What would German Tanzania have been like?

[KIBONGOMKUTI]

Could you draw the line on how Africans are being treated in German in all life aspects, its crazy and sheer madness to wishful think Taganyika German Colony would have been different as of Today? Wake up think positively nobody is entrusted your destiny to Development!

 

[Good Father]

Confidently I can say we lazy Tanzanians, it is the the time to think how we can build our nation so when we are still complaining that to be ruled by the German would have helped us to move on is simply meaning that colonialism is a good thing to us, why don't we depend on our selves? Poor thinking we are now not different from crazy citizens who are admiring colonialists and this is the reason for the presence of fake business collaboration between our country leaders and western countries.

 

[msemakweli]

Askari Kanzu
.........Like other colonial masters, Germany would have developed the country to some degree, though ultimately for their own interests and not those of the natives.........

 

[Askari Kanzu]

.........Like other colonial masters, Germany would have developed the country to some degree, though ultimately for their own interests and not those of the natives.........

Is that what you long for. Isn't that skewed thinking?

 

[Rugby Union]

Typical dependent mind, at least African should discuss on why we are dependent up to date and how we must get out of this situation. Some 'passed-to-school' Africans claims that if we were German colony it would be far better.

Hopeless...

 

[Kibona]

Am sure Tanzania under Germany would have been the super power in East, Central and Southern Africa. Actually Germans invested alot in Tanzania and most of their investment denotes permenence means they wanted Tanganyika for long term purpose.

Look at most infrastructure left by Germans are visible, live and in use up to date.

If you look places like Tanga you can be surprised, plantations, strong buildings, railway, factories and the likes without forgeting schools and city planning.

In early 2000 i happened to go to ujiji kigoma, my goodness i was amazed by german road, it is a unique tarmac lasted for over 60 years.

No wonder Germany is the strongest economy in Europe despite all ups and downs in Ww1&2.

Conclusively i say Tanzania would be better and far with germans than British. Tanzania would imitate aggressiveness of Germans, transfer technology, acquire production development as long as Germans noted and discovered alot of precious resources, they would do everything to safeguard their interest in Tanzania. Remember they wanted to recapture Tanganyika in ww2 but failed, they tried to return immediate after independence but was not successful.

Just to cement your points; German East Africa was by the end of 1913 the most developed country in Tropical Africa and the most educated in sub sahara. The Germans had invested more in Tanganyika than any other Colonial power in Africa.

 

[msemakweli]

Just to cement your points; German East Africa was by the end of 1913 the most developed country in Tropical Africa and the most educated in sub sahara. The Germans had invested more in Tanganyika than any other Colonial power in Africa.

Are you serious? Can you prove this?

 

[Askari Kanzu]

Just to cement your points; German East Africa was by the end of 1913 the most developed country in Tropical Africa and the most educated in sub sahara. The Germans had invested more in Tanganyika than any other Colonial power in Africa.

Is this what you call the most developed country in Tropical Africa; or rather, is this what you aspire to live under?
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German Officials' Personal Transport in East Africa (c. 1905) Germany controlled several territories in Africa and the Pacific, even though it entered the race for colonies relatively late. Lured by the prospect of adventure and economic opportunity, more than 70,000 Germans sought to establish a life outside Germany, often chasing indigenous peoples off their lands or hiring them as servants for menial work. This photograph offers a glimpse into the colonial lifestyle of a German official, whose family is being transported in a litter carried by four Africans from the German East Africa colony (modern-day Tanzania).

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[msemakweli]

Is this what you call the most developed country in Tropical Africa; or rather, is this what you aspire to live under?
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Even the French and the British did that, not just the Germans. Colonial governments and their territories had a master-slave relationship the world over.
So i took the liberty to look into Kibona claims, and i found there was some truth to it. Check this out;

