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Truth About flight MH370 dissapearance
Truth About flight MH370 dissapearance
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Anyhow today is exactly 1 month since disappearance and lets see what has been on the media and from the secret freelance intelligence on the same.
Search Participation and cost
BANGKOK - It's not a question most governments involved in the hunt for the Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 care to answer: How much has the far-flung, month-long search cost?
The U.S. bill alone has run into the millions of dollars, and some countries such as China have devoted more ships and planes to the effort than the Americans have. Australia is spending more than half a million dollars a day on just one of the ships it has in the Indian Ocean.
But governments and military experts say it's difficult to come up with a full estimate for an ongoing search, especially since many of the costs are a normal part of maintaining effective search-and-rescue capabilities.
"If I listed how many planes and boats are involved, I could confect a very large number, but it wouldn't have much meaning, because we've got to pay for the boats and the planes and the pilots and the sailors anyway, and they're out there doing some stuff which is good training and reflects well on us internationally," said Mark Thomson, senior analyst of defence economics at the government-funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
More than two dozen countries have played some role in the search for MH370 and it is already proving to be very costly. The U.S. bill alone has run into the millions of dollars, and some countries such as China have devoted more ships and planes to the effort than the Americans have. Australia is spending more than half a million dollars a day on just one of the ships it has in the Indian Ocean.
But governments and military experts say it's difficult to come up with a full estimate for an ongoing search, especially since many of the costs are a normal part of maintaining effective search-and-rescue capabilities.
'If I listed how many planes and boats are involved, I could confect a very large number, but it wouldn't have much meaning, because we've got to pay for the boats and the planes and the pilots and the sailors anyway, and they're out there doing some stuff which is good training and reflects well on us internationally,' said Mark Thomson, senior analyst of defense economics at the government-funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute. In the days since the search has shifted to remote areas of the Indian Ocean, several countries have deployed planes and ships for the effort, including China, Australia, Malaysia, the U.S., Britain, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea. On Monday, nine military planes, three civil aircraft and 14 ships were combing a 234,000-square-kilometre (90,000-square-mile) search area, according to Australian officials coordinating the search. Malaysia has repeatedly declined to answer questions about the cost of the search. Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein has said the cost is immaterial, and the focus is to find the plane and provide closure for the families of the 239 people aboard. The U.S. Department of Defense allocated $4 million to help search for the missing Malaysian jetliner.
Between March 8 and March 24, it had spent $3.2 million, said spokesman Col. Steve Warren.
As of late last week it had spent another $148,000.
The Pentagon has allocated another $3.6 million to cover the cost of a towed pinger locator, used to detect underwater signals from aircraft black boxes, and an underwater autonomous vehicle, which can look for wreckage deep below the ocean surface.
Australia's defense department said its direct cost of using its ship the HMAS Success in the search is about $550,000 per day, and another vessel, the HMAS Toowoomba, costs about $380,000 per day. But it said there are not only direct costs such as fuel, servicing and crew salaries, but indirect costs such as general administration, building costs and depreciation of aircraft assets, so it is difficult to provide an exact total. Several Chinese ships and planes have been involved in the search, but China's foreign ministry did not respond to questions about the expense of the effort. Geoff Davies, a spokesman for New Zealand's defence force, said much of his country's costs will be covered by the existing budget for search and rescue operations, though there are likely to be some extra costs because of the extraordinary nature of the search. Japan's defence ministry said it could not provide a figure because the search is continuing. The cost of the search operation is believed to fall within the 880 million yen ($8.8 million) budgeted for emergency relief for the Japan International Cooperation Agency. Extra costs incurred by the operation include fuel a special allowance for the roughly 90 troops involved. Some Japanese civilians are also participating, and the government said their accommodation and transportation has cost about 28 million yen ($280,000). Accommodation for the Japanese troops is free, as they use facilities at the Australian military under their defense cooperation agreement.
Video reference
1. Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian (From the co-actors)
2. MH370 flight path skirted Indonesia - YouTube (CNN still talking about the path and avoidance of detection)
Sound signal picked up by co-actor Australia
Today 8th April, 2014
Earlier today the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, which is leading the search from Perth, said that 11 military planes, three civilian planes and 14 ships are involved in today's search.
In a statement JACC said: "[The Australia Maritime Safety Authority] has directed the search of one large area today of approximately 77,580 square kilometres, 2,268 kilometres north west of Perth.
2:09 pm
Retired Royal Air Force Lt. Col. Michael Kay predicted the search for the pingers would continue for another week and a half.
"We know that the batteries can last up to 40 days," he told CNN.
Kay added: "If I was Angus Houston, I would be putting the search out to at least 42, 43 (days) to make absolutely sure that the batteries had failed."
1:45 pm
The area 6,000m below sea level is known as the Hadal Zone.
It is the deepest zone of the ocean layering scheme.
The zone is named after the realm of Greek god Hades, the Lord of the Underworld and the unforgiving habitat is cold, high pressured and devoid of oxygen.
Titanic director James Cameron journeyed seven miles into the depths of the Marina Trench, which is in the Hadal Zone, in 2009.
Recap: - Malaysia confirms that MH370 is lost in the Southern Indian Ocean
Updated @ 09:50 March 25: We've published a second story, detailing the impressive techniques used by Inmarsat to confirm that flight MH370 crash landed into the Indian Ocean.
Updated @ 10:24 March 24: The Malaysian prime minister, speaking at a press conference minutes ago, says that British investigators have concluded that Malaysia Airlines MH370 did indeed take the southern flight corridor over the Indian Ocean. This conclusion appears to be based on the same Inmarsat data from last week. "According to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the Indian Ocean," prime minister Najib Razak said. Following this confirmation, Malaysia Airlines sent a text message to relatives, saying that "we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived."
As for what actually happened to flight MH370, we still don't know. The southern Indian Ocean is one of the most remote parts of the world, making it an incredibly hard location to search. It is entirely possible that we will never find the flight data recorder (black box), and thus never find out what actually happened on board.
Updated @ 12:50 March 21: Bad news - so far, despite five aircraft being dispatched by Australia and the US, no debris of flight MH370 has been found. This is likely because the debris, which was spotted in satellite imagery from March 16, has since drifted a significant distance (hundreds of miles). So far the planes have been using radar to look for the debris, covering large swaths of ocean from a high altitude, but now the search will be visual - which involves the planes flying very low, and covering much less ground (and thus more aircraft are needed). Other nations are sending aircraft and ships to aid with the search.
In other news, upon further investigation of MH370′s cargo manifest, it appears that the plane was carrying a shipment of lithium-ion batteries. In theory, LIBs are flammable - though there's really no reason to believe that these caused the disaster. Most authorities and investigators still believe that the plane was intentionally hijacked or sabotaged.
Updated @ 07:10 March 20: There has possibly been a breakthrough in the search for flight MH370. Australian authorities say they've found what appears to be the debris of the plane in some satellite imagery (pictured below). The debris is located about 1,500 miles (2,500km) from Perth in the Indian Ocean, off the south-west corner of Australia, along the same arc provided by the Inmarsat pings (see previous update below). Unfortunately, though, the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) sent an airplane to investigate the area - and could not locate any debris. "RAAF P3 crew unable to locate debris. Cloud & rain limited visbility. Further aircraft to continue search for #MH370 ," the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said in a tweet. Malaysian authorities haven't said much on the matter, only that this is the only credible lead that we have, so of course it will be investigated fully.
