Ukabila Ikulu, Ujenzi, Mambo ya nje, Mipango, TRA, BoT + Ofisi nyeti za serikali

[nguluvisonzo]

Niliwahi kwenda kuulizia kazi ktk ofisi moja mjini aeusha, nilishangaa mkuu wa ofisi akaniuliza 'wani wewe ni mhaya', nikamwambia hapana akasema basi kama sio mhaya ondoka tu ndugu yangu. Taratiiiibu nikasepa mtoto wa kiume.......... Ni ngumu kuamini lakini hii thread ina kaukweli ambako huwezi kukatetea kwa hali historia ilivyoshape mambo. Napitapita humuhumu tu wakuuu!

Mwongo peupe wewe usifurahishe baraza wakati wanaume wanafikiri,ofisi gani hiyo kama wewe ni mkweli uiseme hapa tukafanye utafiti,maana ndio kazi yetu wana JF.

 

[kifuniboy]

kaka kweli nimekukubali.umeipangia vizuri sana.tunatakiwa tushukuru MUNGU walau hawa ndugu zetu walibaatika kwenda shule.sasa huyu aliyetoa mada atupe facts ya hii thread yake laa sivyo huyu ni mpuuzi tuu.

samvulechole... hakuna hoja ambayo ni ngeni hapa.. madai ya makabila hayo kupendelewa hayakuanza leo! tangu mara tu baada ya uhuru kulikuwa na tuhuma hizo hizo.. so.. there is nothing there..! Hata hivyo hatari unayoweza kuleta siyo ukabila bali ubaguzi, kuwa kama mtu anatoka kwenye makabila hayo basi asipewe nafasi fulani kwa vile watu fulani wanadhani kuna ukabila! Nitakupa mfano, kuna wanasheria watatu wote ni maprofesa... kuna Prof. Mwakalindile (Sheria, uzoefu miaka 30), Prof. Mtimba (mmakua, uzoefu miaka 10, sheria), na Prof. Chanda (Mzigua, sheria uzoefu miaka 5). Assuming maeneo ya fani zao ni sawa, ceteris paribus Rais anataka kumteua mshauri wa kisheria.. nani apewe kwa haki? Wengi watasema prof. Mwakalindile! Sasa kwa kufanya hivyo hata hivyo kuna wanyakyusa wawili tayari hapo ikulu ambao wameshapata nafasi zao, je tumnyime Mwakalindile kwa vile itaonesha ukabila?

Kabla hatujafikia hapo pa kudai ukabila tujiulize: "Kwanini inaonekana kuna wasomi wengi wa makabila hayo matatu Wachaga, Wahaya, na Wanyakyusa"? Je, tupunguze wanafunzi wanaotoka kwenye makabila hayo na kuwapa nafasi watu wa makabila mengine ili kuleta uwiano (parity)? Je tukiamua kufanya hivyo hatutakuwa tunaanza ubaguzi wa kikabila?

Tarehe 9 Disemba 1968 Nyerere alitumia siku ya Jamhuri kuzungumzia "Vitu ambavyo ni lazima Tuvisahihishe", vitu ambavyo baada ya uhuru havikwenda vilivyotarajiwa. Alizungumzia ukabila; kwanza alisema hivi:

"the man who talks about tribalism being practised without having any evidence for his statement is often a man who wants to stir up tribalism. Even if that is not his purpose, the result can be just the same. People will begin to think that there is tribalism, and, once people begin to think in these terms, then tribalism has begun to enter tinto our society"

Kuhusu Wahaya, Wanyakyusa, na Wachaga kupata nafasi nyingi katika serikali, Mwalimu alisema hivi miaka karibu 30 iliyopita:

"..the work of the civil servants and people in the parastatal organizations does require education..it so happened that the Tanzanians who had the opportunity for higher education under the colonialists were mostly Wahaya, Wachagga, and Wanyakyusa. And because most of the education was provided by missionaries, most of these people are also Christians. That was our inheritance. These conditions will change, but they have not changed yet. And for these reasons, when we get rid of the Europeans who were doing responsible jobs, and give these jobs to Tanzanians, the people who get them come mostly from one or other of these three tribes".

