Watz mkopo wote huu wa SGR wakati mlisema mtajenga kwa hela yenu

Watz mkopo wote huu wa SGR wakati mlisema mtajenga kwa hela yenu

de locci said:
khaaaa yani unakuwa mtumwa kwenye nchi yako mwenyewe?? kudadadeki!!
kweli Kenya ina wenyewe...
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Ukisikia mateso wanayoyapata na jinsi mradi walivyotapeliwa utashika kichwa. Yani mchina ndio anaendesha mradi na wanamlipa karibia billion kumi kila mwezi nje ya deni lake.
 
MENGELENI KWETU said:
Where and how can I prove kwamba huo ni ujenzi wa reli/SGR unaofanyika Tanzania?????

Attachment 1. Ni barabara ya lami; Attachment 2. Ni bulldozer or something related.. lile la kushindilia lami; Attachment 3.Ni Daraja la juu ambalo sio lazima liwe la SGR.

Msiwe mnakuja hapa na hizi evidence za kipumbavu.

Mbunge wa Tarime John Heche aliuliza majuzi Bungeni muonyeshe SGR imeshajengwa kwa MITA ngapi mpaka sasa!

Jibu hilo swali and stop misleading.
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Kwa hiyo wewe ulivyo msikia Heche akiuliza uka ona yes na mimi nimepata cha kuongea! Unakuja humu unarudia maneno ya Heche kama yalivyo! Siku nyingine usiseme reli imejengwa kwa mita ngapi, sema mradi ume kamilika kwa asilimia ngapi? tafuta taharifa, mbona vitu vipo wazi.
 
Sisi tunashughulikia kwanza vyombo vya habari na makanisa hiyo ya SGR nimesema sipangiwi.
 
Geza Ulole said:
Tunajiandaa na phase III na Isaka-Kigali sections! Endelea kupiga kelele! Wakati mkopo wa three phases SGR Tanzania (Dar-Moro 305 km + Moro-Makutupora 336 km + Makutupora-Tabora 400 km+ Isaka-Kigali 200km) ni below $500 mln tena soft loan, Kenya is to loan over $9 bln to just reach Kisumu n yet diesel train with 1960s locomotives!

While in Kenya aside over $3.5 bln for Mombasa-Nrb 472 km.

the line (120km) running from Nairobi to Naivasha in Kenya is expected to cost $1.7 billion (Shs6 trillion), from Naivasha to Kisumu port (266km), the cost estimate stands at $3.6 bilion (Shs13 trillion), while the 107km line connecting to Malaba on the Uganda-Kenya border will cost $1.7 billion (Shs6 trillion).

Tanzania starts construction of railway line link to Uganda
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Geza, I think you missed his point. Yeye amesema hapo juu kukopa sio vibaya. Kile tu amesema ni kwamba TZ walisema wana hela za kutosha, ila sasa wanakopa. Wewe hapa unajadili juu ya hela ngapi nchi zimetumia kujenga ambapo haikuwa pointi yake.

Narudia tena kusema kwamba amesema "kukopa sio vibaya". Anajadili kwamba Tz sasa wameanza kukopa lakini hakujadili mambo na hela ngapi nani amekopa.
 
MENGELENI KWETU said:
Mkuu kiukweli hakuna pesa za ndani ya Tanzania pekee za kuweza kufanya project ya SGR..
Hakuna.

Waulize hata hao wanaokesha hapa kwenye hii platform hiyo SGR imeshajengwa mita ( sio kilomita) mpaka hivi sasa..!!

Wao ni kelele tu oohh pesa zipo lakini kiukweli kila Mtanzania anajua kwamba pesa za SGR hakuna na ndio maana JPM alifika hadi hatua ya kumuomba Zuma wakati bado akiwa Rais amsaidie kupata mkopo wa SGR kwenye financial institutions za SA..

Huwa nacheka sana hawa jamaa wanapokuja hapa kuiponda SGR ya Kenya ambayo ipo tayari kwa sehemu kubwa na imeshaanza kufanya kazi wakati ya kwao haijulikani hata lini hiyo itajengwa..

HONGERA nyingi kwa Kenya.
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Wewe ni sawa na wale wazee wanaouliza wazungu kama kweli wamefika kwenye mwezi, kwanini wasiupake rangi tuone?

Reli haianzi kwa kutandika mataruma ... and that is not even the hardest , time consuming and expensive part of building an electric powered railway.

Jisomee.
 
AnotherOne said:
Guys, before arguing let's do some research first instead of saying things we do not know and ending up looking stupid.

