Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar


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sweke34 said:
Huwaga nikiwasikiliza hao viongozi wenu huwa nakumbuka hiki kitu
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Nguruvi,

Nami nina paper kuhusu ugaidi niliiwasilisha Chuo Kikuu Cha Ibadan mwaka
2006.

Iliwakera Waamerika.
Sikuchukua duru nikakamatwa Uwanja wa Ndege Dar es Salaam.

Heavy interrogation.
Lakini niliwaeleza ukweli kama nilivyoandika kwenye paper.

Wakaniachia.
 
Inaelekea ngano zako zilipokelewa vizuri...sasa tunaona matunda, Boko Haram...
 
Bw. Said, katika mazungumzo yako na wazee wako toka ujana hadi leo hii na wakati unafanya utafiti wako kuna mzee au mtu yeyote ambaye alikuambia aliwahi kumsikia Nyerere akisema neno baya juu ya Uislamu au Waislamu?
 

Bi Zubeda,

Kama uko Dar unaweza kukipata kitabu nakala ya Kiswahili
Ibn Hazim Media Msikiti wa Mtoro.

Utakutana na baadhi ya wazee wetu wa Moshi katika kitabu.
 
sweke34 said:
Inaelekea ngano zako zilipokelewa vizuri...sasa tunaona matunda, Boko Haram...
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S,

Ikiwa unanikejeli nitashindwa kukueleza nini ilikuwa "reaction"
kwanza ya Waamerika ndani ya ukumbi nilipoanza kuwasema.

Mimi napenda mjadala lakini sasa ndugu yangu unanivunja nguvu.
 
Mohamed Said said:
S,

Ikiwa unanikejeli nitashindwa kukueleza nini ilikuwa "reaction"
kwanza ya Waamerika ndani ya ukumbi nilipoanza kuwasema.

Mimi napenda mjadala lakini sasa ndugu yangu unanivunja nguvu.
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Ok...naiondoa hiyo post...tusonge mbele...
 
Mohamed Said said:
S,

Ikiwa unanikejeli nitashindwa kukueleza nini ilikuwa "reaction"
kwanza ya Waamerika ndani ya ukumbi nilipoanza kuwasema.

Mimi napenda mjadala lakini sasa ndugu yangu unanivunja nguvu.
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Bw. Said, katika mazungumzo yako na wazee wako toka ujana hadi leo hii na wakati unafanya utafiti wako kuna mzee au mtu yeyote ambaye alikuambia aliwahi kumsikia Nyerere akisema neno baya juu ya Uislamu au Waislamu?
 
sweke34 said:
Ok...naiondoa hiyo post...tusonge mbele...
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Sweke,

Ahsante sana ndugu yangu.

Nakuwekea hapa chini ''excerpts'' kutoka ''paper'' niliyowasilisha Chuo Kikuu cha Ibadan
kuhusu ugaidi ''Terrorism in East Africa the Tanzanian experience.'':


‘Terrorism’ and Islamophobia​
Fanning Fear and Hatred


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Realising the determination of the terrorists in punishing the United States government and being encircled inside its own territory and overseas, the American government had no alternative but to turn the problem of terrorism, which strictly speaking was an American predicament, into an international agenda.

It was in this way that Tanzania and its Muslim population was dragged into the war against terrorism.

Through aid diplomacy Tanzania was made an ‘ally’ of the United States in its strategic plan on war against international terrorism.

But the truth still remains that Tanzania was in reality an innocent bystander being dragged into a conflict, which was between the United States and enemies, which it had created through its foreign policy, adversaries which only the United States government can identify.

Since terrorism was conveniently linked to Islam, the United States had to search for its enemies in whatever country where Muslims could be found.

That is why although the bombing in Kenya took place in Nairobi intensive investigations by the FBI were mainly concentrated in Mombasa where Muslims are a majority, and in Tanzania it had to be Dar es Salaam and Zanzibar for the same reason.

For reasons which ‘Insha Allah’ we shall discuss later the government in Tanzania was more than willing to cooperate with the United States in its war against terrorism although hitherto the country due to its principled stand on international arena enjoyed good international relations with many countries and could not easily be a target for any reprisal attack as experienced in Kenya.

