The so called 'GOD' from religions

[Kiranga]

" Nani " kwa maana kisababishi. Kama unajificha kwenye maneno basi chagua chochote iwe nani, kitu gani, nini , namna gani nk nk nk cha msingi eleza kilichosababisha uwepo wako kupitia XY na YY kwa muendelezo ili tupate chanzo kama kipo au kisababishi usipotaka endelea hadi infinity

Nikikwambia sijui, hilo linathibitishaje kwamba jibu ni mungu?

Ukiniambia square root ya mbili ni kumi, nikikwambia si kumi kwa sababu square root ni lazima iwe ndogo kuliko hiyo namba iliyo square root yake, na ya mbili haiwezi kuwa kumi, ukiniuliza square root ya mbili ni ipi, nikasema sijui, hilo lina mana square root ya mbili ni kumi?

Thibitisha mungu yupo (thibitisha square root ya mbili ni kumi) mimi hata nikishindwa kukuambia ulimwengu umekuwaje ulivyo (mimi hata nikishindwa kukuambia square root ya mbili ni nini) hilo halimaanishi mungu yupo na ndiye chanzo ( hilo halimaanishi square root ya mbili ni kumi).

 

[H1N1]

Nikikwambia sijui, hilo linathibitishaje kwamba jibu ni mungu?

Ukiniambia square root ya mbili ni kumi, nikikwambia si kumi kwa sababu square root ni lazima iwe ndogo kuliko hiyo namba iliyo square root yake, na ya mbili haiwezi kuwa kumi, ukiniuliza square root ya mbili ni ipi, nikasea sijui, hilo lina mana square root ya mbili ni kumi?

Mr square root ya mbili.
Tatizo kubwa kwako ni kukosa ule uwezo wa binadam aliyeumbwa wa kufikiri vema.
Umeambiwa maelezo ya Asili ya kila kilicho na mwanzo yenye mashiko yanatoka kwenye "world view " ya dini kwa maana ya Mungu kuwa Asili ya vyote. Wewe umebaki na kutojua kwako square root ya mbili.
Kukariri taabu kweli kweli
Kama hujui basi jibu lisilo sahihi utalijuaje ? Ficha uzembe wako Mkuu

 

[Kiranga]

Mr square root ya mbili.
Tatizo kubwa kwako ni kukosa ule uwezo wa binadam aliyeumbwa wa kufikiri vema.
Umeambiwa maelezo ya Asili ya kila kilicho na mwanzo yenye mashiko yanatoka kwenye "world view " ya dini kwa maana ya Mungu kuwa Asili ya vyote. Wewe umebaki na kutojua kwako square root ya mbili.
Kukariri taabu kweli kweli
Kama hujui basi jibu lisilo sahihi utalijuaje ? Ficha uzembe wako Mkuu

Hujaweza kuthibitisha kwamba mungu yupo na si kwamba ni hadithi ya kitoto tu.

Thibitisha.

 

[Mish Albert]

That still doesn't answer, why must that cause be your god?

My argument was merely focusing on intelligent design

But remarkably,God is also intelligent designer by definition


If the naturalistic theory we know is completely wrong, does that mean the god theory must be completely right?

Your job is not to show that the naturalistic theory is wrong, your job is to show the god theory is right

Now you have reached where I wanted

My reading of logic is that,there is only one way used to dismiss a valid argument

All you have to do is to reject any of its premise and conclusion,otherwise you ought to accept it

There is similar situation here,we have two models say,X and Y both are explaining the same phenomenon

If X fails,we must cling to other[Y]

If materialist models fail to explain cosmic origin

Why are you rejecting intelligent design models?

ID's explanation is probable,from the fact that,we see properties of design in nature and bios

 

[Kiranga]

My argument was merely focusing on intelligent design

But remarkably,God is also intelligent designer by definition


If the naturalistic theory we know is completely wrong, does that mean the god theory must be completely right?

Your job is not to show that the naturalistic theory is wrong, your job is to show the god theory is right

Now you have reached where I wanted

My reading of logic is that,there is only one way used to dismiss a valid argument

All you have to do is to reject any of its premise and conclusion,otherwise you ought to accept it

There is similar situation here,we have two models say,X and Y both are explaining the same phenomenon

If X fails,we must cling to other[Y]

If materialist models fail to explain cosmic origin

Why are you rejecting intelligent design models?

ID's explanation is probable,from the fact that,we see properties of design in nature and bios

Why are you limiting this argument to two wordviews?

Have you exhausted the knowledge of the world?

I rejected the notion that complexity must be designed, because that will necessarily create the question of who created the designer, ad infinitum.

You must know that the notion that complexity must be designed is necessarily disputing the existence of a complex god, because that notion will in essence mean that that god must be designed himself.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

You can't say comlexity must have a designer, but god, who is by definition complex enough to create the universe we see by your worldview, does not have a designer.

You will be violating a central tenet of your own argument. Namely, complexity must have a designer.

You will be full of unreconcilable arbitrariness.

