Utamu wa Siasa za Kenya: The Intrigues of Political Alliances and Coalitions.

[Ab-Titchaz]

Kenyan politics may depict a swift turn towards presidential race if Rutto joins Raila and form the 'Double R' team. I'm eyeing such coalition in a very near future!

William Ruto remains a suspect indicted by the ICC and he remains so until he answers to the charges.

Raila Odinga has no business aligning himself with such a man of questionable character who is currently
in a dalliance with his fellow suspect Uhuru Kenyatta to hoodwink Kenyans that they are the only
people capable of being president of Kenya.

 

[Bamzi]

Rutto is too selfish

Raila is too selfish rather.

 

[Crucial Man]

All the presidential aspirants are ganging up agains Raila. Why, wanaogopa nini,kila rally utasikia Raila Raila,yaani wameshindwa kuuza sera zao wamekalia kumtaja na kumponda mtu mmoja.

 

[Kenyan]

November 06, 2012 | The Nation

Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka (right) leaves Serena Hotel after a closed door meeting with Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi on November 6, 2012. Photo/EMMA NZIOKA NATION MEDIA GROUP

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Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi on Tuesday morning (today) met Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka at the Serena Hotel in Nairobi for talks as politicians continue to seek alliance ahead of next year's elections.

The two leaders met for close to three hours and were accompanied by Yatta MP Charles Kilonzo and his Ikolomani counterpart Dr Boni Khalwale.

The two MPs said that the talks were not as fruitful as they expected but added that the two presidential aspirants will continue to meet.

"The VP and the DPM have been in government for a very long time and it has been disturbing to us that they have not sat down together. We decided to invite them for tea but they were not able to open up to anything concrete," Dr Khalwale said.

Mr Kilonzo said that it was paramount for leaders who share the same ideals to seek to work together.

He added that they were expecting such meetings between the two and even other leaders in the coming days.

"This is the time for taking tea and that is what was happening here today (Tuesday). You can expect more meetings in the coming days," Mr Kilonzo said.

Mr Musyoka has been associated with the G7 Alliance which brings together Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, Justice Minister Eugene Wamalwa and Eldoret North MP William Ruto.

The three have however been working together for a coalition that appears to leave out the VP.

The VP has however insisted that he is firmly in G7 despite talk that Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto were firming up their deal for a joint ticket.

The dilemma within G7 is how to settle on the presidential candidate and running-mate without occasioning fallouts within the group.

The Nation has learnt that there is a suggestion to have all the presidential aspirants participate in a joint nomination process but whoever comes in second does not automatically become the running-mate.

After the first round, there is a suggestion that the losers then go through a second nomination process to identify the running-mate.

Other than this, there is also a suggestion that the team uses a mathematical analysis of the perceived support of each of the aspirants prepared by their technocrats to project the best winning combination for the first round.

The analyses based on the 2007 presidential votes where Mr Kenyatta is apportioned what President Kibaki got while Mr Ruto is given those that were taken by Prime Minister Raila Odinga in Rift Valley.

The technocrats have classified the Counties under Mr Odinga and Mr Mudavadi's control as the "hostile ones".

Where President Kibaki slightly beat Mr Odinga and vice versa in 15 Counties are considered as the swing votes.

Among the other issues that have been on the table is how to run joint presidential nominations while allowing the parties to field candidates in their strongholds.

However, the main point of contention is how they will field candidate in cosmopolitan areas such as Nairobi and Mombasa.

Initially, there were considerations that the parties in the Kenyatta - Ruto coalition adopt a zoning structure that would see them field candidates in their stronghold.

However, this position is said to have been shelved and the technical teams are only working on joint nominations for the presidency and opening up rivalry for the other positions.

