This election is not about Lowassa, It is about us

[kui]

kui my dear, I would have liked to go through this journey being on your side but I cannot. It has nothing to do with CDM or Lowasa. This time it has everything to do with UKAWA and its internal structure. I really would like the opposition to work hard in forming a coherent union or coalition and face CCM squarely. The current unstable UKAWA will put us all in jeopardy, if they win. This is from my heart and not just partisan posturing.

I hope we are still friends or at least in good talking terms.

Of course we are, but we'll always crash when it comes to this.

 

[kui]

What I finally learned is that if I keep my mouth shut when arguing with a fool, the flies won't get in.

yero can I rent you when I get into a beef with someone....lol!

 

[Kifyatu]

What I finally learned is that if I keep my mouth shut when arguing with a fool, the flies won't get in.

You know yero, I really would like to meet your parents. I was already a tenured faculty at UDSM when Magufuli came as a first year student. I didn't teach him but I probably taught your parents in college. I would like to tell them how a spoiled, disrespectful little brat you have turned out to be.

What kind of a Moran are you? Did they actually circumcise you and teach you ethics and respect for your elders? Or are you one of these pampered, Oyster-bay gated community Morans?

Just in this thread alone you have insulted your parents, grandparents, and all the elders. How can you call yourself a Maasai worrier. Just a waste of talents you worthless piece of garbage. If I was your father I would disown you. You are a disgrace to all young fighters in UKAWA.

cc. Jack Daniel's, kui

 

[Kifyatu]

Mkuu, please understand that some of these guys know less about politics and development....and they are so stuck up with the past ideologies that have brought nothing but undervelopment in this country....

For example, what can you think of a person preferring a gang of corrupt individuals to rule this country instead of a vibrant opposition?....that is purely puerile...

That is nothing other than a lame opinion coming from an ignoramus who is not serious about serious problems facing our country.....and that is why I said previously that the thinking capacity of some of these guys is surprisingly substandard....

That person is called smart. You may have closed your eyes and don't see the sure perils ahead of us if UKAWA takes over. I am not going to join this migration knowing very well of the dangers by and across the river. If indeed UKAWA wins you will see what I am talking about - mark my words.

When an ignoramus warns you that you are veering off the road and you ignore him, don't complain when you plunge off the cliff. - You have been warned.

cc. yero, kui

 

[Kubwajinga]

And you,, Do you mean to mumble or is your head just naturally full of shit? don't be such a dumbasss, you are repeating things here and you don't answer for corruption and illegal activities done by CCM members including Magufuli and his team. There is a reason why Lowassa should invest heavily in education to fix some of these problems where we have many fools in Tanzania.

Again till kieleweke;

1. Magufuli has never been accused of any grand corruption.
2. LOWASSA has been a culprit in every corruption of his PM era. He had to relinquish the office to avoid censure.
   
3. Magufuli possesses no wealth that is beyond his income.
4. LOWASSA cant even explain his riches himself. Who can explain what he stole. Being rich is not a sin but how you got there can be.
   

LOWASSA is Like a Child Molester Whom We Can't Entrust With Our Beautiful Baby Mageuzi.

 

[kui]

That person is called smart. You may have closed your eyes and don't see the sure perils ahead of us if UKAWA takes over. I am not going to join this migration knowing very well of the dangers by and across the river. If indeed UKAWA wins you will see what I am talking about - mark my words.

When an ignoramus warns you that you are veering off the road and you ignore him, don't complain when you plunge off the cliff. - You have been warned.

cc. yero, kui

Mkuu Kifyatu
Do you mind sharing with us briefly what the worst thing that could possibly happen to us (if chadema wins) that haven't happened for the past 54yrs that we've been trotting under ccm?!

 

[Jack Daniel's]

That person is called smart. You may have closed your eyes and don't see the sure perils ahead of us if UKAWA takes over. I am not going to join this migration knowing very well of the dangers by and across the river. If indeed UKAWA wins you will see what I am talking about - mark my words.

When an ignoramus warns you that you are veering off the road and you ignore him, don't complain when you plunge off the cliff. - You have been warned.

