Uhuru Kenyatta and The Land Question in Kenya.

Uhuru Kenyatta and The Land Question in Kenya.

This is just simplistic, who among those that were hacked to death had "stolen an election"?. Do yourself some justice and read the whole article.

Thats agenda four though there were more issues
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You might call it simplistic but that is the naked truth...the violence that preceded the election was
because one party felt aggrieved that the election had been stolen from them and their supporters
disenfranchised. Then one side decided to hack PNU supporters in the Rift Valley thinking that the
government would capitulate....then the other side engaged the Mungiki in revenge attacks and
'aiming to protect their own'...whatever that means. All this happened while their was a
government in place and a Commander in Chief who could not protect Kenyan citizens.

...then you ask who among those that were hacked to death had stolen an election?...meaning you
have refused to read the part where I pointed out about command and control having to do with the
deaths.

Everyone who has bothered to follow the Kenyan election of '07 and the aftermath knows about
agenda 4 and the issues needed to be addressed. The question still remains, did Kibaki deal
with these agendas? No!

So now we are being told The Question is an emotive issue and we should not talk about it
during the campaign period! That sounds suspect to me and its a gag in all its definitions. For Kenyans
to bury their heads in the sand on this matter is just like kicking the can down the road...you
are simply postponing a problem.

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Simply say this guy has and will never have moral authority to solve Kenyans Land problems as he owns half of that land in question...wakenya chagueni Raila acheni ukabila...
 
Simply say this guy has and will never have moral authority to solve Kenyans Land problems as he owns half of that land in question...wakenya chagueni Raila acheni ukabila...

Last time i checked he was not tribeless so what makes you think he is any different from anyone else? Funny thing is Tanzanians accuse Kenyans of tribalism then in some disguised veil of hypocrisy call all Kenyans Nyang'au so if you can call me Nyang'au because of where i come from how different are you from any other person you gonna accuse of tribalism?
 
Uhuru challenged folks on this matter and he is having it from day one.

Yap.. yap hapo ndipo patamu, hii issue ya ardhi hakuna namna Uhuru anaweza kuikimbia, ni lazima itamtafuna tu.
Nasubiri presidential debate jumatatu tarehe 11/01/2013 ili nione vingunge wa kwa jirani yetu wanavyochuana.
 
Last time i checked he was not tribeless so what makes you think he is any different from anyone else? Funny thing is Tanzanians accuse Kenyans of tribalism then in some disguised veil of hypocrisy call all Kenyans Nyang'au so if you can call me Nyang'au because of where i come from how different are you from any other person you gonna accuse of tribalism?

Ndugu Dhuks ni vizuri ukatambua kwamba hii ni open forum kwahiyo kila mmoja ana haki na uhuru wa kutoa maoni yake. Kama unadhani watanzania hawana haki ya kutoa maoni yao basi muombe moderator(s) waifanye hii subforum ya kenyan politics iwe ni kwa ajili ya wakenya tu.

Sisi kama majirani zenu, wengine tuna ndugu wa damu huko kenya kwahiyo in one way or another tuna maslahi na siasa za kenya ndio maana tunafuatilia kila kinachotokea huko. Hata ninyi wakenya baadhi yenu mna maslahi na Tanzania ndio maana tulimshuhudia Makamu wenu wa raisi Kalonzo Musyoka akija Tanzania kumfanyia kampeni Raisi Kikwete.
 
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Ndugu Dhuks ni vizuri ukatambua kwamba hii ni open forum kwahiyo kila mmoja ana haki na uhuru wa kutoa maoni yake. Kama unadhani watanzania hawana haki ya kutoa maoni yao basi muombe moderator(s) waifanye hii subforum ya kenyan politics iwe ni kwa ajili ya wakenya tu.

Sisi kama majirani zenu, wengine tuna ndugu wa damu huko kenya kwahiyo in one way or another tuna maslahi na siasa za kenya ndio maana tunafuatilia kila kinachotokea huko. Hata ninyi wakenya baadhi yenu mna maslahi na Tanzania ndio maana tulimshuhudia Makamu wenu wa raisi Kalonzo Musyoka akija Tanzania kumfanyia kampeni Raisi Kikwete.

Sikusema mtu yeyote asichangie mimi au asiwe na interest yoyote lakini dhana ya kusema wakenya lazima kufanya hili au lile ni kucheza na uhuru wetu wa kujiamulia.
 
Last time i checked he was not tribeless so what makes you think he is any different from anyone else? Funny thing is Tanzanians accuse Kenyans of tribalism then in some disguised veil of hypocrisy call all Kenyans Nyang'au so if you can call me Nyang'au because of where i come from how different are you from any other person you gonna accuse of tribalism?

We never called you Nyagau. those are long time politics orchestrated by CIA and if your deep enough i hope you may have a clue on that Nyangaus issue...
 
