Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

[Mohamed Said]

Tupatie hints angalau kuwa "dhulma" tulizopeleka serikalini ni hizi:
-BAKWATA ifutwe turudishe EAMWS;
-Tugawane vyeo, ajira na madaraka ya NCHI hii kwa uwiano wa DINI;
-Waislamu wasifikishe wala kufikishwa kwenye hizi mahakama za kawaida kwa lolote;
-Mwalimu avuliwe heshima na hadhi yote aliyonayo kwa WATANZANIA;
-MoU na makanisa ifutwe mara moja. Walooisaini wafikishwe mahakamani;
-Ubalozi wa VATICAN ufungwe mara moja;
MfumoKristo kama ilivyo lugha ya Kiingereza, upo dunia nzima. Ndio unaotawala dunia. Tanzania sio kisiwa.

WC,

Katika hayo mie sina la kusema huo ni uwanja wako wewe.
Mimi nitakusikiliza tu.

 

[Barubaru]

BAKWATA ni chombo kizito kwelikweli. Kama unadhani ni rahisi kukisukuma pembeni jaribu. BAKWATA ni ya WAISLAM, inaongozwa na WAISLAM. BAKWATA ina umri wa zaidi ya miaka arobaini sasa. Mzee Mohamed angefanikiwa sana kuwaunganisha Waislam kwa malengo yake kama asingekibeza na kukidharau chombo hiki na viongozi wake.

Mbadala wa BAKWATA ni taasisi ipi? Muulize Mzee Mohamed, maswali yao kwenda serikalini wametumia chombo gani kuyapeleka? Kama hayana baraka za BAKWATA yeye aendelee kusubiri tu kwa miaka mingine 20 ijayo!

Unajua kuna mengi yanastahajabisha kuhusu hii BAKWATA kwani mimi miaka mwinzoni mwa 80's nikiwa kiongozi wa Serikali kulikuwa unapewa utaratibu maalum wa KUSWALI na viongozi wa Bakwata wakt wa sikukuu kubwa kubwa za Kiislam kama Eid. Ingawa mara nyingi zilikuwa zinanikuta niko Likizo Znz lakin pindi kazini ulilazimishwa.

suala la kujiuliza kunani na nchi haina dini?


Kwanini viongozi wa Bakwata mchukulie Mufti kwanini hawezi kuswali misikiti yote isipokuwa ile tu ya Bakwata?

 

[Mohamed Said]

Sasa tupo kwenye madai mliyoyapeleka miaka miwili iliyopita. Mbona unasahau haraka? Ya Mkapa nimekukumbushia tu ili tuwekane sawa kwenye haya madai ya sasa.

Sweke,

Ndugu yangu nakupenda inaelekea unayapenda maneno yangu
maana hukawii kunijibu tena kwa haraka.

Ahsante sana.

Hapana sijasahau kitu.
Ningekuwa nimesahau nisingekuambia kuwa huko tushapita.

Maana ya msemo huo ni kuwa usinirudishe nyuma.

 

[Inside10]

Masahihisho kidogo.

Nyerere anataka kutawadhwa kuwa MWENYEHERI na sio MTAKATIFU>

sahihisho la pili
wapo kwenye mchakato sio kutakka kumtangaza

 

[WildCard]

WC,

Katika Uislam subira imekokotezwa sana.

Sisi hatuna hofu na kusubiri kwani kila
mwenye kusubiri yuko na Allah.

Tulianza haya kwa kunon'gona leo tuna
radio inarusha madhila ya mfumokristo
kila Muislam yuko na mkewe, wanae na
watoto wao wanasikikiliza.

BAKWATA ilikuwa na nguvu.
Hii leo viongozi wake wanaogopa kuja kuswali
na Waislam wenziwao.

BAKWATA imebaki wao na jengo lao bovu pale
Kinondoni.

Wewe ulikuwa unanijua mimi?

Leo Waislam wakitangaziwa kuwa Mohamed Said
atakuwa hewani hatoki mtu...

