refers to God and not Jesus is seen from the following verse, which continues the greeting by now including Jesus as one of those sending greetings. Hence, John says, in verses 4 and 5, that greetings are sent by God, the seven spirits, and Jesus.

In verse 8, John writes: "'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lord God, 'who is [ho on] and who was and who is to come, the Almighty'" (Revelation 1:8).

This verse also speaks of God, not Jesus. In Revelation 4:8, ho on is applied to "the Lord God, the Almighty," not Jesus, who, as the "Lamb" referred to in Revelation 5:6-7, comes to God, who is sitting on His throne.

That they are two separate entities is seen from Revelation 5:13: "To the one sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever

In addition, ho on is applied to the "Lord God, the Almighty," not Jesus, in Revelation 11:17 and Revelation 16:5. That ho on in Revelation 16:5 refers to God and not Jesus can be seen from verse 7, which, referring to the subject of verses 5 and 6, states: "And I heard the altar saying: 'Yes, Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments.'"

These are further indications that ho on and ego eimi are not used as synonymous terms by John. In John 8:56-58, John is expounding his belief that Jesus had a prehuman existence as an angelic being in heaven. John's Jesus is proclaiming here that this prehuman existence began before Abraham was born: "Before Abraham came into being, I am."

The fact of the matter is that the text does not at all indicate how long Jesus supposedly lived before Abraham. In no honest way can John's statement be taken to identify Jesus as God.

Kwahiyo Wayahudi walimchagua Yesu peke yake ndio wa kumpiga Mawe sio?.
Okay. ..


To make life easier, jinsi vile unaamini,

Nipe tafsiri ya hilo ANDIKO..To close the case
Be straight tafadhali. Ili tuweze kujua sababu ya Yesu kuchaguliwa peke yake kupigwa Mawe.

 

[Gavana]

Kwahiyo Wayahudi walimchagua Yesu peke yake ndio wa kumpiga Mawe sio?.
Okay. ..


To make life easier, jinsi vile unaamini,

Nipe tafsiri ya hilo ANDIKO..To close the case
Be straight tafadhali. Ili tuweze kujua sababu ya Yesu kuchaguliwa peke yake kupigwa Mawe.

Mayahudi hawajampiga mawe yesu tu kwa kumchagua wamuwauwa hata mitume wengine, hawachagui unapowakosoa watakushughulikia


So what did Jesus say or do to cause the Jews to try to stone him?

The Jews stoned and killed many Prophets of GOD Almighty.

These Prophets were not GOD or part of GOD. Jesus is no different.

He too was rejected by the Jews when he brought the Truth to them.

Let us look at what he said that caused the Jews to try to stone him:

"'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!' At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. (From the NIV Bible, John 8:58-59)"

Jesus existing before Abraham doesn't prove that he is GOD Almighty.

In the Old Testament, the Bible presents Jeremiah as being a prophet before he was conceived in his mother's womb;

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)"

Yet no one says that his pre-human existence qualifies him for deity.

And as to "I am" that Jesus used, no it wasn't the same "I am" that GOD Almighty used in the Old Testament.

GOD used "HO ON", while Jesus used "EGO EIMI".

If Jesus wanted to tell the Jews that he was claiming to be God he should have at least remained consistent in the use of words or the whole point is lost.

How many people in that age would have said "I am," in answer to questions in everyday life. Billions.

Are they all gods? Of course not!

 

[2013]

Mayahudi hawajampiga mawe yesu tu kwa kumchagua wamuwauwa hata mitume wengine, hawachagui unapowakosoa watakushughulikia


So what did Jesus say or do to cause the Jews to try to stone him?

The Jews stoned and killed many Prophets of GOD Almighty.

These Prophets were not GOD or part of GOD. Jesus is no different.

He too was rejected by the Jews when he brought the Truth to them.

Let us look at what he said that caused the Jews to try to stone him:

"'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!' At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. (From the NIV Bible, John 8:58-59)"

Jesus existing before Abraham doesn't prove that he is GOD Almighty.

In the Old Testament, the Bible presents Jeremiah as being a prophet before he was conceived in his mother's womb;

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)"

Yet no one says that his pre-human existence qualifies him for deity.

And as to "I am" that Jesus used, no it wasn't the same "I am" that GOD Almighty used in the Old Testament.

GOD used "HO ON", while Jesus used "EGO EIMI".

If Jesus wanted to tell the Jews that he was claiming to be God he should have at least remained consistent in the use of words or the whole point is lost.

How many people in that age would have said "I am," in answer to questions in everyday life. Billions.

Are they all gods? Of course not!

Mpaka hapa sijakuelewa. Manake unazidi kuipanua Hoja. Lakini haujibu Swali. Naona unapenda ubishnani. Case closed.

