What Kenya can teach Tanzania and vice versa

nomasana said:

i for one, would like the whole damn kenyan government to go to rwanda and learn how to efficiently run a government. there are so many things kenyan leaders can learn from their rwanda counterparts on how to effectively run a govern and administrate.

we kenyans wish our politics would be as peaceful as tanzania's. it is something we want to learn from tanzania. i am not ashamed to say that.

and i dont see anything wrong with tanzanian officials going to kenya to learn how to operate a seaport. tanzania officials can learn how to properly run an effective stock exchange market from the Nairobi Stock Exchange(NSE)

for those of you who think that kenyans just want to praise themselves then i suggest you read a kenyan newspaper. reading a kenyan newspaper you might think it is the worst country in africa!!! kenyans critisize their country more than other people do.

if you cant admit that kenya is doing something better than tanzania then there is something seriously wrong with tanzanians. you dont have to like kenyans but but if kenyans are doing something better than you then u try and learn from them, IT IS NOT A CRIME!!!! It is actually a very smart thing to do.

it is very clear that some of you tanzanian forumers on this forum are sufferring from inferiority complex.

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Which seaport effieciency are you talking about? you might have forgotten the pathetic condition of your Rift Valley Railway (as usual brainwashed by your media)! Of all these years (<2000) Tanzania has been a transit point of all Zambian, Malawian, >50% of Ugandans leavingaside DRC's, Burundi's and Rwanda, where were you? Or you have just seen a moon to be bragging as if it is the end of the World after having captured the Ugandan cargo business! For your info. Rwandese and Burundians are putting up a railway to Isaka whereas the Chinese are putting up a railway to link up with Tazara! While Ugandans are contemplating to use the whole Tanga port by themselves! Keep on bragging we don't go and ask advice for someone a fool like us! we have nothing to learn from you! I REPEAT, END OF THE STORY!!

nomasana said:

i for one, would like the whole damn kenyan government to go to rwanda and learn how to efficiently run a government. there are so many things kenyan leaders can learn from their rwanda counterparts on how to effectively run a govern and administrate.

we kenyans wish our politics would be as peaceful as tanzania's. it is something we want to learn from tanzania. i am not ashamed to say that.

and i dont see anything wrong with tanzanian officials going to kenya to learn how to operate a seaport. tanzania officials can learn how to properly run an effective stock exchange market from the Nairobi Stock Exchange(NSE)

for those of you who think that kenyans just want to praise themselves then i suggest you read a kenyan newspaper. reading a kenyan newspaper you might think it is the worst country in africa!!! kenyans critisize their country more than other people do.

if you cant admit that kenya is doing something better than tanzania then there is something seriously wrong with tanzanians. you dont have to like kenyans but but if kenyans are doing something better than you then u try and learn from them, IT IS NOT A CRIME!!!! It is actually a very smart thing to do.

it is very clear that some of you tanzanian forumers on this forum are sufferring from inferiority complex.

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I don't think there is any Tanzanian who is disturbed by Kenya's advancement, however little it may be. A problem to me is when you become a liability to us! and u r already are! You use treachery to sneak in, you keep patronizing on what we should do with our resources even when it's not in our best interests eg Bologonja case. Using ur tribal network to bring in unnecessary Kenyans workers at the expense of Tanzanians. The East African is ur propagandist paper with your henchmen/ Ugandan turned Kenyan like Onyango Obbo! Kimsingi mtanadhani sisi hatuna akili! Unategemea kuwa hiyo kitu ni sustainable, watu watawachukia and you will pay the price, as u r alreadu paying in Southern Sudan. Moreover, i wish you were deleveloped, because you wouldn't be always on our diks!

Shapu said:

Usishangae kwamba hata mimi kwa kiasi fulani nakubaliana na Smatta. Unajua most of us Tanzanians tumelack exposure...wengi wetu hatujui what is going on outside tanzania. Huo utabaki kuwa ukweli. Ukweli unauma lakini ni ukweli thats why mnamshambulia sana Smatta.


