The military strengths of Kenya and Uganda

Hah..hivi katyusha na mortar ,rocket nazo ni surface tosurface missile? Just what range can those said missile hit five kilometa?
The realy missile are medium to longrange missile which can go up to 2000 km.or intercontinental ballistic missile which no country in africa has but for egupment kenya wako juu we bongo use money supposed for weapons to fatten leaders bank accounts next time we fight we going to use spear

cpa said:

detail za cia, zinaonyesha tanzania jeshi lake linaukosefu mkubwa wa vitendea kazi. Vingi ni duni, vibovu, vichakavu. Ndege zao nyingi ni aina ya mig za miaka ya 70-80s+, ambazo waliziteka uganda, walinunua ndege nyingine za kivita lakin zimekuwa vimeo, sababu kuu zilinunuliwa zikiwa mbovu, chakavu na lack of proper training. Uwezo wa jeshi le2 ki anga si mzuri, hii ni kutokana na bajeti ndogo ambayo ni 0.2% ya gdp. Siraha nyingi ni zakutoka china na russia. Pamoja na upungufu wote wa vitendea kazi. Jeshi letu bado imara.
Source:
tanzania people's defence force - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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kuna jama anasema tanzania haitaki kutangaza uwezo wake w kisiraha eti wanatumia utaratibu alikuwa nao libya wana agiza kwa nchi rafiki alafu wanaficha .

huu ndio wakati muwafaka kwa Tz kuwaova take hawa wakenya kiuchumi wakati wao wanapigana tz ifanye juhudi kukua kiuchumi. Nalog off

Pezzonovante said:

kuna jama anasema tanzania haitaki kutangaza uwezo wake w kisiraha eti wanatumia utaratibu alikuwa nao libya wana agiza kwa nchi rafiki alafu wanaficha .

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Tuombee, iwe hivyo. Hikiwa kama wanavyotuonyesha weekpedia ni aibu.

Kama kenya wangekuwa na nguvu za kijeshi kuliko Tz wangekuwa walishafakamia mlima Kilimanjaro kitambo aise! Maana wanatupiga majungu kuwa wao!!

CPA said:

Detail za CIA, zinaonyesha tanzania jeshi lake linaukosefu mkubwa wa vitendea kazi. Vingi ni duni, vibovu, vichakavu. Ndege zao nyingi ni aina ya MIG za miaka ya 70-80s+, Ambazo waliziteka uganda, walinunua ndege nyingine za kivita lakin zimekuwa vimeo, sababu kuu zilinunuliwa zikiwa mbovu, chakavu na lack of proper training. Uwezo wa jeshi le2 ki anga si mzuri, hii ni kutokana na bajeti ndogo ambayo ni 0.2% Ya GDP. Siraha nyingi ni zakutoka china na russia. Pamoja na upungufu wote wa vitendea kazi. Jeshi letu bado imara.
Source:
Tanzania People's Defence Force - Wikipedia, the free endcyclopedia

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Don't believe everything these guys tell you. When we invaded Amin the west said our military power to that of Amin was one ratio seven (1:7) but we did what we did. The other thing is that these guys had really limited access unlike the Chinese.

CIA wanasema ukweli!

CPA said:

Detail za CIA, zinaonyesha tanzania jeshi lake linaukosefu mkubwa wa vitendea kazi. Vingi ni duni, vibovu, vichakavu. Ndege zao nyingi ni aina ya MIG za miaka ya 70-80s+, Ambazo waliziteka uganda, walinunua ndege nyingine za kivita lakin zimekuwa vimeo, sababu kuu zilinunuliwa zikiwa mbovu, chakavu na lack of proper training. Uwezo wa jeshi le2 ki anga si mzuri, hii ni kutokana na bajeti ndogo ambayo ni 0.2% Ya GDP. Siraha nyingi ni zakutoka china na russia. Pamoja na upungufu wote wa vitendea kazi. Jeshi letu bado imara.
Source:
Tanzania People's Defence Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Hapo hata radar ya chenge ambayo kila mtu anaijua hawajaitaja.
Mkuu, sio kama najidai au nini, naomba nikujulishe kuwa kwa sisi tuliosomea US, maprofessors hawakubali reference yoyote inayoanzia na wiki-
i.e wikipedia, -leaks. -answers.... etc those are not credible sources
.http://www.globalfirepower.com/

Pezzonovante said:

Across the East and Central African region, Kenya remains the most militarily powerful country. This is based on its capabilities including assets and resources at disposal besides human resources. Latest acquisitions particularly long range surface to surface missiles SSM and surface to air missiles SAM has bolstered its capability to strike enemies strategic military positions. Another major boost to its capability was the acquisition of a new fleet of F-5 –Tiger strategic fighter jets. These, albeit commonplace perception they are old, are upgraded 1989 Northrop editions, hence superior. They have speed and precisions besides modern radar and an anti-aircraft fire detection and evasion system, in simple words. The new fleet totals 25 and will back up another 18 all in compact condition.

