US agency assigns Tanzania higher credit rating than Kenya

[3rd man]

It is very misleading statement to say that"Tanzania has high illiteracy rate", Tanzania is among the countries in Africa with good literacy rate, the fact that Kenya has slightly high literacy rate compared to Tanzania, doesn't mean that Tanzania has very high illiteracy.
For example, 2012 Tanzania adult literacy was 67.8%, Kenya(2014), adult literacy was 74%
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Back to Magufuli leadership style, it is very dangerous for a leader who has been elected democratically not to follow constitution of the country, it doesn' t matter how good the leader is. People decided to lay down laws and regulations which stipulate how they want to live and be governed, then they gave these laws and regulations to one person whom they have entrusted to guide him/her, then out of the blue, the person decides to choose which ones out of those laws to abide with and which ones to neglect, that is wrong and unacceptable.

Africans don't need democracy,in fact it's dangerous for us.

 

[gambagumu]

Ahaaa haaa haaa
Bravo Tanzania
Bravo my President
Bravo my country

negative outook must be attributed to his majest the King, poor investment policy management.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

It is very misleading statement to say that"Tanzania has high illiteracy rate", Tanzania is among the countries in Africa with good literacy rate, the fact that Kenya has slightly high literacy rate compared to Tanzania, doesn't mean that Tanzania has very high illiteracy.
For example, 2012 Tanzania adult literacy was 67.8%, Kenya(2014), adult literacy was 74%
Statistics

Back to Magufuli leadership style, it is very dangerous for a leader who has been elected democratically not to follow constitution of the country, it doesn' t matter how good the leader is. People decided to lay down laws and regulations which stipulate how they want to live and be governed, then they gave these laws and regulations to one person whom they have entrusted to guide him/her, then out of the blue, the person decides to choose which ones out of those laws to abide with and which ones to neglect, that is wrong and unacceptable.

I dont mean that Tanzanians are Illitrate in the plain understanding,They know how to read and write many of them actually more than 85%. What I mean is fiscal and economic literacy. Less than 10% can be able to understand or even give sound advice to the Gvt on economy and fiscal policy, they need to be guided by those who know and are in government. It is said that the biggest argument aganist democracy is a five minute talk with the avarage voter..If today you go to Dar fish market and ask a trader there for advice on how BoT should manage its monetary policy you will be met with blank faces

 

[joto la jiwe]

I dont mean that Tanzanians are Illitrate in the plain understanding,They know how to read and write many of them actually more than 85%. What I mean is fiscal and economic literacy. Less than 10% can be able to understand or even give sound advice to the Gvt on economy and fiscal policy, they need to be guided by those who know and are in government. It is said that the biggest argument aganist democracy is a five minute talk with the avarage voter..If today you go to Dar fish market and ask a trader there for advice on how BoT should manage its monetary policy you will be met with blank faces

It is very simple and easy, if Magufuli thinks that there is no need for political parties other than CCM, Tanzania constitution has said black and white that he/ GoT should forward the motion to the parliament, and because CCM has majority in the house, the motion will easly pass, then no body will complain if he will ban other political leaders from addressing people, because by so doing will be legal and within our laws.

But by prohibiting other political parties from conducting their political activities freely as allowed by constitution, is violation of our constitution and international obligations which as a country(not Magufuli), we signed and agreed to abide to.

 

[Tony254]

It is very simple and easy, if Magufuli thinks that there is no need for political parties other than CCM, Tanzania constitution has said black and white that he/ GoT should forward the motion to the parliament, and because CCM has majority in the house, the motion will easly pass, then no body will complain if he will ban other political leaders from addressing people, because by so doing will be legal and within our laws.

But by prohibiting other political parties from conducting their political activities freely as allowed by constitution, is violation of our constitution and international obligations which as a country(not Magufuli), we signed and agreed to abide to.

I agree with you. Leo unaongea sense

 

[Tony254]

I dont mean that Tanzanians are Illitrate in the plain understanding,They know how to read and write many of them actually more than 85%. What I mean is fiscal and economic literacy. Less than 10% can be able to understand or even give sound advice to the Gvt on economy and fiscal policy, they need to be guided by those who know and are in government. It is said that the biggest argument aganist democracy is a five minute talk with the avarage voter..If today you go to Dar fish market and ask a trader there for advice on how BoT should manage its monetary policy you will be met with blank faces

Economics is a difficult field for many people. I doubt kama mtu mwenye hajakaa darasani miaka minne university kusoma economics anaeza ielewa vizuri. Maybe juu juu tu. That is my opinion (not a fact).

 

[joto la jiwe]

I agree with you. Leo unaongea sense

It is sense because is against Magufuli(enemy), but the same statements if I direct to Uhuru Kenyatta, are nonsense[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

 

[joto la jiwe]

I agree with you. Leo unaongea sense

It is sense because is against Magufuli(enemy), but the same statements if I direct to Uhuru Kenyatta, are becoming nonsense[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

It is very simple and easy, if Magufuli thinks that there is no need for political parties other than CCM, Tanzania constitution has said black and white that he/ GoT should forward the motion to the parliament, and because CCM has majority in the house, the motion will easly pass, then no body will complain if he will ban other political leaders from addressing people, because by so doing will be legal and within our laws.

