the former liwali (governor) of Mombasa, part of the erstwhile Sultanate of Zanzibar

[MK254]

Kenya did not exist at that time.

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Yeah even Tanzania didn't exist then, my question is still valid, did your sultan find apes inhabiting coastal strip of what we call Mombasa today.

 

[Iconoclastes]

No it belongs to Tanzania, which is Zanzibar and Tanganyika in unison.

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If Dar belongs to Tanganyika then Mombasa belongs to Kenya.

That Sultanate territory, that narrow strip that straddled Kenya and Tanzania were handed over to both coubtries by the Sultan of Zanzibar thru a pact, which was overseen by the British.

 

[el nino]

U must have had Konyagi for breakfast.

Kwanza who told u tgat Zanzibar is part of Tanganyika? Do u understand why it's called TANZANIA? Soma historia!

Zanzibar is part of Tanzania..

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[Iconoclastes]

Zanzibar is part of Tanzania..

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I said 'Tanganyika'.

I understand why Tanzania is called Tanzania.

 

[Cicero]

If Dar belongs to Tanganyika then Mombasa belongs to Kenya.

That Sultanate territory, that narrow strip that straddled Kenya and Tanzania were handed over to both coubtries by the Sultan of Zanzibar thru a pact, which was overseen by the British.

Tell that to the Mombasa Republican Council.
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[HASHTAG]#MombasaNiTanzania[/HASHTAG]

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[Cicero]

If Dar belongs to Tanganyika then Mombasa belongs to Kenya.

That Sultanate territory, that narrow strip that straddled Kenya and Tanzania were handed over to both coubtries by the Sultan of Zanzibar thru a pact, which was overseen by the British.

He found people that didn't identify as Kenyans or Tanzanians. He gave them the Zanzibari identity (which is now part of the Tanzanian identity)

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[Cicero]

If Dar belongs to Tanganyika then Mombasa belongs to Kenya.

That Sultanate territory, that narrow strip that straddled Kenya and Tanzania were handed over to both coubtries by the Sultan of Zanzibar thru a pact, which was overseen by the British.

Same goes for Mt Kilimanjaro. Stop cherry picking.
That logic should apply to the Mt. Kilimanjaro debate as well.
So if you expect Tanzanians to respect your claim over Mombasa, respect our claim over Mt. Kilimanjaro.
Otherwise hatutaacha kusema pwani ya Kenya ni mali ya Tanzania.

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[el nino]

I said 'Tanganyika'.

I understand why Tanzania is called Tanzania.

Did anyone claim zanzibar was part of Tanganyika?

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[MK254]

Tell that to the Mombasa Republican Council.
[HASHTAG]#PwaniSiKenya[/HASHTAG]
[HASHTAG]#MombasaNiTanzania[/HASHTAG]

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Give back Zanzibar back to Omanis, then we won't hesitate to hand our Mombasa to the same Sultan.

 

[Cicero]

Give back Zanzibar back to Omanis, then we won't hesitate to hand our Mombasa to the same Sultan.

Control over Zanzibar now belongs to the legitimate government of Zanzibar (Serikali ya Mapinduzi ya Zanzibar)
So give Mombasa back to the SMZ.

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[Iconoclastes]

Tell that to the Mombasa Republican Council.
[HASHTAG]#PwaniSiKenya[/HASHTAG]
[HASHTAG]#MombasaNiTanzania[/HASHTAG]

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Oh yeah? At least they have the freedom to express their opinions as long as they do not use violence.

What about in Tanzania? The Zanzibaris freedom expression regarding these issues are repressed by the govt in mainland. Any such sentiments are sometimes brutally silenced cos they viewed as sedition.

Calls for secession in Zanzibar

The Kenya's MRC still exists, but were adviced to renounce violence, and express their demands to the govt. Btw many, including those in govt reckoned their demands were very valid.

2013

Uhuru sets terms for MRC talks

2017

MRC now seeks peaceful elections in August

It is not that MRC wants to break away from Kenya per se, theirs was just a protest against what they felt was the marginalization of the Coastal region by the govt, a situation that has since changed with the advent of our new devolved form of govt.

 

[Iconoclastes]

Did anyone claim zanzibar was part of Tanganyika?

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Check post #3

 

[chilubi]

Nenda pale Zanzibar uwaambie hayo ya wao kuwa Tanzania, kwanza huwa wanachukia sana na wanaishi kwa majungu kwamba mumewakoloni. Mnawajazia wanajeshi wengi zaidi ya raia...
Hebu fuata hii mada hapa Zanzibar ni nchi, ila Tanganyika ni sehemu ya jamhuri ya muungano, Tanzania ipo wapi?