Updated @ 14:42 March 18: 11 days in, and we still have no idea what fate befell Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, or the 239 souls on board. We now know that the plane's Satcom link continued to ping an Inmarsat communications satellite (geosynchronously orbiting above the Indian ocean) for seven hours after last civilian air traffic control contact, until 8:11am local time. If the plane did continue flying for seven hours, it would probably have ended up in China's Taklamakan desert on the Kyrgyzstan border. This is a fairly appealing theory, as there would be plenty of space up there to land a plane without anyone noticing. The main problem with the "continued flight" theory though - even if the plane went south into the Indian Ocean instead - is that it would've had to cross the airspace of multiple countries without being spotted by military radar. If this really is the case - if the plane continued to fly on for seven hours - it's really starting to sound like the disappearance of flight MH370 was an incredibly sophisticated hijack, or the actions of a government-level conspiracy.
Updated @ 19:20 March 16: Somewhat unbelievably, more than a week after Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 disappeared, we still have absolutely no idea where the plane is. We are, however, starting to work out what happened. Basically, the Malaysian military have now admitted that they were tracking an unidentified contact across the country, and did nothing about it. It has now been confirmed that the unidentified contact was flight MH370. It seems, shortly after it completed its climb out of Kuala Lumpur airport, that the plane's ACARS tracking system was manually disabled by someone on the Boeing 777 - presumably one of the pilots. (Disabling the system would be impossible to do without both pilots knowing, however.) Malaysian military radar tracked the plane to the Strait of Malacca at 2:15am local time, and then the plane vanished. It has also emerged that the plane continued to send data to an Inmarsat satellite for five hours after last contact. 25 countries are now searching for the plane, across a huge swath of Asia (pictured below). At this point, hijacking is by far the most likely cause of this utterly insane scenario.
Updated @ 08:05 March 14: It's now been almost a week since flight MH370 disappeared without trace. From official Malaysian sources, there is still no news to report. According to an exclusive report by Reuters, however, some investigators are now fairly certain that the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 did in fact fly on for another four hours. Apparently, shortly after the last time it appeared on civilian radar (around 1:30am local time), MH370 turned west and started following navigational waypoints (Vampi, Gival, Igrex) usually used by flights towards the Middle East and Europe. According to two sources speaking to Reuters, the fact that the airplane simply vanished from air traffic control and civilian radar would suggest that someone on board the plane disabled its communication systems. If this new information is correct, MH370 actually disappeared somewhere in the Indian Ocean, near the Andaman Islands. Reuters says Malaysian authorities are now asking for radar data from Thailand, Indonesia, and India - all of which may have picked up flight MH370 after it vanished.
Updated @ 09:40 March 13: The farcical hunt for Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 continues. US investigators believe the plane may have continued for four further hours after its last sighting - a claim that Malaysian authorities have strongly denied. Malaysian authorities say they have spoken to both Boeing and Rolls-Royce, and they both confirmed that the plane's last ACARS transmission was at 1:07am, and at that time the plane was completely healthy. The radar blips at 2:15am (near the Strait of Malacca) and again at 2:30am, after being confirmed and then denied, are being investigated yet again. China released satellite images of the purported wreck of MH370 (below), but Malaysia's transport minister said they were released by mistake and "did not show any debris from MH370." Read on for previous updates and the original story.
Updated @ 14:10 March 12: As darkness falls over south-east Asia, the fifth day of the MH370 search-and-rescue mission draws to a close. There's still absolutely no indication of what happened to flight MH370, nor where it landed. The Malaysian authorities continue to flail embarrassingly. Crazy theories continue to be proposed. The search-and-rescue efforts now comprise of 42 ships and 39 aircraft from 12 different countries. DigitalGlobe is providing high-res satellite imagery of the search area, with analysis of the imagery then being crowdsourced by Tomnod - and apparently there's now a third possible location where the plane might've disappeared. So far, though, all of these efforts have turned up absolutely nothing.
Updated @ 08:25 March 12: This morning, as the search for flight MH370 heads into its fifth day, Malaysian authorities held a press conference in Kuala Lumpur to discuss the latest developments. Sadly, there wasn't really much to report. The Malaysian military are now denying that MH370 was tracked to the Strait of Malacca. The search area now covers 27,000 square nautical miles, 12,000+ in the Strait of Malacca and 14,000+ in the South China Sea (the plane's last known location). Rolls-Royce, which made the Boeing 777′s Trent 800 engines says it received two batches of engine diagnostic data from the plane after takeoff and during the cruise, as part of the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) – but there's nothing unusual about that. It does imply, however, that Malaysian Airlines - which received the full ACARS report - would know by now if the plane was suffering from any issues. As the airline hasn't said anything about the ACARS report, it's probably fairly safe to assume that all systems were functioning normally.
Updated @ 16:35 March 11: The fourth day of the MH370 search-and-rescue mission has come to a close, and we're still no closer to finding the missing plane. The search area has been expanded from 50 nautical miles (57 miles; 93km) to 100 nautical miles. It has also come to light that MH370′s co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, was extremely unprofessional during a flight in 2011. On a flight from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur, Hamid invited two South African teenagers into the cockpit, where they remained for the entirety of the flight, while he and the pilot smoked cigarettes while flying the plane. Whether this new finding has any bearing on the fate of MH370, we'll have to wait and see.
Updated @ 08:40 March 11: As the Malaysia Airlines MH370 search-and-rescue mission enters its fourth day, we still know almost nothing about the fate of the plane and the 239 people on board. Two passengers were travelling with stolen passports, but Interpol says they weren't terrorist threats. According to Malaysian military radar, it now seems likely that MH370 turned back after its last contact with air traffic control, possibly crashing into the Strait of Malacca. We still have no idea why it turned back, or where the plane ended up.
Updated @ 19:30 March 10: Very little new information has come to light since this story was first published this morning. Despite some oil slicks and debris being found in the South China Sea, authorities have confirmed that they didn't originate from the MH370. Numerous experts have attested to the Boeing 777′s excellent reliability and safety record, and puzzlement at how it could vanish from the skies. We still have no idea how or why the plane disappeared, nor where it crashed. There are very, very few reasons for a modern plane to suddenly disappear. Read on for the original story.
The original story: How did we lose Malaysia Airlines flight MH370?
A month ago, Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 vanished from radar off the south coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea. 239 people were on board - and at this point, it is presumed that they have all perished in some kind of disaster. A massive search and rescue effort involving 40 ships and 34 aircraft from nine different nations has yet to discover any sign of the missing aircraft. For me, this is almost incomprehensible: Despite all of the awesome technology that mankind has developed, it's still possible for a Boeing 777-200 with 239 people on board to vanish. For me, it's mind blowing that all we have to go on is the plane's radar signature - and even then, that last radar reading was so poor that the search area is thousands of square miles of open water. Surely, given the fact that we can track a damn smartphone anywhere on Earth down to a few meters, there's a better way of keeping track of missing aircraft?