You have answered one (1) out of my six (6) questions (post #218, my response to your second quote) in my post # 208 (original) and #218 (repeated).....and with just one answer you've provided, people have already questioned your intellectual capacity.....

I don't want more warnings, I want more answers, answers to my five (5) remaining questions in the format stipulated....when I asked you ten (10{a-j}) questions at my post #179, you replied and answered all of them at your post #188 and you said, I quote, "This is an excellent engagement and I can do this anytime".....let me know whenever you have the answers.....

Now, 'anytime' means you can now answer my questions designed to test your theory of "disasters/peril/dangers if UKAWA wins"...I'll understand your preachings of perils/disasters/dangers when your theory hold true especially in those case examples.....

I reiterate that I always deal with FACTS and not FICTIONS....

 

[Kifyatu]

Mkuu Kifyatu
Do you mind sharing with us briefly what the worst thing that could possibly happen to us (if chadema wins) that haven't happened for the past 54yrs that we've been trotting under ccm?!

I am not sure if you remember my evolution from supporting the opposition to now endorsing CCM.

I wanted CDM to win because of the solid policies and strategies they had formulated over the years to liberate the poor and downtrodden. Let us not bring Lowasa in because you guys almost convinced me to give him a chance.

However, when CDM wrapped itself into UKAWA, CDM was weakened. There is a tri-factor at work that is very unstable. This is what I am afraid of. The tri-factor I am talking about is:

1. CDM as the lead party would like to exert control over governance after elections.
   
2. The band of CCM implants led by Lowasa who expect to have a major sway after elections. After all they would claim that UKAWA wouldn't have captured IKULU if it hadn't been for them.
   
3. Then there are the other opposition parties in UKAWA who would claim that they gave up ambitions for presidency and they cannot be ignored.

This tri-factor is a recipe for disaster. The UKAWA government will be marred by internal conflicts to the extent of affecting their governance. This instability will be more detrimental to country's progress that the CCM (now checked - I hope) corruption.

I am just being pragmatic Ms. kui. I have nothing personal against UKAWA.

 

[Kifyatu]

You have answered one (1) out of my six (6) questions (post #218, my response to your second quote) in my post # 208 (original) and #218 (repeated).....and with just one answer you've provided, people have already questioned your intellectual capacity.....

I don't care what people think of my intellectual capacity. I am on solid, firm ground Sir. I told you if you wish to interact with me then pose your questions in a short paragraph or two. I mean it. I am not playing this sentence by sentence rebuttals anymore.

I don't want more warnings, I want more answers, answers to my five (5) remaining questions in the format stipulated....when I asked you ten (10{a-j}) questions at my post #179, you replied and answered all of them at your post #188 and you said, I quote, "This is an excellent engagement and I can do this anytime".....let me know whenever you have the answers.....

You don't stipulate nothing to me, lawyer boy. I don't have time to wade through postings to fish out your questions. Distill your five rumbling questions into a short paragraph otherwise no dice.

Now, 'anytime' means you can now answer my questions designed to test your theory of "disasters/peril/dangers if UKAWA wins"...I'll understand your preachings of perils/disasters/dangers when your theory hold true especially in those case examples.....

I reiterate that I always deal with FACTS and not FICTIONS....

I just answered kui this question. She asked it much more politely, thank you. Check my response at my post #283.

 

[Jack Daniel's]

When you're done answering, we'll then compare your responses with facts and realities in a broader discussion:

I don't care what people think of my intellectual capacity. I am on solid, firm ground Sir. I told you if you wish to interact with me then pose your questions in a short paragraph or two. I mean it. I am not playing this sentence by sentence rebuttals anymore.

When I asked you ten questions at my post#179 you replied all of them at your post #188.You didn't say they were not one or two paragraphs, instead you just gave your answers. May be they were more easier,weren't they?. The same method should apply here. These are just fact finding sentences.

You don't stipulate nothing to me, lawyer boy. I don't have time to wade through postings to fish out your questions. Distill your five rumbling questions into a short paragraph otherwise no dice.

You've just referred me to your post #283, but you don't want to be referred. I have to emphasize though, that I did insist on my posts #208 and #218 that my questions shouldn't be sidestepped.