By 1914, Dar es Salaam and the surrounding province had a population of 166,000, among them 10,490 (1,050 Europeans, 1,000 of them Germans. In all of the German East Africa were 3,579 Germans.[SUP][6][/SUP] In its own right, Dar es Salaam became the showcase city of all of tropical Africa.
EDUCATION
Germany developed an educational program for Africans that involved elementary, secondary and vocational schools.[SUP][who?][/SUP]"Instructor qualifications, curricula, textbooks, teaching materials, all met standards unmatched anywhere in tropical Africa."[SUP][9][/SUP] In 1924, ten years after the beginning of the First World War and six years into British rule, the visiting American Phelps-Stokes Commission reported: "In regards to schools, the Germans have accomplished marvels. Some time must elapse before education attains the standard it had reached under the Germans."[SUP][9][/SUP]
One of the influences of this German development of education in their colony is the word "shule" (from "Schule" in German) that means school. Since Germans were the first colonialists to establish a solid educational program in the African Great Lakes region, the word "shule" has been borrowed into the Bantu Swahili language, the lingua franca of the African Great Lakes.
Source: German East Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please dont misunderstand the purpose of this thread. I don't wish the Germans were still our rulers, I'm just asking, what if we got our independence from them and not the Brits?

 

[Askari Kanzu]

Even the French and the British did that, not just the Germans. Colonial governments and their territories had a master-slave relationship the world over.
So i took the liberty to look into Kibona claims, and i found there was some truth to it. Check this out;...

My point here is not whether the Brits and the French were better or worse than the Germans. It is a fallacy to believe that the colonialists (all of them) had the intention of "developing" the countries that they were colonizing. To claim that we would have been better off under the Germans or whosoever portrays a lack of understanding of the whole issue of colonialism.

 

[KVM]

My point here is not whether the Brits and the French were better or worse than the Germans. It is a fallacy to believe that the colonialists (all of them) had the intention of "developing" the countries that they were colonizing. To claim that we would have been better off under the Germans or whosoever portrays a lack of understanding of the whole issue of colonialism.

I do not think it is completely out of order to compare the colonialists. All colonialists are not the same although they have the same aim.

 

[Askari Kanzu]

I do not think it is completely out of order to compare the colonialists. All colonialists are not the same although they have the same aim.

Well, it is that aim that matters most and is the bone of contention here.

 

[KVM]

Well, it is that aim that matters most and is the bone of contention here.

Tanganyika is not the first country in the world to suffer under colonialism. Maybe we should not make aim of colonialism the bone of contention because there are very few countries in this world which did not suffer under colonialism. Maybe because of that fact many countries still manage to see the bright side of it. Even the British still remember the technologies and knowledge passed to them by the Romans and the Vikings.

 

[Askari Kanzu]

Tanganyika is not the first country in the world to suffer under colonialism...

Who is laying such a claim here? Why are you trying to be apologetic to colonialists?

 

[KVM]

Who is laying such a claim here? Why are you trying to be apologetic to colonialists?

I am not trying to be apologetic to colonialists. What I am opposed to is trying to silence any discussion about the bright side of colonialism because colonialism is bad. I am also opposed to the trend of continuing to blame colonialists for things which could be changed by the colonised themselves after the ending of colonialism.

 

[Askari Kanzu]

I am not trying to be apologetic to colonialists. What I am opposed to is trying to silence any discussion about the bright side of colonialism because colonialism is bad...

But who is trying to silence the discussion? You don't expect everyone to have the same views as yours; or do you?

 

[KVM]

But who is trying to silence the discussion? You don't expect everyone to have the same views as yours; or do you?

I don't expect everyone to have the same views as mine. Certainly I have not indicated so anywhere in my postings.

 

[Askari Kanzu]

I don't expect everyone to have the same views as mine. Certainly I have not indicated so anywhere in my postings.

OK, but having been born in colonial times and experienced colonialism at a close range I do get a feeling of nervous unease when I hear people extoll the "positive" sides of colonialism. That's all.

 

[KVM]

I understand your feelings but I believe that there are some positive things in colonialism. There are those who believe that the colonialists brought nothing positive and we do not have anything to learn from them hence we should throw away everything. But there are those who think that we should select what was good and retain them and throw away all that was bad.

 

[Askari Kanzu]

...There are those who believe that the colonialists brought nothing positive and we do not have anything to learn from them hence we should throw away everything...

I don't think that is the issue here. No one in his sane mind can believe that this is possible. History can not be negated!