 

[mfianchi]

Moi alisema KANU itatawala milele sasa tunaona wote wanafunzi wa Moi ndo wanagombea uraisi na woote narudia tena woote ni wanachama wa KANU ,huko kote wanazuga tu,''Nakei Nairobi tukamuone baba Moi''

 

[Kenyan]

BY MOSOKU GEOFF | The Star | Nov 05, 2012

Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta dropped Justice minister Eugene Wamalwa as a possible running mate after Eldoret North MP William Ruto entered a deal to be the DPM's running mate.

Uhuru's decision to drop Eugene was arrived at after the Saboti MP insisted on being his running mate and demanded a joint presidential nomination for G7 candidates.

Sources say the Justice minister also rejected Uhuru's call to dissolve New Ford Kenya and join TNA. “Eugene jumped out of the deal when he discovered that he is not being considered as Uhuru's running mate,” said a source in New Ford Kenya, who did want to be named.

Uhuru's camp had on Thursday indicated that an agreement between the two parties was due to be signed “anytime before next week”. The deal would have seen New Ford Kenya dissolve to join TNA and Eugene considered for Senate Speaker after the general election.

New Ford Kenya has insisted the best way forward is for a joint presidential nomination in which the group would support whoever emerged top.

“I was surprised when I heard in the media that I am a candidate for the Speaker's job,” Eugene said on Friday at the party offices “I admire Kenneth Marende a lot. In my view he is the most able Speaker I have ever known, but I have never admired his job.”

However, sources in TNA and G7 insist Eugene will still be part of Uhuru's strategy and may be designated leader of majority of speaker of the senate.

Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny said in the power sharing game, the Saboti MP would get an important job as he has been at the core of the G7. "He cannot be wished way and I can assure you that his interest will be catered for," Kutuny added.

The G7 alliance has also relegated Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka, whom they believe will sign pact with Prime Minister Raila Odinga for a joint ticket. Kalonzo has been replaced by Water minister Charity Ngilu.

The revelations came as URP parliamentary group and NEC have finally endorsed Ruto's alliance with Uhuru as the group plots to win the polls in round one.

Ruto, who is leading a five-day URP tour of the Rift Valley, chaired the party's joint PG/NEC on Saturday night where it was resolved that he deals with Uhuru and not Raila.

"URP has formulated a strategy to win next year's election either as URP or a coalition in first round. We further resolved that we will form a coalition with like-minded parties with similar agenda and not parties of rhetoric and vitendawili (riddles)," Dujis MP Aden Duale, who confirmed the meeting, said.

Duale said URP will only enter a pact "with parties which understand the ICC equation, the same way we understand it". Uhuru and Ruto are facing crimes against humanity charges at The Hague based International Criminal Court over the 2007-08 post-election violence.

Uhuru and Ruto believe they can only win the presidency on a joint ticket. Although, political analysts believe that the Kikuyu and Kalenjin communities will not vote together, Duale said the alliance will be out to prove critics wrong.

"URP is party with all 42 tribes. TNA is a party with all 42 tribes. The alliance between the two parties is not about Uhuru and Ruto, its not about Central and Rift Valley, its not about the Kikuyu and Kalenjin but rather an alliance to unite all the 42 communities," Duale said.

"Those who are saying that community X cannot vote for community Y or cannot form an alliance belong to the past. They are the same ones who have been using the tribal card to divide Kenyans. They will be proved wrong," he said.

Uhuru and Ruto are planning to hold joint rallies to promote their alliance before the end of this month. Earlier on Saturday, Ruto told supporters at Kunyak Secondary school, Kipkelion constituency in Kericho county that his team had devised a strategy that will ensure voters go only for the first round "without subjecting this country to a run-off vote".

Ruto was accompanied by MPs Charles Keter, Isaac Ruto, Duale, Zakayo Cheruiyot, Dr Julius Kones, Dr Joyce Laboso, Jackson Kiptanui, Gideon Konchella, Benjamin Langat and URP national chairman Francis ole Kaparo.