In the words of Malaysia's civil aviation chief, the fate of MH370 is "a mystery." The Boeing 777 took off from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia en route to Beijing, was cruising normally at 35,000 feet… and then disappeared. There was no distress call. The weather was fine. The plane's last known position, via radar, was just south of Vietnam in the South China Sea - which is where search efforts have been focused so far - but one theory suggests that the plane turned back just after the last radar ping, meaning the plane could be hundreds of miles away in the Strait of Malacca. In the absence of any other information, there is speculation that the plane was target of a terrorist attack.
Flight MH370′s known route, and suspected route to the last confirmed radar reading [Image credit: BBC]
For me, the most shocking aspect of the MH370 disaster is that we won't know what fate befell those 239 souls until we find MH370′s Flight Data Recorder (FDR), aka the black box. Except for that last radar reading, we have absolutely no knowledge of the flight at all until we find that FDR. We have no clue what was said in the cockpit by the captain and first officer - though, seemingly, if something did go wrong, they didn't even have time to send a mayday message. We have no clue if the plane hit a patch of bad weather, or whether it was hijacked. It really will be one huge mystery until the FDR is recovered - and there's a good chance, if MH370 did crash into the ocean, that the FDR will never be recovered. In the case of Air France flight AF447, which disappeared off the coast of Brazil, it took two months to locate the wreckage, and almost two years to find the the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) and FDR.
The FDR has an underwater locator beacon (ULB) that will ping for at least 30 days, and can be detected up to around two miles away, but when you're talking about a search area consisting of thousands of square miles, and waters that are almost a mile deep on average, finding the black box will be no mean feat. (Read: Worried about black boxes snooping on you? One is in your car already.)
Do we live in the stone age or something?
So, think about this for a moment. We live in a day and age where GPS (and other radio triangulation methods) can track your smartphone to within a few meters, almost anywhere on Earth. With dedicated, land-based tracking networks, vehicles and devices can be tracked to within a few centimeters. Even in the absence of GPS or radio tracking, inertial guidance (dead reckoning) has been accurate enough since the '60s to accurately land a nuclear ICBM on the other side of the planet, or put the Apollo mission into space. (Read: Think GPS is cool? IPS will blow your mind.)
And then there's connectivity. On land, there are networks (both commercial and governmental) that provide data connectivity almost everywhere. Over water is definitely harder, but satellites do provide pretty good coverage - and yes, that particular region of Asia is very well covered by communications satellites. Finally, even if an aircraft is out of satellite/radio coverage, there is absolutely nothing preventing the airplane from transmitting a really juicy low-frequency radio signal that could be picked up thousands of miles away. This is how they communicate with air traffic control, after all.
Why, then, does a plane like the MH370 keep all of its secrets locked up in a black box? Why don't planes constantly transmit all of their black box data, so that we know their exact location, bearing, altitude, and other important factors, at all times?
The short answer is, there's no good reason.
Reference:
1. Missing plane MH370: Possible debris found off coast of Australia - Mirror Online
2. Possible MH370 black box found beneath Indian Ocean | Mail Online
3. BBC News - Malaysia flight MH370: Search ships to verify signals
4. The U.S. has spent almost $4M searching for MH370 … and others have spent way more | National Post
5. BBC News - Malaysia missing plane MH370 search has 'best lead so far'
Search Participation and cost
BANGKOK - It's not a question most governments involved in the hunt for the Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 care to answer: How much has the far-flung, month-long search cost?
The U.S. bill alone has run into the millions of dollars, and some countries such as China have devoted more ships and planes to the effort than the Americans have. Australia is spending more than half a million dollars a day on just one of the ships it has in the Indian Ocean.
But governments and military experts say it's difficult to come up with a full estimate for an ongoing search, especially since many of the costs are a normal part of maintaining effective search-and-rescue capabilities.
"If I listed how many planes and boats are involved, I could confect a very large number, but it wouldn't have much meaning, because we've got to pay for the boats and the planes and the pilots and the sailors anyway, and they're out there doing some stuff which is good training and reflects well on us internationally," said Mark Thomson, senior analyst of defence economics at the government-funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
More than two dozen countries have played some role in the search for MH370 and it is already proving to be very costly. The U.S. bill alone has run into the millions of dollars, and some countries such as China have devoted more ships and planes to the effort than the Americans have. Australia is spending more than half a million dollars a day on just one of the ships it has in the Indian Ocean.
But governments and military experts say it's difficult to come up with a full estimate for an ongoing search, especially since many of the costs are a normal part of maintaining effective search-and-rescue capabilities.
'If I listed how many planes and boats are involved, I could confect a very large number, but it wouldn't have much meaning, because we've got to pay for the boats and the planes and the pilots and the sailors anyway, and they're out there doing some stuff which is good training and reflects well on us internationally,' said Mark Thomson, senior analyst of defense economics at the government-funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute. In the days since the search has shifted to remote areas of the Indian Ocean, several countries have deployed planes and ships for the effort, including China, Australia, Malaysia, the U.S., Britain, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea. On Monday, nine military planes, three civil aircraft and 14 ships were combing a 234,000-square-kilometre (90,000-square-mile) search area, according to Australian officials coordinating the search. Malaysia has repeatedly declined to answer questions about the cost of the search. Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein has said the cost is immaterial, and the focus is to find the plane and provide closure for the families of the 239 people aboard. The U.S. Department of Defense allocated $4 million to help search for the missing Malaysian jetliner.
Between March 8 and March 24, it had spent $3.2 million, said spokesman Col. Steve Warren.
As of late last week it had spent another $148,000.
The Pentagon has allocated another $3.6 million to cover the cost of a towed pinger locator, used to detect underwater signals from aircraft black boxes, and an underwater autonomous vehicle, which can look for wreckage deep below the ocean surface.
Australia's defense department said its direct cost of using its ship the HMAS Success in the search is about $550,000 per day, and another vessel, the HMAS Toowoomba, costs about $380,000 per day. But it said there are not only direct costs such as fuel, servicing and crew salaries, but indirect costs such as general administration, building costs and depreciation of aircraft assets, so it is difficult to provide an exact total. Several Chinese ships and planes have been involved in the search, but China's foreign ministry did not respond to questions about the expense of the effort. Geoff Davies, a spokesman for New Zealand's defence force, said much of his country's costs will be covered by the existing budget for search and rescue operations, though there are likely to be some extra costs because of the extraordinary nature of the search. Japan's defence ministry said it could not provide a figure because the search is continuing. The cost of the search operation is believed to fall within the 880 million yen ($8.8 million) budgeted for emergency relief for the Japan International Cooperation Agency. Extra costs incurred by the operation include fuel a special allowance for the roughly 90 troops involved. Some Japanese civilians are also participating, and the government said their accommodation and transportation has cost about 28 million yen ($280,000). Accommodation for the Japanese troops is free, as they use facilities at the Australian military under their defense cooperation agreement.
Video reference
1. Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian (From the co-actors)
2. MH370 flight path skirted Indonesia - YouTube (CNN still talking about the path and avoidance of detection)
Sound signal picked up by co-actor Australia
Today 8th April, 2014
Earlier today the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, which is leading the search from Perth, said that 11 military planes, three civilian planes and 14 ships are involved in today's search.
In a statement JACC said: "[The Australia Maritime Safety Authority] has directed the search of one large area today of approximately 77,580 square kilometres, 2,268 kilometres north west of Perth.