We never called you Nyagau. those are long time politics orchestrated by CIA and if your deep enough i hope you may have a clue on that Nyangaus issue...

Browse through several threads here and you will see it replicated so often.
 
Musalia Mudavadi joins the 'Land Debate'....Keep it coming!

Debate on land spot on, says Mudavadi.

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By Tobias Chanji and Patrick Beja

KENYA: Amani Coalition presidential candidate Musalia Mudavadi and his running mate Jeremiah Kioni said politicians should speak freely on issues of land and historical injustices.

Speaking at several rallies in Mombasa and Kwale counties, on Friday, they urged voters to reject presidential candidates who will damage the country’s international relations if elected.

Standard Digital News - Kenya : Debate on land spots on, says Mudavadi
 
Maina Kiai also gives his 2 cents....

I shudder when Kibunjia talks since it reminds me of the old Nyayo order

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By MAINA KIAI ( email the author)

Posted Friday, February 8 2013 at 18:39

NCIC chairman Mzalendo Kibunjia has joined the ranks of those spouting baloney during this campaign season.

His view that talking about historical injustices is tantamount to incitement portrays an ignorance that is worrying, or worse, suggests that he is unlawfully partisan. For his statement echoes Uhuru Kenyatta on Al Jazeerah, that history is irrelevant.

And not to be outdone, our new Inspector General of Police has also joined the fray, warning against discussing land issues on the basis that they are emotive!

Am I missing something? Did we not pass a new Constitution that protects the freedom of speech to international standards? Are these guys still in the old Nyayo era?

History is crucial to Kenya, and we need to know it all: The good, the bad and the ugly. For as Confucius said: "Study the past if you would define the future."

From the Rift, Central, Coast, Western, to North Eastern provinces, the history of land is vital; how it was acquired, how it was distributed, and who got what, where, and how.

All the political players understand the centrality of land and historical injustices. Where they differ is on whether and how they will deal with these issues if they are elected.

And it is here that their personal histories - as beneficiaries, status quo believers, or agents of change­ - are crucial for us to ascertain their ability to deliver these promises.

But it's not just land and historical injustices that have fallen victim to electoral baloney. Many politicians are telling barefaced lies. They think and take us for fools, and we must challenge them. Here are a few choice ones:

"We will bring back ICC cases to Kenya," by Kalonzo Musyoka and Musalia Mudavadi:

They can't. Until we have a police force capable of doing proper, professional, and independent investigations - which in the best of circumstances; given the rot in the force is at least five years away - this is a pipe-dream.

And if the utterances by the new police boss are any indicator, we have perhaps longer to wait. It is not even clear what law would apply for these cases if they were to be brought back here, as the International Crimes Act came into force in 2009, and does not cover the post-election violence. This means the accused can't be charged here with the same crimes as they face at The Hague, which is necessary.

"Winning the election means that Kenyans question the ICC process, which should be taken into account," by Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto:

Popularity has nothing to do with justice or judicial processes. Might is not right. Hitler was elected in a landslide in 1933 even as he planned genocide.

Juvenal Habyrimana was popular even as his regime plotted genocide in Rwanda. And let's not forget that Daniel Moi was declared the winner of elections in 1992 and 1997 despite credible reports that his regime was behind the "ethnic clashes" in the Rift Valley.

"We will provide free university education," by Raila Odinga and Kalonzo Musyoka:

Only if they mean like the "free education" where new fees like cleaning fees, staffing fees, sitting fees, food fees, breathing fees etc emerge! Let's first improve the quality of our public primary education by pumping resources so that public schools can compete with private academies and give poor ordinary Kenyan children a chance at life.

And then focus on making secondary education really free, and of such quality that even if students do not get into universities they are able to make a middle class life for themselves.

"We will not be affected if we become a pariah nation because we can always turn to China," by TNA activists:

It is good that China has become an important partner, balancing the different political and economic interests internationally. So why would we want to have only one major partner - creating a new dependency and oppression­ - when we could have more?

The trade imbalance with China is massive as it does not import our coffee, miraa, tea, beef, or flowers. Nor do Chinese visit Kenya in significant numbers.

Remember Robert Mugabe tried this idea, but came to such grief that to rectify things, Zimbabwe had to give up its currency for the US dollar.

And recently Myanmar - for decades a pariah and closed state with China its only ally - decided to expand its international allies to include the West.

This would be a painful option. Do we need to try it to see if it really burns?


mkiai2000@yahoo.com

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Mugo admits Kenyatta family owns huge tracts of land, but defends Uhuru

Updated Tuesday, February 12 2013 at 00:17 GMT+3

By David Ochami and Renson Mnyamwezi

Public Health minister Beth Mugo has admitted that Kenyatta's family owns chunks of land in Coast Province. However, Ms Mugo claimed some of the properties have been donated to the landless.

