Uranium Mkuju: Serikali imetoa leseni bila kujali madai ya Kodi

Kongosho said:

EMT, leseni isainiwa, mwenye nayo hachukui hadi alipie pango la kiasi kadhaa
Ukisema suala la kodi, naona unaingia katika MDA zaidi, haihusiani na leseni kusainiwa.

Au nakosea?

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Hizo technicalities sizifahamu. Mie nimekufahamisha tuu usije ukashangaa unaletewa notice ya kuondoka kama Wamasai kule Loliondo.

BTW, Mining Weekly reported last month that Uranium One, which is currently in the process of being privatized by its largest shareholder, ARMZ, reported a fourth quarter net loss of $68.8 million after writing down its Mantra Resources investment.

As quoted in the market news: "The uranium miner said it wrote down the value of its investment in Mantra by $102.3-million as a result of delays in the expected initial production, mainly from permitting delays at Mantra's Mkuju River project, increased capital expenditure experienced in the industry, and lower uranium prices led to the write down: http://uraniuminvestingnews.com/14029/uranium-one-reports-68-8m-q4-net-loss.html

Tuko wote hapo kwenye bold?

Hapo kwenye bold ni tatizo sana

Anyway, hata mie si mtaalamu sana, ila sitashangaa kama wamepata hasara.

Bei ya uranium haijakaa vizuri sana tangu yale yaliyotokeaa kule fukushima, ukijumlisha na delays lazima wana kimbembe chao.

Plus technolojia za hayo makitu, recovery haiwezi kuwaa 100%

Bora nimefahamu nihamishe mizinga yangu ya nyuki kabla hawajaja

EMT said:

Hizo technicalities sizifahamu. Mie nimekufahamisha tuu usije ukashangaa unaletewa notice ya kuondoka kama Wamasai kule Loliondo.

BTW, Mining Weekly reported last month that Uranium One, which is currently in the process of being privatized by its largest shareholder, ARMZ, reported a fourth quarter net loss of $68.8 million after writing down its Mantra Resources investment.

As quoted in the market news: “The uranium miner said it wrote down the value of its investment in Mantra by $102.3-million as a result of delays in the expected initial production, mainly from permitting delays at Mantra’s Mkuju River project, increased capital expenditure experienced in the industry, and lower uranium prices led to the write down: Uranium One Reports $68.8M Q4 Net Loss | Uranium Investing News

Tuko wote hapo kwenye bold?

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The Tanzanian Ministry of Energy and Minerals granted its first uranium mining licence to Mantra Tanzania, a subsidiary of Australia-based Mantra Resources, Tanzania's The Citizen reported Tuesday (April 9th).
Mantra Resources is owned by Russian uranium company AtomRedMetZoloto (ARMZ), which will put the operation of the Mkuju River mining site under the control of Canada-based Uranium One, which ARMZ acquired in 2012.
ARMZ and its subsidiaries expect to produce 14,000 tons of uranium annually from the Mkuju River, which has measured resources of 36,000 tonnes of uranium and inferred resources of a further 10,000 tonnes.
The first major uranium mining development in south-eastern Tanzania, Mkuju River is expected to bring Tanzania up to 728 billion shillings ($450 million) in foreign direct investments, 405 billion shillings ($250 million) in foreign currency receipts and create 1,600 jobs.
The site was excised from the Selous Game Reserve last year after receiving approval from the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation.

UraniumOne sahivi wapo wanafanya feasibility study na deposit report review, muda wowote mid of next year wataanza mining construction, Pembeni ya hiyo project ya Mantra kuna tena kampuni nyingine kutoka Russia inaitwa MALASIRI nao muda si mrefu watamaliza stage ya kwanza ya exploration. Unesco nao bado hawajatoa license yao ya kuruhusu uranium inanze kuchimbwa sijajua NEMC yetu nao wapoje katika suala hili. Automatically capital gain tax tushaikosa.

Soma report ya mwaka 2008 ''A Goldern Opportunity; How Tanzania is failing to benefit from Gold mining''. Then hutashangaa hayo ya Uranium....

Ukifika mkuju utatamani kuzimia , hasa ukiangalia hizo siasa zinzvyopigwa na ukweli halisi watu wa maeneo hayo ni masikini wa kutupwa, na hiyo mikataba ni zaidi ya 10% kwa wakubwa wachache, uranium one wako site kitambo sana hata bila serikali kujua.... Nchi hii sijui tumerogwa au ni vipi?? Lakini nahisi hizi rasili mali zitakuja kuleta mauti makubwa badae.

