US restates stance on Uhuru and Ruto

[Dhuks]

I'm wondering what you mean by the above question yet this something that has been spoken of ever since
day one (when the envelope was made public). The ramifications of ICC inductees being elected into office
has been a question Kenyans have asked and that is why their is a case in court about this matter which
will be adjudicated this coming week. These so called friends of Kenya are simply making it known what their
is and has always been.

I don't see how 'ground shifting' comes into play here.

No need to elaborate, you may be right and i may also be right but time will tell.

 

[Kabaridi]

I hear thee my comrade Kabaridi,...heshima narudisha kwako mkuu mwenzangu.

...Now that is a slippery slope you are asking me to navigate because to an extent in borders on gagging/censoring.

...most of the time in such matters if you don't like what an individual is posting wewe lenga tu otherwise
mtavutana mashati mpaka asubuhi ukimwambia mtu they can post A but cant post B.

Shukran.

We do need to minimize as much as possible what is likely to be a potential political marketing type of forumming for candidates or impreciseness, where intelligentsia from Ug TZ or kenya stubbornly post articles without giving away any meat for analysis. It will also minimize an accumulation of "goat-fights" in the forums lol like those we were witnessing routinely at the international forum. The Kenyan forum has been quite accommodating until very recently. Those that support Peter Kenneth martha Karua ole kiyapi ........should be encouraged to post the articles of the same candidates.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Kabaridi,

TNA chaps were quick to 'congratulate' President Obama after his speech to Kenyans and then the
next day when Johnnie Carson 'clarified' the US stand on matters ICC all hell broke lose. Now we see
this:

[h=1]Kenyan envoy denies influence peddling allegations[/h]Las Vegas; Nevada: Kenyan ambassador to the US on Saturday denied allegations by The National Alliance (TNA) that he met with Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs at the Kenyan embassy in Washington, DC on Tuesday to discuss a US statement delivered on Thursday that was regarded as being critical of TNA's presidential candidate.

Standard Digital News - Kenya : Kenyan envoy denies influence peddling allegations

Why the blame game from the TNA side...going as far as saying Odembo is a Raila sympathizer?

 

[mfianchi]

Acha tushuhudie jinsi uchumi wao utakavyoporomoka kwa kuendekeza ukabila wao!

Umeona eh,huko Zimbabwe wanaoathirika ni wananchi na si Uncle Bob na watu wake,huku tutazidi kununua maziwa ya Brookside na Tuzo,shauri itakuwa kwenyu Uhuru &Co shughuli itaendele tu na watakaopata shida ni akina wanjuki & co ambao ndio wengi,mtakosa hata daftari za shule kwa wanenu kisa mambo ya binafsi ya watu wawili wasio na shida

 

[Kabaridi]

Kabaridi,

TNA chaps were quick to 'congratulate' President Obama after his speech to Kenyans and then the
next day when Johnnie Carson 'clarified' the US stand on matters ICC all hell broke lose. Now we see
this:

Kenyan envoy denies influence peddling allegations

Las Vegas; Nevada: Kenyan ambassador to the US on Saturday denied allegations by The National Alliance (TNA) that he met with Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs at the Kenyan embassy in Washington, DC on Tuesday to discuss a US statement delivered on Thursday that was regarded as being critical of TNA's presidential candidate.

Standard Digital News - Kenya : Kenyan envoy denies influence peddling allegations

Why the blame game from the TNA side...going as far as saying Odembo is a Raila sympathizer?

As I see it the televised statement from Obama was a plain decoy. The USA has every interest in the kenyan election and more specifically a preferred candidate! Isn't common sense common enough to suggest that what a head-of-state says is the official position or final decree of the nation he is representing.

In a conference call with reporters, Mr Carson repeatedly said that Kenyan voters should be ready to face the consequences of their choice come election day.

carson seems to be overwhelmed and is unsure whether their candidate will win the election, hence such statements za kutia wakenya tumbo joto!

Election has become a dictatorial issue with western governments and not something that the local people are left to exercise on their own.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

As I see it the televised statement from Obama was a plain decoy. The USA has every interest in the kenyan election and more specifically a preferred candidate! Isn't common sense common enough to suggest that what a head-of-state says is the official position or final decree of the nation he is representing.


carson seems to be overwhelmed and is unsure whether their candidate will win the election, hence such statements za kutia wakenya tumbo joto!

Election has become a dictatorial issue with western governments and not something that the local people are left to exercise on their own.

You always give me something to say with your unsubstantiated claims.

First off, give me an example of a country that the west has dictated to about an election...and I
mean successfully.

Second, the US has not dictated to Kenyans on who to vote for. Obama said it clearly that Kenyans
will choose their own leader. What Johnny Carson said is not new. All this harping going on as if this is
use to the ICC suspects baffles me. I was giving an analogy from religion about the gift of living for the
good book says in Deut 30:19 "Choose life so that you and your children may live." Yet in the same book
we are told that "the wages of sin is death". Both these are scenarios where you are being told what to
do and the same time being warned of the dire consequences of making a wrong choice. I am waiting to
hear somebody call the man upstairs based on that.