Akaongeza pia,

"Therefore, if you ask me why Wahaya, Wachagga, and Wanyakyusa have most of the jobs which require higher education, the answer is very obvious. They were the ones who received higher education during colonial times. I'd say: investigate the position in politics where a man is not asked about his educational qualifications. Look at the Parliament, the National Executive and Central Committee of TANU, and at the Cabinet. How many Wanyakyusa, Wahaya, or Wachagga are members? You will find that perhaps there aren't any, or there are one or two. This is the truth"

kwa umahiri wake wa maneno JKN akatoboa ukweli huu

"Anyone who refuses to accept a very obvious truth like this, and says that the reason is tribalism, must provide us with the evidence for his statement. If he cannot provide any evidence, we must conclude either that he is a fool, or that he is strirring up tribalism deliberately. He is the sort of (a) person who begs work on a tribal basis, and when he is refused because he does not have the capabilities, he pretends he was refused on tribal grounds."

Akasema pia ni jukumu la serikali kusaidia sehemu ambazo bado ziko nyuma kielimu. Na alimaliza kwa kusema:

".. if a Mchagga, a Mhaya, or a Mnyakyusayoung man were refused work simply because of his tribe - when he is capable and there is no other Tanzanian with the qualifications - then we would be practising a very stupid and very evil kind of tribalism such as that which caused the establishment of Biafra. I beg you, my brothers, avoid ANYTHING WHICH COULD BRING OUR COUNTRY INTO THIS KIND OF DISGRACE" (emphasis mine)
(From: Uhuru na Maendeleo pp 76,77)

so what say you?

 

[Tulole]

Umeliona hilo ni vema .Tushauri tufanye nini tuondokane na hiyo hali.
Angalizo; Ushauri wako usituhamishe kutoka hao unaodai na kwenda kundi lingine kwa kisingizio waliachwa nyuma. Tusije wapa hao unaowafikiria tukaishia kuruka mkojo na kukanyaga kinyesi. Kwa vile wataanza na kasi ya ajabu ili wafikie kilele ktk muda mfupi.

 

[Alexism]

Siamini kama uko justified kutoa conclusions zako kuhusu makabila haya kwa kutumia hiyo experience yako ndogo ya kuhisi (labda na kusikia) na ulipokuwa chuo. Kwanza si kwamba kama ulikuwa A student basi utaweza ku deliver kazini. Elimu yetu yatufunza "kukariri". Huwezi fanya kazi kwa kutumia elimu "uliyokariri", hivyo usitegemee A student wajae ikulu au TRA na kwingineko, maana kule hatukariri hesabu, jiografia n.k. ila tunafanya kazi. Kule hawaangalii kama ulipata A, hizo A nenda nazo chuo kafundishie watu kukariri. Robert Kiyosaki anazungumzia kuhusu kusaidiana katika masomo ambapo wewe wasema ni cheating, lakini ukienda kwenye ajira hutakuwa ukifanya kazi bila ushirikiano na wenzako. Ndio maana A student wengi huwa hawawezi kuwa na team work maana kwao ushirikiano ni cheating, na hii huwafanya dellivery zao kuwa poor. I was an A student, A ya point 7 na point 3, na GPA kubwa chuoni, ila naamini sana katika ushirikiano darasani.

Kama we ni A student basi hamna haja yakusoma ili kupata A duh kwahiyo ni wazi kuwa wewe ulikuwa mtu wakudesa na kuingia na nondo kwenye exams kama unasema eti kusaidia ni vizuri kwenye paper.
Pili ni vizuri kusoma maelezo ya mtu vizuri,jamaa hakumanisha kwamba siyo vizuri kusaidiana bali anasema wakati wa examz yaani in examination. Hii inanipa mashaka na hizo A7,A3..and G.P.A kubwa kama kweli ni halali..!?

 

[mwanaWaafrika]

People mnapoteza muda kuongea kuhusu ukabila kwenye ajira in being a dog! or slavery, ajira ni utumwa......
kwanini usijiajiri mwenyewe......! learn to be a master and not a dog. Fanya utafiti mtaani kwako ni kabila gani asilimia kubwa wengi wao wamejiajiri wenyewe kisha utapata jibu ni kabila gani linabaguliwa zaidi kwenye ajira. we uko ukwereni/ uzaramoni lakini maduka mengi mtaani ni ya wachagga au wapemba .....? acheni upuuzi kazi yenu kucheza bao alafu mnataka mpewe ajira serikalini........kwanini msiseme wachagga, wapemba na wakinga wanapendelewa kwenye kumiliki biashara ya mduka kariakoo na kumiliki biashara tz....NAZANI ALIYE ANDIKA MAADA ANGEMAANISHA
WACHAGGA, WAPEMBA NA WAKINGA WANAPENDELEWA KWENYE KUMILIKI MADUKA NA BIASHARA TANZANIA.
walaau angeonyesha kuwa ni mpenda maendeleo na mzalendo wa kweli.