There is nothing in Islam, which condones discriminate killings.[1]

Killing of innocent people is a serious crime whether by terrorists or United States’ military machine. Muslims do not have to be apologetic simply because a suicide bomber carries a Muslim name or purports to carry out the attack in the name of Islam.

In the same breath Muslims in the United States did not call for apology from Christians when Timothy McVeigh carried out the Oklahoma bombing in the United States. The world has not called for apology from Christianity or to be specific from Protestants for the holocaust.

Islamophobia has always existed in East Africa and nowhere in the region has it gained ground and lodged itself in the political system as in Tanzania.

The rise of Islamophobia in Tanzania therefore did not need the bombing of the United States Embassy or 9/11 to bring it to the surface.

The bombing merely gave it momentum and means to legitimise and justify government action against Muslims who were agitating against Christian hegemony in the country.

The political system in Tanzania is very much skewed against Muslims although they form a majority; and it was the drive of Muslim militancy during the struggle for independence, which drove the British out of Tanganyika.[2]

After independence Muslims found themselves holding a short a leash.

The Prevention of Terrorism Act of 2002
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After 9/11 the United States passed the Patriot Act of 2001.

Soon after it had sailed through the Congress in record time the United States pressurised other governments to pass similar anti-terror legislation and join in its campaign against terrorism.

Through diplomatic manoeuvres and veiled threats many African governments passed what came to be known as Anti -Terror Legislation.

Tanzania passed the Prevention of Terrorism Act of 2002, which in all intent and purpose replicated the United States Patriot Act of 2001.

Due to under representation of Muslims in parliament the Act sailed through without any difficulties notwithstanding Muslim opposition outside the parliament.

What concerned Muslims more was the fact that the law was not only draconian but also targeted Muslims. Muslims realised that with the Act in force any conflict between them and the government could be tried under that legislation and this would have very dire consequences.

The Prevention of Terrorism Act was a piece of legislation, which was imposed on Tanzania with the intention to open up the country for covert operations against enemies of the United States.

Although the act does not say so in so many words but it is clear the legislation is meant to protect United States and provide it with political and legal powers to expand its military hegemony in countries, which it did not enjoy, such freedom before.

On 17[SUP]th[/SUP] May 2003 with the anti terror legislation in place the police in collaboration with the FBI (who were already in the country waiting for the president to assent the bill) arrested Muslims suspected to be ‘terrorists.’

But those arrested had nothing to do with terrorism; they were Muslims leaders who the government arrested for being ‘opponents’ of the government and ruling party the Chama Cha Mapinduzi (CCM).

Among those arrested were leaders of various Muslim charitable organisations - foreign oriented and local, who have distinguished themselves in providing social services to Muslims like building mosques, schools, orphanages etc.

These were targeted for being ‘terrorist sympathisers’ or for being directly involved in ‘terrorist activities’ or for ‘providing logistic support to terrorists;’ and bank account of one prominent Muslim school – Al Furqan was frozen for suspicion of being a conduit of funds from abroad to support terrorism.

In response to these arrests Muslims staged a mass demonstration against the government and the United States opposing the mass arrests of the Muslim leadership, harassment by the local police, the FBI and against the Anti – Terrorist Legislation.

The demonstration was the first of its kind, as never before had Muslims shown such solidarity against a foreign power.

Ignoring the feeling of Muslims the then United States Ambassador to Tanzania Robert Royall addressed the Tanzanian Parliament expressing his government’s satisfaction in Tanzania’s support in its war against terrorists and pledged USD 100m in aid to East African governments to help combat terrorism.

Investigations revealed that none of the arrested Muslims had any kind of military training whatsoever or had in anyway engaged in terrorist activities and they were quietly released without being charged.

Investigations also failed to prove that the account of Al Furqan had at any one time used to transfer funds from abroad for illegal use.

All this notwithstanding there was no apology from the government, the FBI or the police.

Probably unknown to the United States, the government in Tanzania had other reasons for passing the legislation completely unconnected with terrorism.

The government was under pressure from Muslims to review the status quo.

The government was and still is functioning as a Christian establishment completely marginalising Muslims.[3]

The Church particularly the Catholic Church is in control of the government by proxy.

It controls 75% of the seats in the parliament.

Among these seats Catholics hold 70% and the rest are divided among Muslims and Christian of other denominations.