I beseech thee to take a step back and look at yourself in the mirror (all Kenyans) and start taking
responsibility for the quagmire that bedevils you. Looking for scapegoats and excuseS will not suffice.
Oooh mara sijui the west this, the west that....No one wants to ask themselves how did we get to
this point? The guys from Den Hague (read Ocampo) didn't come calling...KENYANS TOOK THEMSELVES
THERE.

Down memory lane in 2009 we had this..... Ruto: Why I prefer The Hague route - News - nation.co.ke

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Umeona eh,huko Zimbabwe wanaoathirika ni wananchi na si Uncle Bob na watu wake,huku tutazidi kununua maziwa ya Brookside na Tuzo,shauri itakuwa kwenyu Uhuru &Co shughuli itaendele tu na watakaopata shida ni akina wanjuki & co ambao ndio wengi,mtakosa hata daftari za shule kwa wanenu kisa mambo ya binafsi ya watu wawili wasio na shida

Shughuli ndo hii....

 

[Kabaridi]

You always give me something to say with your unsubstantiated claims.

First off, give me an example of a country that the west has dictated to about an election...and I
mean successfully.

Second, the US has not dictated to Kenyans on who to vote for. Obama said it clearly that Kenyans
will choose their own leader. What Johnny Carson said is not new. All this harping going on as if this is
use to the ICC suspects baffles me. I was giving an analogy from religion about the gift of living for the
good book says in Deut 30:19 "Choose life so that you and your children may live." Yet in the same book
we are told that "the wages of sin is death". Both these are scenarios where you are being told what to
do and the same time being warned of the dire consequences of making a wrong choice. I am waiting to
hear somebody call the man upstairs based on that.

I beseech thee to take a step back and look at yourself in the mirror (all Kenyans) and start taking
responsibility for the quagmire that bedevils you. Looking for scapegoats and excuseS will not suffice.
Oooh mara sijui the west this, the west that....No one wants to ask themselves how did we get to
this point? The guys from Den Hague (read Ocampo) didn't come calling...KENYANS TOOK THEMSELVES
THERE.

Down memory lane in 2009 we had this..... Ruto: Why I prefer The Hague route - News - nation.co.ke

Yeah exactly mwenzangu nakuenzi sana but if we are to go biblical then do not bring me an old judaic order of deutronomy...we are at a new dispensation of grace not the law of moses.." and Jesus said "the law and the prophets was until john the baptist " The good book also says that in the new dispensation the sons shall not be condemned for the sin of their fathers no more".

I am not interested in trying to speak or defend uhuruto, They might go to ICC or wherever to answer for crimes against humanity, what I am not interested in is politician beguiling the general public by their mere fact that little information that touches them is in the public domain.

PS accept my humble gift a piece from the grace covenant

 

[Geza Ulole]

Bush envoy denounces Carson on Kenya poll

By KEVIN J KELLEY ( email the author)

Posted Thursday, February 21 2013 at 00:30

In Summary

• Ms Frazer said the US has consistently maintained contact with Sudan President Omar al Bashir since his indictment by the ICC in 2008 on charges of war crimes.

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New York

The woman who held the State Department's top Africa post prior to Ambassador Johnnie Carson denounced on Wednesday his recent warning to Kenyan voters of possible "consequences" stemming from their choice of president in the March 4 election.

"I am troubled by Johnnie Carson's statement that is essentially meddling in Kenya's election," declared Jendayi Frazer, who served as the Bush administration's assistant secretary of state for African affairs from 2005 to 2009.

"It is very reckless and irresponsible, given that the election is very close, for us to try to intervene in Kenya's election decision," Ms Fraser added.

"We should not be threatening Kenyans about their choice by pointing to an ICC case that is not proven."

"I think the ICC case against Uhuru Kenyatta is a weak one based on hearsay," Ms Fraser added.

Speaking at a Washington think tank forum on Kenya's election, Ms Frazer questioned the ICC's legitimacy, saying the court is "a very manipulated institution, particularly by the West."

Asked at the forum how she would respond to a Kenyatta victory if she were still a senior State Department official, Ms Frazer replied that the US government "should continue to work with the Kenyan government until the point somebody is tried and convicted."

"I would be very pragmatic," she said, noting that the United States is not a signatory to the treaty that established the International Criminal Court.

Ms Frazer added that the US has consistently maintained contact with Sudan President Omar al Bashir since his indictment by the ICC in 2008 on charges of war crimes.

"Even if the Kenyan people vote for Uhuru to be president, I'm positive the US administration will deal with him," Ms Frazer said. She noted in this context that Secretary of State John Kerry had engaged in diplomacy with Sudan's leadership as an emissary of President Obama.

The former assistant secretary of state expressed optimism that widespread violence will be avoided in the coming election.

Ms Frazer, who now serves as distinguished service professor at Carnegie Mellon University in the US, cited Kenya's new Constitution, the country's more independent judiciary and the comparative credibility of its new elections commission as key factors that will help produce a peaceful outcome.

In addition, Kenya's strong civil society "is not going to allow politicians to mobilise violence" in 2013, she said.
Bush envoy denounces Carson on Kenya poll - CAMPAIGN NEWS - elections.nation.co.ke

MY TAKE
Pretty possible she is in one of those lobby groups like the Whitaker et al...Kenyattah money at work