But by prohibiting other political parties from conducting their political activities freely as allowed by constitution, is violation of our constitution and international obligations which as a country(not Magufuli), we signed and agreed to abide to.

I think JPM is doing 90- 95% correct things in his government, The remaining 10% is forgivable, and mostly its from his personal character because of his childhood and upbringing.
Be thankful for what you have as a president, or we can exchange and you have tribalist Uhuru for one day.

 

[Iconoclastes]

Africans don't need democracy,in fact it's dangerous for us.

Let me assume that this is nothing but sarcasm....

Democracy in Africa hasnt worked bcos it has not been entirely and effectively applied in the first place. It has not been given a chance.
What we have in much of Africa is a very diluted form of democracy- it shouldnt even be described as such. Some call it a "demo- crazy".

All the other methods of governance have been proven a failure not just in Africa. If democracy in its purest form has managed to work in other places, why not in Africa? How and why is it dangerous for Africa?
Such arguments really appall and insense me.

Just bcos u are a 3rd man, doesnt mean u shld be '3rd world' minded as well.

 

[Mwanzi1]

I have never known why TZ can complain about JPM.. He is single handly killing corruption, building infrastructure and promoting industrialisation. and at the same time avoiding selling tanzania to chinese and european bankers. TZ has high illitracy levels and letting illitrate people to talk as they wish on public podiums is counterproductive. Good thing is that JPM is embarking on quality education, and soon everyone will be knowledgable enough to be allowed to speak sensibly without spewing ignorance on the public podiums. Even europe had limited freedom of expression untill everyone got enough sense to be allowed to criticaly debate the governments work

Ahaaaa kumbe na wewe umeona njia anayopitia JPM eh? How I wish we could hire you to teach our young lads the true meaning of freedom of expression. Sometimes I look at our young people the way passionate they are about politics to extent of forgetting their social responsibility of protecting the social fabric rather than tearing apart. Even the high ranking politicians they're forgetting that the future of these young lads is in their hands. The point you made about freedom of expression in developed world was very important, democracy in many Sub Sahara countries was lump to upon us without duly preparation. We didn't prepare our leaders nor our votes, everyone thinks they can stand on podium and yap what they want and take government subsidies. We need to learn a vital lesson from developed democracies, they know the time to laugh, time to joke and time to be serious. When they introduce democracy they left this part behind for themselves and let us rotten in unwanted conflicts.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Let me assume that this is nothing but sarcasm....

Democracy in Africa hasnt worked bcos it has not been entirely and effectively applied in the first place. It has not been given a chance.
What we have in much of Africa is a very diluted form of democracy- it shouldnt even be described as such. Some call it a "demo- crazy".

All the other methods of governance have been proven a failure not just in Africa. If democracy in its purest form has managed to work in other places, why not in Africa? How and why is it dangerous for Africa?
Such arguments really appall and insense me.

Just bcos u are a 3rd man, doesnt mean u shld be '3rd world' minded as well.

I'm sorry but I think we went and pick the ripe apple known as mature democracy from our people who've spent a good 300 years perfecting their system and think that it will just magically work on us. Africa is a society of hierarchy, chief, chief’s wife, subjects. Or dad, mum and children. In the democracy there is no space of hierarchy, democracy is about majority wins. We need to either chose to abandon the system of hierarchy or try to find the way to combine all together or wait until one of them die on natural cause.

 

[Iconoclastes]

I'm sorry but I think we went and pick the ripe apple known as mature democracy from our people who've spent a good 300 years perfecting their system and think that it will just magically work on us. Africa is a society of hierarchy, chief, chief’s wife, subjects. Or dad, mum and children. In the democracy there is no space of hierarchy, democracy is about majority wins. We need to either chose to abandon the system of hierarchy or try to find the way to combine all together or wait until one of them die on natural cause.

Democracy, which took Europe 300 yrs to develop, has been succesfully replicated in many other far away lands which hitherto had governance systems quite similar to those found in Africa of the old.

That it would have to take Africa 300 yrs to practice the true and progresseive democracy as practiced in the west is arrant nonsense.

 

[REDEEMER.]

It is very simple and easy, if Magufuli thinks that there is no need for political parties other than CCM, Tanzania constitution has said black and white that he/ GoT should forward the motion to the parliament, and because CCM has majority in the house, the motion will easly pass, then no body will complain if he will ban other political leaders from addressing people, because by so doing will be legal and within our laws.

But by prohibiting other political parties from conducting their political activities freely as allowed by constitution, is violation of our constitution and international obligations which as a country(not Magufuli), we signed and agreed to abide to.

What you want is to see some political rallies and demonstrations like while election period? Nope now is time for working what JPM bun is random demonstrations people have to work in Kikwete regime we witnessed a lot of political demonstrations which brought so painful chaos in the community

We saw Arusha killings, Iringa killings, Morogoro killings and tens of demonstrators left disabled and many jailed, what development gained after all these???