Mafti wa BAKWATA hathubutu hata kutia pua yake
kwenye vyombo vya habari vya Kiislam.

Huyu ndiye Allah Hakimu Muadilifu.

1. Na hii ndiyo subra aliyotufunza katika kitabu chake.

Mzee Mohamed,
Unajua kilichoipa umaarufu ile Tv ya Kiarabu ya Al Jazeera? Mikanda ya Osama bin Laden. Tulipokuwa tukiambiwa leo kuna mkanda wa Osama utarushwa pale hata kama ni kwa audio pekee bila picha tulikuwa hatubanduki pale. Unapenda mno kusikilizwa kuliko kuhojiwa. Unapenda sana kutukuzwa, kuenziwa na wakati mwingine unatamani kuabudiwa!

Yana mwisho haya. Wewe jifanye "celebrity" wa udini.

 

[Inside10]

WC,

Katika hayo mie sina la kusema huo ni uwanja wako wewe.
Mimi nitakusikiliza tu.

kwa staili hii ya kujibu mnakasha huu utaenda hadi koment 10000 pasipo hata kudadavua hoja ndogo

 

[zumbemkuu]

kwa staili hii ya kujibu mnakasha huu utaenda hadi koment 10000 pasipo hata kudadavua hoja ndogo

nimeshangaa tupo page ya 227 na bado hamna hoja inayojibiwa kwa hoja yenye mashiko, watu wanazunguka mlemle tu.

 

[WildCard]

Masahihisho kidogo.

Nyerere anataka kutawadhwa kuwa MWENYEHERI na sio MTAKATIFU>

Sio Nyerere, ni Julius au Kambarage. Nyerere alikufa mpagani kabisa.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Mkuu BashaDido hivi ulikuwa hujui Mohamed Said ni mbabaishaji,mzushi na mfarakanishaji mkubwa nashangaa anajitapa waislam wanamsikiliza na wanamwamini anachowaambia!.Ikiwa umma wa waIslam Tanzania unashabikia ngano za Mo basi lipo tatizo kubwa kuliko tunavyofikiri.Yapo maswali mengi kaulizwa kashindwa kujibu,ujanja anaotumia akiona swali limemzidi kimo analikwepa kijanja kwa kutumbukiza hadith za kitabu chake.

Ngongo,

Ingawa umemkusidia BD naona nami nitie neno kwako.

Ndugu yangu unaandika kwa ghadhabu ni hili linatoa ladha za hoja zako.

Mimi usidhani najitapa kwa Waislam.

Kama unaweza waulize hata wanafunzi wa shule za Kiislam kuhusu mimi.
Sasa si kama nakuambia haya kuzidisha tambo.

Historia hii ya babu zao imesisimua sana jamii ya Kiislam si hapa bara bali
hadi Zanzibar.

Sijisifu.
Hapana.

Nakueleza haya ile uweze kupata picha ya hali ilivyo katika jamii ya Kiislam.
Niko humu kukujulisheni yale ambayo kamwe hamkupata kuyajua hata kusikia.

Hakika kuna maswali nashindwa kujibu.
Siwezi kuwa mie nikajua kila kitu.

Hilo moja pili kuna maswali sijibu kwa kuwa nayaona hayana tija na sababu
nyingine nyingi tu.

Mimi si mtu wa ujanja.
Hiyo si sifa yangu.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Mzee Mohamed,
Unajua kilichoipa umaarufu ile Tv ya Kiarabu ya Al Jazeera? Mikanda ya Osama bin Laden. Tulipokuwa tukiambiwa leo kuna mkanda wa Osama utarushwa pale hata kama ni kwa audio pekee bila picha tulikuwa hatubanduki pale. Unapenda mno kusikilizwa kuliko kuhojiwa. Unapenda sana kutukuzwa, kuenziwa na wakati mwingine unatamani kuabudiwa!

Yana mwisho haya. Wewe jifanye "celebrity" wa udini.

