US agency assigns Tanzania higher credit rating than Kenya

[joto la jiwe]

What you want is to see some political rallies and demonstrations like while election period? Nope now is time for working what JPM bun is random demonstrations people have to work in Kikwete regime we witnessed a lot of political demonstrations which brought so painful chaos in the community

We saw Arusha killings, Iringa killings, Morogoro killings and tens of demonstrators left disabled and many jailed, what development gained after all these???

JPM is so clever to stop all the chances for all these chaos and brutal deeds to not appear anymore he stopped the main source, bun demonstrations but people don't reasoning that the little example was recently killing of a student due to unlawful demonstration organised by chadema.

We can't entertain nonsense everyone has the right to speak and freedom of expression including to criticize the Government on all sorts you think they are going viral, thanks to JPM that chance he keeps defending and let people talk whatever they want without problems and MPs are allowed to organize their rallies into their constituencies which is absolutely necessary and good for democracy sake

Africa needs to develop its own democracy catalogue, Africans we have a lot of issues to tackle and to invest all of our lives in instead of tailing this westernized democracy which they saw it preferable after they got fully developed

Sadly is the fact Africa we want to make demonstrations everyday while most of us don't know where the next meal is located we want to shift our bedrooms to the streets because government bun a certain lawfully convicted newspaper, really? Is that all we need to get better from our common challenges as a nation?

I will join life demonstrations to some countries like Congo, Somalia, and Co for the the real sense changes but not this of Tanzania people want to demonstrate because of Makonda, newspapers

We have a long way to go especially with this western toys I think we have to get more time to reconsider them

Ukitaka kupima discipline ya mtu, jamii, au nchi yoyote ile, angalia ni kwa kiasi gani mtu au nchi husika inavyofuatilia na kutekeleza maamuzi waliojiwekea. Hizi katiba za nchi zetu tulizitinga wenyewe, na hata zile tulizorithi toka kwa wakolono, tuliziridhia wenyewe, hatukulazimishwa na wazungu, ni ajabu sana kuona jambo tulilojiwekea wenyewe kuwa ni kikwazo kwetu sisi tuliojiwekea.

Mimi pia sipendi maandamano yasiyokuwa na maana ya hawa wapinzani, lakini katiba yetu tulioitunga sisi wenyewe inasemaje?, kama katiba inaruhusu, hilo ndilo tulilolikubali, asitokee mtu au kikundi cha watu wakasema vinginevyo, huyo atakuwa anakwenda kinyume na makubaliano.

Katiba sio vitabu vya dini ambavyo haviwezi kubadilishwa, kama tunahisi maandamano na mikutano ya hadhara inaturudisha nyuma au kutuchelewesha kufikisha SGR Kigali, basi tujenge hoja ili tuyafute kisheria kabisa, sio kwa kutumia mabavu. Nchi zinaongozwa na watu, lakini hao watu wanaongozwa na sheria, haiwezikani mtu akiona kitu fulani kina mkera hakipendi, kesho inakipiga marufuku. Watu wanataka wawe wanajua nini kitatokea kesho na keshokutwa kwasababu wamekiweka katika katiba.

 

[Tony254]

It is sense because is against Magufuli(enemy), but the same statements if I direct to Uhuru Kenyatta, are becoming nonsense[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

Hapana. Ni sense kwa sababu ni sense. Watu wachache sana hii dunia wana ujasiri wa kusema ukweli hata ikiwa watapoteza maisha yao. Kama unapenda kusoma unaeza soma Jan Hus na Martin Luther. Hawa watu walipinga mafundisho fulani ya pope na wakajipata pabaya. Jan Hus alichomwa moto na kufa. Lakini napenda jinsi alipewa nafasi ya kuokoa maisha yake kama angekubali mafundisho ya pope bali akachagua kifo kuliko kukubali mafundisho ambayo hakubaliani nayo.

 

[Iconoclastes]

Maybe you didn't understood my comment, western countries they spend 300yrs perfection their democracy to work with their needs. We in Africa on the other hand we went and copied everything to the T thinking if it work for them it will work for us. I will challenge you to name the few countries who have replicated western democracy and perfected it in the space of 50yrs without alter it to fit into their society. The same thing was done to western Christianity, Africans they went and took as it is word by word together with white blond hair Jesus no questions asked.

What is democracy? What are the tenets of democracy? I had no idea that democracy can be altered into different forms and flavors to "to fit into society".

The basic principles of democracy are unalterable. It is that tempering with those principles of democracy ostensibly to make it 'fit iinto the needs of a society' that have done violence to its operations.

I can point to many countries around the world that have succeeded with the democracy as practiced in the Western world. Tell me what much has African countries attained with their flawed and foul versions of Democracy?

 

[Mwanzi1]

What is democracy? What are the tenets of democracy? I had no idea that democracy can be altered into different forms and flavors to "to fit into society".

The basic principles of democracy are unalterable. It is that tempering with those principles of democracy ostensibly to make it 'fit iinto the needs of a society' that have done violence to its operations.

I can point to many countries around the world that have succeeded with the democracy as practiced in the Western world. Tell me what much has African countries attained with their flawed and foul versions of Democracy?