Muslims controls mere 6% of the total seats in parliament. Since independence in 1961 the Church was able to manipulate the political system in such a way that, its influence permeates the state machinery, mass media, higher institutions of learning, employment, promotion to political office etc. etc.

It also has influence in the Executive, the Judiciary and most important it controls the Parliament the highest law making body in the country.[4]

The government was engaged in its own silent war against Muslims who were opposing Christian hegemony over the country and several times the government had to use force, harassment and arrest of the Muslim leadership in trying to contain the agitation.[5]

Corresponding to this awakening, Islam has gradually been gaining ground over Christianity in Tanzania.

There is a noticeable number of Christians reverting back to Islam.[6]

The Church is facing opposition on two fronts. It is facing Muslims on the political front agitating against the status quo and on the second front there is Islam as a doctrinaire attacking the very foundations of Christianity.

The Catholic Church is the most affected and naturally it is showing concern.

The government saw in the Act an opportunity it could manipulate in its war against Muslims and roll back the tide of Islam in Tanzania.

The United States government in supporting the Tanzanian government in its war against terrorism was in actual sense supporting the Christian lobby in the government in its anti Islam stand.

In so doing was creating out of Muslims an unwilling adversary who had never threatened American interests.

This state of affairs forced Muslims in Tanzania to open up yet another line of defence against the United States fanning an already volatile state of affairs. Muslims had now two powerful adversaries to watch out.

Muslims had to confront local adversaries as well as the United States.

The Christian lobby in the government had found an unexpected ally.

Muslims had to organise a line of defence against the United States’ interference into what was previously purely an internal power struggle between Muslims and Christians vying for dominance in the local political arena.

The entry of the United States in the conflict on the side of the government gave the conflict religious undertones, which were translated by Muslims as an impending American crusade hidden behind the façade of war against terrorism.

What was worse is the fact that in the last ten years there had been a large influx of Pentecost churches into the country from the United States and these churches were not openly hostile towards Islam but were also very aggressive towards other Christian sects.

However with the passing of the anti-terrorist legislation it seemed all Christian churches in Tanzania where united in combating Islam under the banner of terrorism.