I have brought them back:

According to your hypothesis of replacement with viable opposition, CCM should still continuously rule despite their failure to deliver on their preceding promises??? YES or NO..If the answer is YES,why do parties campaign?? If the answer is NO,why shouldn't we punish under performance??

What do you have to say say about Escrow, Richmond, Meremeta, Mwananchi Gold, Import Commodity Support (CIS), EPA, ANBEN, Simba Trust,Kinana's Ivory business, Magufuli's Fake ferry boat and Kebby's Hotel, Selling of government residential houses, Ridhiwani's illegal drug business etc.???Do you mean we shouldn't worry about these???YES or NO.If the answer is YES,how can the government expenditure help fulfill the promises in campaigns??,if the answer is NO,why should we put back a corrupt system??

NARC was formed expediently in the aftermath of the Kenyan constitutional referendum, they ended up winning the election of 2002 and ousting and annihilating KANU and bringing progress not disasters to the Kenyan people. Does your theory of "quickly formed unions creating disasters" holds here????YES or NO...If YES,.how??..If NO,why??

History tells us that non-disclosure of power sharing agreement has been a source of disaster in a nation…..APC(Nigeria) didn't disclose their power sharing structure any time before the election….NARC(Kenya) didn't do it….if you don't agree share with us an example to substantiate your argument.

The following is a Nigerian case study……

{The resolution to form APC (ruling party) in Nigeria was signed by Tom Ikimi, the who represented the ACN; Annie Okonkwo on behalf of the APGA; , Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau, the Chairman of ANPP's Merger Committee; and Garba Shehu, the Chairman of CPC's Merger Committee. Surprisingly, less than 2 years before the party's historic victory in the 2015 elections, TOP LEADERS Annie Okonkwo, Tom Ikimi and Ibrahim Shekarau resigned from the party and joined the PDP}

Does your theory of unviable opposition hold in this case??YES or NO..if the answer is YES,tell me the disasters in Nigeria, if the answer is NO,your theory is unfounded….

I just answered kui this question. She asked it much more politely, thank you. Check my response at my post #283.

These are your arguments according to what you call a tri-factor for a disaster:

CDM as the lead party would like to exert control over governance after elections.

Give an example of a lead party within a union of political parties that have done so.....and explain with examples why would CDM do that?.....

The band of CCM implants led by Lowasa who expect to have a major sway after elections. After all they would claim that UKAWA wouldn't have captured IKULU if it hadn't been for them.

Is this not a pure imagination at work backed up with no evidence or example?.....substantiate why we should believe your fantasies....Is there any disaster you've predicted before that happened the same way that you predicted?

Then there are the other opposition parties in UKAWA who would claim that they gave up ambitions for presidency and they cannot be ignored.

Anything to back up your claim sir?...remember here we deal with facts not fictions......

 

[yero]

Again till kieleweke;

1. Magufuli has never been accused of any grand corruption.
2. LOWASSA has been a culprit in every corruption of his PM era. He had to relinquish the office to avoid censure.
   
3. Magufuli possesses no wealth that is beyond his income.
4. LOWASSA cant even explain his riches himself. Who can explain what he stole. Being rich is not a sin but how you got there can be.
   

LOWASSA is Like a Child Molester Whom We Can't Entrust With Our Beautiful Baby Mageuzi.

There is a good reason you called yourself Kubwajinga because that is exactly who you are. And anybody who liked that post of yours should be Kubwajinga with a different name.

 

[yero]

You know yero, I really would like to meet your parents. I was already a tenured faculty at UDSM when Magufuli came as a first year student. I didn't teach him but I probably taught your parents in college. I would like to tell them how a spoiled, disrespectful little brat you have turned out to be.

What kind of a Moran are you? Did they actually circumcise you and teach you ethics and respect for your elders? Or are you one of these pampered, Oyster-bay gated community Morans?

Just in this thread alone you have insulted your parents, grandparents, and all the elders. How can you call yourself a Maasai worrier. Just a waste of talents you worthless piece of garbage. If I was your father I would disown you. You are a disgrace to all young fighters in UKAWA.