On Yearly basis, Kenya has been building up its infantry. Annually, 6000 troops are trained and the cadet school recruits hundreds of military aviators. As such, annually, an estimated 8,000 join the military. The military intelligence and the defense training college in Karen is a hub for senior military officials where strategy and geopolitics are assessed. Besides, the Kenyan military is disciplined well trained, and engaged in corporate social responsibility.

Military threats facing Kenya hardly suffice to be high level let alone raise a major threat to the country sovereignty. A case scenario is Uganda and Somalia. The Ugandan regime has an expansionist doctrine that has seen them eye specific locales across Lake Victoria. Militarily, Kenya has the capacity to fed off Uganda both using flak and flank but there has never been any troop’s movement or deployment to insinuate Kenya’s military response to such a threat. Along the border with Uganda, tribal militia-like communities keep moving in and out of either country or joint disarmament exercises.

Latest Military Realignment and Acquisitions in Uganda

Uganda spent billions of Ugandan shillings to acquire Russian fighter aircraft besides upgrading its infantry technical capability. Latest acquisition of Sukhoi fighter jets

Uganda, based on current threat matrix analysis poses a significant military threat based on two pronged factors. Its recent military upgrades including the acquisition of six sukhoi-20 mk2 fighter aircraft that are rated as top of the range fighters and the discovery of oil in the country is disturbing. It is right for Uganda to up its air defenses and upgrade its military technical capability based on its rising economic fortunes and the arising need to keep such resources safe. On the other hand, geopolitics force Kenyan oil rich north to remain an unexploited oil reserve but rising energy costs and Ugandan oil requires balancing the act.


Migingo and Ugingo Island issues are geopolitical and a big issue all together. Kenyan military strategists and their intelligence counterparts have for a year now sought a way out without considering a military strike on Uganda owing to the fact that the F-5E cannot match sukhoi-20 mk2 fighter which Museveni is desperate to use. Instead, the NSIS proposed top-secret acquisitions of superior fighter aircraft. According to a series of defense, meetings between Kenyan air force officials, and agreed to seek which among US 35- F-15 fighter aircrafts should be delivered to cushion Kenyan against the increasing threat from her neighbors.

Besides the F-15, the country has already acquired 50 z-9w attack helicopters from China and another fleet of Harbin gunship attack helicopters. In continuum for the rising levels of threat and powerful enemy flak, the NSIS along Military intelligence have been talking for sellers of F-15, JF-17, and Mi35 gunships to up the Kenya air force and diversify its technical and tactical capability.

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Ulinganifu huu na uchambuzi huu kwa ujumla una lengo la kibiashara zaidi kuliko tathmini ya Hali ya Usalama. Uzoefu wa masuala ya kivita na kiusalama umeonyesha kuwa nguvu ya kivita haipimwi kwa idadi ya silaha tu na kigezo cha bajeti inayotengwa katika ununuzi wa zana na kuendesha jeshi. Hivyo vinabaki kuwa viashiria tu. Nguvu ya kijeshi msingi wake ni nidhamu ya jeshi, ari, uzalendo na uzoefu wake wa kupigana. Ndio maana Mwalimu Nyerere alipounda JWTZ mwaka 1964 aliwaambia askari kuwa "Moyo kwanza kabla ya Silaha". Ni ari hiyo na uzalendo huo ndio ulifanya JWTZ kumpiga Idd Amin na jeshi lake wakati alikuwa na silaha bora zaidi yetu, tena na msaada wa Ghaddafi.

Jeshi la Kenya halijawahi kupigana vita vyovyote hivyo halijawahi kujaribiwa, halina institutional memory ikilinganishwa na jeshi la Uganda. Linaweza kuwa na bajeti kubwa na silaha mpya( hardware) Lakini halina mzuka na ari ya kupigana (software ). Kwa wale tuliosoma gazeti la Sani tutakumbuka vyema mechi kati ya Bush Star na Town Star ambako wakina Lodi Lofa na pimbi walikuwa na jezi, njumu na vifaa vyote lakini wakifungwa na bush star ya kina kipepe, mzee Meko na madenge ambayo ilikuwa haina vote hivyo.