2:09 pm
Retired Royal Air Force Lt. Col. Michael Kay predicted the search for the pingers would continue for another week and a half.
"We know that the batteries can last up to 40 days," he told CNN.
Kay added: "If I was Angus Houston, I would be putting the search out to at least 42, 43 (days) to make absolutely sure that the batteries had failed."
1:45 pm
The area 6,000m below sea level is known as the Hadal Zone.
It is the deepest zone of the ocean layering scheme.
The zone is named after the realm of Greek god Hades, the Lord of the Underworld and the unforgiving habitat is cold, high pressured and devoid of oxygen.
Titanic director James Cameron journeyed seven miles into the depths of the Marina Trench, which is in the Hadal Zone, in 2009.
Recap: - Malaysia confirms that MH370 is lost in the Southern Indian Ocean
Updated @ 09:50 March 25: We've published a second story, detailing the impressive techniques used by Inmarsat to confirm that flight MH370 crash landed into the Indian Ocean.
Updated @ 10:24 March 24: The Malaysian prime minister, speaking at a press conference minutes ago, says that British investigators have concluded that Malaysia Airlines MH370 did indeed take the southern flight corridor over the Indian Ocean. This conclusion appears to be based on the same Inmarsat data from last week. "According to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the Indian Ocean," prime minister Najib Razak said. Following this confirmation, Malaysia Airlines sent a text message to relatives, saying that "we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived."
As for what actually happened to flight MH370, we still don't know. The southern Indian Ocean is one of the most remote parts of the world, making it an incredibly hard location to search. It is entirely possible that we will never find the flight data recorder (black box), and thus never find out what actually happened on board.
Updated @ 12:50 March 21: Bad news - so far, despite five aircraft being dispatched by Australia and the US, no debris of flight MH370 has been found. This is likely because the debris, which was spotted in satellite imagery from March 16, has since drifted a significant distance (hundreds of miles). So far the planes have been using radar to look for the debris, covering large swaths of ocean from a high altitude, but now the search will be visual - which involves the planes flying very low, and covering much less ground (and thus more aircraft are needed). Other nations are sending aircraft and ships to aid with the search.
In other news, upon further investigation of MH370′s cargo manifest, it appears that the plane was carrying a shipment of lithium-ion batteries. In theory, LIBs are flammable - though there's really no reason to believe that these caused the disaster. Most authorities and investigators still believe that the plane was intentionally hijacked or sabotaged.
Updated @ 07:10 March 20: There has possibly been a breakthrough in the search for flight MH370. Australian authorities say they've found what appears to be the debris of the plane in some satellite imagery (pictured below). The debris is located about 1,500 miles (2,500km) from Perth in the Indian Ocean, off the south-west corner of Australia, along the same arc provided by the Inmarsat pings (see previous update below). Unfortunately, though, the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) sent an airplane to investigate the area - and could not locate any debris. "RAAF P3 crew unable to locate debris. Cloud & rain limited visbility. Further aircraft to continue search for #MH370 ," the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said in a tweet. Malaysian authorities haven't said much on the matter, only that this is the only credible lead that we have, so of course it will be investigated fully.
Updated @ 14:42 March 18: 11 days in, and we still have no idea what fate befell Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, or the 239 souls on board. We now know that the plane's Satcom link continued to ping an Inmarsat communications satellite (geosynchronously orbiting above the Indian ocean) for seven hours after last civilian air traffic control contact, until 8:11am local time. If the plane did continue flying for seven hours, it would probably have ended up in China's Taklamakan desert on the Kyrgyzstan border. This is a fairly appealing theory, as there would be plenty of space up there to land a plane without anyone noticing. The main problem with the "continued flight" theory though - even if the plane went south into the Indian Ocean instead - is that it would've had to cross the airspace of multiple countries without being spotted by military radar. If this really is the case - if the plane continued to fly on for seven hours - it's really starting to sound like the disappearance of flight MH370 was an incredibly sophisticated hijack, or the actions of a government-level conspiracy.
Updated @ 19:20 March 16: Somewhat unbelievably, more than a week after Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 disappeared, we still have absolutely no idea where the plane is. We are, however, starting to work out what happened. Basically, the Malaysian military have now admitted that they were tracking an unidentified contact across the country, and did nothing about it. It has now been confirmed that the unidentified contact was flight MH370. It seems, shortly after it completed its climb out of Kuala Lumpur airport, that the plane's ACARS tracking system was manually disabled by someone on the Boeing 777 - presumably one of the pilots. (Disabling the system would be impossible to do without both pilots knowing, however.) Malaysian military radar tracked the plane to the Strait of Malacca at 2:15am local time, and then the plane vanished. It has also emerged that the plane continued to send data to an Inmarsat satellite for five hours after last contact. 25 countries are now searching for the plane, across a huge swath of Asia (pictured below). At this point, hijacking is by far the most likely cause of this utterly insane scenario.
Updated @ 08:05 March 14: It's now been almost a week since flight MH370 disappeared without trace. From official Malaysian sources, there is still no news to report. According to an exclusive report by Reuters, however, some investigators are now fairly certain that the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 did in fact fly on for another four hours. Apparently, shortly after the last time it appeared on civilian radar (around 1:30am local time), MH370 turned west and started following navigational waypoints (Vampi, Gival, Igrex) usually used by flights towards the Middle East and Europe. According to two sources speaking to Reuters, the fact that the airplane simply vanished from air traffic control and civilian radar would suggest that someone on board the plane disabled its communication systems. If this new information is correct, MH370 actually disappeared somewhere in the Indian Ocean, near the Andaman Islands. Reuters says Malaysian authorities are now asking for radar data from Thailand, Indonesia, and India - all of which may have picked up flight MH370 after it vanished.
Updated @ 09:40 March 13: The farcical hunt for Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 continues. US investigators believe the plane may have continued for four further hours after its last sighting - a claim that Malaysian authorities have strongly denied. Malaysian authorities say they have spoken to both Boeing and Rolls-Royce, and they both confirmed that the plane's last ACARS transmission was at 1:07am, and at that time the plane was completely healthy. The radar blips at 2:15am (near the Strait of Malacca) and again at 2:30am, after being confirmed and then denied, are being investigated yet again. China released satellite images of the purported wreck of MH370 (below), but Malaysia's transport minister said they were released by mistake and "did not show any debris from MH370." Read on for previous updates and the original story.
Updated @ 14:10 March 12: As darkness falls over south-east Asia, the fifth day of the MH370 search-and-rescue mission draws to a close. There's still absolutely no indication of what happened to flight MH370, nor where it landed. The Malaysian authorities continue to flail embarrassingly. Crazy theories continue to be proposed. The search-and-rescue efforts now comprise of 42 ships and 39 aircraft from 12 different countries. DigitalGlobe is providing high-res satellite imagery of the search area, with analysis of the imagery then being crowdsourced by Tomnod - and apparently there's now a third possible location where the plane might've disappeared. So far, though, all of these efforts have turned up absolutely nothing.
