Who created God? Who made him? Where did he come from?

Who created God? Who made him? Where did he come from?

@@Umeelewa nilichoandika?,nakushaur soma tena,Hakuna sehem nimesema kwamba historia zao hazijulikani,bali nimesema Mambo walofanya/walotenda hawakusema wamefanya kwa uwezo flani ama wametumwa na flani.Hiyo ndo point niliyosema sio kama ulivoelewa,soma tena@@.
Hawakusema hivyo simply kwa sababu hawakutumwa, waliotumwa walisema. Ngoja nikupe mfano mdogo sana. Hebu chukulia nchi kama Tanzania na raisi wake (Mh JK), kwa kufuata hoja yako ni sawa na kusema kwa kuwa wapo watu wanaofanya mambo bila kuagizwa na rais basi hata wale walioagizwa nao pia hawakuagizwa?? This is very flawed logic. Huwezi kusema kwa kuwa Gandhi, wewe na mimi hatujasema kuwa ni mitume basi wale wote waliosema ni waongo. Wewe ulitakaje, wote tuwe mitume???!!!!

Jiulize swali hili dogo. Ikiwa wewe kwa akili yako uliyonayo huna uwezo wa kuelewa maarifa yote yaliyopo leo duniani, kwa nini unajiamini sana kuwa unaweza kuwa na uhakika kuwa hakuna Mungu??!!!

Hili swali umeshajijuliza wewe?,kwamba kwa akili zako ulizonazo umewezaje kumjua Mungu ?,na kuamini kwamba yupo?,Jiulize unaamini ama unaogopa?

Mimi nimejiuliza na siogopi, ninayakini, swali ni je kwanini uwe na uhakika sana wakati haka kadunia kenyewe kanakushinda?? Hivi wewe kama ubongo wako ulionao uwezo wa kuelewa kila kilichomo katika dunia huna halafu leo hii unataka kusema una uelewa mkubwa sana kiasi cha kuwa na uhakika wa 100% kuwa Mungu hayupo!!! Ni afadhali wale jamaa wanaojiita "agnostic", wao wanasema hawana uhakika. Tukirudi kwenye suala la uoga, hivi ni kwanini uoga umfanye mtu amtengeneze Mungu katika akili yake??!!! Kwanini "idea" ya Mungu imsaidie binadamu kiasi hicho. Kwanini kwa uoga huohuo binadamu asiamue kuwa hakuna Mungu??!! Wewe kinachokufanya ufikiri kuwa mtu akipatwa na woga anapata idea ya kuwepo Mungu ni nini??!! Kuna uhusiano gani wa kisayansi kati ya uoga na uwepo wa Mungu??

Pili kwa nini unadhani kwamba mitume walitoka mashariki ya kati pekee??!!! Hii idea umeitoa wapi??

Maelezo yote nimetoa hapo juu,kwa hiyo hili swali halina msingi ndo mana nakushauri usome tena.@@

Hapa hujajibu swali, jibu swali ni nani aliyekwambia kuwa mitume wote wametoka mashariki ya kati??!!
 
Same questions you ask you cant be answered by any religion dogma or whatsoever. Don't jam the thread with same ---- that has been asked by dilettante, it only dispatch your imprudence. If you don't know science, do not try to construct your arguments through science in order to prove science is wrong. Stick to your religion phrases rather than inflicting non extant notions as "perfect system to cause that bang" and ask for evidence, oh! I thought you knew big bang is a theory!!

Wewe badala ya kujibu swali unaleta ujuaji mwingi na maneno yasiyo na maana. Hiyo theory ya Bing Bang inazungumzia uwepo wa explosion and expansion. Sasa acha ujuaji, kwa mujibu wa hiyo thoery yako how the heck did that explosion come into being. Some things transcend physical reality, your physics can not help you there.
 
What sort of question is this?

Human beings did not exist before the big bang and by extension science did not exist before the big bang, religion did not exist before the big bang; gods were created after humans developed language and the brain capacity to ponder the cosmos.

Answer what I have asked you and do not make things up as you go along.

