The so called 'GOD' from religions

[Nyani Ngabu]

My guess is that,such kind of world would be so bored
than today world

How could one enjoy the success if suffering did not exist?

Mish, really? Hahaha....wow!

Natural disasters such as tsunami or earth quakes are not evil at all Ngabu

The planet that is 100% stable,is geologically uninhabitable planet

We are living on this unstable planet as consequence of our forefather's sins

Yes, they very much are.

They engender so much anguish.

And by definition, evil is something that is very bad and harmful. Something that causes harm and injury. Something that is unpleasant.

You want to tell me natural disasters are good and harmless? That they don't cause harm and injury to people? And that they are pleasant things?

Seriously?

 

[Mish Albert]

Mish, really? Hahaha....wow!



Yes, they very much are.

They engender so much anguish.

And by definition, evil is something that is very bad and harmful. Something that causes harm and injury. Something that is unpleasant.

You want to tell me natural disasters are good and harmless? That they don't cause harm and injury to people? And that they are pleasant things?

Seriously?

To be honest,I do not know why God allows existence of natural evils or disasters

Even the great man himself,Thomas aquinas failed to resolve successfully that puzzle
His answer is inadequate

Perhaps God had his own good moral reasons.

 

[H1N1]

God is an idea,because he/it can be a cow,a mountain, the sun,energy, mind,it just depends on your level of comprehension.

Go and re check your "rationality " find a mirror to reflect and come again

 

[H1N1]

If a designer is necessary for complexity, wouldn't that designer be more complex than the designed?

And if that designer is even more complex than the designed, and a designer is necessary for complexity as mentioned above, wouldn't that designer need a designer? And that designer's designer need a designer ad absurdum ad infinitum ?

The entire concept is boggled down by an infinity of absurdities.

Labda nikusaidie wewe mdhaifu wa fikra nikubaline nawe kuwa hakuna mungu ili pasiwe na huyo "designer" unayemchukia, sasa nileleze wewe ambaye umekuwa designed na "space and time " nani ali design designer wako " space and time " ?

 

[H1N1]

Who is your Idol? Jesus Christ or Prophet Mohammed?

Idol are the created gods that you and your brothers are proclaiming...

 

[H1N1]

Mish, really? Hahaha....wow!



Yes, they very much are.

They engender so much anguish.

And by definition, evil is something that is very bad and harmful. Something that causes harm and injury. Something that is unpleasant.

You want to tell me natural disasters are good and harmless? That they don't cause harm and injury to people? And that they are pleasant things?

Seriously?

How can one know evils or good out of God realm ?
You believe in such a thing as Evil or good because you believe in some moral laws that enable you determine an act to be evil or good, by believing in the presence of moral laws you posit the present of moral law giver...

 

[komamgo]

Nice article Bro!

I'm theist by the way,but I want to know more about your belief system.
Firstly,you've said that there is no One-God.
I,myself I find it hard to imagine the universe without intelligent maker
Just look for moment,beautiful order of our cosmos,how your brain function,and complexity of life
All those are merely an accident?

Science can explain origin of natural law that govern our universe?
secondly,you ignored the role of bible and the christianity,but yet you've accepted the Existence of jesus,why?

The guy is a firming the same God.

 

[42_007]

Who is your Idol? Jesus Christ or Prophet Mohammed?

M only worshiping to the One and only...the true creator of everything..the most beneficent the most merciful

 

[42_007]

Idol are the created gods that you and your brothers are proclaiming...

Hao wanaabidu hadi nyani, nyoka. Ngombe...

 

[mwaswast]

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Are you Atheist?

Do you know that,strong atheism does not actually exist?

I am a free thinker.
being a religious fanatic actualy exists as you potray

 

[mwaswast]

What is God, what is Satan?

They are simply human imaginations of fear.

 

[mwaswast]

Nope,I'm quite deep into mysticism

You know what Ngabu,nature displays the beautiful symmetrical patterns and order

To me,complexity of nature alone serve as evidence for existence of intelligent designer.Life is too complex to have happen by chance

Existence of the universe which obey mathematical laws is still most profound mystery

It's quite hard,to imagine the life without God,Ngabu!

what is the purpose of God if you were to tell us please?

 

[Kiranga]

Labda nikusaidie wewe mdhaifu wa fikra nikubaline nawe kuwa hakuna mungu ili pasiwe na huyo "designer" unayemchukia, sasa nileleze wewe ambaye umekuwa designed na "space and time " nani ali design designer wako " space and time " ?

Nani kasma mimi nimekuwa designer?

Na nikikwambia sijui jibu lakini jibu haliwezi kuwa mungu wako kama vile mtu anavyoweza kukwambia kwamba hajui square root mbiki lakini haiwezi kiwa kumi utasemaje?

Na kwa nini complexity ni lazima iwe designed?

I just shot down the case for design, you obviously did not understand what you quoted.

 

[Kiranga]

The highlighted question is illogical

Is illogical from the fact that,God cannot be designed by definition

If God is uncaused cause of everything,how then can he be caused?

It's like asking that,"To whom bachelor is married?

That's absurd

The entire concept is boggled down by an infinity of absurdities
You have tried to show the flaw in my argument
But you have not answered where complexity came from.

If god cannot be designed by definition, then complexity does not need a designer.

Your argument that the universe has a deaigner because it is vomolex then becomes illogical under this scenario.

You can't eat your cake and have it too.

Not being able to show where complexity comes from does not show it was created by god just as not being able to show what is te square root of two doea not show ut is ten.