 

[livefire]

statistically speaking, Uhuruto are going nowhere, they got the vibe ofcourse but lack the picture that makes them acceptable to all Kenyans, including Kalenjins themselves. What Raila should be doing is pulling a campaign like no other; illuminate ramifications of ICC to the ordinary mwananchi, get like minded alliances and there we go, his boat is up and running, but courting some Ruto dude is a fallacy. This is for free, Luhya would rather vote for Raila than Uhuru, coast would also do a Raila instead of a Uhuruto.....methink what Jakom lacks is a strategy, plus charismatic spaekers. His Jaluo cronies taint his image too but he aint any different, GEMA is also TNA and vice verca.

 

[Kabaridi]

Mimi mudavadi simukubali kabisa, because before he was not strange bedfellows with Raila. The system of politics adopted by mudavadi is not any different from ODM where egos clash freely. Is he bound to give us anything new? and that goes for anyone who has henceforth decamped from ODM. A writer once said that he is not his own man. Considering the politics and government run by our neighbours in EAC where active legislation is a dead killed institution by these populists, you can see where I am coming from.

By clearly suggesting Kenya is not an island and therefore we should heed to the international community calls b4 sanctions fall in place.

That is where livefire wetu I disagree with with your moderate Kane analogy.

 

[Kabaridi]

statistically speaking, Uhuruto are going nowhere, they got the vibe ofcourse but lack the picture that makes them acceptable to all Kenyans, including Kalenjins themselves. What Raila should be doing is pulling a campaign like no other; illuminate ramifications of ICC to the ordinary mwananchi, get like minded alliances and there we go, his boat is up and running, but courting some Ruto dude is a fallacy. This is for free, Luhya would rather vote for Raila than Uhuru, coast would also do a Raila instead of a Uhuruto.....methink what Jakom lacks is a strategy, plus charismatic spaekers. His Jaluo cronies taint his image too but he aint any different, GEMA is also TNA and vice verca.

It is also don't forget ridiculous for Jakom to keep on fighting with constitutionally formed institutions and political opponents instead of selling their winning agenda to the people. That strategy is becoming unpopular by the minute. Only those that work hard will get to the place they desire. There should be a legislation set to adopt reports of aspiring candidates of what they have done and managed to accomplish since taking office, which was talked earlier. I believe that is what Kibaki should ensure is enforced through legislation before he takes his retirement. It is only in Kenya where people involved before in graft and scandals have the freedom to shamefully endorse themselves.

 

[mkenya1987]

Honestly speaking how will eugene help uhuru win votes in the western block barely half of the people know who he is the other half won't give him the time of day. at least with ruto uhuru is assured of votes this is a smart move politically for both the two warlords unlike some desparado who chews miraa at a public rally to get votes.

 

[livefire]

Mimi mudavadi simukubali kabisa, because before he was not strange bedfellows with Raila. The system of politics adopted by mudavadi is not any different from ODM where egos clash freely. Is he bound to give us anything new? and that goes for anyone who has henceforth decamped from ODM. A writer once said that he is not his own man. Considering the politics and government run by our neighbours in EAC where active legislation is a dead killed institution by these populists, you can see where I am coming from.

By clearly suggesting Kenya is not an island and therefore we should heed to the international community calls b4 sanctions fall in place.

That is where livefire wetu I disagree with with your moderate Kane analogy.

hahaha....u know we can always laugh this off at a pub ama?hehe. With a relative 80% accuracy in cross examining the electorate, my moderate kane has been advised by so many things amongst which some are privy to you. Aside: Muda is right btw, seems he is getting valuable pointers from here n there. lol; cont;

1) Proximity of my backyard to a possible choice of "the best electorate". Be it geographical or perceived poverty index vis a vis who has conned me so far.lol

2) whom among the national leaders has the muscle to earn the swing states and I mean the moderates...non luo and kikuyus all together.

3) among the cocktail leaders available to form an alliance with, will my party of choice be viewed as an equal partner or will it be trolled upon or be inked down upon on any suggestion such is the case with TNA/URP? Arent they shagging the rest without remorse?