Updated @ 08:25 March 12: This morning, as the search for flight MH370 heads into its fifth day, Malaysian authorities held a press conference in Kuala Lumpur to discuss the latest developments. Sadly, there wasn't really much to report. The Malaysian military are now denying that MH370 was tracked to the Strait of Malacca. The search area now covers 27,000 square nautical miles, 12,000+ in the Strait of Malacca and 14,000+ in the South China Sea (the plane's last known location). Rolls-Royce, which made the Boeing 777′s Trent 800 engines says it received two batches of engine diagnostic data from the plane after takeoff and during the cruise, as part of the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) – but there's nothing unusual about that. It does imply, however, that Malaysian Airlines - which received the full ACARS report - would know by now if the plane was suffering from any issues. As the airline hasn't said anything about the ACARS report, it's probably fairly safe to assume that all systems were functioning normally.
Updated @ 16:35 March 11: The fourth day of the MH370 search-and-rescue mission has come to a close, and we're still no closer to finding the missing plane. The search area has been expanded from 50 nautical miles (57 miles; 93km) to 100 nautical miles. It has also come to light that MH370′s co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, was extremely unprofessional during a flight in 2011. On a flight from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur, Hamid invited two South African teenagers into the cockpit, where they remained for the entirety of the flight, while he and the pilot smoked cigarettes while flying the plane. Whether this new finding has any bearing on the fate of MH370, we'll have to wait and see.
Updated @ 08:40 March 11: As the Malaysia Airlines MH370 search-and-rescue mission enters its fourth day, we still know almost nothing about the fate of the plane and the 239 people on board. Two passengers were travelling with stolen passports, but Interpol says they weren't terrorist threats. According to Malaysian military radar, it now seems likely that MH370 turned back after its last contact with air traffic control, possibly crashing into the Strait of Malacca. We still have no idea why it turned back, or where the plane ended up.
Updated @ 19:30 March 10: Very little new information has come to light since this story was first published this morning. Despite some oil slicks and debris being found in the South China Sea, authorities have confirmed that they didn't originate from the MH370. Numerous experts have attested to the Boeing 777′s excellent reliability and safety record, and puzzlement at how it could vanish from the skies. We still have no idea how or why the plane disappeared, nor where it crashed. There are very, very few reasons for a modern plane to suddenly disappear. Read on for the original story.
The original story: How did we lose Malaysia Airlines flight MH370?
A month ago, Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 vanished from radar off the south coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea. 239 people were on board - and at this point, it is presumed that they have all perished in some kind of disaster. A massive search and rescue effort involving 40 ships and 34 aircraft from nine different nations has yet to discover any sign of the missing aircraft. For me, this is almost incomprehensible: Despite all of the awesome technology that mankind has developed, it's still possible for a Boeing 777-200 with 239 people on board to vanish. For me, it's mind blowing that all we have to go on is the plane's radar signature - and even then, that last radar reading was so poor that the search area is thousands of square miles of open water. Surely, given the fact that we can track a damn smartphone anywhere on Earth down to a few meters, there's a better way of keeping track of missing aircraft?
In the words of Malaysia's civil aviation chief, the fate of MH370 is "a mystery." The Boeing 777 took off from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia en route to Beijing, was cruising normally at 35,000 feet… and then disappeared. There was no distress call. The weather was fine. The plane's last known position, via radar, was just south of Vietnam in the South China Sea - which is where search efforts have been focused so far - but one theory suggests that the plane turned back just after the last radar ping, meaning the plane could be hundreds of miles away in the Strait of Malacca. In the absence of any other information, there is speculation that the plane was target of a terrorist attack.
Flight MH370′s known route, and suspected route to the last confirmed radar reading [Image credit: BBC]
For me, the most shocking aspect of the MH370 disaster is that we won't know what fate befell those 239 souls until we find MH370′s Flight Data Recorder (FDR), aka the black box. Except for that last radar reading, we have absolutely no knowledge of the flight at all until we find that FDR. We have no clue what was said in the cockpit by the captain and first officer - though, seemingly, if something did go wrong, they didn't even have time to send a mayday message. We have no clue if the plane hit a patch of bad weather, or whether it was hijacked. It really will be one huge mystery until the FDR is recovered - and there's a good chance, if MH370 did crash into the ocean, that the FDR will never be recovered. In the case of Air France flight AF447, which disappeared off the coast of Brazil, it took two months to locate the wreckage, and almost two years to find the the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) and FDR.
The FDR has an underwater locator beacon (ULB) that will ping for at least 30 days, and can be detected up to around two miles away, but when you're talking about a search area consisting of thousands of square miles, and waters that are almost a mile deep on average, finding the black box will be no mean feat. (Read: Worried about black boxes snooping on you? One is in your car already.)
Do we live in the stone age or something?
So, think about this for a moment. We live in a day and age where GPS (and other radio triangulation methods) can track your smartphone to within a few meters, almost anywhere on Earth. With dedicated, land-based tracking networks, vehicles and devices can be tracked to within a few centimeters. Even in the absence of GPS or radio tracking, inertial guidance (dead reckoning) has been accurate enough since the '60s to accurately land a nuclear ICBM on the other side of the planet, or put the Apollo mission into space. (Read: Think GPS is cool? IPS will blow your mind.)
And then there's connectivity. On land, there are networks (both commercial and governmental) that provide data connectivity almost everywhere. Over water is definitely harder, but satellites do provide pretty good coverage - and yes, that particular region of Asia is very well covered by communications satellites. Finally, even if an aircraft is out of satellite/radio coverage, there is absolutely nothing preventing the airplane from transmitting a really juicy low-frequency radio signal that could be picked up thousands of miles away. This is how they communicate with air traffic control, after all.
Why, then, does a plane like the MH370 keep all of its secrets locked up in a black box? Why don't planes constantly transmit all of their black box data, so that we know their exact location, bearing, altitude, and other important factors, at all times?
The short answer is, there's no good reason.
Reference:
1. Missing plane MH370: Possible debris found off coast of Australia - Mirror Online
2. Possible MH370 black box found beneath Indian Ocean | Mail Online
3. BBC News - Malaysia flight MH370: Search ships to verify signals
4. The U.S. has spent almost $4M searching for MH370 … and others have spent way more | National Post
5. BBC News - Malaysia missing plane MH370 search has 'best lead so far'
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I dont think any sane person would believe the ---- on WMD!!
Gdaffi was a terrorrist recruiter eh!
Then those who recruited Saint Osama must be rejoicing in heaven!!
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To become a terrorist , one must be recruited by professional terrorists groups or organizations like alshababu, alqaeda, bokoharam e.tc. . .
Osama is never a saint. Only God must decree people who deserve to be called a saint.The Osama's Recruiters are now in hell(not heaven) & some are still remained alive to date to prolong his legacy.that's why terrorism will never end .Those who made hell in this world will face hell in the afterlife as well.
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My foot!!
YOU are naive!!!
Know who trained the worst terrorist of them all, Osama Bina Laden?
The Central Intelligence Agency , thanks to them.
Try filling up your knowledge, they also funded the establishment of the Taliban, now an outfit that they cannot eradicate!
I see you have skillfully skipped and comment on the WMD, Weapons of Mass Destruction.
WMD by definition are destructive agents that can eradicate a large chunk of mankind irrespective of age,gender, creed or race.
Nuclear arms best fit that description, they kill en mass!
Who owns them?
Contact the Big Boys!
They are the architecs and owners of WMD.