Audhubillah min dhalika.
Kuabudiwa?

 

[WildCard]

Audhubillah min dhalika.
Kuabudiwa?

Angalia maandishi yako tangu mwanzo wa thread hii. Kuna wakati unatamani kuabudiwa!

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Can you give some specific examples of how the Catholic Church is controlling the government by proxy? Who in the Catholic Church that is in charge of this controlling? The Cardinal, the Chairman of TEC, individuals bishops and priests?

How does the Church controls 75% of the seats in the parliament? By "Muslims" what do you mean? Do you mean those members of BAKWATA and thus BAKWATA controls these seats? Granted... how? How did the Church manipulate the political system? A system that one time under Nyerere nationalised Church's schools and hospitals? A system that one time declared a catholic priest a persona non grata is controlling the government?



So Othman Chande (Chief Justice) - A Muslim - is a servant of the Catholic Church?
Is Fakih A. R Jundu (Principle Judge) - A Muslim - is a servant of the Catholic Church
President Kikwete - A Muslim
Vice President Ghaib Bilal - A Muslim
Rashid Othman (Head of TISS) - A Muslim
Said Mwema (Inspector General) - A Muslim

Are all these people being controlled by the Catholic Church? Do they know it or not? If not would you inform them to their face that they are serving the Catholic Church which controls them by proxy?

How does the Catholic Church control all these Muslims so effectively that none of them is aware of the controlling? Unless...

You don't consider these people good Muslims.. and more especially if they belong to BAKWATA...

Sasa kama hujaelewa na hoja hiyo yenye title ya TERRORISM ni wazi sasa utakua umeamua tuh kwa makusudi yako kujitoa UFAHAM...

THEN,MBONA UNAONEKANA UDINI UMEKUJAA SANA??

 

[Ngongo]

Wakuu wangu Mzee Mwanakijiji sweke34 Nguruvi3 JokaKuu zumbemkuu Mohamed Said Ritz WildCard .......

Bunge la JMT lina jumla ya wabunge 323 kati yao wabunge 232 ni wakuchaguliwa na wananchi moja kwa moja,wengine 10 wanateuliwa na Rais wa JMT, 75 ni viti maalum [wanawake],wabunge 5 wanachaguliwa na BLW Zanzibar.

Zanzibar ina jumla ya majimbo 50 ya uchaguzi na idadi ya watu 1,303,568 na Tanganyika majimbo 182 ya uchaguzi na idadi ya watu 43,625,435.

Mfumo kristo umetoa nafasi kwa Zanzibar yenye jumla ya watu 1,303,568 ambao zaidi ya 90s% ni waislam kuwakilishwa na zaid ya wabunge 55.Wastani ni mbunge mmoja watu 23,700.Zanzibar ingekuwa na idadi kubwa ya wakatoliki pengine ningekubaliana na hadith za Mohamed Said .

Can you give some specific examples of how the Catholic Church is controlling the government by proxy? Who in the Catholic Church that is in charge of this controlling? The Cardinal, the Chairman of TEC, individuals bishops and priests?

How does the Church controls 75% of the seats in the parliament? By "Muslims" what do you mean? Do you mean those members of BAKWATA and thus BAKWATA controls these seats? Granted... how? How did the Church manipulate the political system? A system that one time under Nyerere nationalised Church's schools and hospitals? A system that one time declared a catholic priest a persona non grata is controlling the government?



So Othman Chande (Chief Justice) - A Muslim - is a servant of the Catholic Church?
Is Fakih A. R Jundu (Principle Judge) - A Muslim - is a servant of the Catholic Church
President Kikwete - A Muslim
Vice President Ghaib Bilal - A Muslim
Rashid Othman (Head of TISS) - A Muslim
Said Mwema (Inspector General) - A Muslim

Are all these people being controlled by the Catholic Church? Do they know it or not? If not would you inform them to their face that they are serving the Catholic Church which controls them by proxy?

How does the Catholic Church control all these Muslims so effectively that none of them is aware of the controlling? Unless...