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Baba, jiseme wewe siyo sisi watanzania, Mi simo! wangekuwa hawana matatizo makubwa pengine ningekubali. Kama unakubali kama anavyosema kichwa maji Smatta, hayo ni kwako! Utakuwa umefulia ukiona kuwa Wakenya wana exposure, kujifunza siyo tatizo, ila kujifunza kutoka kwa nani ndiyo muhimu. Ujuzi wa kufua mashuka na kutandika vitanda mahotelini hata watanzania wata-improve. Watu tumekaa sana hayo majuu, tena kwenye the world's super power, kwa hiyo tatizo la mtanzania si kutokwenda nje. Ni utawala wa wasioelewa, mdomo mwingi, ufisadi na wizi, kuuza nchi kwa bei ya karanga kama ile mikataba ya chief mangungo kwenye maenea ya madini, nishati na sehemu nyingine nyingi! Sasa matatizo ya utawala bora wa Tanzania yatatatuliwa na Nyang'au? halafu, kama hujatembea, jitahidi kufanya hivyo, ndiyo utajuwa! Kwa hiyo ili tuendelee kila mtanzania apwewe ki-trip cha majuu, halafu tukirudi mambo safi?

Haahaaaaa... lack of etiquette!
Watz wenzangu kama hali ndo hii tunajiaibisha sana.
You cant even argue professionally!! Loooh!
Endelea ku-assume.
Aibu aibu aibu....


Kama ha-argue proffessionally, then do it. That what we are here for, to read you! By the way, Geza Ulole na Eliekeem are smart guys, they always substantiate their arguments, wako na data baba!, don't joke around!

Kanyabwoya said:

I don't think there is any Tanzanian who is disturbed by Kenya's advancement, however little it may be. A problem to me is when you become a liability to us! and u r already are! You use treachery to sneak in, you keep patronizing on what we should do with our resources even when it's not in our best interests eg Bologonja case. Using ur tribal network to bring in unnecessary Kenyans workers at the expense of Tanzanians. The East African is ur propagandist paper with your henchmen/ Ugandan turned Kenyan like Onyango Obbo! Kimsingi mtanadhani sisi hatuna akili! Unategemea kuwa hiyo kitu ni sustainable, watu watawachukia and you will pay the price, as u r alreadu paying in Southern Sudan. Moreover, i wish you were deleveloped, because you wouldn't be always on our diks!

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That Onyango Obbo is first a Baganda and second he is a refugee! There is nothing meaningfull you can hear from his mouth! he tried to undermine Ugandan Government and Museveni (a product son of Tanzania) wanted to flog his neck i will put up his replies once i wrote an email to him questioning his credibility he answered me arrogantly! then i kept quiet cause i knew how narrow minded he is!

Geza ulole said:

By RASNA WARAH
December 27 2009

THE GENERAL CONSENSUS is that unlike Tanzanians, Kenyans tend to be a brash, crude and arrogant lot who don’t care much for niceties or politeness.

It is a stereotype that has stuck, even though, in my opinion, most ordinary Kenyans are generally quite polite and have a high tolerance for bad behaviour, which means they don’t lash out or fight back when treated badly. The other stereotype is that Kenyans are always in a hurry and will never lose an opportunity to make a quick buck.

This go-getting attitude has often been confused with greed. But after visiting Tanzania, I am beginning to wonder if it is not precisely this attitude that has kept the Kenyan economy going even in the worst of times. And nowhere is this more evident than in the hospitality industry.

Like Kenya, Tanzania is blessed with physical beauty, ample wildlife and sandy beaches. In terms of tourism, it is Kenya’s closest rival after South Africa. But in terms of human resources, particularly in the hospitality and services industries, it lags way behind Kenya.

My own experience during a short visit to Dar es Salaam was enough to convince me that Kenyan hotels need not fear competition from Tanzania because they manage to do one critical thing right — they train their staff to respond to a clients’ needs.

In Dar es Salaam, I could barely get the attention of the receptionist at the front desk of the hotel, nor could I expect things that I take for granted in Kenyan hotels, such as room service. At first I thought it was because I did not use the magic word “Naomba” often enough. But repeated use of the word did not yield results.

On its Website, the hotel claimed to be four-star, but the only four-star thing about it was the clean, crispy bed sheets and the bathtub. The owner clearly had big ambitions, but failed on the small details.

For instance, there was no bedside lamp for reading in the room and the TV had only one international channel. In the dining area, there were too few waiters, and it was almost impossible to get their attention.

Quite often it was difficult to predict exactly when dinner would be served as it varied from any time between 7 and 9pm. This was extremely frustrating for the clients with small children.