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WAPEPE abiria waliokuwamo MH 370
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Anyhow today is exactly 1 month since disappearance and lets see what has been on the media and from the secret freelance intelligence on the same.
Search Participation and cost
BANGKOK - It's not a question most governments involved in the hunt for the Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 care to answer: How much has the far-flung, month-long search cost?
The U.S. bill alone has run into the millions of dollars, and some countries such as China have devoted more ships and planes to the effort than the Americans have. Australia is spending more than half a million dollars a day on just one of the ships it has in the Indian Ocean.
But governments and military experts say it's difficult to come up with a full estimate for an ongoing search, especially since many of the costs are a normal part of maintaining effective search-and-rescue capabilities.
"If I listed how many planes and boats are involved, I could confect a very large number, but it wouldn't have much meaning, because we've got to pay for the boats and the planes and the pilots and the sailors anyway, and they're out there doing some stuff which is good training and reflects well on us internationally," said Mark Thomson, senior analyst of defence economics at the government-funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
More than two dozen countries have played some role in the search for MH370 and it is already proving to be very costly. The U.S. bill alone has run into the millions of dollars, and some countries such as China have devoted more ships and planes to the effort than the Americans have. Australia is spending more than half a million dollars a day on just one of the ships it has in the Indian Ocean.
But governments and military experts say it's difficult to come up with a full estimate for an ongoing search, especially since many of the costs are a normal part of maintaining effective search-and-rescue capabilities.
'If I listed how many planes and boats are involved, I could confect a very large number, but it wouldn't have much meaning, because we've got to pay for the boats and the planes and the pilots and the sailors anyway, and they're out there doing some stuff which is good training and reflects well on us internationally,' said Mark Thomson, senior analyst of defense economics at the government-funded Australian Strategic Policy Institute. In the days since the search has shifted to remote areas of the Indian Ocean, several countries have deployed planes and ships for the effort, including China, Australia, Malaysia, the U.S., Britain, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea. On Monday, nine military planes, three civil aircraft and 14 ships were combing a 234,000-square-kilometre (90,000-square-mile) search area, according to Australian officials coordinating the search. Malaysia has repeatedly declined to answer questions about the cost of the search. Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein has said the cost is immaterial, and the focus is to find the plane and provide closure for the families of the 239 people aboard. The U.S. Department of Defense allocated $4 million to help search for the missing Malaysian jetliner.
Between March 8 and March 24, it had spent $3.2 million, said spokesman Col. Steve Warren.
As of late last week it had spent another $148,000.
The Pentagon has allocated another $3.6 million to cover the cost of a towed pinger locator, used to detect underwater signals from aircraft black boxes, and an underwater autonomous vehicle, which can look for wreckage deep below the ocean surface.
Australia's defense department said its direct cost of using its ship the HMAS Success in the search is about $550,000 per day, and another vessel, the HMAS Toowoomba, costs about $380,000 per day. But it said there are not only direct costs such as fuel, servicing and crew salaries, but indirect costs such as general administration, building costs and depreciation of aircraft assets, so it is difficult to provide an exact total. Several Chinese ships and planes have been involved in the search, but China's foreign ministry did not respond to questions about the expense of the effort. Geoff Davies, a spokesman for New Zealand's defence force, said much of his country's costs will be covered by the existing budget for search and rescue operations, though there are likely to be some extra costs because of the extraordinary nature of the search. Japan's defence ministry said it could not provide a figure because the search is continuing. The cost of the search operation is believed to fall within the 880 million yen ($8.8 million) budgeted for emergency relief for the Japan International Cooperation Agency. Extra costs incurred by the operation include fuel a special allowance for the roughly 90 troops involved. Some Japanese civilians are also participating, and the government said their accommodation and transportation has cost about 28 million yen ($280,000). Accommodation for the Japanese troops is free, as they use facilities at the Australian military under their defense cooperation agreement.
Video reference
1. Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian (From the co-actors)
2. MH370 flight path skirted Indonesia - YouTube (CNN still talking about the path and avoidance of detection)
Sound signal picked up by co-actor Australia
Today 8th April, 2014
Earlier today the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, which is leading the search from Perth, said that 11 military planes, three civilian planes and 14 ships are involved in today's search.
In a statement JACC said: "[The Australia Maritime Safety Authority] has directed the search of one large area today of approximately 77,580 square kilometres, 2,268 kilometres north west of Perth.
2:09 pm
Retired Royal Air Force Lt. Col. Michael Kay predicted the search for the pingers would continue for another week and a half.
"We know that the batteries can last up to 40 days," he told CNN.
Kay added: "If I was Angus Houston, I would be putting the search out to at least 42, 43 (days) to make absolutely sure that the batteries had failed."
1:45 pm
The area 6,000m below sea level is known as the Hadal Zone.
It is the deepest zone of the ocean layering scheme.
The zone is named after the realm of Greek god Hades, the Lord of the Underworld and the unforgiving habitat is cold, high pressured and devoid of oxygen.
Titanic director James Cameron journeyed seven miles into the depths of the Marina Trench, which is in the Hadal Zone, in 2009.
Recap: - Malaysia confirms that MH370 is lost in the Southern Indian Ocean
Updated @ 09:50 March 25: We've published a second story, detailing the impressive techniques used by Inmarsat to confirm that flight MH370 crash landed into the Indian Ocean.
Updated @ 10:24 March 24: The Malaysian prime minister, speaking at a press conference minutes ago, says that British investigators have concluded that Malaysia Airlines MH370 did indeed take the southern flight corridor over the Indian Ocean. This conclusion appears to be based on the same Inmarsat data from last week. "According to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the Indian Ocean," prime minister Najib Razak said. Following this confirmation, Malaysia Airlines sent a text message to relatives, saying that "we have to assume beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived."
As for what actually happened to flight MH370, we still don't know. The southern Indian Ocean is one of the most remote parts of the world, making it an incredibly hard location to search. It is entirely possible that we will never find the flight data recorder (black box), and thus never find out what actually happened on board.
Updated @ 12:50 March 21: Bad news - so far, despite five aircraft being dispatched by Australia and the US, no debris of flight MH370 has been found. This is likely because the debris, which was spotted in satellite imagery from March 16, has since drifted a significant distance (hundreds of miles). So far the planes have been using radar to look for the debris, covering large swaths of ocean from a high altitude, but now the search will be visual - which involves the planes flying very low, and covering much less ground (and thus more aircraft are needed). Other nations are sending aircraft and ships to aid with the search.
In other news, upon further investigation of MH370′s cargo manifest, it appears that the plane was carrying a shipment of lithium-ion batteries. In theory, LIBs are flammable - though there's really no reason to believe that these caused the disaster. Most authorities and investigators still believe that the plane was intentionally hijacked or sabotaged.
Updated @ 07:10 March 20: There has possibly been a breakthrough in the search for flight MH370. Australian authorities say they've found what appears to be the debris of the plane in some satellite imagery (pictured below). The debris is located about 1,500 miles (2,500km) from Perth in the Indian Ocean, off the south-west corner of Australia, along the same arc provided by the Inmarsat pings (see previous update below). Unfortunately, though, the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) sent an airplane to investigate the area - and could not locate any debris. "RAAF P3 crew unable to locate debris. Cloud & rain limited visbility. Further aircraft to continue search for #MH370 ," the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said in a tweet. Malaysian authorities haven't said much on the matter, only that this is the only credible lead that we have, so of course it will be investigated fully.