4) Uhurunomics has not improved my backyard but massed the wealth of the nation to a certain quadrant of the population/republik. Treasury is to blame, and to some greater extent the political oversight too. Get a background check on the same.

5) lastly, i believe Kenya has 42 very able tribes; a crosscheck will confirm Kenya is not a dynasty. We need different tastes man. A peep in nipate shows how much some pundits are already orgasmic and looking down on any other leader aside the two "hague bound".

if the above sentiments are anything to go by and which are the common views with the grassroot electorates, then am so comfortable with one "Raila the stammerer".

NB: if UhuRuto think the presidency is about URP/TNA and nothing else, warning shots have been fired....Kalonzo/Muda/Raila/ who knows who else are willing to throw it all just for a come back debut.

Why do u think Eugene is undecided? He knows GEMA is uhuru, but Luhyas for example would rather dine with Raila or Muda. Same case to coast province, NE will be rallied by Kalonzo if TNA dumps this fellow ofcourse u know to where. With the said matrix, do u think Uhurutos ignorance helps them? Nada!!!!!! They dont posses the manifestos and appeal you are sayin anyway, its about ICC n nothing else. The cows are coming home, welcome to the winning side.

 

[Kabaridi]

hahaha....u know we can always laugh this off at a pub ama?hehe. With a relative 80% accuracy in cross examining the electorate, my moderate kane has been advised by so many things amongst which some are privy to you. Aside: Muda is right btw, seems he is getting valuable pointers from here n there. lol; cont;

1) Proximity of my backyard to a possible choice of "the best electorate". Be it geographical or perceived poverty index vis a vis who has conned me so far.lol

2) whom among the national leaders has the muscle to earn the swing states and I mean the moderates...non luo and kikuyus all together.

3) among the cocktail leaders available to form an alliance with, will my party of choice be viewed as an equal partner or will it be trolled upon or be inked down upon on any suggestion such is the case with TNA/URP? Arent they shagging the rest without remorse?

4) Uhurunomics has not improved my backyard but massed the wealth of the nation to a certain quadrant of the population/republik. Treasury is to blame, and to some greater extent the political oversight too. Get a background check on the same.

5) lastly, i believe Kenya has 42 very able tribes; a crosscheck will confirm Kenya is not a dynasty. We need different tastes man. A peep in nipate shows how much some pundits are already orgasmic and looking down on any other leader aside the two "hague bound".

if the above sentiments are anything to go by and which are the common views with the grassroot electorates, then am so comfortable with one "Raila the stammerer".

NB: if UhuRuto think the presidency is about URP/TNA and nothing else, warning shots have been fired....Kalonzo/Muda/Raila/ who knows who else are willing to throw it all just for a come back debut.

Why do u think Eugene is undecided? He knows GEMA is uhuru, but Luhyas for example would rather dine with Raila or Muda. Same case to coast province, NE will be rallied by Kalonzo if TNA dumps this fellow ofcourse u know to where. With the said matrix, do u think Uhurutos ignorance helps them? Nada!!!!!! They dont posses the manifestos and appeal you are sayin anyway, its about ICC n nothing else. The cows are coming home, welcome to the winning side.

The issue is that there is a group of people that have realized that their political future is dark. It is those same ones that want to leverage the waning popularity of ODM by antagonizing Uhururuto. There have been such theatrics for long and they will never work my friend.. People have to tirelessly work hard and campaign endlessley to the people. I have realized that ODM is not hitting the streets with the shamra-shamras (reloaded) like they used to; probably reason is they do not pull crowds anymore.
　
Campaingns are usually a painstaking exercise..Such a phenomena is bound to lower the morale of their campaigns and could be the main reason for Uhuruto campaigns encountering antagonism of big magnitudes. But I assure you come 2013 the results will speak for themselves. It is tough for those losing the presidential race to be prepared to openly dispell fears of declining influence and their chances of ascending to power.