The décor and design of the hotel also left a lot to be desired. The swimming pool area, for instance, was stripped of all trees, which made swimming unpleasant as the water heated up to almost 30 degrees in the blazing sun.

MY SWEDISH COLLEAGUES WHO were staying in the same hotel were even more frustrated. A few of them almost missed their ferry to Zanzibar because the taxi-driver booked the day before arrived an hour later than expected.

Do I sound like an arrogant self-righteous Kenyan? Maybe. But I highlight these shortcomings, not because I want to feel smug about Kenya, but because I think Tanzania is going to lose a lot of tourism revenue if it continues like this.

We can’t entirely blame Tanzanians for the state of their hospitality industry. Until the early 1990s, the country operated like most socialist states with a heavily subsidised and centralised systems that left little room for risk-taking and innovation. This meant that a civil service mentality pervaded all industries.

When the economy was liberalised, it was not accompanied by human resources development. People were not trained to compete in the free market system. For instance, Tanzania has no training college for hotel staff. There is no Utalii College, as in Kenya, that churns out chefs, waiters, receptionists or housekeepers.

Moreover, the Tanzanian economy is heavily donor-dependant, which has created its own problems. I was told, for instance, that the Tanzanian participants in the conference I was attending expected to receive a daily allowance simply for being there. This would be unheard of in Kenya, especially if the conference is among peers belonging to the same profession.

Donor dependence has created a citizenry that looks to foreigners to solve their problems. It has also stifled entrepreneurship and hindered economic development.

Perhaps in the spirit of the East African Community (and the future political federation), Kenya could offer Tanzania a helping hand through training of people working within the hospitality industry or via exchange programmes between hotels in both countries.

In return, Tanzanians could instil in Kenyans a sense of solidarity or Utu. God knows, Kenya could use a dose of kindness and co-operation right now.

rasna.warah@gmail.com

http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/831782/-/5pn3dq/-/index.html

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I side with you in some areas and not supporting you in other areas. It is true fact that we need each other in seeing improved sectors especially in Hotel Industry ofcoz minus the theft-cases, Tour Operation and in some aspect customer service in variety of sectors in Tanzania. I believe there could be a better way to engage ourselves in constructive dialogue & transfer of certain knowledge/skills to each other. I have know Kenyan in different ways from aggressiveness to Nigerian way of dealing with stuff but zote ni talent za mtu. A country like USA has a center which train I.T crackers and hackers and who are later put on competitive platform to find the best crackers. Guess what....only the best are hired by their Government and/or several wings of Government. I believe we can learn from each other's failures & successes to improve our respective countries. Who ever thought a tiny country like Rwanda would emerge to be an ICT Hub of Africa if not a bigger part of Africa. We can learn through our neighbours and great thumbs to Honorable Kagame for his stands and sense of direction to his cabinet when it comes to country's improvement and development. The good thing about Tanzania so far is that we have no internal inter-tribal wars, Tarime tu ndio mara nyingi panaleta taabu sana maana Wakuria wale sime nje nje.

TingTing said:

I side with you in some areas and not supporting you in other areas. It is true fact that we need each other in seeing improved sectors especially in Hotel Industry ofcoz minus the theft-cases, Tour Operation and in some aspect customer service in variety of sectors in Tanzania. I believe there could be a better way to engage ourselves in constructive dialogue & transfer of certain knowledge/skills to each other. I have know Kenyan in different ways from aggressiveness to Nigerian way of dealing with stuff but zote ni talent za mtu. A country like USA has a center which train I.T crackers and hackers and who are later put on competitive platform to find the best crackers. Guess what....only the best are hired by their Government and/or several wings of Government. I believe we can learn from each other's failures & successes to improve our respective countries. Who ever thought a tiny country like Rwanda would emerge to be an ICT Hub of Africa if not a bigger part of Africa. We can learn through our neighbours and great thumbs to Honorable Kagame for his stands and sense of direction to his cabinet when it comes to country's improvement and development. The good thing about Tanzania so far is that we have no internal inter-tribal wars, Tarime tu ndio mara nyingi panaleta taabu sana maana Wakuria wale sime nje nje.

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From Rwanda yes they are people of action, well displined and not braggers!