 

[Khalifavinnie]

Sumarian ndio akina nani hao mkuu,Ustaarabu umeanza Egypt,Wagiriki ndio wakapeleka ustaarabu waliouona Egpt Ulaya..

Mkuu kwa ufupi Sumerians ni watu walioishi kusini mwa "Mesopotamia" kwa sasa hiyo nchi inaitwa Iraq,,walijenga miji mingi sehemu ya kusini mwa Iraq(Mesopotamia)mpaka kufikia miaka ya 1700 BC,walipofukuzwa na "Babylonian"..

Inasemekana Nabii Abraham(Ibrahim) alikuwa Sumarien alizaliwa sehemu inaitwa Ur, lakini hata hivyo Ibrahim alihama na mkewe Sarai na Mpwa wake Lot,walichokuwa na kila walichonacho na kuhamia Cannan(Lebanon/Israel)

Vilevile historia inasema Ibrahim alikwenda kushangaa Egypt na akapewa mke huko alieitwa Hagar

Sasa mkuu hiyo miji ya hawa "Sumerians" je bado iko Iraq,!??Ustaarabu gani walioleta duniani!??Kama hujui kabla ya hawa "Sumerians" kulikuwa na watu wengine na ustaarabu wao wa sehemu zao tu,..Mkuu watu walioleta ustaarabu duniani ni watu wa Egypt..

Unasoma biblia vipande vipande,soma uunganishe "dots" ili upate kufahamu

Nakuona unavyopotoka bibilia husomo waliopumbazwa akili.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Kwa majibu ya hayo yote someni Qur'an.

 

[Mnabuduhe]

Habari za wakati huu wakuu,
Kwanza kabla yayote labda nitamke tu rasmi kwamba mimi ni muumini wa dini ya kikristu na dhima ya uzi huu sio ku-criticize our faith (for those Christians) Bali ningependa tuweze kushare mawazo kusudi kung'amua hasa kweli ni ipi. Baada ya kusoma nyuzi kadhaa za mkuu Likud na na comments za mkuu Kiranga, nilijaribu kutafuta vitabu kadhaa niweze japo basi kupata mwanga kidogo kuhusu ni ipi ni kweli. Kitabu cha The bible fraud (hivi vyote vimeandikwa na Tony Bushby) sikufanikiwa kukipata ila hiki cha secret in the bible nimefanikiwa kukipata na ndio niko mbioni kumalizia. Aisee,
Ukisoma hiki kitabu kuna shocking facts (truth) ambazo kiukweli zimenishtua hadi sasa moyo wangu hauna amani. Imagine what you have been made to believe turns out to be fake. Kwenye biblia kuna siri nyingi sana na according to bwana bushby, mtu aliyeitwa Francis Bacon ambae ni moja ya magenius waliowahi kutokea duniani, ambae pia ni among the earliest initiates (masonry) ndie aliyepewa jukumu LA kuandika biblia ya kwanza na king jes ambapo humo aliencode siri nyingi sana ambazo inabidi uwe enlightened kuweza kuzifahamu. Pia anasema Jesup christ had a twin brother na hakuuliwa kwa crucifixion bali he was stoned to death baada ya kukamatwa na hatia ya kuiba the ancient secrets from Egypt na ndipo alipoanza kuperform MIUJIZA. hizi ni baadhi ya screenshots za baadhi ya pages Kwenye kitabu hiko...
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Naomba tuweze kujadili swala hili kwa marefu na mapana wakuu lengo ni kugain knowledge wala sio kukashifiana kiimani. Mods pls Naomba msiuunganishe huu uzi na nyuzi zingine na kwa atakae hitaji hiki kitabu nitampatia.

Sir Francis Bacon ni mwingereza aliyedhaniwa kwamba ndiye mwandishi wa kazi zote za William Shakespeare!Basi Kila kitu kizuri kiliandikwa na Bacon,Biblia Aliandika bacon,Mashairi ya Shakespeare aliandika Bacon... Hapo ndio unajua kwamba watu hawafikiriii kabisa.

Tony Bushyby na wengine Lukuki hawawezi Kulifanya neno la Mungu likawa la kawaida!
Eti Yesu aliiba Ancient Egypt Secrets? Ili aweze fanya miujiza? halafu akiwa na umri wa miaka zaidi ya 60! wakati Yesu hakuishi zaidi ya umri wa miaka 33! Na miujiza ya YESU haihusishi Charms yoyote wala Abracadabra ambayo alikuwa ana apply ndio miujiza inatokea,hata wafuasi wake pia hawakufanya shirki yoyote ile ili kutenda miujiza.
Mkuu kamsome na Dan Brown ili ujue kuna watu hawaogopi kutunga fiction stories huko Ulaya na Marekani hasa zikihusishwa na kuchanganywa na habari za biblia - Wazungu wana utamaduni wa kusoma vitabu sana! Na ili stori yako iuzeee changanya na habari ya Mazingaombwe wazungu wasio na dini wanapenda sana(Mystery story).
Usijiunge kwenye kundi la waliochanganyikiwa mpendwa.
Dont lose your faith brethren!