 

[JF2050]

Siamini kama uko justified kutoa conclusions zako kuhusu makabila haya kwa kutumia hiyo experience yako ndogo ya kuhisi (labda na kusikia) na ulipokuwa chuo. Kwanza si kwamba kama ulikuwa A student basi utaweza ku deliver kazini. Elimu yetu yatufunza "kukariri". Huwezi fanya kazi kwa kutumia elimu "uliyokariri", hivyo usitegemee A student wajae ikulu au TRA na kwingineko, maana kule hatukariri hesabu, jiografia n.k. ila tunafanya kazi. Kule hawaangalii kama ulipata A, hizo A nenda nazo chuo kafundishie watu kukariri. Robert Kiyosaki anazungumzia kuhusu kusaidiana katika masomo ambapo wewe wasema ni cheating, lakini ukienda kwenye ajira hutakuwa ukifanya kazi bila ushirikiano na wenzako. Ndio maana A student wengi huwa hawawezi kuwa na team work maana kwao ushirikiano ni cheating, na hii huwafanya dellivery zao kuwa poor. I was an A student, A ya point 7 na point 3, na GPA kubwa chuoni, ila naamini sana katika ushirikiano darasani.

Who the hell is "Robert Kiyosaki"?

Kama unasema kuiba na kuibia mitihani ni team work sasa nimeelewa unavyofikiria, halafu umesema umefundishwa kukariri na sio kuelewa, nimekuelewa pia na endelea kukariri, na nashindwa kupata picha uhusiano uliopo kati ya A zako point 7 na 3. Ningekuwa nina nafasi na kama ungekuwa tayari tuonane, ningefurahi sana kuona unavyofanya kazi zako.

Narudia tena, niliyoyaongea ni ukweli, kama hujanielewa endelea kusoma tena na tena mwisho utaelewa naamanisha nini.

 

[JF2050]

People mnapoteza muda kuongea kuhusu ukabila kwenye ajira in being a dog! or slavery, ajira ni utumwa......
kwanini usijiajiri mwenyewe......! learn to be a master and not a dog. Fanya utafiti mtaani kwako ni kabila gani asilimia kubwa wengi wao wamejiajiri wenyewe kisha utapata jibu ni kabila gani linabaguliwa zaidi kwenye ajira. we uko ukwereni/ uzaramoni lakini maduka mengi mtaani ni ya wachagga au wapemba .....? acheni upuuzi kazi yenu kucheza bao alafu mnataka mpewe ajira serikalini........kwanini msiseme wachagga, wapemba na wakinga wanapendelewa kwenye kumiliki biashara ya mduka kariakoo na kumiliki biashara tz....NAZANI ALIYE ANDIKA MAADA ANGEMAANISHA
WACHAGGA, WAPEMBA NA WAKINGA WANAPENDELEWA KWENYE KUMILIKI MADUKA NA BIASHARA TANZANIA.
walaau angeonyesha kuwa ni mpenda maendeleo na mzalendo wa kweli.

Nimependa point yako ya kujiajiri na kuajiri wengine. Ni hilo tu.

 

[JF2050]

Kama we ni A student basi hamna haja yakusoma ili kupata A duh kwahiyo ni wazi kuwa wewe ulikuwa mtu wakudesa na kuingia na nondo kwenye exams kama unasema eti kusaidia ni vizuri kwenye paper.
Pili ni vizuri kusoma maelezo ya mtu vizuri,jamaa hakumanisha kwamba siyo vizuri kusaidiana bali anasema wakati wa examz yaani in examination. Hii inanipa mashaka na hizo A7,A3..and G.P.A kubwa kama kweli ni halali..!?

Alexism, you got it! Amenipa wasiwasi jamaa kama hata chuo amefika na hata kama hizo A, 3, na 7 anazo, kwa sababu nahofia hata kuibia angeweza kukosea, labda kama alikopi, maana hawezi kutofautisha kati ya team work, kuiba na kuibia.

Ukabila upo, na sio kwamba ni kwa makabila hayo matatu tu! Mtu anaweza kufanya ukabila hata kama anatoka kabila dogo. Watu wakisema kuna ukabila hawamaanishi kila Mhaya, Mchagga na Mnyakyusa ni mkabila, ila wanaashiria ni kwa kiasi kikubwa, kwani wapo amabao sio wakabila pia.

Hapa siongelei swala la qualifications, naongelea hili: mtu aidha hana vigezo, au au vigezo vyake ni vya chini kuliko vya wengine lakini anapewa nafasi.