Geza ulole said:

Which seaport effieciency are you talking about? you might have forgotten the pathetic condition of your Rift Valley Railway (as usual brainwashed by your media)! Of all these years (<2000) Tanzania has been a transit point of all Zambian, Malawian, >50% of Ugandans leavingaside DRC's, Burundi's and Rwanda, where were you? Or you have just seen a moon to be bragging as if it is the end of the World after having captured the Ugandan cargo business! For your info. Rwandese and Burundians are putting up a railway to Isaka whereas the Chinese are putting up a railway to link up with Tazara! While Ugandans are contemplating to use the whole Tanga port by themselves! Keep on bragging we don't go and ask advice for someone a fool like us! we have nothing to learn from you! I REPEAT, END OF THE STORY!!

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just by the sheer cargo volume numbers handled by the mombasa seaport would show just how small the tanzanian seaport is. the kenyan port handle twice the number of cargo as the tanzanian port(16million tonnes in 2007 while the dar port handled 7million tones in the same year) and the kenyan port clears the cargo faster than its tanzanian counterpart the average cargo vessel turnaround in the kilindini seaport is 3 days compare that to tanzania's 5 days!!!

it takes cargo 6 days to leave the port of mombasa. the mombasa port runs 24/7 because it has an automated system. in 2010 the automation process will be complete and the mombasa port will be operating paperless. what about the dar port???

the dar port has 11 deep sea berths while the kenya port has 16 deep see berths!!!!

the mombasa port expansion will be complete in 2015.

plans are already underway for the northern corridor which will include another seaport in lamu, a free trade zone, a standard gauge railway line interconnecting kenyan cities ethiopia and sudan and a highway is already being built connecting ethiopia and kenya which will later connect to the lamu port.

tanzania port will take dacades before it ever catches up with the kenyan port

dont forget the fact that it is cheaper to ship via the mombasa port than the dar port.

anyway if you think i am making this stuff up then read this article and realise why you are a dumbass for what you said and why tanzania seport is waaay inferior to its kenyan counterpart.

read: http://allafrica.com/stories/200911100312.html

as smatta said, tanzanians are lazy all you people do is empty talk

nomasana said:

just by the sheer cargo volume numbers handled by the mombasa seaport would show just how small the tanzanian seaport is. the kenyan port handle twice the number of cargo as the tanzanian port(16million tonnes in 2007 while the dar port handled 7million tones in the same year) and the kenyan port clears the cargo faster than its tanzanian counterpart the average cargo vessel turnaround in the kilindini seaport is 3 days compare that to tanzania's 5 days!!!

it takes cargo 6 days to leave the port of mombasa. the mombasa port runs 24/7 because it has an automated system. in 2010 the automation process will be complete and the mombasa port will be operating paperless. what about the dar port???

the dar port has 11 deep sea berths while the kenya port has 16 deep see berths!!!!

the mombasa port expansion will be complete in 2015.

plans are already underway for the northern corridor which will include another seaport in lamu, a free trade zone, a standard gauge railway line interconnecting kenyan cities ethiopia and sudan and a highway is already being built connecting ethiopia and kenya which will later connect to the lamu port.

tanzania port will take dacades before it ever catches up with the kenyan port

dont forget the fact that it is cheaper to ship via the mombasa port than the dar port.

anyway if you think i am making this stuff up then read this article and realise why you are a dumbass for what you said and why tanzania seport is waaay inferior to its kenyan counterpart.

read: http://allafrica.com/stories/200911100312.html

as smatta said, tanzanians are lazy all you people do is empty talk

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You ****, learn to read within the lines we had three well functioning ports till 2000 when others capacities went down! And when you talk of plans, everyone has a plan so lets wait and see which one comes first and stop your nonsense! By the way i won't be suprized to find out the figures being exaggerated, since *****like to elevate themselves as your Nationmedia does to save the butts of Kikuyus! As right now Kenya is the land of Propaganda that serves the interest of the few Kikuyus like those of TransCentury Plc and the rest!

Geza ulole said:

It is because of their bragging arrogance and feeling special attitude, thinking they are better off! If you look at the World travel Awards i see South Africa hospitality industry dominating! We have been having more hotels, resorts and lodges taking awards for Africa than Kenya and yet we hear their arrogance here! Why do they force merit on themselves? Is there a Kenyan here who can tell me what's their actual problem?

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Gezaulole, this article is very true and not biased at all! The writer has done a great job! Kudos Rasna! Tanzania is blessed with alot of resources, but we are just sitting on them.

