What is the best evidence for evolution?

[bukoba boy]

Your first premise is false
Second premise is false
Conclusion is also false because it doesn't follow the two premises.
Therefore, the argument is invalid, it is not sound and false.

Prove that evolution is observable.

 

[iArmaniAdamson]

Yes,all they say is 2 billions years ago.

there is a method called "carbon 14", if someone dies today and its skeleton is examined using carbon 14 it can tell roughly when the person dies. so, when they sanpy 2 billion years ago, they mean it. its not a guessing work.

 

[bukoba boy]

there is a method called "carbon 14", if someone dies today and its skeleton is examined using carbon 14 it can tell roughly when the person dies. so, when they sanpy 2 billion years ago, they mean it. its not a guessing work.

They don't mean it,they beleive it.in other words they relay on faith to back up their theory.

 

[iArmaniAdamson]

Guys, this is one of the most interesting debate. Today i came across this paper by Dr Henry, i welcome all of us to examine what he has argued in light of what we are debating. Itasaidia kama tutapata masuala ua ku-raise;




*Dr. Henry Morris is Founder and President Emeritus of the Institute for Creation Research

source: The Vanishing Case for Evolution | The Institute for Creation Research

cc Nyani Ngabu, bukoba boy, iArmaniAdamson, descarte,

Well, looking at Dr Henry history, I want to believe He wrote all that to try and envigorate majority of the community who believe in revolution to write further proves.

there are volumes and volumes of written evidence and studies in regards to evolution. The simple fact that He believes Neatherndals were before us, and Zinjathropus were the first human species, goes to prove evolution "happened" and we are constantly in changing. It is believed that 100,000 years from now, human beings will have large fore heads and bigger eyes, we can observe this by looking at human beings 500 years ago compare to people now, this seem to prove something is in the making.

Last but not least, NO ONE CAN LIVE TO OBSERVE EVOLUTION, evolution happens over a SIGNIFICANT amount of time/years. a human life span is limited to 120 years, the evidence of evolution happens over 100,000 years, that is almost 1000 times over a single life span.

Also, Dr. Henry needs to visit part of early human sightings to acquint himself with some evidence.

 

[iArmaniAdamson]

I think people are confused with the word theory.
The definition of theory.
According to the Oxford Dictionary, theory can be understood in two ways.
Theory, Sense 1: A scheme or system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts; a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed. Theory, Sense 2: A hypothesis proposed as an explanation; hence, a mere hypothesis, speculation, conjecture; an idea or set of ideas about something; an individual view or notion.
You seem to use theory in the second sense but science or Biology uses it in a first sense.
The first definition of theory makes evolution theory to be a fact just a Heliocentric is a theory.
It's in this sense evolution theory is a fact.
Evolution theory can be proved by modern science and the evidences are so overwhelmingly compelling.

I get what you mean, I am scientist (as far as my schooling is concerned) and I use theory and apply as per first definition/sense 1.

But i was writting, to remind bukoba boy that its called Darwin theory because there was Mr. Darwin.

 

[iArmaniAdamson]

They don't mean it,they beleive it.in other words they relay on faith to back up their theory.

the next thing you will say, people use faith to read watches. the question is, why use faith while you have 5 watches and all read 1pm.

Scientific experiments are tested and measured not once or twice, carbon 14 as far as i am concerned is the most reliable means of testing time lapse in history. if carbon 14 reads 30 years or 3 million years it is what it is, you dont need to use faith.

just like the way you follow your wrist watch, its not by faith but by the number of the times you have looked and accepted that it is telling you the correct time.

 

[descarte]

Prove that evolution is observable.

In fact, there are some species who evolve in our life-time and Scientists are able to study them and this is a great thing shown on earth.
We can see their evolving process. This is one of the prove.

 

[bukoba boy]

In fact, there are some species who evolve in our life and Scientists are able study them and discovery this great thing shown on earth.
We can see their evolving process. This is one of the prove.

Hapo juu iamArmanAdamson kasema no one can live to observe evolution, why are these things u are saying possible?

 

[descarte]

Hapo juu iamArmanAdamson kasema no one can live to observe evolution, why are these things u are saying possible?

Of course Evolution is a long process
it took place when no one was born. It is a process of billion of years.Thats why we can only study the available evidences like fossil, Embryo,Genes and fossils.
However there are exceptional for evolution at times evolution takes place with scientist life time whereby a scientist is able to study and see. Sometime it takes faster just a number of decades for species to evolve.

