This election is not about Lowassa, It is about us

This election is not about Lowassa, It is about us

We urgently need new prosperous-Tanzania. To reach this primary goal we need change not in character nor the presidency,we need to revamp the whole system which has lead us to this point.we need someone who can dare to do that a die hard person who knows in and out of the system and can not hesitate to do that.
 
HOMOSAPIEN said:
We urgently need new prosperous-Tanzania. To reach this primary goal we need change not in character nor the presidency,we need to revamp the whole system which has lead us to this point.we need someone who can dare to do that a die hard person who knows in and out of the system and can not hesitate to do that.
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That's true. It is also true that, that type of change cannot happen from within, it has to take place from the outside....we need the path to our country's future, promise and hope of freedom and prosperity back to its rightful place.....and the group of people responsible for the displacement cannot be suitable for the restoration....

cc: kui Mtumishi Wetu limited yero
 
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Jack Daniel's said:
That's true. It is also true that, that type of change cannot happen from within, it has to take place from the outside....we need the path to our country's future, promise and hope of freedom and prosperity back to its rightful place.....and the group of people responsible for the displacement cannot be suitable for the restoration....

cc: kui Mtumishi Wetu limited yero
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"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." Barack Obama

Simple: Change in the Tanzania will not happen if we wait for someone else to do something. We must do something ourselves if we want things to change. First and Foremost, We must Vote CCM out.
 
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Jack Daniel's Sir, we have locked horns before but I should say I agree with you (partially) here that this election is about us and our future prospects.

Probably, I should preface the following with a statement that - almost all political parties in Tanzania do not differ in ideology (socialistic, capitalistic, communistic, fascistic, you know the gamut) - but they differ slightly in policies. To bring a computer analogy here, we can liken ideologies to hardware and policies to software. Whereas ideologies are rigid and hard to change, policies are fungible.

I have always liked UKAWA policies (let us cut it down to a chase - I like CDM policies). Where you and I differ slightly is that you assume after elections UKAWA will have control over the president in how he executes UKAWA policies. The 1977 constitution gives the president of the United Republic of Tanzania imperial powers and often cannot be controlled by his/her party.

I would like to hear your take on:
  • What strategies does UKAWA have to control this CCM implant after he takes over the presidency?
  • What if he flips on us and goes rogue, what then?

I would also like to hear comments from people I have so much respect for, like Nietzsche and kui.


cc. yero Goodluck Mshana Mtumishi Wetu homosapiens
 
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Kifyatu

I like different views….As far as change in Tanzania is concerned, we have UKAWA who regardless of the ideological differences of the parties have narrowed down to a union…. This kind of union is not unique to Tanzania per se.

In Nigeria for instance, All Progressive Congress (APC-federalism) party was formed 2 years before the election by three opposition parties with different ideologies and policies as well…. As for UKAWA they’ve made it clear that they’ve synced their policies with CHADEMA’s. So, CHADEMA’s policies are UKAWA’s, UKAWA is not a political party, it is an umbrella for which the four parties are under.

You assume that I assume that after election UKAWA will have control of the President. However you also assume that the president is not controllable. Unilateral Powers are there, even US President can exercise Executive Actions. Nevertheless there is this New Constitution which is where the name UKAWA has been derived, which is the priority of UKAWA if you’ve checked on CDM’s policies…..
 
Kifyatu

I have to disagree with the nickname you created…This is a Nation of Laws, under the 1977 Constitution which CCM really never wanted to change, the President is having a lot of Powers…I can’t precisely answer for UKAWA, however my general opinion is that, what UKAWA is campaigning for throughout the country has to be delivered within the next five years or so….time is of the essence….

I heard for instance, that UKAWA is going to try to bring back the public funds deposited abroad illegally by government officials…There is going to be a ‘SHAKE UP’ of the system….We can’t avoid that…Is like Installing Windows 10 on a Windows XP computer….The president’s actions, using the 1977 Constitution, if they are advancing Nation’s Interests, I’ll support them…

You assume the President will change from the one we are seeing in campaigns to some Zombie going rogue…I bet that will not happen…CDM unlike CCM is in control, the presidential candidate is not a Chairman or Secretary of the Party, he is just a member (until now)….
 
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I have no problem with the union of opposition parties - I think it is smart. My question was and still is - how will party elites (UKAWA or CDM) control Lowasa if he diverts from the core policies guiding these parties? These are the policies that have endeared us and made us wish for change.

Yes, under UKAWA we will get a new constitution for which they have fought bitterly. However, the new constitution will not apply the winner of this coming election. It will be applicable to the winner of the 2020 election.

I guess I am a control freak but I have serious problem operating on faith.
 
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You are a man of faith Sir. I would have liked to see some kind of a pledge from Lowasa to UKAWA, on core policy issues, that he will promise to implement. I don't know how legally binding those pledges would be once in office but it will, at least, have put him on notice that they are watching him.

I have a very bad feeling about this. Like the feeling of your hair standing on the back of your neck when you pass by the cemetery at midnight. Bad gut feeling.

I was hopping you knew something I don't that would allay my fears.
 