Kwa kweli we do suck in services - the hospitality industry included - take it from somebody who has visited most of the so-called 5 stars in Tanzania!

Who hasn't walked into an office to be greeted by a gum chewing receptionist, completely ignoring you because she's too busy on the phone with her shoga going on about how "alichuna buzi" the night before.

The first time I visited Kenya I was completely lost for words! These guys really do know the meaning of customer care and service - yaani even South Africans hawaoni ndani!

Here is another article, comparing Tanzania with another country - http://saharasoulfood.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/my-experience-in-india/ - not necessarily Kenya.

Why can't we take constructive criticism? Let us take these criticisms positively and as a challenge and act on them. Kwa kweli, we need to pull up our socks!

Rasna, thank you for the wake up call!!

Integration is a positive good ,anybody who states otherwise is living in fools paradise.Tatizo na Provincials wa bongo they cant see beyond manzese-tandale.Jamani vueni hizo colonial tinted miwani mnatia aibu!

simplemind said:

Integration is a positive good ,anybody who states otherwise is living in fools paradise.Tatizo na Provincials wa bongo they cant see beyond manzese-tandale.Jamani vueni hizo colonial tinted miwani mnatia aibu!

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but not at that speed our people need to be prepared, you have to bear in mind what these people are real looking for is our resources, specifiaclly land

TingTing said:

I side with you in some areas and not supporting you in other areas. It is true fact that we need each other in seeing improved sectors especially in Hotel Industry ofcoz minus the theft-cases, Tour Operation and in some aspect customer service in variety of sectors in Tanzania. I believe there could be a better way to engage ourselves in constructive dialogue & transfer of certain knowledge/skills to each other. I have know Kenyan in different ways from aggressiveness to Nigerian way of dealing with stuff but zote ni talent za mtu. A country like USA has a center which train I.T crackers and hackers and who are later put on competitive platform to find the best crackers. Guess what....only the best are hired by their Government and/or several wings of Government. I believe we can learn from each other's failures & successes to improve our respective countries. Who ever thought a tiny country like Rwanda would emerge to be an ICT Hub of Africa if not a bigger part of Africa. We can learn through our neighbours and great thumbs to Honorable Kagame for his stands and sense of direction to his cabinet when it comes to country's improvement and development. The good thing about Tanzania so far is that we have no internal inter-tribal wars, Tarime tu ndio mara nyingi panaleta taabu sana maana Wakuria wale sime nje nje.

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Tingting, nimekupenda! You said it so well, we do need each other - irrespective of our differences etc!

Geza ulole said:

You ****, learn to read within the lines we had three well functioning ports till 2000 when others capacities went down! And when you talk of plans, everyone has a plan so lets wait and see which one comes first and stop your nonsense! By the way i won't be suprized to find out the figures being exaggerated, since *****like to elevate themselves as your Nationmedia does to save the butts of Kikuyus! As right now Kenya is the land of Propaganda that serves the interest of the few Kikuyus like those of TransCentury Plc and the rest!

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how about i just admit that the dar port is and has always been superior than the mombasa port? that is what you are trying to say right?

does that make you feel happy, warm and fuzzy?

simplemind said:

Integration is a positive good ,anybody who states otherwise is living in fools paradise.Tatizo na Provincials wa bongo they cant see beyond manzese-tandale.Jamani vueni hizo colonial tinted miwani mnatia aibu!

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What level of integration? Tunatia aibu kwa sababu hatutaki kupelekwa speed, unayetia aibu ni wewe usiyejua madhara ya kulazimisha mahusiano bila consent ya watu ambayo akili finyu.

GU kuhusu efficiency ya bandari, mafisadi ndio wanatuponza, kama wamepeana (TICTS) unadhani nani atawawajibisha. Serikali ya mafisadi ndiyo inatufanya tudharaulike. Hata hivyo, kama Kenya wamefanikiwa kwenye bandari, hicho ni kikombe cha maji kwenye bahari. Nao wamevurunda kwenye maeneo mengi, mafisadi wao wamewapiga kidole kwenye ardhi sasa wanatapikia kwetu. Ukabila kwao ni kama ile sala aliyotufundisha baba! Sisemi watanzania hatuna matatizo, wala hatuhitaji kujifunza, no. Ila tusijifunze kutoka kwa hawa choka mbaya wakenya, they r just desperate predators, who want to use us as a stepping stone.