 

[bukoba boy]

Of course Evolution is a long process
it took place when no one was born. It is a process of billion of years.Thats why we can only study the available evidences like fossil, Embryo,Genes and fossils.
However there are exceptional for evolution at times evolution takes place with scientist life time whereby a scientist is able to study and see. Sometime it takes faster just a number of decades for species to evolve.

Your first two sentences point to faith.

 

[descarte]

Your first two sentences point to faith.

Nothing like that
The things have been proved scientifically.
There is no faith there. They use radioactive to know when evolution took place .

 

[muxar]

What about other theories of evolution/ origin of life?is it only darwin's theory which redirect to the reality?

 

[descarte]

What about other theories of evolution/ origin of life?is it only darwin's theory which redirect to the reality?

Which other theories?

 

[Wickama]

Jamani hii kitu nayo inaelezwa vipi na evolution?

 

[iArmaniAdamson]

What about other theories of evolution/ origin of life?is it only darwin's theory which redirect to the reality?

there are two different things, don't mix them up.

literally EVERY religion on earth has its theory about the origin of life.

Revolution is much credited to Darwin, He is the most prominent theorist of evolution. And his theory is taught through official curriculums throughout the world and even in Tanzanian Secondary school.

 

[Telecoms]

What about Lamackism?
"The modification organism acquire in adaptation to the environment which meet during it's life time are automatically handed down to it's descendant"..
What about Othodox Thinking?
" Use and disuse of organ".
Both stand for evolution or revolution?iArmaniAdamson your input again.

 

[rajabkisauti]

there is a method called "carbon 14", if someone dies today and its skeleton is examined using carbon 14 it can tell roughly when the person dies. so, when they sanpy 2 billion years ago, they mean it. its not a guessing work.

carbon 14 inaweakness nyingi tuu katika upimaji haileti kwa asilimia 100

 

[iArmaniAdamson]

carbon 14 inaweakness nyingi tuu katika upimaji haileti kwa asilimia 100

to help you, carbon 14, is more or less like a system to predict weather or an election, its a "probability" and "historical data" analysis, which gives a "rough idea" with margin of error. so if a living thing died 500 years, there will be possibility be within 505 to 495, that in scientific research is good enough to pin down when something happened.

and there are other ways to do these measurements.

 

[rajabkisauti]

Wanaukumbi,

Evolution is among the most debated theories in biological sciences. Propagated by Darwin in his book "the Origin of Species" in 1859, Darwin argued that evolution was the process through which organisms changed overtime to allow them better adapt to their environment. This theory has always received unwelcome signals especially in religious establishments. For this reason the Evolution theory has remained a hot topic which revokes countless arguments both for and against it. This posting therefore invites those with the best evidence for and against it avail it to the rest of us;

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cc Kiranga,

evidence za evolutio zipo nyingi ila nakutajia chache.
1.comparative anatomy, hii inaonesha jinsi gani viumbe tunafana kwa maumbo ya ndani mfano skeleton ila tu vinatofautiana kwa kazi.. mfano dolphin mapezi yake yana vidole sita ukimchunguza kwa xray yaani ni sawa na binaadamu lakini kunatofautiana katika matumizi.so mfanano huu unaonesha eti tumetokea katika same origin.
2.comparative embryology, hapa walichunguza makuzi ya embyo yaani kijusi au kiumbe kinachotokea sikuchache baada ya mbegu kike na kiume kukutana.. wakajaona inafika muda kijusi cha kuku ktk yai, kijusi cha ngombe, kijusi cha binadamu na n.k vinakua na umbo lililosawiya kabisa.. basi wao wakasema viumbe vyote vimetokea katika same origin.
3.natural selection.. hapa inaonesha jinsi gani kiumbe anabadilika kutokana na mazingira ili aweze kuendana nayo na kama akishindwa basi atakufa.. hi ni ndefu kidogo katika maelezo lakini pia inasema viumbe vyote tumetoka ktk same origin but kutokana na mazingira kubadilika basi na viumbe vikabadilika kiumbo ili viweze kufaulu kimazingira hii hali inaitwa survival for fitest.
HIZI EVIDENCE ZA EVOLUTION WATU WANAZICHANGANYA NA ZILE ZA ORIGIN OF SPECIES(DARWINISM AND LAMACKISM)

 

[rajabkisauti]

to help you, carbon 14, is more or less like a system to predict weather or an election, its a "probability" and "historical data" analysis, which gives a "rough idea" with margin of error. so if a living thing died 500 years, there will be possibility be within 505 to 495, that in scientific research is good enough to pin down when something happened.

and there are other ways to do these measurements.

Samahani mkuu hivi mechanism ya upimaji wa carbon 14 katika miili ya viumbe au vitu unaijua?..je criticism za matumizi ya carbon 14 unayajua?