ZANZIBAR NI NCHI ILA TANGANYIKA NI SEHEMU YA JAMHURI WA MUUNGANO. TANZANIA IPO WAPI?
Katiba ya zanzanibar inaitambulisha zanzibar kama ni nchi, wananchi na viongozi wao wameapa kuilinda. Katiba ya muungano inasema zanzibar si nchi ila ni sehemu ya Jamhuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania. Tuache ubabaishaj, zanzibar hawautaki muungano. wamejiandaa kwa kila kitu kuwa nchi.
Nimeishi zanzibar ndo mana ninaujasiri wa kusema haya.
Wana wizara zao zenye majukumu na majina tofauti na bara, (ie wizara ya elimu na mafunzo ya amali). majeshi yao (ingawa sisi tunaviita vikosi), mamlaka za mapato ZRB, (sio TRA),bendera yao ya Taifa, nembo ya utaifa yao, usajiri wa vyombo kama magari na vingine, vitambulisho vya utaifa, benk zao (kama benk ya ya wananchi wa Zanzibar), Mtanganyika haruhusiwi kuomba ajira zanzanzibar.
Kwenda lazima usachiwe kila kitu bandari ya dar na pia ukifika bandari yao. (vua hadi mikanda ya suruali na heren na vyote vya chuma), ukinunua electronic, kama computa na video screen, na vingine lazima ulipie ushuru mara mbili ZRB, na TRA. wana WIMBO wao wa taifa, TV na REDIO za bongo haziruhusiwi kule, utaikuta ZBC na CCTV tu. Rais na mawaziri wa Tanzania hawana mamlaka yoyote zanzanzibar, muundo wa serikal wa zanz ni tofaut kabisa na wa TZ,( ie makam wawili wa rais)
JAMANI…….! HIVI KWANINI TUSIUNGANE KWA PAMOJA KUIDAI TANGANYIKA YA BABU ZETU.
Tukumbuke wazazi wetu walimwaga damu, kuiipigania Tanganyika, hakuna maana ya kuendelea kusherehekea uhuru wetu wa dec 9 kama tunashindwa kujipigania wenyewe. sisi tusipokuwa wazalendo nani atakuwa mzalendo, wazanzibar ni wazalendo ndo mana wanalipigania taifa lao.
SERIKALI TATU ZINAWEZEKANA.
Tuyapuuze maneno ya wanaotutisha kwa kutaka serikali mbili, kwanza hakuna muungano wa serikali mbili zenye mamlaka kamili duniani. mfano mzuri, Rais wa USA (Barack Obama) anasimamia wizara tatu tu, yaan FEDHA, MAMBO YA NJE, na ULINZI, na anaongoza serikali kama 52 za marekani. kwani yeye anaish kwenye ardhi gani, pesa anapata wapi? tusiwe na ubongo mdogo kiasi hicho.
KAZI KWETU………………………………. KWAHERI……..!

Mbona unanchekesha kwenye jua kali kama hili? Umekuja lini Zanzibar? Mbona tv za bara na redio zao zipo tele tu? 😀

 

[MK254]

Control over Zanzibar now belongs to the legitimate government of Zanzibar (Serikali ya Mapinduzi ya Zanzibar)
So give Mombasa back to the SMZ.

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Yeah it now belongs to SMZ, they managed to brutally grab whatever was left of Sultan from his descendants, that was after a certain Luo by the name Okello led a bloody revolution that precipitated beheading of Arabs and Asians in a genocidal volume.
In short, what those black Africans managed to grab from sultan is all they were and are entitled to because likewise sultan had snaffled from other blacks too.
Karume entered into union with Nyerere to repel off international interest in Zanzibar, but that unification has been outlived by events and doesn't make sense anymore, and that's why your clamor for new constitution was halted since there was no easier way of handling the marriage between those two countries.

 

[Cicero]

Yeah it now belongs to SMZ, they managed to brutally grab whatever was left of Sultan from his descendants, that was after a certain Luo by the name Okello led a bloody revolution that precipitated beheading of Arabs and Asians in a genocidal volume.
In short, what those black Africans managed to grab from sultan is all they were and are entitled to because likewise sultan had snaffled from other blacks too.
Karume entered into union with Nyerere to repel off international interest in Zanzibar, but that unification has been outlived by events and doesn't make sense anymore, and that's why your clamor for new constitution was halted since there was no easier way of handling the marriage between those two countries.

The forces that were at play then are still alive and well, and will exploit any weakness in our new constitution to institute a soft power grab.
Unafikiri waarabu have no interest in Zanzibar anymore? You couldn't be more wrong.

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