 

[Ramesh Topiwalla]

Idol are the created gods that you and your brothers are proclaiming...

In my article please say which idol and created god is there that you are talking about.

 

[Ramesh Topiwalla]

M only worshiping to the One and only...the true creator of everything..the most beneficent the most merciful

Appreciate that. That is indeed the way it should be. The One true creator of every thing is every where, including in his creation.

 

[dally dally]

Who create God?

 

[Ramesh Topiwalla]

Hao wanaabidu hadi nyani, nyoka. Ngombe...

If I love and worship my job, whatever it is, I shall do it with full commitment and will try to do it perfectly. On the other hand, if my work is only a source of income for me or a means of idling away my time, my work at best will be mediocre. If I respect my elders - father, mother with reverence, my family will be happier family.

If I search for and visualize the one true creator in all his creations, I shall associate with the divine qualities in each one that I associate with. I shall not have to tolerate a Satan or a Kaffir around me but be with divinity and reverence. If cow is my source of income, my reverence for cow is also my ideal way of my welfare. If I have reverence for nature, I should not be wanting to destroy nature but nurture it. I shall be more ecofriendly. One reason of global warming is indeed irreverence for nature.

If I restrict my worship to the One Creator excluding his creations where also He is manifest, I shall fall into the trap of tolerance and hatred for Satan and Kaffir and associated vices. The choice is mine whether I associate with divinity or destruction.

 

[H1N1]

Who create God?

You are the one who should tell us the creator of your created god
Non of God believers claimed that God was created !

 

[H1N1]

Hujaweza kuthibitisha kwamba mungu yupo na si kwamba ni hadithi ya kitoto tu.

Thibitisha.

Hiyo ndiyo " default position " has ukionyeshwa mapungufu kwenye fikra zako kwa kukuonyesha hoja fyongo uzitoazo.
Kama sijaweza kutjibitisha uwepo wake ndiyo unakuwa ushahidi kwako kwamba hayupo
Mr square root of two ! Come out and think ...

 

[H1N1]

To be honest,I do not know why God allows existence of natural evils or disasters

Even the great man himself,Thomas aquinas failed to resolve successfully that puzzle
His answer is inadequate

Perhaps God had his own good moral reasons.

Brother Mish Albert the question of evil and good is valid only and only if raised by a God believer
If you are not a God believer what is the moral laws that you are going to use in separating good from evils ?
A non believer who asks about good and evils he asks without understanding that "space and time" can not differentiate good and evil

 

[H1N1]

Who is your Idol? Jesus Christ or Prophet Mohammed?

In my article please say which idol and created god is there that you are talking about.

Refresh you mind

 

[mwaswast]

God serves as our[theists] moral standard and sustainer of the world

You are free thinker,right?
Free thinkers are ready for any possibility,they are inbetween

Whether there is God or not

Now i ask you,where do you put your trust?in idealists or materialist standpoint?

The fact that you have never seen god justifies your insanity. Believes are what divide people while doubts unites them. Which is the true religion if I may ask you?

 

[H1N1]

The fact that you have never seen god justifies your insanity. Believes are what divide people while doubts unites them. Which is the true religion if I may ask you?

Insanity manifest in human who have not seen God.?
Interesting
True religion ? The world view that makes sense is Judeo - Christian to be precise

 

[mwaswast]

 

[mwaswast]

Insanity manifest in human who have not seen God.?
Interesting
True religion ? The world view that makes sense is Judeo - Christian to be precise

so all other religions are doomed for ''hell''?

 

[Mish Albert]

The fact that you have never seen god justifies your insanity.

Why are you using harsh language chief?

If insane is the one who believes in something which he[she] has never seen,then we are all insanes by definition

Quantum mechanics throws scientists into mysticism,they are forced to believe in something which is essentially invisible

Quantum physicists are believing in existence of quarks,but they have never seen them

Does that justifies their insanity?

Is Quantum mechanics nonsense because it explain unseen things?

Believes are what divide people while doubts unites them.

You are not deserve to be the free thinker,you are clueless weak atheist

Beliefs are essential,even in science you need a faith

Which is the true religion if I may ask you?

You have not answered my question

Can you prove the negative?

You have made the incoherent claim that 'beliefs divide people'

Now burden of proofs is on your shoulder,show how?

 

[H1N1]

Why hell ? What hell has to do with "world view " that do not make sense ?

 

[Mish Albert]

Brother Mish Albert

Sorry,I aint male

the question of evil and good is valid only and only if raised by a God believer

No,you have it backward

Problem of evil can be raised by any kinda debater

Even if you are atheist,you can,for sake of argument,assume that omnibenevolent being exists

And you can use him as moral standard

If you are not a God believer what is the moral laws that you are going to use in separating good from evils?

Your entire question depend on what you mean by evil
Evil is any unpleasant,harm and bad thing

As you can see,the definition is absolute,it does not depend on your moral compass

A non believer who asks about good and evils he asks without understanding that "space and time" can not differentiate good and evil