Attachment 1. Siyo lami (tarmac) Ni sub-ballast layer. Depending on the geography of the region, the rail bed is recommended to have a variety of layers. So what you're seeing isn't tarmac road but the compacted sub-ballast layer which at quick glance looks like a typical paved road. A simple google search would suffice your knowledge.

http://superitn.eu/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/CRM-Subballast.jpg

Heche seems to be ignorant of the rail construction progress. Rail track laying doesn't start on day one. A lot has already been done in the Tanzanian rail construction. That was just politics.
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Well noted Mkuu.
 
MENGELENI KWETU said:
Mkuu kiukweli hakuna pesa za ndani ya Tanzania pekee za kuweza kufanya project ya SGR..
Hakuna.

Waulize hata hao wanaokesha hapa kwenye hii platform hiyo SGR imeshajengwa mita ( sio kilomita) mpaka hivi sasa..!!

Wao ni kelele tu oohh pesa zipo lakini kiukweli kila Mtanzania anajua kwamba pesa za SGR hakuna na ndio maana JPM alifika hadi hatua ya kumuomba Zuma wakati bado akiwa Rais amsaidie kupata mkopo wa SGR kwenye financial institutions za SA..

Huwa nacheka sana hawa jamaa wanapokuja hapa kuiponda SGR ya Kenya ambayo ipo tayari kwa sehemu kubwa na imeshaanza kufanya kazi wakati ya kwao haijulikani hata lini hiyo itajengwa..

HONGERA nyingi kwa Kenya.
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aisee wewe kama ni jogoo utakuwa unaatamia.si utembee tembee hata youtube au tatizo bundle????
 
Cha kuchekesha ni kwamba JPM anasema reli na ndege zimwjengwa kwa cash, lakini kwa miaka jana na juzi, ripoti ya benki kuu Tz inaonyesha Tz imekopa deni la zaidi ya $1.9B kutoka kwa wafadhili tofauti... hizi pesa ziliingia directly kwa bajeti...kwahivyo just bevause hazikutangazwa zinatumika kwa sector gani, haimaanishi hakutenga hizi pesa za loan kwa ujenzi wa sgr ... na hata kama hakutenda directly, atakua alichukua pesa za afya na kutumia kujenga SGR kisha akatumia pesa za mkopo kujaza pengo la bajeti ya afya... vyovyote vile alivyofanya ukweli ni kwamba alikopa hela..... kama angekua hakukopa kitu kabisa miaka hiyo miwili ndo ningeamini
 
MENGELENI KWETU said:
Phase 1 na 2 zimeshajengwa mita ngapi?
Au ni kuweka vizimba na kuzindua phase 3 tu?
Ahaa kumbe na mkopo pia ipo eehh!
Sasa jamaa anavyotamba ni fedha za ndani tu na mnamuitikia kama mazuzu bongo zenu zinakuwaga zina utapiamlo..?
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Hii kali mkuu,ulitaka ianze kutandazwa reli kabla ya kuweka kuweka vizimba,km sio wivu unaokusumbua bhas utakua comedian,na inawezekana nyumba yako utaanzaa kuweka paa kabla ya kujenga msingi na boma!
 
Magonjwa Mtambuka said:
Yaani jamaa anajikomba kwa wakenya bila hata aibu, aisee.
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Punguani huyo alafu kwan rais alisema hatuto kopa??? 700km kwa fedha za ndani sio mchezo buda. Je hao nyang'au walijenga hata mita moja ya SGR kwa fedha yao? Alafu anaforce eti nioneshen hata mita moja kwani wewe ni nani, subir muda tuliokubaliana na mkandarasi ufike hapo utakua na haki ya kuhoji kama mlipa kodi wa nchi hii. Acha kiherehere kijana.
 
MK254 said:
Siku zote mnakesha mkitutambia kwamba SGR mtajenga kwa hela yenu wenyewe, sasa mkopo wa dola milioni 400 mnafuata kutoka kwa benki ya DTB. Amueni kimoja, sio kututunishia misuli wakati nyie mpo bado bado sana kwenye LDC.
Kukopa ni sawa, ila wacha kuwahadaa watu eti hela unazo huku ukijificha usiku kwenda kukopa...hehehehe povu naruhusu, mwageni tu...

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Tanzania has secured more than $400 million from the Trade and Development Bank (TDB) to fund part of its standard gauge railway and a 318MW gas plant.

This will be the first time President John Magufuli's administration has turned to a financier for a railway project, having said this year that his government has enough funds to finance the construction of the $2.5 billion line.

The development also comes barely three months after the country turned to the African Development Bank to finance two of its major infrastructure projects — the 2,100MW Stieglers Gorge hydroelectric plant and the modernisation of the Dodoma Airport.

On Tuesday, TDB President Admassu Tadesse said the bank, formerly known as Eastern and Southern African Trade and Development Bank, had allocated the funds to help Dar es Salaam push forward with its railway and energy infrastructure projects.