Hivyo, najumuisha kwa kusema tathmini za namna hiyo zinatengenezwa na makampuni yenye kuuza silaha ambao hulikisha taarifa hizo ili kuzua hodpfu na kushawishi nchi kununua silaha(arms race).

cpa said:

c unaelewa, uhasibu kazin na mtaa siasa kidogo. Pamoja mkuu

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kweli cpa unajua unatakiwa uwe mjua wa mambo mengi haswa haya yanayohusu mswala mazito

sheba said:

ulinganifu huu na uchambuzi huu kwa ujumla una lengo la kibiashara zaidi kuliko tathmini ya hali ya usalama. Uzoefu wa masuala ya kivita na kiusalama umeonyesha kuwa nguvu ya kivita haipimwi kwa idadi ya silaha tu na kigezo cha bajeti inayotengwa katika ununuzi wa zana na kuendesha jeshi. Hivyo vinabaki kuwa viashiria tu. Nguvu ya kijeshi msingi wake ni nidhamu ya jeshi, ari, uzalendo na uzoefu wake wa kupigana. Ndio maana mwalimu nyerere alipounda jwtz mwaka 1964 aliwaambia askari kuwa "moyo kwanza kabla ya silaha". Ni ari hiyo na uzalendo huo ndio ulifanya jwtz kumpiga idd amin na jeshi lake wakati alikuwa na silaha bora zaidi yetu, tena na msaada wa ghaddafi.

Jeshi la kenya halijawahi kupigana vita vyovyote hivyo halijawahi kujaribiwa, halina institutional memory ikilinganishwa na jeshi la uganda. Linaweza kuwa na bajeti kubwa na silaha mpya( hardware) lakini halina mzuka na ari ya kupigana (software ). Kwa wale tuliosoma gazeti la sani tutakumbuka vyema mechi kati ya bush star na town star ambako wakina lodi lofa na pimbi walikuwa na jezi, njumu na vifaa vyote lakini wakifungwa na bush star ya kina kipepe, mzee meko na madenge ambayo ilikuwa haina vote hivyo.

Hivyo, najumuisha kwa kusema tathmini za namna hiyo zinatengenezwa na makampuni yenye kuuza silaha ambao hulikisha taarifa hizo ili kuzua hodpfu na kushawishi nchi kununua silaha(arms race).

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sheba nakuunga mkono duu umeshuka bwana ebu zidi kutupa shule

Elungata said:

Hah..hivi katyusha na mortar ,rocket nazo ni surface tosurface missile? Just what range can those said missile hit five kilometa?
The realy missile are medium to longrange missile which can go up to 2000 km.or intercontinental ballistic missile which no country in africa has but for egupment kenya wako juu we bongo use money supposed for weapons to fatten leaders bank accounts next time we fight we going to use spear

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Those were used like...... 30 something years ago.
You are too shallow to understand the military power of any nation, let alone Tanzania.
Apart from receiving a new contigent of air power last year from China (second nation to build its own stealth fighter),Tanzania Navy is the only African navy with credible results in combating piracy in the deep seas of east africa.
Tanzania army was modeled from the Chinese army, they are guerilla armies with a huge reserves of militias,,,,, the worst nightmare fore any career army. On the other hand, if you touch Tanznia, you touched FRELIMO and UNITA, another nightmare for puppet armies like Kenya and Rwanda.
They were realy smart not to mess with Tanzania.... based on records.

sheba said:

ulinganifu huu na uchambuzi huu kwa ujumla una lengo la kibiashara zaidi kuliko tathmini ya hali ya usalama. Uzoefu wa masuala ya kivita na kiusalama umeonyesha kuwa nguvu ya kivita haipimwi kwa idadi ya silaha tu na kigezo cha bajeti inayotengwa katika ununuzi wa zana na kuendesha jeshi. Hivyo vinabaki kuwa viashiria tu. Nguvu ya kijeshi msingi wake ni nidhamu ya jeshi, ari, uzalendo na uzoefu wake wa kupigana. Ndio maana mwalimu nyerere alipounda jwtz mwaka 1964 aliwaambia askari kuwa "moyo kwanza kabla ya silaha". Ni ari hiyo na uzalendo huo ndio ulifanya jwtz kumpiga idd amin na jeshi lake wakati alikuwa na silaha bora zaidi yetu, tena na msaada wa ghaddafi.