Updated @ 14:42 March 18: 11 days in, and we still have no idea what fate befell Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, or the 239 souls on board. We now know that the plane's Satcom link continued to ping an Inmarsat communications satellite (geosynchronously orbiting above the Indian ocean) for seven hours after last civilian air traffic control contact, until 8:11am local time. If the plane did continue flying for seven hours, it would probably have ended up in China's Taklamakan desert on the Kyrgyzstan border. This is a fairly appealing theory, as there would be plenty of space up there to land a plane without anyone noticing. The main problem with the "continued flight" theory though - even if the plane went south into the Indian Ocean instead - is that it would've had to cross the airspace of multiple countries without being spotted by military radar. If this really is the case - if the plane continued to fly on for seven hours - it's really starting to sound like the disappearance of flight MH370 was an incredibly sophisticated hijack, or the actions of a government-level conspiracy.
Updated @ 19:20 March 16: Somewhat unbelievably, more than a week after Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 disappeared, we still have absolutely no idea where the plane is. We are, however, starting to work out what happened. Basically, the Malaysian military have now admitted that they were tracking an unidentified contact across the country, and did nothing about it. It has now been confirmed that the unidentified contact was flight MH370. It seems, shortly after it completed its climb out of Kuala Lumpur airport, that the plane's ACARS tracking system was manually disabled by someone on the Boeing 777 - presumably one of the pilots. (Disabling the system would be impossible to do without both pilots knowing, however.) Malaysian military radar tracked the plane to the Strait of Malacca at 2:15am local time, and then the plane vanished. It has also emerged that the plane continued to send data to an Inmarsat satellite for five hours after last contact. 25 countries are now searching for the plane, across a huge swath of Asia (pictured below). At this point, hijacking is by far the most likely cause of this utterly insane scenario.
Updated @ 08:05 March 14: It's now been almost a week since flight MH370 disappeared without trace. From official Malaysian sources, there is still no news to report. According to an exclusive report by Reuters, however, some investigators are now fairly certain that the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 did in fact fly on for another four hours. Apparently, shortly after the last time it appeared on civilian radar (around 1:30am local time), MH370 turned west and started following navigational waypoints (Vampi, Gival, Igrex) usually used by flights towards the Middle East and Europe. According to two sources speaking to Reuters, the fact that the airplane simply vanished from air traffic control and civilian radar would suggest that someone on board the plane disabled its communication systems. If this new information is correct, MH370 actually disappeared somewhere in the Indian Ocean, near the Andaman Islands. Reuters says Malaysian authorities are now asking for radar data from Thailand, Indonesia, and India - all of which may have picked up flight MH370 after it vanished.
Updated @ 09:40 March 13: The farcical hunt for Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 continues. US investigators believe the plane may have continued for four further hours after its last sighting - a claim that Malaysian authorities have strongly denied. Malaysian authorities say they have spoken to both Boeing and Rolls-Royce, and they both confirmed that the plane's last ACARS transmission was at 1:07am, and at that time the plane was completely healthy. The radar blips at 2:15am (near the Strait of Malacca) and again at 2:30am, after being confirmed and then denied, are being investigated yet again. China released satellite images of the purported wreck of MH370 (below), but Malaysia's transport minister said they were released by mistake and "did not show any debris from MH370." Read on for previous updates and the original story.
Updated @ 14:10 March 12: As darkness falls over south-east Asia, the fifth day of the MH370 search-and-rescue mission draws to a close. There's still absolutely no indication of what happened to flight MH370, nor where it landed. The Malaysian authorities continue to flail embarrassingly. Crazy theories continue to be proposed. The search-and-rescue efforts now comprise of 42 ships and 39 aircraft from 12 different countries. DigitalGlobe is providing high-res satellite imagery of the search area, with analysis of the imagery then being crowdsourced by Tomnod - and apparently there's now a third possible location where the plane might've disappeared. So far, though, all of these efforts have turned up absolutely nothing.
Updated @ 08:25 March 12: This morning, as the search for flight MH370 heads into its fifth day, Malaysian authorities held a press conference in Kuala Lumpur to discuss the latest developments. Sadly, there wasn't really much to report. The Malaysian military are now denying that MH370 was tracked to the Strait of Malacca. The search area now covers 27,000 square nautical miles, 12,000+ in the Strait of Malacca and 14,000+ in the South China Sea (the plane's last known location). Rolls-Royce, which made the Boeing 777′s Trent 800 engines says it received two batches of engine diagnostic data from the plane after takeoff and during the cruise, as part of the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) – but there's nothing unusual about that. It does imply, however, that Malaysian Airlines - which received the full ACARS report - would know by now if the plane was suffering from any issues. As the airline hasn't said anything about the ACARS report, it's probably fairly safe to assume that all systems were functioning normally.
Updated @ 16:35 March 11: The fourth day of the MH370 search-and-rescue mission has come to a close, and we're still no closer to finding the missing plane. The search area has been expanded from 50 nautical miles (57 miles; 93km) to 100 nautical miles. It has also come to light that MH370′s co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, was extremely unprofessional during a flight in 2011. On a flight from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur, Hamid invited two South African teenagers into the cockpit, where they remained for the entirety of the flight, while he and the pilot smoked cigarettes while flying the plane. Whether this new finding has any bearing on the fate of MH370, we'll have to wait and see.
Updated @ 08:40 March 11: As the Malaysia Airlines MH370 search-and-rescue mission enters its fourth day, we still know almost nothing about the fate of the plane and the 239 people on board. Two passengers were travelling with stolen passports, but Interpol says they weren't terrorist threats. According to Malaysian military radar, it now seems likely that MH370 turned back after its last contact with air traffic control, possibly crashing into the Strait of Malacca. We still have no idea why it turned back, or where the plane ended up.
Updated @ 19:30 March 10: Very little new information has come to light since this story was first published this morning. Despite some oil slicks and debris being found in the South China Sea, authorities have confirmed that they didn't originate from the MH370. Numerous experts have attested to the Boeing 777′s excellent reliability and safety record, and puzzlement at how it could vanish from the skies. We still have no idea how or why the plane disappeared, nor where it crashed. There are very, very few reasons for a modern plane to suddenly disappear. Read on for the original story.
The original story: How did we lose Malaysia Airlines flight MH370?
A month ago, Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 vanished from radar off the south coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea. 239 people were on board - and at this point, it is presumed that they have all perished in some kind of disaster. A massive search and rescue effort involving 40 ships and 34 aircraft from nine different nations has yet to discover any sign of the missing aircraft. For me, this is almost incomprehensible: Despite all of the awesome technology that mankind has developed, it's still possible for a Boeing 777-200 with 239 people on board to vanish. For me, it's mind blowing that all we have to go on is the plane's radar signature - and even then, that last radar reading was so poor that the search area is thousands of square miles of open water. Surely, given the fact that we can track a damn smartphone anywhere on Earth down to a few meters, there's a better way of keeping track of missing aircraft?