You don't consider these people good Muslims.. and more especially if they belong to BAKWATA...

 

[Mohamed Said]

nimeshangaa tupo page ya 227 na bado hamna hoja inayojibiwa kwa hoja yenye mashiko, watu wanazunguka mlemle tu.

Z,

Haya mambo ndiyo yalivyo.
Waotuhumiwa wako kimya tulii.

Nyie ndiyo mnakuwa wasemaji wa serikali.
Mnatuhoji Waislam kutaka kujua nini shida zetu.

Mmegeuka kuwa serikali.
Hii ipo katika historia zote za ukandamizaji.

Hadi pale yanapotokea machafuko...
Hapo akili zinarejea na kila upande unamuuliza mwenzake...

Kwani ilikuwaje?
Hapo mshachelewa...

Hebu msome Prof. Njozi nimechukua kidogo sura ya pili ya ''Mwebechai Killings...'':

[SIZE=+3]The rise of religious tension[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]

The way the government handled the Mwembechai saga convinced Muslims that their government was not only biased in favour of Christians but was now acting like a military wing of the church. After the Mwembechai killings the government did not want to be reminded of Padre Lwambano's fabrications which were broadcast over the Catholic radio, nor of its solemn promise to take severe measures against Muslim preachers. It was clear to the Muslims that the government refused to appoint a probe team because it did not want to be confronted with the unpleasant truth. The government knew the truth. Muslims were innocent but had to be killed to satisfy the demands of church leaders. The praise and satisfaction expressed by the highest hierarchical Catholic leader at the killings reinforced that perception. The prevention of Muslim women to reveal what they suffered in remand prison, the granting of bail to Christian suspects and denying the same to Muslims, and as Abu Aziz (1998:35) notes in his submission to the Attorney General, ‘the absence of even the minor consolation of words of sympathy from the President to the bereaved families, giving the impression of the CCM government feeling satisfied in killing innocent citizens as if they were common criminals (even criminals deserve justice)' intensified Muslim anger and resentment.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]Muslims began to criticise President Mkapa's government as a government of murderers, and CCM as a political party of murderers. In addition to public utterances, a series of anonymous leaflets began to appear. The favourite theme of the leaflets was the supposed government plan to carry out a genocide of Muslims. The death of Mohamed Omari (50) in remand prison after repeatedly being denied medical treatment lent support to those stories. It was at this point that Kitwana Kondo, the Kigamboni MP intervened. In his press conference on 21 May, 1998 he strongly criticised the government for reinforcing the Muslim perception that it was anti-Muslim and wanted them to die in remand prison (Majira 22 May, 1998). Expressions of Muslim support for Kitwana Kondo echoed across the nation. Many Christians regarded him as a dangerous person who was fanning religious hatred in the country. By the end of the year tension was so high that the Muslims were cursing the government in public gatherings. A way had to be found of calming down the tension. President Mkapa managed to do this in his speech at the Idd-el-Fitr Baraza at the Diamond Jubilee Hall on 19 January, 1999. In two important ways his speech marked an important milestone in the political history of Tanzania. For the first time the government acknowledged the existence of long-standing Muslim grievances, and for the first time it set out a procedure of resolving them. The political tragedy of our country lies in the fact that the proposed mechanism was a non-starter and yet many Christians feared that it was too revolutionary.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0]What did the President propose? Why are his proposals unsatisfactory? We address those questions in the following chapter.[/SIZE]

 

[Zimmermann]

Sweke,

Ndugu yangu nakupenda inaelekea unayapenda maneno yangu
maana hukawii kunijibu tena kwa haraka.

Ahsante sana.

Hapana sijasahau kitu.
Ningekuwa nimesahau nisingekuambia kuwa huko tushapita.

Maana ya msemo huo ni kuwa usinirudishe nyuma.