Jeshi la kenya halijawahi kupigana vita vyovyote hivyo halijawahi kujaribiwa, halina institutional memory ikilinganishwa na jeshi la uganda. Linaweza kuwa na bajeti kubwa na silaha mpya( hardware) lakini halina mzuka na ari ya kupigana (software ). Kwa wale tuliosoma gazeti la sani tutakumbuka vyema mechi kati ya bush star na town star ambako wakina lodi lofa na pimbi walikuwa na jezi, njumu na vifaa vyote lakini wakifungwa na bush star ya kina kipepe, mzee meko na madenge ambayo ilikuwa haina vote hivyo.

Hivyo, najumuisha kwa kusema tathmini za namna hiyo zinatengenezwa na makampuni yenye kuuza silaha ambao hulikisha taarifa hizo ili kuzua hodpfu na kushawishi nchi kununua silaha(arms race).

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wewe ni mfikiriaji mkuu!!

ground zero said:

usiogope mkuu. Kwanza siamini kama mleta hoja ni raia wa afrika mashariki. Nadhani wapo watu wanataka kutugawa kwa misingi ya kijeshi. Mimi sina tatizo kama kenya wanajiimarisha kijeshi, lakini lazima iwe ni kijiimarisha kulinda uhuru na rasilimali za afrika mashariki. Ninawaunga mkono wakenya katika operation yao dhidi ya alshabab wanaohatarisha amani ya kanda nzima. Naamini kwamba siku moja kpdf itakuwa sehemu ya eapdf. Kwa upande wa tpdf,silaha kubwa tuliyonayo ni umoja na utii,tunayo vilevile historia ya ukombozi. Subsaharan africa tpdf was involved in anyway in liberation. Hatuna haja ya kuwaonesha watu kwamba na sisi tupo. Lakini atakayetaka tutamuonesha.

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ground zero kweli utaifa au uraia unaweza ukawa na shida lakini kama ninakupatarifa jirani ona jamaa wanavyo kusanya nguvu kuna issue za mafuta ziwani na baharini watu huwa hawana haya kusogeza mipaka issue ya miginno unaifuatlia kamanda?

MTAZAMO said:

Umenena mkuu,Kenya hawana uzoefu wowote kwa operation kama ile! Wengi wanasubiri matokeo yake maana kuwa well equiped haisaidii kwa aina ile ya vita,lakini wakishinda litakuwa somo jipya hasa kwa wapinzani wengi wanaobeza uwezo wa Kenya kijeshi pamoja na kuwa the powerful economic regime in East and central Africa.

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You don't win these kinds of war!....

soby said:

those were used like...... 30 something years ago.
You are too shallow to understand the military power of any nation, let alone tanzania.
Apart from receiving a new contigent of air power last year from china (second nation to build its own stealth fighter),tanzania navy is the only african navy with credible results in combating piracy in the deep seas of east africa.
Tanzania army was modeled from the chinese army, they are guerilla armies with a huge reserves of militias,,,,, the worst nightmare fore any career army. On the other hand, if you touch tanznia, you touched frelimo and unita, another nightmare for puppet armies like kenya and rwanda.
They were realy smart not to mess with tanzania.... Based on records.

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mkuu soby ebu tueleze naaminia source zako ebu mimina majambo

SOBY said:

Those were used like...... 30 something years ago.
You are too shallow to understand the military power of any nation, let alone Tanzania.
Apart from receiving a new contigent of air power last year from China (second nation to build its own stealth fighter),Tanzania Navy is the only African navy with credible results in combating piracy in the deep seas of east africa.
Tanzania army was modeled from the Chinese army, they are guerilla armies with a huge reserves of militias,,,,, the worst nightmare fore any career army. On the other hand, if you touch Tanznia, you touched FRELIMO and UNITA, another nightmare for puppet armies like Kenya and Rwanda.
They were realy smart not to mess with Tanzania.... based on records.

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Are we still intact that much with Frelimo and Unita mkuu?

Duuuu jamaa cpa, ground zero, mtazamo,soby du mnawza andika historia ya kijeshi ya taifa la tanzania

Lakini mh..zile pesa za mgodi wa meremeta labda walinunua silaha si walisema meremeta ni TOP SECRET viginevo ni aibu hatuna airforce,tuna navy force eguiped with canoes our ifantry division poorly eguiped,our Miltary intelligence none.
Our intelligence security capability a shame NOTHING.

MTAZAMO said:

Are we still intact that much with Frelimo and Unita mkuu?

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Yeeeeah!!..... actually, FRELIMO is fiughting right now as we speak! and TPDF is kinda involved.