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To marshal it up CCM had some profound leaders in the past,unfortunately! that doctrine swerved away in the bushes and it turned into a history apparently. On the contrary the arrival of Lowassa who clung to many Tanzanians in need of positive changes has been cherished and trusted. It is in my deep understanding that, this shift is enormous and has been a major soar to CCMs who are now been labeled as the factory of Mafisadis because of their failures to lure this nation towards better economy and other benefits commensurately . From that analysis, i would also shift my interest towards Lowassa just for the sake of seeking that necessary change we desperately need!! I am urging Tanzanians to wake up and rethink about this if they are ready for that significant transition of this nation.
 
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I couldn't agree more. This year Tanzanians should chose a new path, a new system, a new katiba etc. The judicial Englishmen of old said 'to be foolish is to do the same thing over again while expecting different results!'
 
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Kifyatu said:
You are a man of faith Sir. I would have liked to see some kind of a pledge from Lowasa to UKAWA, on core policy issues, that he will promise to implement. I don't know how legally binding those pledges would be once in office but it will, at least, have put him on notice that they are watching him.

I have a very bad feeling about this. Like the feeling of your hair standing on the back of your neck when you pass by the cemetery at midnight. Bad gut feeling.

I was hopping you knew something I don't that would allay my fears.
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What is the source of fears you are talking about? Please clarify... Is that fear similar to the one some CCM guys are talking about?

Is there something that Lowassa did that makes you fear him as a president? What did CCM do to Lowassa that makes them fear him on the grounds of vengeance?

What about what they are still doing in campaigns by besmirching his name and insulting him?
 
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What is the source of fears you are talking about? Please clarify... Is that fear similar to the one some CCM guys are talking about?

Is there something that Lowassa did that makes you fear him as a president? What did CCM do to Lowassa that makes them fear him on the grounds of vengeance?

What about what they are still doing in campaigns by besmirching his name and insulting him?
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Kifyatu Sorry to say that your fears are baseless. I believe that the President does not rule alone, he is a part of a bureaucracy, and there is a certain way that he must conduct his business in line with the ruling party/coalition's policies (in this case the UKAWA coalition).
But i don't blame you. By the 1977 constitution the President is this very powerful majestic person who is almost a 'god among mortals'. That is the president that Tanzanians have known for over 50 years now. UKAWA has promised to change that by implementing the katiba ya wananchi. Lowassa will rule by that katiba; not the 1977 one or the one Chenge and his goons passed. There are many checks on the presidential powers and clear demarcations of jurisdictions of the executive and legislative branches of government. Parliament will be fearless in rebuking the executive and vice versa.
Lastly, please bear in mind that this election carries with it the fate of the nation for half a century or more to come. CCM's victory will be the victory of CCM's katiba.
 
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Kifyatu Sorry to say that your fears are baseless. I believe that the President does not rule alone, he is a part of a bureaucracy, and there is a certain way that he must conduct his business in line with the ruling party/coalition's policies (in this case the UKAWA coalition).
But i don't blame you. By the 1977 constitution the President is this very powerful majestic person who is almost a 'god among mortals'. That is the president that Tanzanians have known for over 50 years now. UKAWA has promised to change that by implementing the katiba ya wananchi. Lowassa will rule by that katiba; not the 1977 one or the one Chenge and his goons passed. There are many checks on the presidential powers and clear demarcations of jurisdictions of the executive and legislative branches of government. Parliament will be fearless in rebuking the executive and vice versa.
Lastly, please bear in mind that this election carries with it the fate of the nation for half a century or more to come. CCM's victory will be the victory of CCM's katiba.
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Your clarification here supports Jack Daniel's comments before yours. I am glad there are brave fighters like you who can go to sleep at night peacefully, knowing that when (not if) elected Lowasa will do UKAWA's bidding.

This is where the two of you and I differ especially following your comments in blue. If Lowasa is elected based on the 1977 constitution, even if the constitution is changed (to the one supported by UKAWA) the next day, the president's powers will remain those accorded to him by the 1977 law that elected him. We will have to rely on his goodwill to defer to UKAWA elites suggestions. That is to implement UKAWA policies, the very policies he had fought against a couple of months ago. BUT you know, he doesn't have to do it. This is why I suggested the idea of a pledge - just to be able to shame him if he violates his promises.

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But I guess it is too late now. We are discussing a moot point. Alea iacta est - The die is cast.

If elected, the next 5 years can either be a smooth sailing with Lowasa at the helm or it can be a very frightening roller coaster ride from hell. Either way, fasten your seat belts.
 
Kifyatu
He can't really be that bad to liken him to the devil. We are not talking about a savage madman picked from the jungle; this is a former Prime Minister. I dare say that the two years he spent in office were quite fruitful.
Besides, I am not sure what the 1977 constitution says about a President who's expelled from the party that put him there. But i am sure there are mechanisms to discipline an errant president.
 
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He can't really be that bad to liken him to the devil. We are not talking about a savage madman picked from the jungle; this is a former Prime Minister. I dare say that the two years he spent in office were quite fruitful.
Besides, I am not sure what the 1977 constitution says about a President who's expelled from the party that put him there. But i am sure there are mechanisms to discipline an errant president.
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Let us all cling to that HOPE Sir. We will need it.
 
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