TheOne said:

UraniumOne sahivi wapo wanafanya feasibility study na deposit report review, muda wowote mid of next year wataanza mining construction, Pembeni ya hiyo project ya Mantra kuna tena kampuni nyingine kutoka Russia inaitwa MALASIRI nao muda si mrefu watamaliza stage ya kwanza ya exploration. Unesco nao bado hawajatoa license yao ya kuruhusu uranium inanze kuchimbwa sijajua NEMC yetu nao wapoje katika suala hili. Automatically capital gain tax tushaikosa.

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Sijamwelewa, labda atufafanulie

Kuanza feasibility study ndio nini kwani kuhusiana na capital gain tax?

EMT said:

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Kongosho said:

Sijamwelewa, labda atufafanulie

Kuanza feasibility study ndio nini kwani kuhusiana na capital gain tax?

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EMT said:

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Mkuu feasibility study inayofanyika sasa ni kuhusu deposit iliyopo pale na kuanza kuplan ramani nzima ya uchimbaji wa hiyo uranium. Inapofikia stage hii inatakiwa masuala ya kodi yote yawe yashamalizwa then ndo mambo mengine yaendeleee, Capital gain tax inauhusiano wa moja kwa moja kama ifuatavyo, kipindi wakati inauzwa TRA walipaswa kukusanya kodi yao kama ivyotakikana alafu ile tax compliance certificate ndo ingeruhusu hii stage waliyopo kufanyika.

Nimejaribu kukujibu kawaida sana bila kwenda deep zaidi ili mtu wa kawaida amabaye hayupo kwenye mining field naye aelewe.

Hili suala la extraction of natural resources kwa Tanzania tumeriwahi sana aiseee, hapa ilipaswa itengenezwe timu hata kwa miaka saba ijayo ndo tuanze uchimbaji huo. Sasa tusibirie kwenye kituko cha gesi hapo lazima tukae chini tuu.

TheOne said:

Mkuu feasibility study inayofanyika sasa ni kuhusu deposit iliyopo pale na kuanza kuplan ramani nzima ya uchimbaji wa hiyo uranium. Inapofikia stage hii inatakiwa masuala ya kodi yote yawe yashamalizwa then ndo mambo mengine yaendeleee, Capital gain tax inauhusiano wa moja kwa moja kama ifuatavyo, kipindi wakati inauzwa TRA walipaswa kukusanya kodi yao kama ivyotakikana alafu ile tax compliance certificate ndo ingeruhusu hii stage waliyopo kufanyika.

Nimejaribu kukujibu kawaida sana bila kwenda deep zaidi ili mtu wa kawaida amabaye hayupo kwenye mining field naye aelewe.

Hili suala la extraction of natural resources kwa Tanzania tumeriwahi sana aiseee, hapa ilipaswa itengenezwe timu hata kwa miaka saba ijayo ndo tuanze uchimbaji huo. Sasa tusibirie kwenye kituko cha gesi hapo lazima tukae chini tuu.

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Mmh, feasibility study ni nini?
Inaanza kufanywa wakati gani?

Na je, feasibility study inauhusiano gani na lesenoi ya uchimbaji?

Tukishajua hayo, tunaweza kujua wapi capital gain tax ilitakiwa ilipwe in relation na kusainiwa kwa leseni.

Hapo blue, je unaweza omba leseni ya uchimbaji bila kufanya feasibility study??

Je, Mine plan=feasibility study?
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TheOne said:

Mkuu feasibility study inayofanyika sasa ni kuhusu deposit iliyopo pale na kuanza kuplan ramani nzima ya uchimbaji wa hiyo uranium. Inapofikia stage hii inatakiwa masuala ya kodi yote yawe yashamalizwa then ndo mambo mengine yaendeleee, Capital gain tax inauhusiano wa moja kwa moja kama ifuatavyo, kipindi wakati inauzwa TRA walipaswa kukusanya kodi yao kama ivyotakikana alafu ile tax compliance certificate ndo ingeruhusu hii stage waliyopo kufanyika.

Nimejaribu kukujibu kawaida sana bila kwenda deep zaidi ili mtu wa kawaida amabaye hayupo kwenye mining field naye aelewe.

Hili suala la extraction of natural resources kwa Tanzania tumeriwahi sana aiseee, hapa ilipaswa itengenezwe timu hata kwa miaka saba ijayo ndo tuanze uchimbaji huo. Sasa tusibirie kwenye kituko cha gesi hapo lazima tukae chini tuu.

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kongosho said:

Naomba nikujibu kama ifuatavyo
mmh, feasibility study ni nini?
Inaanza kufanywa wakati gani?

Kila stage in mining industry kunakuwa na upembuzi wake tofauti kabla ya kuianza kulingana na ugumu uliopo pamoja na deposit iliyopo.