  • [1] See ‘The Hijacked Caravan’ ihsanic-intelligence.com which is the first and only Islamic legal ruling which unequivocally condemns suicide bombing in all circumstances.
  • Suicide terrorism has no precedent in fourteen centuries of Sunni Islamic tradition
  • Islamist terrorist groups like al-Qa’eda have adopted the use of suicide bombings from the Hindu-Marxist terrorist groups like the Tamil Tigers and kamikaze pilots from Japan
  • Islamist terrorists killing Muslims are considered to be in the tradition of the khawarij, an ancient Islamic heretical sect which also assassinated Prophet Muhammad’s cousin, Imam Ali
  • Suicide bombings invoked under the rubric of Islamist terrorism, outside Israel and the Palestinian Territories, grew three-fold within the space of three years after 9/11, killing twice as many people as had been killed over two decades.
  • Within the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, a case often given global exception by some scholars for using this tactic, suicide bombings doubled as did the number of people killed in the three years after 9/11 compared to the previous seven years of suicide terrorism. Worldwide, in merely three years after 9/11, the number of suicide bombings had increased three-fold than it had over two decades, whilst the number of people killed had doubled.
  • Worldwide, for every person who undertook a suicide bombing prior to 9/11, 18 people were likely to be killed. After 9/11, this figure fell to killing of 14 people on average, which was only as a result of the disproportionate rise in the “export” of this practice to groups worldwide.
  • Suicide bombing in the name of Islam has occurred in more than 20 countries: Lebanon [1981], Kuwait [1983], Argentina [1992], Panama, Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories [1994], Pakistan, Croatia [1995], Saudi Arabia [1996], Tanzania, Kenya [1998], Yemen, Chechnya [2000], USA, Kashmir, Afghanistan [2001], Tunisia, Indonesia, Algeria [2002], Morocco, Russia, India, Iraq, Turkey [2003], Uzbekistan and Spain [2004] - and possibly United Kingdom [2005].
[2] Among African countries with sizable population of Muslims and Christians, like Tanzania and Nigeria, the inquiry as to which faith commands a leading majority, is a source of potential conflict and controversy. Tanzania is of no exception. Different sources provide different Muslim-Christian religious distribution figures. These conflicting figures are as a result of sensitivity of the subject. The 1967 Population Census, the first census since independence, probed Tanzanians’ religious adherence (Muslim, Christian, Other (e.g. Hindu, Buddhist etc.) or traditional, e.g. Pagan. Results showed that Muslim constituted 63% of the population. It is believed that in early 1970s the Statistical Department was ordered to destroy all the 1967 census result simply because they showed Muslims in Tanzania to be in majority. The government position is that Muslims do not form a majority. Tanzania National Demographic Survey figures for 1973 put Muslims slightly above Christians at 40%, Christians 38.9% and local belief 21.1%. According to Africa South of the Sahara, Muslims in Tanzania are a leading majority at 60%. This figure has remained constant in all its publications since 1982.
[3] The thrust and vision of the Church in East Africa was to turn Kenya, Uganda and Tanganyika into Catholic states through control of indigenous governments.[3] The Church therefore established ‘The Islam in Africa Project’ with its headquarters in Kenya of which its specific aim was to convert Muslims to Christianity. This project was under Rev. James Ritchie advisor to the National Christian Council of Kenya. The White Fathers are in Tanzania and are still involved in the work, which brought them to the country more than a hundred years ago. The position of missionaries in Tanzania has not changed as detailed above.
[4] For a detailed account see Mohamed Said, The Life and Times of Abdulwahid Sykes (1924 – 1968) The Untold Story of the Muslim Struggle against British Colonialism in Tanzania, Minerva, London, 1998.
[5] This has to be seen with this background - Muslims have clashed with riot police in Zanzibar (1988), Morogoro (1992), Mwanza (1983) and several times in Dar es Salaam. In these clashes Muslims have been killed and maimed. However not a single policemen has been prosecuted in a court of law. The most saddening miscarriage of justice was in 1998 when riot police smoke bombed the Mwembechai Mosque in Dar es Salaam in which four Muslims were killed. Following the Mwembechai crisis many sheikhs were arrested and put under custody without trail. In 2001 riot police attacked a mosque in Zanzibar during ‘salat fajr’ and the imam was killed. No investigation was carried out and therefore no one was prosecuted for the killing.In parliament debate on the Mwembechai crisis the parliament congratulated state organs in the way they had effectively and decisively handled ‘Muslim fundamentalist. The government statement went further it stated that in future such operations to deal with ‘Muslim fundamentalists’ would be carried out by Tanzania Peoples Defence Force.[5] Few months later all the officers who took part in the Mwembechai operation were promoted and transferred to other areas for fear of Muslim reprisals.
[6] Christian converts have formed an association – Tanzania Revertees Association.
 
zumbemkuu said:
mkuu umri hauna uhusiano wowote na kushirikisha kichwa katika kufikiri...
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Nimekukumbuka UCLAS ulikuwa kilaza ndio maana nashangaa kukuona kwenye mnakasha huu ambao wanaoujadili wamefanya research ya kutosha, samahani lakini swahiba
 
Mohamed Said said:

The Church particularly the Catholic Church is in control of the government by proxy.
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Can you give some specific examples of how the Catholic Church is controlling the government by proxy? Who in the Catholic Church that is in charge of this controlling? The Cardinal, the Chairman of TEC, individuals bishops and priests?

It controls 75% of the seats in the parliament.
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How does the Church controls 75% of the seats in the parliament?


Muslims controls mere 6% of the total seats in parliament.
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By "Muslims" what do you mean? Do you mean those members of BAKWATA and thus BAKWATA controls these seats?

Since independence in 1961 the Church was able to manipulate the political system in such a way that, its influence permeates the state machinery, mass media, higher institutions of learning, employment, promotion to political office etc. etc.
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Granted... how? How did the Church manipulate the political system? A system that one time under Nyerere nationalised Church's schools and hospitals? A system that one time declared a catholic priest a persona non grata is controlling the government?

It also has influence in the Executive, the Judiciary and most important it controls the Parliament the highest law making body in the country.[4]
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So Othman Chande (Chief Justice) - A Muslim - is a servant of the Catholic Church?
Is Fakih A. R Jundu (Principle Judge) - A Muslim - is a servant of the Catholic Church
President Kikwete - A Muslim
Vice President Ghaib Bilal - A Muslim
Rashid Othman (Head of TISS) - A Muslim
Said Mwema (Inspector General) - A Muslim

Are all these people being controlled by the Catholic Church? Do they know it or not? If not would you inform them to their face that they are serving the Catholic Church which controls them by proxy?

