above metal04
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- Feb 23, 2012
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Tanzanians are helpless. You are busy fighting the messenger instead of understanding the message.
Also no Kenyan here has said that Kenya is politically better than Tanzania. No.
What Kenyans are saying is that the shit Tanzania is going thru Kenya has already gone through it or going through it right now.
However the difference is that Kenyans are constantly looking for solutions. Case and point, the recent demonstrations over the corrupt and incompetent elections body. Kenyans demonstrated and now there is real progress in getting that problem resolved.
Kenyans demonstrated sadly some died but we got a new constitution. How is that Tanzanian new constitution coming?
Kenyans fight for change. If we don't like what's going on we Change it. so far it's only we haven't been able to defeat corruption but anything else we don't like KENYANS MAKE the govt change. We don't sit around hoping for things to change.
This is what Tanzania is poor at doing. You people dont want to force the govt to enact change. This kind of laziness is what makes you people be ruled by the same incompetent CCM yet you people are okay with the CCM mediocrity. That would never happen in Kenya.
Y'all can say whatever you want, you can attack the messenger all you want but you can't run away from the truth and the truth is that until the day Tanzanians say enough is enough and demand real reforms the CCM will keep up the mediocrity and you people will keep bending over and take it like the nice obedient girls that you all are
Hapo sijui kama atarudi.This is what Kenya is poor at doing. You people dont want to force the govt to enact change. This kind of laziness is what makes you people be ruled by the same incompetent Kikuyu thugs yet you people are okay with the Kikuyu mediocrity. That would never happen in Tanzania.
Y'all can say whatever you want, you can attack the messenger all you want but you can't run away from the truth and the truth is that until the day Kenyans say enough is enough and demand real reforms the Kikuyu thugs will keep up the mediocrity and you people will keep bending over and take it like the nice obedient girls that you all are
This is what Kenya is poor at doing. You people dont want to force the govt to enact change. This kind of laziness is what makes you people be ruled by the same incompetent Kikuyu thugs yet you people are okay with the Kikuyu mediocrity. That would never happen in Tanzania.
Y'all can say whatever you want, you can attack the messenger all you want but you can't run away from the truth and the truth is that until the day Kenyans say enough is enough and demand real reforms the Kikuyu thugs will keep up the mediocrity and you people will keep bending over and take it like the nice obedient girls that you all are
Stick to your own bloody Kenyan politics. Unataka Tanzania damu imwagike kama Kenya ndio you say we fighting for change?? That is the difference between our leaders and Kenyan leaders. Our leaders won't let innocent blood spill for their own personal gains. Kenyan leaders are killing their citizens and letting their citizens die just to gain power. You are right , Tanzania is a peaceful country and will continue to be so.again in your bid to to shoot the messanger rather than deal with the message you quickly got riled up and you forgot what i wrote. but is okay, maybe you cant handle the truth
as i said in my first post, kenya is far from perfect there are a litany of other issues, in addition to a tribe driven political discourse, that kenyans havent successfully tackled but what you cannot criticize kenyans for is the lack of not trying. that is the main difference between kenyans and tanzanians
you sit there and year after year since independence CCM does absolutely nothing but passively threaten any dissent by feeding that propaganda bullshit line that yall repeat it like home trained dogs "tanzania ni nchi ya amani na utulivu".
martin luther once said, "It is necessary to love peace and sacrifice for it" tanzanians love peace but it is that sacrifice part that scares the shit out of tanzanians. as a nation you lack courage/balls/backbone to face your demons face to face. that is the biggest weakness of tanzania. an accusation you cannot truthfully make about kenyans.
that is where the problem lies with tanzania and you cannot runaway from it i.e tanzanians are lazy and afraid of change therefore they do not for change/reforms(a few small pathetic demonstrations in arusha and zanzibar wont cut it)
here is a list of a few of the reforms i can recall top of my head that kenyans FORCED on a unwilling GoK by demonstrations boycotts bleeding and the ultimate sacrifice...dying.
kenyans forced multi party elections
kenyans forced a regime that had ruled kenya for over 40yrs out of power
kenyans forced electoral reforms
kenyans forced and fought for a new constitution
kenyans forced the govt out of central park
kenyans forced police reforms(still a long way to go before success)
i will give you the rest of this year for you to find any big reforms that tanzanians that can match or exceed that kenyan list.
Uhuru, the one who was chosen by Moi was defeated by Kibaki but I think this is another Uhuru who came after tough struggle with another party. If we borrow your suggestion on Uhuru vs KANU, then in Tanzania there is no multiparty system since many of the top leaders in those political parties in Tanzania were CCM members some with membership in top decision making bodies like National Executive Committee or Central CommitteeYou are forgetting how long Kenya was ruled by KANU ?? Or Mr Moi . in fact Kenya is still being ruled by KANU coz Uhuru was Mr Moi's choice when he left. So don't tell us Tanzanians that we are ruled by incompetent ccm . We all know that there is nothing as powerful as an idea whose time has come. The time will come when ccm will have to go just as went KANU
[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]This is what Kenya is poor at doing. You people dont want to force the govt to enact change. This kind of laziness is what makes you people be ruled by the same incompetent Kikuyu thugs yet you people are okay with the Kikuyu mediocrity. That would never happen in Tanzania.
Y'all can say whatever you want, you can attack the messenger all you want but you can't run away from the truth and the truth is that until the day Kenyans say enough is enough and demand real reforms the Kikuyu thugs will keep up the mediocrity and you people will keep bending over and take it like the nice obedient girls that you all are
In that case and why couldn't you vote in Lowasa because he was a former ccm as well. Afterall ccm he was in ccm. Once one changes party he/she changes the manifesto as well nkt!.You are forgetting how long Kenya was ruled by KANU ?? Or Mr Moi . in fact Kenya is still being ruled by KANU coz Uhuru was Mr Moi's choice when he left. So don't tell us Tanzanians that we are ruled by incompetent ccm . We all know that there is nothing as powerful as an idea whose time has come. The time will come when ccm will have to go just as went KANU
Stick to your own bloody Kenyan politics. Unataka Tanzania damu imwagike kama Kenya ndio you say we fighting for change?? That is the difference between our leaders and Kenyan leaders. Our leaders won't let innocent blood spill for their own personal gains. Kenyan leaders are killing their citizens and letting their citizens die just to gain power. You are right , Tanzania is a peacefulcountry and will continue to be so.
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Hiyo ndiyo inaitwa plagiarism.Hapo sijui kama atarudi.
Hahaha noma bossiHiyo ndiyo inaitwa plagiarism.
Matiang'i praised for Magufuli-style reforms in Education ministrythe first Month After magufuli ameapishwa, wakenya walipendelea vile alianza kuchapa kazi, tofauti na marais wengine, alionekana kuelewa yule mtu mdogo, alionekana kujali shida za watu... Wakenya wakatamani rais mwenye nguvu kama zile..... za kutoa beaurocrasy na kupigana na ufisadi hapo kwa hapo...... hata matatu zengine xilikua zineanza kuchapisha jina lake...lakini miezi ilipoanza kusonga wakenya wakaanza kuona vile mambo yanafanywa, na wakaanza kupoteza interest... sahii hakuna mkenya anatamani uongozo kama huo, itakua tunarudi nyuma badala ya kusinga mbele,,,,, walio chapisha jina lake kwa matatu au duka wamebaki kusaga meno