As I earlier told you Eugene is part of the pack; of G7 I.e., and to decamp will be political suicide. I figure out in the coming days Mudavadi will not be part of G7 and Kalonzo....But Muda on his own is a non-starter, same to kalonzo, same to raila.. Coming to think how much votes this three can attract if each singly ran for the presidency.

But if Uhuturo have secured 90% bloc vote in RV and the coast G7 debacle of balala and the mijikenda is resolved, theerby securing the vote block, then I see many people going home...Considering the age bracket of Mudavadi and kalonzo, they better play their cards right because they have only this one chance. The future is about generational change and youth leaders. I see in future peter kenneth, wachjakoyahs, martha karuas being the major star attractions of kenyan politics.

 

[Kabaridi]

statistically speaking, Uhuruto are going nowhere, they got the vibe ofcourse but lack the picture that makes them acceptable to all Kenyans, including Kalenjins themselves. What Raila should be doing is pulling a campaign like no other; illuminate ramifications of ICC to the ordinary mwananchi, get like minded alliances and there we go, his boat is up and running, but courting some Ruto dude is a fallacy. This is for free, Luhya would rather vote for Raila than Uhuru, coast would also do a Raila instead of a Uhuruto.....methink what Jakom lacks is a strategy, plus charismatic spaekers. His Jaluo cronies taint his image too but he aint any different, GEMA is also TNA and vice verca.

hapo kwenye red ndugu, for you to understand where parties stand; judge them by their campaign pitch. it is easy to declare those that are on the backfoot politically by what they belt out in campaigns. Any one that is on the backfoot will belt out anything to stay relevant. For Uhururuto political opponents, inclusive of mudavadi, it is about where is Uhuru or ruto and offer nothing informative or constructive boost their chances to win elections. While national cohesion and reconciliation is taking place some are over-playing, the victim card, and propagating divisive politics.

...Times change and things change as time changes, for some, over-drumming their party's perpetual/immortality even when facts on the ground do not suggest the same, is consolative. :israel:

 

[Mwita Maranya]

Siasa za Kenya wakati mwingine tamu wakati mwingine chungu. Yaani zimejaa ma power mongers tu. Badala ya kufocus kwenye agenda za kuwaletea maendeleo wao wamejikita kuunda alliances za kikabila. Au ndio siasa zenu hizi kwamba ukabila mbele maslahi ya Taifa nyuma Kabaridi na livefire?

 

[Kabaridi]

Siasa za Kenya wakati mwingine tamu wakati mwingine chungu. Yaani zimejaa ma power mongers tu. Badala ya kufocus kwenye agenda za kuwaletea maendeleo wao wamejikita kuunda alliances za kikabila. Au ndio siasa zenu hizi kwamba ukabila mbele maslahi ya Taifa nyuma Kabaridi na livefire?

Kama siasa za kenya zingekuwa tofauti tungezungumza tofauti. For many years the presidency has been shaped by such power struggles. And judjing from what is happenning i do not see it happening any different. Can you jog your memory, When was maslahi ya taifa ever put in the fore front/foreward? maslahi ya taifa huwekwa mbele during campaigns, but after that things go back to normal.

 

[Mwita Maranya]

Kama siasa za kenya zingekuwa tofauti tungezungumza tofauti. For many years the presidency has been shaped by such power struggles. And judjing from what is happenning i do not see it happening any different. Can you jog your memory, When was maslahi ya taifa ever put in the fore front/foreward? maslahi ya taifa huwekwa mbele during campaigns, but after that things go back to normal.

Kweli aisee, wanasema wanasiasa wote wanafanana, maslahi binafsi kwanza, ya Taifa baadae. Kwa maoni yako jinsi unavyozitazama siasa za Kenya unadhani ni rahisi Raila kushinda uraisi? Ni rahisi Kwa Raila kufanya alliance na Kalonzo Musyoka, Na Musalia Mudavadi anaelekea kuungana na kundi gani?