Tunachotaka kujua sisi ni wapi mliyapeleka hayo madai miaka miwili iliyopita.
Nikusaidie kidogo. Mwaka jana wanafunzi wa kiislam waliandamana kupinga wenzao kufungiwa masomo Ndanda baada ya kudai kujengewa msikiti shuleni. Waziri Shukuru Kawambwa alipokea malalamiko yao na akaahidi kuyashughulikia na alishughulikia na ukweli unajulikana. Walipofeli wanafunzi somo la Islamic knowledge kupita kiasi, malalamiko yalipelekwa wizarani, uchunguzi ukafanyika na matokeo yake tumeyaona yakitangazwa rasmi na waziri mwenyewe Shukuru Kawambwa.
Sasa nyinyi miaka miwili iliyopita mlipeleka malalamiko yenu wapi/kwa nani na kupitia taasisi gani inayowakilisha waislam wote Tanzania? Wasaidie hata ndugu zako wanaokufuata hapa wapate kujua kinachoendelea.

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Hata mm nimeona dharau nyingi kwenye huu uzi hasa huyu mtu anaeitwa YERICKO X

Boko haram,huyu jamaa mimi ananichanganya sana..!!

MODS WATUSAIDIE,ILI MTU UWE VERIFIED SI LAZIMA UWE MTU MWENYEWE HALISI?
MFANO..

1.MOHAMED SAID,NI VERIFIED USER NA TUNAMFAHAM KWA JINA HILO HATA MTAANI NA KWENYE JAMII YETU..

2.DR W. SLAA NI VERIFIED USER NA TUMEJITOSHELEZA NA UHALALI WA JINA LAKE,,

3.ZITTO KABWE.,JOHN MNYIKA.KITILA MKUMBO NA WENGINEO WENGI,,

4.ANDREW NYERERE

5.BEN SAA NANE N.K,,

NI WAZI KWAMBA TUMEJITOSHELEZA NA UHALISIA WA MAJINA YAO HAO WATU WOTE WALIOAMUA KUJIVERIFY,SASA HUYU YERICKO NYERERE NI NANI HASA??NA MODS WALIAMUA VIPI KUMVERIFY MTU ANAETUMIA JINA KUBWA KAMA HILI NCHINI KWETU HALI YA KUWA HANA UHUSIANO WOWOTE NA FAMILIA HIYO?

KWA MAANA HIYO SASA,MTU YEYOTE ANAWEZA KUJIITA MFANO SHARIFF KIKWETE AKAWA VERIFIED?NA SISI TUKIHOJI YEYE NI KIKWETE YUPI NI KOSA?NA JE HUYU MHUSIKA MWENYEWE KUKAA KIMYA BILA YA KUSEMA YEYE NI KIKWETE FLANI SIO KOSA??

MODS MTUSAIDIE KATIKA HILI...

KAMA AMEGOMA KABISA KUSEMA YEYE NI NYERERE GANI BASI YANAONDOA HESHIMA YA JUKWAA HILI,NA KAMA AMEAMUA KUTUMIA JINA HILO KUJIVERIFY KWA LENGO FULANI BASI AKEMEWE MARA MOJA NA AIFUTE ID HII HARAKA SANA.

 

[Ngongo]

Fungua thread mpya hapa tunajadili fitna na chuki za Mo dhidi ya wapigania uhuru wasio wazee wake wa Gerezani.

Boko haram,huyu jamaa mimi ananichanganya sana..!!

MODS WATUSAIDIE,ILI MTU UWE VERIFIED SI LAZIMA UWE MTU MWENYEWE HALISI?
MFANO..

1.MOHAMED SAID,NI VERIFIED USER NA TUNAMFAHAM KWA JINA HILO HATA MTAANI NA KWENYE JAMII YETU..