Are you male or female? but whether you are male or female somewhere out there is a tree, tirelessly producing oxygen so you can breathe, I think you owe it an apology.

 

[yero]

yero can I rent you when I get into a beef with someone....lol!

You are an idiot.

 

[Kifyatu]

When you're done answering, we'll then compare your responses with facts and realities in a broader discussion:

When I asked you ten questions at my post#179 you replied all of them at your post #188.You didn't say they were not one or two paragraphs, instead you just gave your answers. May be they were more easier,weren't they?. The same method should apply here. These are just fact finding sentences.You've just referred me to your post #283, but you don't want to be referred. I have to emphasize though, that I did insist on my posts #208 and #218 that my questions shouldn't be sidestepped.

I have brought them back:

These are your arguments according to what you call a tri-factor for a disaster:

Give an example of a lead party within a union of political parties that have done so.....and explain with examples why would CDM do that?.....

Is this not a pure imagination at work backed up with no evidence or example?.....substantiate why we should believe your fantasies....Is there any disaster you've predicted before that happened the same way that you predicted?

Anything to back up your claim sir?...remember here we deal with facts not fictions......

I don't have to give you any examples. Some of these things have no precedences. Didn't they teach you this in law school?

I gave you my explanation for ditching UKAWA. If you don't believe me then just wait. There is a good chance UKAWA will win (regardless of what the polls say) and you will see, you doubting Thomas.

cc. kui

 

[kui]

You are an idiot.

...and was somehow serious!

 

[Jack Daniel's]

You sidestepped my five (5) questions again at post #285 without explanation, I put it to you that you don't want them.....

I don't have to give you any examples.

While you don't have examples, I do, and I'll give you examples:

In 1991 Kenneth Kaunda's UNIP was defeated by MMD of Frederick Chiluba, was there any disasters in Zambia? MMD was subsequently ousted by PF in 2011, was there any perils?

Bakili Muluzi's UDP ousted MCP of Dr. Hastings Kamuzu Banda in 1994, no disasters took place in Malawi....

Muhammadu Buhari APC(ACN,CPC, ANPP) won against PDP march 2015, no disasters happened.

NARC ousted KANU in 2002, was there any disasters/perils/dangers?​

Some of these things have no precedences. Didn't they teach you this in law school?

Now that is a prediction. The say "the only relevant test of the validity of a hypothesis is comparison of prediction with experience"...so sir, kindly tell us something tangible to compare your prediction with....

I gave you my explanation for ditching UKAWA.

You have never been a UKAWA supporter. You didn't explain anything, you just made a prediction. There is a difference between an explanation and a prediction.

If you don't believe me then just wait.

Andrew Jackson (D) revived an old party, formed a coalition and named it Democratic Party as we know it today.....Democrats won the1828 presidential elections for the first time and ended the 40 years rule of Republicans by defeating John Quincy Adams(R)......no disasters took place despite warnings from Republicans.....

Just like now, where CCM and their supporters are attacking Lowassa and UKAWA and predicting the worst case scenario, the 1828 elections was assailed with attacks against Andrew Jackson, his wife and Democrats, attacks that resulted into the death of his wife one month before his inauguration.....Jackson's opponents referred to him as a 'jackass'....

Americans waited for eight (8) years during Jackson's administration but no disaster happened....

Kenyans, Zambians, Malawians and Nigerians waited but no disasters were reported.....Why should I wait?

There is a good chance UKAWA will win (regardless of what the polls say) and you will see, you doubting Thomas.

They say "Try not to get involved in the business of prediction. It's a quick way to look like an idiot".

 

[yero]

...and was somehow serious!

I don't care. You are a big fool.

 

[kui]

I don't care. You are a big fool.

I'm a fool because I gave a fool a test of his own medicine :thinking:

 

[yero]

I'm a fool because I gave a fool a test of his own medicine :thinking:

Your ass must be jealous of all the shit coming out of your mouth.

 

[kui]

Your ass must be jealous of all the shit coming out of your mouth.

Your azz should be proud, that's a whole lot of sh**t coming out of you!