In the words of Malaysia's civil aviation chief, the fate of MH370 is "a mystery." The Boeing 777 took off from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia en route to Beijing, was cruising normally at 35,000 feet… and then disappeared. There was no distress call. The weather was fine. The plane's last known position, via radar, was just south of Vietnam in the South China Sea - which is where search efforts have been focused so far - but one theory suggests that the plane turned back just after the last radar ping, meaning the plane could be hundreds of miles away in the Strait of Malacca. In the absence of any other information, there is speculation that the plane was target of a terrorist attack.
Flight MH370′s known route, and suspected route to the last confirmed radar reading [Image credit: BBC]
For me, the most shocking aspect of the MH370 disaster is that we won't know what fate befell those 239 souls until we find MH370′s Flight Data Recorder (FDR), aka the black box. Except for that last radar reading, we have absolutely no knowledge of the flight at all until we find that FDR. We have no clue what was said in the cockpit by the captain and first officer - though, seemingly, if something did go wrong, they didn't even have time to send a mayday message. We have no clue if the plane hit a patch of bad weather, or whether it was hijacked. It really will be one huge mystery until the FDR is recovered - and there's a good chance, if MH370 did crash into the ocean, that the FDR will never be recovered. In the case of Air France flight AF447, which disappeared off the coast of Brazil, it took two months to locate the wreckage, and almost two years to find the the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) and FDR.
The FDR has an underwater locator beacon (ULB) that will ping for at least 30 days, and can be detected up to around two miles away, but when you're talking about a search area consisting of thousands of square miles, and waters that are almost a mile deep on average, finding the black box will be no mean feat. (Read: Worried about black boxes snooping on you? One is in your car already.)
Do we live in the stone age or something?
So, think about this for a moment. We live in a day and age where GPS (and other radio triangulation methods) can track your smartphone to within a few meters, almost anywhere on Earth. With dedicated, land-based tracking networks, vehicles and devices can be tracked to within a few centimeters. Even in the absence of GPS or radio tracking, inertial guidance (dead reckoning) has been accurate enough since the '60s to accurately land a nuclear ICBM on the other side of the planet, or put the Apollo mission into space. (Read: Think GPS is cool? IPS will blow your mind.)
And then there's connectivity. On land, there are networks (both commercial and governmental) that provide data connectivity almost everywhere. Over water is definitely harder, but satellites do provide pretty good coverage - and yes, that particular region of Asia is very well covered by communications satellites. Finally, even if an aircraft is out of satellite/radio coverage, there is absolutely nothing preventing the airplane from transmitting a really juicy low-frequency radio signal that could be picked up thousands of miles away. This is how they communicate with air traffic control, after all.
Why, then, does a plane like the MH370 keep all of its secrets locked up in a black box? Why don't planes constantly transmit all of their black box data, so that we know their exact location, bearing, altitude, and other important factors, at all times?
The short answer is, there's no good reason.
Reference:
1. Missing plane MH370: Possible debris found off coast of Australia - Mirror Online
2. Possible MH370 black box found beneath Indian Ocean | Mail Online
3. BBC News - Malaysia flight MH370: Search ships to verify signals
4. The U.S. has spent almost $4M searching for MH370 … and others have spent way more | National Post
5. BBC News - Malaysia missing plane MH370 search has 'best lead so far'
"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought by sticks and stones"; Albert Einstein
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ha ha ha, You make me laugh again. all countries in the world have their own spying agencies. E.g. CIA works for US, KGB was for Russians etc.
read here link:
https://www.jamiiforums.com/jamii-i...owerfull-intelligence-agencies-duniani-6.html
Just because you have CIA, does not mean the rest of Intelligence agencies are friendly to people. Don't be such a naïve person.
WMD (weapon of mass destruction) owned by the following countries US, Russia, Pakistan, Germans, Not North Korea, China, Israel, India, United Kingdom and France. This weapons were made purposely to guarantee conquest during war time.
International agencies together with US are trying to reduce escalation of these weapons. But as long as the US keeps restrict them, some little countries demand to own WMD e.g. Iran and North Korea.
In the eyes of civilized international community, these little countries expect more reputation out of nothing they have done so far, there are many great great countries in the world who don't think even for a second to own this WMD. like Japan, Brazil, South Korean, Canada, Australia, including Tanzania. Meanwhile North Korea has been condemned for conducting many test.
Kim is lunatic that why he wanted every citizen to shave his hair like him, Iran have many terrorist groups who love death than life.
Let's talk about Osama
Thank you for understanding that Osama was the worst one.
Ask yourself. If someone trained you to become a stupid then who's the stupid. Him or You?
Osama was recruited by those who hold the ideology of Holy death (Islamic extremists). This ideology was inculcated in his mind since he was a tender boy. His desire was then fulfilled when, he willingly decided to join US intelligence to support them in the US proxy war against the Soviet in the land of Afghanistan. It is in fact they benefited from their dependency on US. Having stayed there, he perfected himself with army skills, after leaving the hood, he later used the skills to recruit many Islamic believers. Unfortunately, he later found himself in the confrontation with his old friend (The US) due to conflict of interest. He completed his journey by joining the former friend of US (Taliban terrorist group). Before he ended executed in horror in the pakistan's land.
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Try again buddy!
You have not answered to my questions of the worst terrorist trainers and holders of the worst WMD's
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Observe red Color:
1. it confused me..which Embassy?malasyia or chinese embassy? How did they get their way from Afghanistan? By plane, ship or what?
observe Blue color:
where this chinese scientists meet with Taliban?
@Mshiiri, it is not common to see females discuss topic like this.Your such amazing!!.
by the way as the time goes by..the story sounds convincing to me.
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Your question demands answers from researches papers and reports.
But i think in a simple way.. ''Saudi Arabia'' is the leading terrorists trainer of all. Even the late Osama bin laden was a dissident resided at Saudi Arabia before he became evicted and turned into savage warrior of holy War in Afghanistan dusts.
NB: Spies are not terrorists but Terrorists can be spies. Terrorists are more often freelancers but spies maintain bond with states.
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Now you are talking politics, not facts.
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countries sponsor and train terrorists
Based on research:
1. Afghanistan
2. Iran
3. Iraq
4. Pakistan
5. Syria
6. Northern Sudan:
http://www.terrorism-research.com/state/countries.php
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Mkuu you are a brainwashed mind!!
So how would you term the WMD,the atomic bombs that rained on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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it seems now you're becoming more pedantic. The aabove information is from researchers and not narrow minded people.
i've plenty of information regarding WMD. Let me give you a nutshell of it.
Japan was the first to attach US, at the time when US'president don't want war. Japan attached a pearl of harbor and destroyed many planes and some few ships and killed many people while US was not get any warning from Japan. At this moment US did not own the Bomb. after sometimes researchers discover the Mushroom bomb.
During war US warned Japanese to stop the war otherwise they will be face major destruction (though they didn't tell japan they own the bomb) but the Japanese ignored. they US planned to destroy 3 cities(Kokura, Nagasaki and Hiroshima),they bombed Nagasaki, but Japan did not stop the War. then US warned again, Japan still ignored then US bombed Hiroshima after failing to see the city of Kokura(One of the Japan military industry city) due to heavy clouds. Japan leader did not want to surrender but later on they decided to surrender and this marked the end of the WWW II.That is how Kokura was not bombed. During that time the world was UN. Any country can decide to do whatever they want, to defend himself just like US did.