2.DR W. SLAA NI VERIFIED USER NA TUMEJITOSHELEZA NA UHALALI WA JINA LAKE,,

3.ZITTO KABWE.,JOHN MNYIKA.KITILA MKUMBO NA WENGINEO WENGI,,

4.ANDREW NYERERE

5.BEN SAA NANE N.K,,

NI WAZI KWAMBA TUMEJITOSHELEZA NA UHALISIA WA MAJINA YAO HAO WATU WOTE WALIOAMUA KUJIVERIFY,SASA HUYU YERICKO NYERERE NI NANI HASA??NA MODS WALIAMUA VIPI KUMVERIFY MTU ANAETUMIA JINA KUBWA KAMA HILI NCHINI KWETU HALI YA KUWA HANA UHUSIANO WOWOTE NA FAMILIA HIYO?

KWA MAANA HIYO SASA,MTU YEYOTE ANAWEZA KUJIITA MFANO SHARIFF KIKWETE AKAWA VERIFIED?NA SISI TUKIHOJI YEYE NI KIKWETE YUPI NI KOSA?NA JE HUYU MHUSIKA MWENYEWE KUKAA KIMYA BILA YA KUSEMA YEYE NI KIKWETE FLANI SIO KOSA??

MODS MTUSAIDIE KATIKA HILI...

 

[Ritz]

Wakuu wangu Mzee Mwanakijiji sweke34 Nguruvi3 JokaKuu zumbemkuu Mohamed Said Ritz WildCard .......

Bunge la JMT lina jumla ya wabunge 323 kati yao wabunge 232 ni wakuchaguliwa na wananchi moja kwa moja,wengine 10 wanateuliwa na Rais wa JMT, 75 ni viti maalum [wanawake],wabunge 5 wanachaguliwa na BLW Zanzibar.

Zanzibar ina jumla ya majimbo 50 ya uchaguzi na idadi ya watu 1,303,568 na Tanganyika majimbo 182 ya uchaguzi na idadi ya watu 43,625,435.

Mfumo kristo umetoa nafasi kwa Zanzibar yenye jumla ya watu 1,303,568 ambao zaidi ya 90s% ni waislam kuwakilishwa na zaid ya wabunge 55.Wastani ni mbunge mmoja watu 23,700.Zanzibar ingekuwa na idadi kubwa ya wakatoliki pengine ningekubaliana na hadith za Mohamed Said .

Mkuu Ngongo,

Nimependa uchambuzi wako lakini bahati mbaya ujamalizia idadi ya wabunge wakistu na waislam upande wa Tanzania bara pamoja na asilimia.

Hebu malizia uchambuzi wako tuwekee idadi ya wabunge na dini zao.

Tunasubiri mkuu wangu.

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Fungua thread mpya hapa tunajadili fitna na chuki za Mo dhidi ya wapigania uhuru wasio wazee wake wa Gerezani.

Mohamed said ni verified user na anafahamika.,
Adrew nyerere ni verified user na anafahamika,,

Huyu YERICKO NYERERE anaeongoza vita ya kumkejeli Mohamed said ni nani hasa??ana uhusiano gani na familia ya nyerere?

PLEASE MODS MTUSAIDIE KATIKA HILI.

 

[THE BIG SHOW]

Mods wasipokuwa makini watawapiga ban watu wengi sana kuhusu huyu Yericko.

Yeye mwenyewe anasema Nyerere ni baba yake anaenda mbali zaidi na kusema akienda likizo Butiama ataleta ushahidi wa picha za Mariale.

Watu wakimuuliza wewe ni mtoto wa ngapi wa Julius Kambarage hataki kusema mama yako ni Mama Maria hataki kusema.

Mtoto mkubwa wa Julius Kambarage, Andew Nyerere kasema wazi hamjui Yericko basi na yeye apigwe ban.

Naungana moja kwa moja na wewe Rits,

kama huyu Yericko ameshindwa kusema yeye ni nani,ana mamlaka gani ya kutumia jina ambalo halina uhusiano na yeye kujiverify nalo?,na kwanini awe anaogopa kujipambanua yeye ni nani hasa?

Hatuwez kujadiliana na mtu ambae kaamua kujiverify kwa kuongopea uhalisia ulivyo,hili liangaliwe kwa jina pana huku mjadala huu ukiendelea..