 

[Kabaridi]

Kweli aisee, wanasema wanasiasa wote wanafanana, maslahi binafsi kwanza, ya Taifa baadae. Kwa maoni yako jinsi unavyozitazama siasa za Kenya unadhani ni rahisi Raila kushinda uraisi? Ni rahisi Kwa Raila kufanya alliance na Kalonzo Musyoka, Na Musalia Mudavadi anaelekea kuungana na kundi gani?

Naamini nafasi zote ziko wazi kwa wanaotafuta urais. Raila anaweza shinda akiungana mikono na kalonzo na Mudavadi na wanasiasa wengine. Jambo hatujui ni kama wao kalonzo na mudavadi watakubali kufanya kazi pamoja na Raila. Nilimuheshimu sana Raila na kumpigia kura mwaka wa 2007, lakini kadanganywa na wenzake ndani ya chama chake kujiingiza katika siasa za kumwagiana maji taka na mahasidi. Huko ndio kupoteza mwelekeo.

Musalia yuko hali ya hatari lazima azindue njia za kujinusuru la sivyo atabaki hana pa kwenda; kama mwenzake kalonzo pia lazima atafute njia za kubaki katika siasa. La kushangaza hawa wanasiasa walikuwa chini ya uongozi wa nyayo na bado wanatangatanga. Mbona nyayo hakuwahunga mkono hawa licha ya kuwa walikula meza moja kwa muda mrefu?

 

[Edzeame]

Kweli aisee, wanasema wanasiasa wote wanafanana, maslahi binafsi kwanza, ya Taifa baadae. Kwa maoni yako jinsi unavyozitazama siasa za Kenya unadhani ni rahisi Raila kushinda uraisi? Ni rahisi Kwa Raila kufanya alliance na Kalonzo Musyoka, Na Musalia Mudavadi anaelekea kuungana na kundi gani?

Ukabila is eating into the kenyan society. You could not vibe without mentioning your prefferred talismanic tribal leader?

 

[livefire]

Siasa za Kenya wakati mwingine tamu wakati mwingine chungu. Yaani zimejaa ma power mongers tu. Badala ya kufocus kwenye agenda za kuwaletea maendeleo wao wamejikita kuunda alliances za kikabila. Au ndio siasa zenu hizi kwamba ukabila mbele maslahi ya Taifa nyuma Kabaridi na livefire?

Kenyan politics is about regions, i.e. who has the appeal to bring perceived leaders of various communities together? Is it one, Uhuru Muigai or Raila Odinga? that will most definately call for a debate. I will discuss the same indepth with Kabaridi as i muscle his wits "here n there"; nothing violent or tribal. Its purely civic education/virtual campaigns and believe it or not, its such online brokers that advise the politicians next course of action within a given tine frame. "call me a novice but its true"
Kabaridi, i will get back to u on anything politics alil later; time barred! Anyway, is there an implosion in TNA/URP camps?

 

[livefire]

hapo kwenye red ndugu, for you to understand where parties stand; judge them by their campaign pitch. it is easy to declare those that are on the backfoot politically by what they belt out in campaigns. Any one that is on the backfoot will belt out anything to stay relevant. For Uhururuto political opponents, inclusive of mudavadi, it is about where is Uhuru or ruto and offer nothing informative or constructive boost their chances to win elections. While national cohesion and reconciliation is taking place some are over-playing, the victim card, and propagating divisive politics.

...Times change and things change as time changes, for some, over-drumming their party's perpetual/immortality even when facts on the ground do not suggest the same, is consolative. :israel:

divisive politics is done by all quotas.....UK has been on record threatening PK and Karuas career. I loved Karuas response to the gag, that some leaders/criminals lack decorum and should never lead this nation, a very infuriated woman she was. On the other hand, i havent seen Jakom shooting down an opposition in Nyanza, he gets it bila stress or opposition, no crop of posing leaders match up to him anyway.
I beg we hold this discussion for some time kiasi; lets see if Uhuruto will change tact; coz as of now they are a very predictable lot. URP/TNA cant expect victory by relying on Kale and Kyuk votes only.