Kama wewe, mkeo, watoto wako, mjomba, babu yako, bibi yako, shemeji yako, mkeo mdogo, shangazi, hawara yako, mjomba wako mnafanya kazi ofisi moja lakini mna vigezo vyote vinavyotakiwa na mmepitia hatua zinazotakiwa kupata hizo kazi, mimi wala sina shida na hilo, na wala sitasema nyie ni wakabila.

Ndani ya Tz kila aina ya uchafu unawezekana, wizi, ukabila, ufisadi, unyang'anyi, uporaji, rushwa, utapeli........ and the list goes.

 

[JF2050]

Mi si kati ya hayo makabila yeneye akili Tanzania ila nawaambia hivi wale ambao mmeishiwa confidence kuwa hata mkipata nafasi ya kuwa viongozi watu wenu hamuwajali. Fanyeni uchunguzi hivi mkoa wako una shule ngapi za sekondari kijiji chenu kina wasomi wangapi kijiji chenu kina vipaumbele gani juu ya elimu. Leo hii wanafunzi wa kata yako wanasoma au wanaoana tu na kuvuta bangi. Msilalamike wakati elimu mpaka leo hii mnaipiga teke. Hamuwezi kushindana na hao watu ambao hata leo hii mkipewa pamoja shilingi milioni moja baada ya miaka mitano wewe utakuwa na wake watano na watoto ishirini na mwenzako atakuwa na nyumba tano na magari kibao. U deserve kunyanyapaliwa unless mubadilike. hatuwezi kuwa na jamii amabazo zimeparanganyika hazina misingi ya maendeleo na upendo zinabaki kulalamika kwenye key board. Anayebisha aniambie amesomesha ndugu zake wangapi mpaka anabonyeza kibodi amabo siku moja wataomba kazi huko TRA BOT nk na watapata kwa merit za Competence?

Kwa hiyo wewe unaamini makabila mengine hawajasoma kabisa isipokuwa yale matatu tu? Halafu unaamini kwamba kwingine hakuna shule isipokuwa ni mikoa mitatu tu? Halafu unaamini nyie tu ndio mliosomesha ndugu zenu? Halafu unaamini ni makabila mengine ndio yanayooa wake wengi tu na sio lako, halafu unamaanisha pia makabila yote isipokuwa yale matatu? Halafu unawaambia watu wanabonyeza kibodi hujua mafanikio yao, hujui wamefanya mangapi tena labda kukupita wewe! kwa sababu hata kama wana uwezo hawawezi kusomesha jamii nzima! Halafu hujui kwamba watu wengi toka makabila madogo kama mnavyoyaita wana qualifications za kufanya kazi sio tu BOT na TRA, bali hata kwenye mashirika/makampuni makubwa duniani kama UN, NASA, Google, IMF, World Bank, nk na hizo ajira hawajapata kwa njia za longolongo? Halafu unaamini kila mtu toka makabila hayo matatu amesoma?

Halafu jiulize huo usomi wanautumiaje, kuiendeleza nchi au kuiibia na kuidhulumu?

Kwa mfano Andrew Chenge alisoma Havard (sisemi anatoka hayo makabila), among the most respected universities in the world! Kama scandal zake zile ni za kweli, usomi wake utakuwa unaisadia nchi? Sasa weka wengine wenye scandals toka makabila hayo matatu au kabila lako, namaanisha scandal za wizi, rushwa, ufisadi, uuaji, umalaya nk halafu tuambie jinsi usomi wao unavyochangia kwenye maendeleo ya nchi.

 

[JF2050]

Jamani tusome,hakuna njia za mkato kwenye ajira za kisasa. Mi nipo kabila dogo tu lakini namshukuru Mungu kwamba kichwa changu na vyeti vyangu ndio huwa vinanisaidia kupata ajira sehemu ninazotaka. Sijawahi kuulizwa kabila kwenye interview,huwa sijuani na mkubwa yeyote na kazi huwa napata. Makabila hayo matatu mliyoyataja kweli yapo serious kufuatilia elimu za watoto wao,niliwahi kufanya kazi Mbeya,nilikuwa mpangaji wa mzee mmoja anaitwa Kibona,kuna wakati alikosa ada ya mtoto wake aliekuwa chuo. Aliuza sehemu ya shamba lake ili mtoto akalipe ada!. Kuna makabila kwenye hali hiyo huwa wanamwambia mtoto rudi nyumbani fungua biashara kisha oa mke muanze maisha! Tusiwe waongeaji sana wa tanzania. Jitahdi u meet qualification for the job,the rest will be taken care.