Na je, feasibility study inauhusiano gani na lesenoi ya uchimbaji?
Ili upate leseni ya uchimbaji unapaswa uwe ushafanya upembuzi wote katika nyanja zote ikiwemo financial, social and economical point of view vilevile support yako kwa government. Mfano wanaochimba makaa ya mawe sasahivi serikali imeshatoa angalizo kabla ya kupewa leseni ya uchimbaji inapaswa uanishe kwa kiasi gani kampuni yako itasaidia katika grid ta taifa.

Tukishajua hayo, tunaweza kujua wapi capital gain tax ilitakiwa ilipwe in relation na kusainiwa kwa leseni.
Hapa kwenye capital gain tax inalipwa endapo kama kuna transfer of ownership ( yani kampuni kuuzwa kwa kampuni nyingine). Kama hakuna transfer basi hakuna capital gain tax. (mfano mantra resources walitumi usd million 20 katika exploration and other financial charges but wameuza kwa uranium one lile eneo kwa usd miliion 900) automatically wakati ipo katika extension period tra walipaswa kuwa standby kwa lolote litakaloweza tokea hasa kwenye kucapitalize mtaji wao.

Hapo blue, je unaweza omba leseni ya uchimbaji bila kufanya feasibility study??
Huwezi omba leseni ya uchimbaji bila kufanya exploration and feasibility study

je, mine plan=feasibility study?
Mkuu hapo kuna mambo mengi watayozingatia ikiwemo jamii nzima (ndo maana feasibility study itaaply hapo) Huwezi fanya mine plan bila kuwa na feasibilty study itayokava jamii nzima kwa ujumla vilevile availability of materials,workers etc.
Hiyo sasa ndo uranium one wanafanya sasa plus deposit report review.
Cc emt

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Okay, nimeuliza maswali hayo sababu hii ishu ya capital gain tax imeanza baada ya leseni ya uchimbaji
Nilikuwa sioni mantiki ya kusainiwa leseni halafu na kulipa capital gain tax

Kwa hiyo hii iliakiwa ilipwe wakati wana-transfer ownership, na anayelipa ni nani, mnunuzi ama muuzaji?

Feasibility study ambayo serikali ina interest nayo ni ile unayopeleka wakati za kuomba kibali cha uchimbaji, hizo feasibility zingine ni kwa matumizi ya ndani ya kampuni. Utalazimika kurudia feasibility study na kuipeleka serikalini endapo umeamua kubadili vitu fulani fulani kwenye maombi yako ya awali.

Nadhani stage walofikia ni mine plan.

TheOne said:

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Kongosho said:

Okay, nimeuliza maswali hayo sababu hii ishu ya capital gain tax imeanza baada ya leseni ya uchimbaji
Nilikuwa sioni mantiki ya kusainiwa leseni halafu na kulipa capital gain tax

Kwa hiyo hii iliakiwa ilipwe wakati wana-transfer ownership, na anayelipa ni nani, mnunuzi ama muuzaji?

Feasibility study ambayo serikali ina interest nayo ni ile unayopeleka wakati za kuomba kibali cha uchimbaji, hizo feasibility zingine ni kwa matumizi ya ndani ya kampuni. Utalazimika kurudia feasibility study na kuipeleka serikalini endapo umeamua kubadili vitu fulani fulani kwenye maombi yako ya awali.

Nadhani stage walofikia ni mine plan.

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Nashukuru kwa kunielewa.
Anayepaswa kulipa Capital gain tax hapo alikuwa ni Mantra Resources (muuzaji)

Stage waliyofikia inaelekea kwenye mine plan but bado haijafikia mine plan, kuna some technical and social issue bado wanareview na kuzifanyia study upya then ndo waanze mine plan ambayo itasaidia kupata funds either kufloat kwenye SEM (stock exchange market) or investor kuemburse funds ajili ya mine construction.

TheOne said:

Nashukuru kwa kunielewa.
Anayepaswa kulipa Capital gain tax hapo alikuwa ni Mantra Resources (muuzaji)

Stage waliyofikia inaelekea kwenye mine plan but bado haijafikia mine plan, kuna some technical and social issue bado wanareview na kuzifanyia study upya then ndo waanze mine plan ambayo itasaidia kupata funds either kufloat kwenye SEM (stock exchange market) or investor kuemburse funds ajili ya mine construction.

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Kwa hiyo Capital gain Tax haiiusu kabisa Uranium One, kifupi tumeliwa!
Vipi ikiwa Uranium one watauza sehemu ya hisa napo itahitajika walipe Capital gain Tax? na kama wata-float kwenye
hizo Stock exchange market na kuongeza mtaji watapaswa kulipa kodi yeyote kutokana na watakachopata?