What you are telling me is that the square root of two is ten, I am telling you it cannot be ten because it must be smaller than ten.

You are asking me what is the square root of two.

Can you admit that it cannot be ten first before we go to what is the square root of two?

Can you admit that the idea of your god being the creator of the universe because complexity needs a creator is illogical, because it ends up in an infinity of absurd creators?

 

[Mish Albert]

Your argument that the universe has a deaigner because it is vomolex then becomes illogical under this scenario

What we know from experience and principles,especially principle of causation is that,an events need a cause

The naturalistic theory about the existence of universe,known as Big bang,does not even explain the origin of the universe

It's simply,explaining the development of the singularity after plack time

It does not explain where materials contained in singularity came from

Thus,you[atheists] do not have adequate models that explain true origin

Not being able to show where complexity comes from does not show it was created by god

Rational persons are appealing to intelligent designer[ID] not because they know nothing about origin of complexity

They are appealing to ID explanation because it's plausible and more probable than materialists explanation

Universe is finite in time,but yet it existed

So where did it come from?

 

[H1N1]

Nani kasma mimi nimekuwa designer?

Na nikikwambia sijui jibu lakini jibu haliwezi kuwa mungu wako kama vile mtu anavyoweza kukwambia kwamba hajui square root mbiki lakini haiwezi kiwa kumi utasemaje?

Na kwa nini complexity ni lazima iwe designed?

I just shot down the case for design, you obviously did not understand what you quoted.

Wewe umekuwa designed au hata kama XY na YY ndizo zilukufanya uwepo!
Bado nataka unieleze nani alifanya yule aliyefanya wewe uwepo na yeye nani alimfanya aliyemfanya awe....
Maana msomi wewe unataka hiyo regress to infinity

Nini maana ya complexity na design kwa ufahamu wako.isije kuwa watu wanafundisha jiwe kunena 'Ukiona Kobe juu ya mti ujue kawekwa" hiyo ndiyo inabeba maana ya kuwa kilichopo ni chenye mwanzo matokeo toka kingine .

Case for design hsiwezi kufa kirahisi hivyo wewe acha kukariri...vilivyo ni kwa kuwa vimefanywa kuwa vilivyo.

 

[Kiranga]

Wewe umekuwa designed au hata kama XY na YY ndizo zilukufanya uwepo!
Bado nataka unieleze nani alifanya yule aliyefanya wewe uwepo na yeye nani alimfanya aliyemfanya awe....
Maana msomi wewe unataka hiyo regress to infinity

Nini maana ya complexity na design kwa ufahamu wako.isije kuwa watu wanafundisha jiwe kunena 'Ukiona Kobe juu ya mti ujue kawekwa" hiyo ndiyo inabeba maana ya kuwa kilichopo ni chenye mwanzo matokeo toka kingine .

Case for design hsiwezi kufa kirahisi hivyo wewe acha kukariri...vilivyo ni kwa kuwa vimefanywa kuwa vilivyo.

Kwa nini swali lako linauliza "nani" ?

Unajuaje kwamba "nani" ndiyo swali sahihi?

 

[Mish Albert]

what is the purpose of God if you were to tell us please?

God serves as our[theists] moral standard and sustainer of the world

You are free thinker,right?
Free thinkers are ready for any possibility,they are inbetween

Whether there is God or not

Now i ask you,where do you put your trust?in idealists or materialist standpoint?

 

[Kiranga]

What we know from experience and principles,especially principle of causation is that,an events need a cause

That still doesn't answer, why must that cause be your god?

The naturalistic theory about the existence of universe,known as Big bang,does not even explain the origin of the universe ?

If the naturalistic theory we know is completely wrong, does that mean the god theory must be completely right?

Your job is not to show that the naturalistic theory is wrong, your job is to show the god theory is right.

You have not done so.

It's simply,explaining the development of the singularity after plack time

You are disputing a theory that, even if you succeed in completely debunking, it still does not mean the god theory is true.
You are barking up the wrong tree.

Can you prove your god exists?

It does not explain where materials contained in singularity came from

Again, barking up the wrong tree.

[/QUOTE]Thus,you[atheists] do not have adequate models that explain true origin[/QUOTE]

That does not show that god exists. Atheists can have inadequate models to explain the true origin in a world that god does not exist.

In a way that someone can tell you the square root of two is not ten (akin to "god does not exist") without knowing the square root of two to the 16th decimal place.

Rational persons are appealing to intelligent designer[ID] not because they know nothing about origin of complexity

The question is not who is appealing to what, but, is that consistent with truth?

You can appeal to whatever catches your fancy, but that alone does not make the thing you appeal to to exists.

They are appealing to ID explanation because it's plausible and more probable than materialists explanation

So your god is a plausible probability now?

Universe is finite in time,but yet it existed

So where did it come from?

Suppose I say I do not know, does that prove it came from god?

Your god is not only implausible and improbable, he is impossible.

Because he contradicts himself at the conceptual level before even any atheist debunks him.

 

[H1N1]

Kwa nini swali lako linauliza "nani" ?

Unajuaje kwamba "nani" ndiyo swali sahihi?

" Nani " kwa maana kisababishi. Kama unajificha kwenye maneno basi chagua chochote iwe nani, kitu gani, nini , namna gani nk nk nk cha msingi eleza kilichosababisha uwepo wako kupitia XY na YY kwa muendelezo ili tupate chanzo kama kipo au kisababishi usipotaka endelea hadi infinity