 

[chabuso]

Nakuona unavyopotoka bibilia husomo waliopumbazwa akili.

Napotoka vipi Mkuu,sijaongeza langu ni copy and paste kutoka kwenye biblia…,hisia zinawafanya wakristo wasome biblia na bila ya kuifahamu,soma biblia uifahamu utaijua njia ya haki

 

[Mr.Venture]

Mimi nakushauri uamini hicho kitabu chako cha huyo genius na utuache sisis tunaoamini biblia tuamibi biblia

 

[lolypop]

Roho ya mpinga KRISTO imesha anza kufanya kazi

duuh nakweli

 

[2013]

Kwa majibu ya hayo yote someni Qur'an.

Bibilia Ndio Jibu.

 

[edwardbm]

Question: Is the author of the Gospel of John claiming that Jesus is part of a tri-unity god when he has Jesus say, "before Abraham came into being, I am" (John 8:58)?

Answer: John 8:56-58 states: "'Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.' The Jews therefore said to him: 'You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?' Jesus said to them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came into being, I am.'"

Trinitarians argue that the Greek words ego eimi ("I am"), allegedly spoken by Jesus (John 8:58), indicate that Jesus is God (see also John 8:24, 28). They arrive at their contention by connecting the phrase "I am" with the words spoken by God in Exodus 3:14 and often translated: "I AM THAT I AM . . . . Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: I AM has sent me to you." However, the literal and proper translation of this verse is: I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE. . . . Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: I WILL BE has sent me to you."

Since the author of the Gospel of John utilized the Greek Septuagint translation of the Bible in his writings, it cannot be assumed that John's Jesus is referring to the words in Exodus 3:14. Although Jesus actually spoke in Hebrew or Aramaic, not Greek, John recorded Jesus' alleged words in Greek. Ego eimi ("I am"), used by John's Jesus, is not the same as ho on ("The Being, The One Who Is"), which is used in the Septuagint's rendering of Exodus 3:14: "And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am THE BEING; and He said, Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: THE BEING has sent me to you."

Even though ho on appears in the Gospel of John, it is never used as a title or name or exclusively as a reference to Jesus. In the Book of Revelation, also credited to John by Christian commentators, ho on appears five times (Revelation 1:4, 8; 4:8; 11:17; 16:5). Significantly, in each instance, it is used as a title or designation applied to God, not Jesus.

Thus: "John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is [ho on] and who was and who is to come; and from the seven spirits who are before His throne" (Revelation 1:4).

That this verse refers to God and not Jesus is seen from the following verse, which continues the greeting by now including Jesus as one of those sending greetings. Hence, John says, in verses 4 and 5, that greetings are sent by God, the seven spirits, and Jesus.

In verse 8, John writes: "'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lord God, 'who is [ho on] and who was and who is to come, the Almighty'" (Revelation 1:8).

This verse also speaks of God, not Jesus. In Revelation 4:8, ho on is applied to "the Lord God, the Almighty," not Jesus, who, as the "Lamb" referred to in Revelation 5:6-7, comes to God, who is sitting on His throne.

That they are two separate entities is seen from Revelation 5:13: "To the one sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever

In addition, ho on is applied to the "Lord God, the Almighty," not Jesus, in Revelation 11:17 and Revelation 16:5. That ho on in Revelation 16:5 refers to God and not Jesus can be seen from verse 7, which, referring to the subject of verses 5 and 6, states: "And I heard the altar saying: 'Yes, Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are Your judgments.'"

These are further indications that ho on and ego eimi are not used as synonymous terms by John. In John 8:56-58, John is expounding his belief that Jesus had a prehuman existence as an angelic being in heaven. John's Jesus is proclaiming here that this prehuman existence began before Abraham was born: "Before Abraham came into being, I am."

The fact of the matter is that the text does not at all indicate how long Jesus supposedly lived before Abraham. In no honest way can John's statement be taken to identify Jesus as God.

They way I understood the phrase I AM. Is He is infinity.

Thus he has always been and he will always be.

Yes more like when God used I AM, That I AM.
In the old testameny

 

[Gavana]

They way I understood the phrase I AM. Is He is infinity.

Thus he has always been and he will always be.

Yes more like when God used I AM, That I AM.
In the old testameny

Proof please