Na ni nani (Serikalini) anayemonitor hizo gharama za feasibility study ili kuhakikisha tupo kwenye safe side jamaa
wasiongeze au kupunguza gharama za FS kwa maslahi yao?

Kwenye hayo mauziano huko nje tunajuaje kwa hakika kwamba deal iliyofanyika ni USD 900 na si vinginevyo.
Hivi ilipaswa Mantrac waieleze Serikali kwamba tunataka kuuza mradi huu, ama wajibu wao ni kuitaarifu Serikali
kwamba tumeshauza kwa kiasi hiki?

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platozoom said:

Kwa hiyo Capital gain Tax haiiusu kabisa Uranium One, kifupi tumeliwa!
Vipi ikiwa Uranium one watauza sehemu ya hisa napo itahitajika walipe Capital gain Tax? na kama wata-float kwenye
hizo Stock exchange market na kuongeza mtaji watapaswa kulipa kodi yeyote kutokana na watakachopata?

Kawaida ni kama sheria sometimes, Hapo uranium ONE wakiamua kufloat ili wapate mtaji mkubwa hawapaswi kulipa Capital gain Tax, Hii huwa inalipwa tuu endapo kuna transfer of ownership according to Tanzania mining act.Ila shareholders watalipa kodi za kawaida katika stock market ikitegemea na nchi ilipofanyikia, mara nyingi wanafuata rules za NYSM(New York Stock Market) au ile ya CANADA au ya UK.Huko ndo kuna hela nyingi za watu za pensions.

Na ni nani (Serikalini) anayemonitor hizo gharama za feasibility study ili kuhakikisha tupo kwenye safe side jamaa
wasiongeze au kupunguza gharama za FS kwa maslahi yao?

Kwa hapa Tanzania kuna kitengo maalum pale TRA upande wa Tax audit department ikisaidiana na TMAA, hapo chalii kuna madudu ya hatari yanayofanyika katika kupata FAIR VALUE, for your information sahivi investor wanajisifu Tanzania hakuna jambo linaloshindikana kama ukiwa karibu na politicians. Sasa kwenye auditing hapo ni full politics si mchezo. Tanzania hakuna deal yoyote katika mining itayofanyika bila kigogo yoyote kuwemo anaengineer.

Kwenye hayo mauziano huko nje tunajuaje kwa hakika kwamba deal iliyofanyika ni USD 900 na si vinginevyo.
Hivi ilipaswa Mantrac waieleze Serikali kwamba tunataka kuuza mradi huu, ama wajibu wao ni kuitaarifu Serikali
kwamba tumeshauza kwa kiasi hiki?

Kwenye issue ya FAIR VALUE ya ile PL lipo wazi sana because ile report ya Mantra ndiyo itakayotumika katika SEM ili kupata investors, wenzetu hawachakachuliani mkuu kila kitu kipo public.Ukienda katika stock market hata leo FAIR VALUE ya ile project bado ipo shaka ondoa. Na sasa hivi wanaijua Tanzania zaidi hata ya mimi na wewe tuanvyoijua.

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Mkuu nadhani unaijua TANZANIA MINERAL AUDIT AGENCY.Hii agecy kazi yao ni kukagua hii migodi sasa sijajua kama huwa wanausika tena wakati wa mauziano au transfer ownership kwa mining companies. NIFUATILIE KWENYE BLUE NIMEKUJIBU MASWALI YAKO

TheOne said:

Mkuu nadhani unaijua TANZANIA MINERAL AUDIT AGENCY.Hii agecy kazi yao ni kukagua hii migodi sasa sijajua kama huwa wanausika tena wakati wa mauziano au transfer ownership kwa mining companies. NIFUATILIE KWENYE BLUE NIMEKUJIBU MASWALI YAKO

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Duh! hii hatari. Unaweza kupata mtikisiko wa Ubongo hivihivi!
ila asante kwa Maelezo. Najua na wewe hata kama hupati mgao lakini angalau chengachenga
hazikupiti ati! ninyi ndiyo Wataalam wenyewe lol

platozoom said:

Duh! hii hatari. Unaweza kupata mtikisiko wa Ubongo hivihivi!
ila asante kwa Maelezo. Najua na wewe hata kama hupati mgao lakini angalau chengachenga
hazikupiti ati! ninyi ndiyo Wataalam wenyewe lol

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Hahahahhahahaah, mkuu utanivunja mbavu, me ni mtu wa Finance tuu katika mining industry, hayo nimeyajua kutokana na kupenda kujisomea article mbalimbali sababu nafanya kazi katika hii field ya mining. Sipati hata chengachenga wala vumbivumbi.

Wakimaliza huko wanakuja Dodoma Bahi kuchukua uranium yao watuachia mionzi tu tuteseke nayo!