How does the Catholic Church control all these Muslims so effectively that none of them is aware of the controlling? Unless...

You don't consider these people good Muslims.. and more especially if they belong to BAKWATA...
 
UPIU said:
Nimekukumbuka UCLAS ulikuwa kilaza ndio maana nashangaa kukuona kwenye mnakasha huu ambao wanaoujadili wamefanya research ya kutosha, samahani lakini swahiba
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Mohamed Said embu ona vijana wako, loh!
 
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Hebu jisomee hii post:

By Andrew Nyerere


Amefika sasa hivi ndugu yangu Steven Wanzagi,nimemuuliza,'Huyu Yeriko Nyerere ni nani?'' Akasema,''Sijui,hawa vijana wapo wengi,labda yupi mmoja anaitwa Yeriko.'
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Qur'an 3:103
Sahih International
And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided.

Swahili
Na shikamaneni kwa Kamba ya Mwenyezi Mungu nyote pamoja, wala msifarikiane. Na kumbukeni neema ya Mwenyezi Mungu iliyo juu yenu: vile mlivyo kuwa nyinyi kwa nyinyi maadui naye akaziunganisha nyoyo zenu; kwa neema yake mkawa ndugu. Na mlikuwa ukingoni mwa shimo la Moto, naye akakuokoeni nalo. Namna hivi Mwenyezi Mungu anakubainishieni Ishara zake ili mpate kuongoka.
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Sadakallahu Laadhim
 


MM,

Nitajibu kwa Kiswahili.
Hayo maswali sasa si kuyaleta kwangu.

Hayo maswali hivi niandikapo yako serikalini.
Tunasubiri majibu.

Huu sasa mwaka wa pili.

Tulizunguka nchi nzima tukifanya mikutano ya
hadhara tukiwaeleza Waislam kuhusu mfumokristo.
 
Ama kweli wafia dini wa Gerezani kariakoo wanamatatizo ya akili kumkichwa. Yaani hamjui kuwa nusu ya bajeti ya nchi hii
kila mwaka tunasaidiwa na nchi za mfumo kristo? Alafu mnategemea mfumo kristo utaondoka ndani ya Bongo?

Rest assured mfumo kristo utakutawaleni nyinyi na vizazi vyenu vyote...kama hamtaki hameni Bongo nendeni Somalia mka
jiunge na AL SHABAB
 
Mohamed Said, zitendee haki hoja za Mwanakijiji.
Nimeikumbuka ile paper yako uliowasilisha ujerumani.
Hapa hata Zomba anaweza kutusaidia. Hivi CCM bado ni adui wa Waislam?

Hapa ningependa kujua ni serious petitions ngapi na zinahusu nini zimeshapelekwa ama kwa Kikwete(Huyu mliyempigania aingie ikulu) au waziri mkuu au bungeni tangia kikwete aingie madarakani 2005?
 
zomba said:
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Mods wasipokuwa makini watawapiga ban watu wengi sana kuhusu huyu Yericko.

Yeye mwenyewe anasema Nyerere ni baba yake anaenda mbali zaidi na kusema akienda likizo Butiama ataleta ushahidi wa picha za Mariale.

Watu wakimuuliza wewe ni mtoto wa ngapi wa Julius Kambarage hataki kusema mama yako ni Mama Maria hataki kusema.

Mtoto mkubwa wa Julius Kambarage, Andew Nyerere kasema wazi hamjui Yericko basi na yeye apigwe ban.
 
Mohamed Said said:
MM,

Nitajibu kwa Kiswahili.
Hayo maswali sasa si kuyaleta kwangu.

Hayo maswali hivi niandikapo yako serikalini.
Tunasubiri majibu.

Huu sasa mwaka wa pili.

Tulizunguka nchi nzima tukifanya mikutano ya
hadhara tukielezsa mfumokristo.
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Unaposema serikalini tu haitoshi. Mliyapeleka wizara ipi na ni nani alikuwa waziri kwenye wizara husika wakati mnayapeleka hayo maswali/malalamiko?
 
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