The so called 'GOD' from religions

Mish Albert said:
My guess is that,such kind of world would be so bored
than today world

How could one enjoy the success if suffering did not exist?
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Mish, really? Hahaha....wow!

Natural disasters such as tsunami or earth quakes are not evil at all Ngabu

The planet that is 100% stable,is geologically uninhabitable planet

We are living on this unstable planet as consequence of our forefather's sins
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Yes, they very much are.

They engender so much anguish.

And by definition, evil is something that is very bad and harmful. Something that causes harm and injury. Something that is unpleasant.

You want to tell me natural disasters are good and harmless? That they don't cause harm and injury to people? And that they are pleasant things?

Seriously?
 
To be honest,I do not know why God allows existence of natural evils or disasters

Even the great man himself,Thomas aquinas failed to resolve successfully that puzzle
His answer is inadequate

Perhaps God had his own good moral reasons.
 
mtoto wa mjini said:
God is an idea,because he/it can be a cow,a mountain, the sun,energy, mind,it just depends on your level of comprehension.
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Go and re check your "rationality " find a mirror to reflect and come again
 
Labda nikusaidie wewe mdhaifu wa fikra nikubaline nawe kuwa hakuna mungu ili pasiwe na huyo "designer" unayemchukia, sasa nileleze wewe ambaye umekuwa designed na "space and time " nani ali design designer wako " space and time " ?
 
How can one know evils or good out of God realm ?
You believe in such a thing as Evil or good because you believe in some moral laws that enable you determine an act to be evil or good, by believing in the presence of moral laws you posit the present of moral law giver...
 
The guy is a firming the same God.
 
what is the purpose of God if you were to tell us please?
 
H1N1 said:
Labda nikusaidie wewe mdhaifu wa fikra nikubaline nawe kuwa hakuna mungu ili pasiwe na huyo "designer" unayemchukia, sasa nileleze wewe ambaye umekuwa designed na "space and time " nani ali design designer wako " space and time " ?
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Nani kasma mimi nimekuwa designer?

Na nikikwambia sijui jibu lakini jibu haliwezi kuwa mungu wako kama vile mtu anavyoweza kukwambia kwamba hajui square root mbiki lakini haiwezi kiwa kumi utasemaje?

Na kwa nini complexity ni lazima iwe designed?

I just shot down the case for design, you obviously did not understand what you quoted.
 
If god cannot be designed by definition, then complexity does not need a designer.

Your argument that the universe has a deaigner because it is vomolex then becomes illogical under this scenario.

You can't eat your cake and have it too.

Not being able to show where complexity comes from does not show it was created by god just as not being able to show what is te square root of two doea not show ut is ten.

What you are telling me is that the square root of two is ten, I am telling you it cannot be ten because it must be smaller than ten.

You are asking me what is the square root of two.

Can you admit that it cannot be ten first before we go to what is the square root of two?

Can you admit that the idea of your god being the creator of the universe because complexity needs a creator is illogical, because it ends up in an infinity of absurd creators?
 
Kiranga said:
Your argument that the universe has a deaigner because it is vomolex then becomes illogical under this scenario
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What we know from experience and principles,especially principle of causation is that,an events need a cause

The naturalistic theory about the existence of universe,known as Big bang,does not even explain the origin of the universe

It's simply,explaining the development of the singularity after plack time

It does not explain where materials contained in singularity came from

Thus,you[atheists] do not have adequate models that explain true origin
Not being able to show where complexity comes from does not show it was created by god
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Rational persons are appealing to intelligent designer[ID] not because they know nothing about origin of complexity

They are appealing to ID explanation because it's plausible and more probable than materialists explanation

Universe is finite in time,but yet it existed

So where did it come from?
 

Wewe umekuwa designed au hata kama XY na YY ndizo zilukufanya uwepo!
Bado nataka unieleze nani alifanya yule aliyefanya wewe uwepo na yeye nani alimfanya aliyemfanya awe....
Maana msomi wewe unataka hiyo regress to infinity

Nini maana ya complexity na design kwa ufahamu wako.isije kuwa watu wanafundisha jiwe kunena 'Ukiona Kobe juu ya mti ujue kawekwa" hiyo ndiyo inabeba maana ya kuwa kilichopo ni chenye mwanzo matokeo toka kingine .

Case for design hsiwezi kufa kirahisi hivyo wewe acha kukariri...vilivyo ni kwa kuwa vimefanywa kuwa vilivyo.
 
Kwa nini swali lako linauliza "nani" ?

Unajuaje kwamba "nani" ndiyo swali sahihi?
 
mwaswast said:
what is the purpose of God if you were to tell us please?
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God serves as our[theists] moral standard and sustainer of the world

You are free thinker,right?
Free thinkers are ready for any possibility,they are inbetween

Whether there is God or not

Now i ask you,where do you put your trust?in idealists or materialist standpoint?
 
Mish Albert said:
What we know from experience and principles,especially principle of causation is that,an events need a cause
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That still doesn't answer, why must that cause be your god?

The naturalistic theory about the existence of universe,known as Big bang,does not even explain the origin of the universe ?
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If the naturalistic theory we know is completely wrong, does that mean the god theory must be completely right?

Your job is not to show that the naturalistic theory is wrong, your job is to show the god theory is right.

You have not done so.

It's simply,explaining the development of the singularity after plack time
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You are disputing a theory that, even if you succeed in completely debunking, it still does not mean the god theory is true.
You are barking up the wrong tree.

Can you prove your god exists?

It does not explain where materials contained in singularity came from
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Again, barking up the wrong tree.

[/QUOTE]Thus,you[atheists] do not have adequate models that explain true origin[/QUOTE]

That does not show that god exists. Atheists can have inadequate models to explain the true origin in a world that god does not exist.

In a way that someone can tell you the square root of two is not ten (akin to "god does not exist") without knowing the square root of two to the 16th decimal place.

Rational persons are appealing to intelligent designer[ID] not because they know nothing about origin of complexity
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The question is not who is appealing to what, but, is that consistent with truth?

You can appeal to whatever catches your fancy, but that alone does not make the thing you appeal to to exists.

They are appealing to ID explanation because it's plausible and more probable than materialists explanation
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So your god is a plausible probability now?

Universe is finite in time,but yet it existed

So where did it come from?
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Suppose I say I do not know, does that prove it came from god?

Your god is not only implausible and improbable, he is impossible.

Because he contradicts himself at the conceptual level before even any atheist debunks him.
 
Kiranga said:
Kwa nini swali lako linauliza "nani" ?

Unajuaje kwamba "nani" ndiyo swali sahihi?
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" Nani " kwa maana kisababishi. Kama unajificha kwenye maneno basi chagua chochote iwe nani, kitu gani, nini , namna gani nk nk nk cha msingi eleza kilichosababisha uwepo wako kupitia XY na YY kwa muendelezo ili tupate chanzo kama kipo au kisababishi usipotaka endelea hadi infinity
 
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