Democracy is the will of the people, but how you come to gathered that will of the people is up to particular country or society. There is no such a thing as one fit all in democracy, the system has to come within the society.

British democracy is different to American democracy because British democracy is incorporated with church of England meaning some church clergy are automatically appointed into upper house and they have a say in politics. India used to struggle with caste politics in there democracy because of formation of Indian country. Believe it or not China has eight “legal” political parties and they're exercising their democratic right in China. There so many examples on democracy which work of particular place or group, from Myanmar to Japan, from South Africa to Brazil.

When it come to principle of democracy, here is where things get shoddy from place to place, if one country chooses to have no presidential term limit supported by the majority of people, another democratic country will say that is undemocratic. Good example is Gaza Palestine, were Hamas won 2007 election by landslide, we all know the backslash on that victory.

 

[Iconoclastes]

Democracy is the will of the people, but how you come to gathered that will of the people is up to particular country or society. There is no such a thing as one fit all in democracy, the system has to come within the society.

British democracy is different to American democracy because British democracy is incorporated with church of England meaning some church clergy are automatically appointed into upper house and they have a say in politics. India used to struggle with caste politics in there democracy because of formation of Indian country. Believe it or not China has eight “legal” political parties and they're exercising their democratic right in China. There so many examples on democracy which work of particular place or group, from Myanmar to Japan, from South Africa to Brazil.

When it come to principle of democracy, here is where things get shoddy from place to place, if one country chooses to have no presidential term limit supported by the majority of people, another democratic country will say that is undemocratic. Good example is Gaza Palestine, were Hamas won 2007 election by landslide, we all know the backslash on that victory.

You are confusing political systems with democracy. The ideals of democracy are universal. Countries get to choose what political systems suits their needs and circumstances.

The democracy in Britain has the same thing in common with the democracy in the US, France, Germany, Australia, Botswana, Japan etc.
How those great democratic countries are administered may be different, but the bottomline is that their democratic ideals are very similar.

 

[Mwanzi1]

You are confusing political systems with democracy. The ideals of democracy are universal. Countries get to choose what political systems suits their needs and circumstances.

The democracy in Britain has the same thing in common with the democracy in the US, France, Germany, Australia, Botswana, Japan etc.
How those great democratic countries are administered may be different, but the bottomline is that their democratic ideals are very similar.

It’s kind of blunt way of putting it “democratic ideals are very similar”, I'm not sure what you meant democratic ideas. Let me tell you this, once upon a time there was unofficial new world order known as east vs west. Countries which took legion to US were known as the WEST and others took legion to USSR were known as the EAST. The countries which chose US shared their secrets, trade, defence, culture, research, education, even people to people contact was simplified. African was not part of those settings, but Africa was used as playing ground for those two large groups. What happen in Africa then, is what is happening in middle east today.

So, from the outside you might think their achievement is the direct result of their democracy. Well…. you're wrong, their achievement came from the huge investment they made in science and technology, it came from opening up trade among themselves something which Africa has failed to archive. None of their achievement came from politics, China today is investing more money in R&D only second to US and the results are there for all of us to see. My point here is, we can't be lazy enough to think that western style democracy will solve our problems. The rise of far right movement in western world is a clear indication that those democracies are failing. They are failing in safeguard human rights, failing in trade (protectionism is name of the game), security hasn't been this low, future is full of uncertainty.

We need to clear some obstacles in our political system or so called democracy, we need to do away with tribalism, regionalism, regionalism, gender, favouritism, corruption and many more. We need to educate our people to be aware of their democratic rights, and we need to reduce voices in our political system, some leaders can be elected with council of leaders or elders. System has to be transparent just like the high courts do with high profile cases you where number of judges determines the outcome of the case but their judgement is laid bare for everyone to see. We need a simplified mechanism of changing the leader who did not meet people expectation, we need to unite and speak with one voice in times of crisis, and on top of that, we need to increase level security to protect our democracy from the outside influence.

 

[eliakeem]

For this rating, we can borrow for a modest price. Also the investors will be confident.

 

[Iconoclastes]

We need to clear some obstacles in our political system or so called democracy, we need to do away with tribalism, regionalism, regionalism, gender, favouritism, corruption and many more. We need to educate our people to be aware of their democratic rights, and we need to reduce voices in our political system, some leaders can be elected with council of leaders or elders. System has to be transparent just like the high courts do with high profile cases you where number of judges determines the outcome of the case but their judgement is laid bare for everyone to see. We need a simplified mechanism of changing the leader who did not meet people expectation, we need to unite and speak with one voice in times of crisis, and on top of that, we need to increase level security to protect our democracy from the outside influence.

Exactly what I meant by African democracies being 'diluted', 'flawed' and 'foul'.
We are both in the same page here that African countries need to improve in terms of democratic governance. It really doesnt have to take 300yrs for us to get it right.

It is exactly bcos of our numerous ethnic groups, religions and divergent cultures that Africa should persue the Western style democracy which emphasizes on equality, strong governance institutions, freedom and justice etc.

I get it. Democracy is not perfect, it will not settle all our problems. But there is a greater guarantee that with democracy, if we get it right, it will help solidify our societies. Democratic societies tend to thrive better than the oppressive ones.