Sio wewe pekee unayetoka kabila dogo ndio umesoma , yapo maelfu ya watu na huenda wanakuzidi kila kitu, kuanzia elimu, utendaji, uwajibikaji na hata mafanikio mengine, lakini hiyo hoja yako haimaanishi kwamba hakuna ukabila!

Ndani ya Tz kila kitu kinawezekana.

 

[Japhet Mosi]

Samvulachole zingatia usemi wa akina Mao Tse Tung an wenzake kuwa "NO RESEARCH NO RIGHT TO TALK". Wachaga; Wahaya na Wanyakyusa wamesoma sana tu ndiyo maana kila mahali wamepata ajira kuliko makabila mengine. Yaani we acha tu. Hata shoe shiners wengi ni wachaga bila kuwasahau mafundi saa pia. Kutembeza bidhaa mkononi wanaongoza wasiosoma yaani chingas, waha etc. Tafadhali chukua tahadhari kubwa sana kabla ya kukurupuka na masuala ya ukabila usije aibika buree ndugu yangu uliyetoka kimasomaso kama msomi kwenye kabila lako.

 

[kimboka one]

jamani tusome na tuweze kutetea taalumu zetu pia tusaidie ndg zetu wasome kwa wng.si kulalama tu huku unachangia harusi na umaarufu baa na ndg yako wanakosa elimu

 

[Zing]

Umesahauu sio ukabila pia kuna

• UJINSIA waajiriwa wengi ni wanaume
  
• UDINI- Probably labda wakiristu ni wengi huko
  
• UUMRI- wengi wenye vyeo ni walio above 50
  

Trabist, genidst, ageist, religionist..... .. endleeeni na ist nyingine


So hope hapo utapata jibu Lisllo la kisiasa. maana ukisema ukabila tu unaweza ukaja na nadharia na longolongo amabyo haitakusaidia kukupta jibu zuri la tatizo hilo kwma wako ni tatuzo. Ukiangali issue issue kwa upana wake nutajua ukweli na nini kifanyike au nini wengine wanatakiwa kufanya.

 

[Kamongo]

Jamani kuhusu ukabila upo sana kuna IDARA kama MAHAKAMA kuna ukabila sana hapa watu wanaothaminiwa ni WAHAYA,sisi wengine ni Third Class human being,ubaguzi si wakificho tumechoka,na waziri wa sheria na katiba analijua hilo

 

[Chimemena]

Na sisg wangoni tumejaa idara gani wajameni..? Naomba mnijuze mwenzenu hata sijui.?

 

[Kamongo]

Jamani kuhusu ukabila upo sana kuna IDARA kama MAHAKAMA kuna ukabila sana hapa watu wanaothaminiwa ni WAHAYA,sisi wengine ni Third Class human being,ubaguzi si wakificho tumechoka,na waziri wa sheria na katiba analijua hilo

poleni sana kuhusu ukabila hapo mahakama,kuna jamaa yangu kanieleza kuwa kuna ukweli,nasikia chief accountant mr Tiibuza anawapendelea WAHAYA tu,pia ni mdhaifu sana kwa wadada

 

[Pelekaroho]

Pamoja na kukubaliana na mwanakijiji naomba niongezee hapohapo, kwamba hata sasa katika madarasa tunayoyasoma utakuta makabila hayo ndo yaliyo na uchungu na shule, kama we ni mwanafunzi au hata uliwahi kupita shule ushindani wa kitaaluma utakuta ni katika makabila yanayotoka kanda ya ziwa, kasikazini na mbeya. Hawa wenzetu wengine, wao cha muhimu ni kumaliza shule suala la (scintillation perffomance) au GPA kubwa kwao ni ya nini? Nimalizie kwa kusema akhsante saana MM kwa kutuka flashback ya "ukabila".

 

[Pelekaroho]

Na sisg wangoni tumejaa idara gani wajameni..? Naomba mnijuze mwenzenu hata sijui.?

Idara ya Elimu (Waalimu), hasa shule ya msingi na sekondari huko utawapata Wangoni wengi saana.

 

[MWANAWAVITTO]

Mlitaka waarabu ndo wakae ikulu au wahindi wajazane TRA. Achen hizo

 

[jmushi1]

Kumbe mswahili was wrong on this...

Mama Mkapa alipokuwa Ikulu alifanya kila linalowezekana kuhakikisha anaingiza wachagga kila kona, na hata deal za rada na ndege ni wafanyabiashara wa kichagga wana mikono yao.