Ukiacha hata uwezo wa kutu-supply teachers, nina serious doubts na uwezo wa kitaaluma wa walimu wa Kenya, labda kwanza curriculum zetu ziwe simplified kuwa-accomodate, maana ni mawe. Kuja kufundishwa na watu wanaomaliza form four halafu wanakwenda chuo kikuu, sidhani kama wadogo zetu watakuwa na akili.

nomasana said:

how about i just admit that the dar port is and has always been superior than the mombasa port? that is what you are trying to say right?

does that make you feel happy, warm and fuzzy?

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you are simply a fool it is like two mental disturbed guys and one has recovering a bit and laughing at his fellow and telling him, "dude you are waaaaay worse than me"! Smart people ask themselves which of these two is the size of Durban port in capacity wise? if not, why? I hope in this new year you will change your unpragmatic way of seeing things!

Geza ulole said:

you are simply a fool it is like two mental disturbed guys and one has recovering a bit and laughing at his fellow and telling him, "dude you are waaaaay worse than me"! Smart people ask themselves which of these two is the size of Durban port in capacity wise? if not, why? I hope in this new year you will change your unpragmatic way of seeing things!

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Yo dude, you keep comparing us to the SOUTH so much, is Tz by any chance SA, I would like you Gu to answer me this. Na foreign teachers wa Botswana wengi wametoka wapi? guess you cnt answer Smatta this. And FYI, am not fully Kenyan, am Tanzanian from my mothers side, and probably will my kids coz i see myself marrying ma Tanzanian fiance. So stop embracing these stupid borders so much because they will limit your ability as a young, hopefully educated man.
Have a great new year Fam.

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yo dude, you keep comparing us to the south so much, is tz by any chance sa, i would like you gu to answer me this. Na foreign teachers wa botswana wengi wametoka wapi? Guess you cnt answer smatta this. And fyi, am not fully kenyan, am tanzanian from my mothers side, and probably will my kids coz i see myself marrying ma tanzanian fiance. So stop embracing these stupid borders so much because they will limit your ability as a young, hopefully educated man.
Have a great new year fam.

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i have been to kenye, and i have studied with kenyens i hve never seen uggly women before. Kenyan women must be the world's ugliest women. So kenyans marrying tanzanian women is due to lack of choice back home. I mean how can you spend the rest of your life with such an uggly creature. Photos to follow

Smatta said:

Yo dude, you keep comparing us to the SOUTH so much, is Tz by any chance SA, I would like you Gu to answer me this. Na foreign teachers wa Botswana wengi wametoka wapi? guess you cnt answer Smatta this. And FYI, am not fully Kenyan, am Tanzanian from my mothers side, and probably will my kids coz i see myself marrying ma Tanzanian fiance. So stop embracing these stupid borders so much because they will limit your ability as a young, hopefully educated man.
Have a great new year Fam.

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As usual you go bragging again! Never asked you of how many Kenyans are in Botswana and never told ya of how many Tanzanians are there (its not important to me)! When will you end your bragging brotha? if Kenyans work in Botswana why not in Kenya and produce that difference you need to move that country? did you use your tax money to produce skilled and competent people to go and work in another country? If yes, can you prove to me that you got plenty and in excess to ship some of those skilled workers to Botswana? been to Botswana and i saw many Kenyans there are working as teachers! So tell me, don't you lack teachers back home? as the way i know, some time before Kibaki anounced about 6000 were needed!
This is what i have all along tried to explain to you guys, you are no way better and at least you are getting to understand me now unknowingly! stop this Nationalism and be humble and calm down you will understand my point, i am a good person and very knowledgable indeed!

Please Note: I don't care which Nationality you are! you don't need to tell me where are you from to prove your point! Never told you where am i from?

I always wonder TZ is almost twice the size of Kenya and has more resources and yet the size of Kenya's economy is twice that of Tanzania. What happened? It should be the other way round.

Certified said:

I always wonder TZ is almost twice the size of Kenya and has more resources and yet the size of Kenya's economy is twice that of Tanzania. What happened? It should be the other way round.

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I always wonder of all the years Kenya butt licking the British and Boers while the rest of Africa colonized plus much assistance you are here competing with that small Tanzanian economy! you should be at least the size of SA economically! What happened i thought you were darling of Britons? is that the prize you got after all that betrayal of fellow Africans?