“So far our bank has allocated $200 million for the SGR Central Corridor project and another $200 million that will go towards the gas power plant,” said Mr Admassu.

The regional development bank chief had a meeting with Tanzania’s Finance Minister Dr Philip Mpango and his energy counterpart Dr Melard Kalemani, which centred on the financing and implementation of the two projects.
“We are ready and willing to support Tanzania in its execution of development projects in the country. As at March this year, we had implemented more than 10 projects worth $285 million in Tanzania’s banking, agriculture, manufacturing and infrastructure sectors,” said Mr Admassu.

Documents seen by The EastAfrican show that Dar es Salaam received $191.67 million as at December last year from the regional development bank for an array of projects, attracting an interest of $1.85 million.

By that time, the bank had offered more than $2.62 billion in project development lending to its member countries.

The Bujumbura headquartered TDB with a $4 billion asset base, also said that it has $160 million worth of projects approved for Tanzania, with a further $660 million having been allocated to Dar es Salaam to boost its trade, energy, agriculture and infrastructure sectors.

“We are happy that TDB has offered us these soft loans to support our development projects. We will ensure that we complete negotiations by the end of September so that the funds can be released,” said Dr Mpango.

According to funding documents seen by The EastAfrican, Tanzania will start receiving the funds next year, with $27.55 million over a five year period rising to $60.27 million the following year, $80.28 million in 2021, $88.77 million the year after, $97.26 in 2023 and a final disbursement of $110.88 million in 2024.

The financing documents show that the French Development Agency is also expected to offer $100 million for this project, while the European Commission will offer $30 million, of which $10 million will be a grant.

Tanzania has been seeking funds to modernise its transport and energy projects as it seeks to meet its industrialisation vision in the next seven years.

Early this year, Dar es Salaam said it had set aside more than $610 million in the 2018/19 budget for the construction of the 300km SGR between Dar es Salaam and Morogoro; and the 336km Morogoro and Makutopora line.

This would have been significantly higher than the $392.23 million set aside in the current financial year. However in the budget presented last month, Dar es Salaam failed to allocate funds for the SGR project.
Regional bank to help Tanzania fund SGR, gas plant
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From day one Watanzania wenye akili timamu tunajua huo ni uongo mtupu kwa sababu vyanzo vyetu vya mapato tunavijua haviwezi kama kutosha kugharamia mradi mkubwa kama ule hata kwa nusu, TUNA VIONGOZI WAPENDA SIFA TU HATA WASIPOSTAHILI
 
Watz hapa msijifanye mnajua mengi kuliko waKenya kwa ujenzi wa reli... sisi tumeshuhudia reli yetu ikijengwa hadi ilipokamilika, kwahivyo tukiwaambia reli yenu imechelewa ujenzi kidogo tunajua tunasema nini ...

Hata hivyo, sitarajii kuona reli imelazwa anytime soon huko Tz. labda tu ile temporary rail hulazwa kutoka kwa kiwanda cha kokoto au saruji hadi pale reli inajengwa... hii ni kwasababu reli ya Tz ni continuous, kwahivyo reli haiwezi ikalazwa nusu nusu, itawabidi wangojee hadi kila kitu kingine kiwe tayari kabla ya kuanza kulaza reli...

lakini hata hivyo, bado nilitarajia baada ya mwaka mmoja na miezi kadhaa, tz sgr ingekua imeliga hatua kubwa sana! especially vile mlitangaza mnajenga usiku na mchana... kama unataka kujua ni nini nilitarajia muwe mmefanya, pitia ukurasa wa kwanza wa hii mada hapa ujione Kenya sgr ilikua imefika wapi mwaka mmoja baada ya ujenzi

Kenya: The Standard Gauge Railway Takes Shape
 
MENGELENI KWETU said:
Where and how can I prove kwamba huo ni ujenzi wa reli/SGR unaofanyika Tanzania?????

Attachment 1. Ni barabara ya lami; Attachment 2. Ni bulldozer or something related.. lile la kushindilia lami; Attachment 3.Ni Daraja la juu ambalo sio lazima liwe la SGR.

Msiwe mnakuja hapa na hizi evidence za kipumbavu.

Mbunge wa Tarime John Heche aliuliza majuzi Bungeni muonyeshe SGR imeshajengwa kwa MITA ngapi mpaka sasa!

Jibu hilo swali and stop misleading.
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Hahaha kichapo watanzania wanachowagawia chadomo huko kwenye kata ni lazima muwawewesekee wakenya unfortunately hawawezi kuwapigia kura 2020

Kwahiyo kichapo cha mbwa koko kipo pale pale
 
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