The Kenyatta family has been under pressure to disclose the land it owns. CORD leaders led by Prime Minister Raila Odinga have turned land into a campaign tool throwing salvos at Jubilee alliance presidential candidate Uhuru Kenyatta.

At the weekend, Mugo, who was in Mombasa trying to blunt claims about the Kenyatta family and land ownership in Coast Province, said the family had donated land to squatters.

Mugo defended Uhuru against claims of grabbing land. She told a TNA meeting that Uhuru should not be blamed for the huge tracts of land the family owns because "he was born just the other day" and that "he did not choose to be born in the Kenyatta family".

"We know that Uhuru and his family out of humanitarian considerations gave out land in Taita Taveta. They subdivided land and gave it out of their own volition," said Mugo, who added the Deputy Prime Minister and his family had demonstrated that they are human.

The minister hinted that in future, the Kenyatta family will be willing to discuss land crisis in Kenya and Coast Province provided all discussions recognised "the sanctity of the title".

Said she: "When there will be laws to direct this matter of land reforms, Kenyatta family is ready to abide by the rule of law and Constitution."

Damage reputation


However, the minister did not disclose when the Kenyatta family allegedly donated land to squatters in Taita Taveta, when they acquired the land and how much was allegedly dished out.

On October 21, last year, Gender minister Naomi Shaban claimed Kenyatta's family was willing to donate 1,000 acres of the vast Gicheha Farm in Taita.

"The vast Gicheha Farm in Taveta belongs to Kenyatta family and not Uhuru as his political detractors claim. His rivals are using the land to damage his reputation so that the local community can deny him votes," noted Shaban.


Standard Digital News - Kenya : Mugo admits Kenyatta family owns huge tracts of land, but defends Uhuru
 
Mugo admits Kenyatta family owns huge tracts of land, but defends Uhuru

Updated Tuesday, February 12 2013 at 00:17 GMT+3

By David Ochami and Renson Mnyamwezi

Public Health minister Beth Mugo has admitted that Kenyatta's family owns chunks of land in Coast Province.However, Ms Mugo claimed some of the properties have been donated to the landless.

The Kenyatta family has been under pressure to disclose the land it owns. CORD leaders led by Prime Minister Raila Odinga have turned land into a campaign tool throwing salvos at Jubilee alliance presidential candidate Uhuru Kenyatta.

At the weekend, Mugo, who was in Mombasa trying to blunt claims about the Kenyatta family and land ownership in Coast Province, said the family had donated land to squatters.

Mugo defended Uhuru against claims of grabbing land. She told a TNA meeting that Uhuru should not be blamed for the huge tracts of land the family owns because "he was born just the other day" and that "he did not choose to be born in the Kenyatta family".

"We know that Uhuru and his family out of humanitarian considerations gave out land in Taita Taveta. They subdivided land and gave it out of their own volition," said Mugo, who added the Deputy Prime Minister and his family had demonstrated that they are human.

The minister hinted that in future, the Kenyatta family will be willing to discuss land crisis in Kenya and Coast Province provided all discussions recognised "the sanctity of the title".

Said she: "When there will be laws to direct this matter of land reforms, Kenyatta family is ready to abide by the rule of law and Constitution."

Damage reputation


However, the minister did not disclose when the Kenyatta family allegedly donated land to squatters in Taita Taveta, when they acquired the land and how much was allegedly dished out.

On October 21, last year, Gender minister Naomi Shaban claimed Kenyatta's family was willing to donate 1,000 acres of the vast Gicheha Farm in Taita.

"The vast Gicheha Farm in Taveta belongs to Kenyatta family and not Uhuru as his political detractors claim. His rivals are using the land to damage his reputation so that the local community can deny him votes," noted Shaban.


Standard Digital News - Kenya : Mugo admits Kenyatta family owns huge tracts of land, but defends Uhuru

Now they are using the name "Kenyatta Family" to defend their unholy acquisition of huge tracts of land
at the expense of the regular mwananchi. The cat is already out of the bag on this one.

Kisha huyu Beth Mugo ananishangaza kwa kauli yake eti "Uhuru Kenyatta was born just the other day."
What the heck is he running for the presidency for? kama ni kijana mdogo si aketi nyumbani mpaka atakapokoma.

Hatukubali haya maelezo ya kihuni!
 
Waona ambavyo shaban anaiweka wazi jambo hili. Kwa hivyo tuseme these are family feuds at play ambazo raila anatumia kuinfluence vile watu watapiga kura. Wanasiasa waweze kutofautisha mambo yatakayowafaidi wakenya na yale personal. ulisikia juzi peter kenneth akisema hatujui zilianzia wapi na zitakomea wapi?
 
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