JPM is so clever to stop all the chances for all these chaos and brutal deeds to not appear anymore he stopped the main source, bun demonstrations but people don't reasoning that the little example was recently killing of a student due to unlawful demonstration organised by chadema.

We can't entertain nonsense everyone has the right to speak and freedom of expression including to criticize the Government on all sorts you think they are going viral, thanks to JPM that chance he keeps defending and let people talk whatever they want without problems and MPs are allowed to organize their rallies into their constituencies which is absolutely necessary and good for democracy sake

Africa needs to develop its own democracy catalogue, Africans we have a lot of issues to tackle and to invest all of our lives in instead of tailing this westernized democracy which they saw it preferable after they got fully developed

Sadly is the fact Africa we want to make demonstrations everyday while most of us don't know where the next meal is located we want to shift our bedrooms to the streets because government bun a certain lawfully convicted newspaper, really? Is that all we need to get better from our common challenges as a nation?

I will join life demonstrations to some countries like Congo, Somalia, and Co for the the real sense changes but not this of Tanzania people want to demonstrate because of Makonda, newspapers

We have a long way to go especially with this western toys I think we have to get more time to reconsider them

 

[Mwanzi1]

Democracy, which took Europe 300 yrs to develop, has been succesfully replicated in many other far away lands which hitherto had governance systems quite similar to those found in Africa of the old.

That it would have to take Africa 300 yrs to practice the true and progresseive democracy as practiced in the west is arrant nonsense.

Maybe you didn't understood my comment, western countries they spend 300yrs perfection their democracy to work with their needs. We in Africa on the other hand we went and copied everything to the T thinking if it work for them it will work for us. I will challenge you to name the few countries who have replicated western democracy and perfected it in the space of 50yrs without alter it to fit into their society. The same thing was done to western Christianity, Africans they went and took as it is word by word together with white blond hair Jesus no questions asked.

 

[joto la jiwe]

I think JPM is doing 90- 95% correct things in his government, The remaining 10% is forgivable, and mostly its from his personal character because of his childhood and upbringing.
Be thankful for what you have as a president, or we can exchange and you have tribalist Uhuru for one day.

I agree with you 95%, as I do agree with Magufuli for 95% too, but that should not be the reason for not speak out when he is doing something wrong, especially when it involves killings and kidnappings.

 

[REDEEMER.]

Maybe you didn't understood my comment, western countries they spend 300yrs perfection their democracy to work with their needs. We in Africa on the other hand we went and copied everything to the T thinking if it work for them it will work for us. I will challenge you to name the few countries who have replicated western democracy and perfected it in the space of 50yrs without alter it to fit into their society. The same thing was done to western Christianity, Africans they went and took as it is word by word together with white blond hair Jesus no questions asked.

Julius Nyerere quotes - Democracy is not a bottle of Coca-Cola which you can import. Democracy should develop according to that particular country.

This quote speaks so many things if you will take your time to digest it, the problem is like we have shifted from stone tablets as the means of writing to the Ipad tablets in a one second transition, it will probably not work as many expect to see.

Not because we differ from duration but even culture and challenges, Western culture and challenges are not the same as Africa's,

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

I agree with you 95%, as I do agree with Magufuli for 95% too, but that should not be the reason for not speak out when he is doing something wrong, especially when it involves killings and kidnappings.

I dont think JPM asks for people to be killed or kidnapped. Within CCM, there are "extremist".. yaani wafuasi wa ccm ambao wana itikadi kali ya kisiasa. wakiskia JPM akitamka maneno kwa msimamo sugu, wanakimbia kuchukua mapanga na kuwakatakata wapinzani.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Julius Nyerere quotes - Democracy is not a bottle of Coca-Cola which you can import. Democracy should develop according to that particular country.

This quote speaks so many things if you will take your time to digest it, the problem is like we have shifted from stone tablets as the means of writing to the Ipad tablets in a one second transition, it will probably not work as many expect to see.

Not because we differ from duration but even culture and challenges, Western culture and challenges are not the same as Africa's,

Very right, we failed to nurture our own democracy from the grassroots. We end up importing just like Nyerere said "a bottle of Coca-Cola".

 

[joto la jiwe]

I dont think JPM asks for people to be killed or kidnapped. Within CCM, there are "extremist".. yaani wafuasi wa ccm ambao wana itikadi kali ya kisiasa. wakiskia JPM akitamka maneno kwa msimamo sugu, wanakimbia kuchukua mapanga na kuwakatakata wapinzani.

Kwanza nikuhakikishie kwamba kati ya watu waliouliwa kwa mapanga, serikali kamwe haihusiki, kule Morogoro ni ugomvi unaohusisha ardhi, wala hakuna siasa kule, hapa Dar ni kati ya wanachama wa CCM wenyewe, diyo sababu wamekamatwa.

Lakini kupigwa risasi kwa Lissu, kutekwa kwa Ben Sanane, kutekwa kwa mwandishi wa habari Azvory, wote hao ni serikali inahusika kwa 99%, kwa maana hiyo rais wa nchi kwasababu ndiye amiri jeshi mkuu wa vyombo vya ulinzi na usalama, lazima unahusika.