Who told you GOD existed AFTER THE BIG BANG!?

Through the Scriptures which mans like you and me claims whom we called "PROPHETS" claims to be THE WORD'S OF GOD stated that GOD IS OUTSIDE "TIME AND SPACE"!
While everything else is WHITHIN TIME AND SPACE!

If you are clever enough YOU SHOULD TRY to challenge those People and Their Scriptures which the claim to be from GOD ALMIGHTY.

Science on its own made Soo many mistakes and Blunders!

I will give you few here.

1.Darwin's notion of heredity.
2. Kelvin's Earth age estimate
3. Pauling's triple helix.
4. Hoyle's Big Bang.
5 Einstein's cosmological constant.

Those are just the tip of an iceberg.

We also KNOW that the same science we praise is the same reasons why humans are suffering today.

So dont come here and try to show the readers that science and its findings is ALL SINGING AND ALL DANCING.

Just to give you the clue of those GOD SCRIPTURES.
Here is few!

We all know that QURAAN is almost 1500 YRS OLD! (If you don't, then you know now (

Now read this:-

The Quran on the Expanding Universe and the Big Bang Theory

Hubble’s Law

For thousands of years, astronomers wrestled with basic questions concerning the universe. Until the early 1920’s, it was believed that the universe had always been in existence; also, that the size of the universe was fixed and not changing.
However, in 1912, the American astronomer, Vesto Slipher, made a discovery that would soon change astronomers’ beliefs about the universe. Slipher, noticed that the galaxies were moving away from earth at huge velocities. These observations provided the first evidence supporting the expanding-universe theory.[1]


Before the invention of the telescope in 1608, man could do little more than wonder about the origin of the universe. (Courtesy: NASA)


In 1916, Albert Einstein formulated his General Theory of Relativity that indicated that the universe must be either expanding or contracting.

Confirmation of the expanding-universe theory finally came in 1929 in the hands of the well known American astronomer Edwin Hubble.

By observing redshifts[2] in the light wavelengths emitted by galaxies, Hubble found that galaxies were not fixed in their position; instead, they were actually moving away from us with speeds proportional to their distance from earth (Hubble's Law).

The only explanation for this observation was that the universe had to be expanding.
Hubble’s discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy.

In 1929, he published the velocity-time relation which is the basis of modern cosmology. In the years to come, with further observations, the expanding-universe theory was accepted by scientists and astronomers alike.


With the Hooker Telescope, Hubble discovered that the galaxies were moving away us. Above are photos of known galaxies. (Courtesy: NASA)



Yet, astonishingly well before telescopes were even invented and well before Hubble published his Law, Prophet Muhammad used to recite a verse of the Quran to his companions that ultimately stated that the universe is expanding.

“And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.” (Quran 51:47)

At the time of the revelation of the Quran, the word “space” was not known, and people used the word “heaven” to refer to what lies above the Earth.

In the above verse, the word “heaven” is referring to space and the known universe. The verse points out that space, and thus the universe, happens to be expanding, just as Hubble’s Law states.

That the Quran mentioned such a fact centuries before the invention of the first telescope, at a time when there was primitive knowledge in science, is considered remarkable.

This is more so considering that, like many people in his time, Prophet Muhammad happened to be illiterate and simply could not have been aware of such facts by himself. Could it be that he had truly received divine revelation from the Creator and Originator of the universe?

The Big Bang Theory

Soon after Hubble published his theory, he went on to discover that not only were galaxies moving away from the Earth, but were also moving away from one another.

This meant that the universe happened to be expanding in every direction, in the same way a balloon expands when filled with air. Hubble’s new findings placed the foundations for the Big Bang theory.

The Big Bang theory states that around 12-15 billion years ago the universe came into existence from one single extremely hot and dense point, and that something triggered the explosion of this point that brought about the beginning of the universe. The universe, since then, has been expanding from this single point.

Later, in 1965, radio astronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson made a Noble Prize winning discovery that confirmed the Bing Bang theory.

Prior to their discovery, the theory implied that if the single point from which the universe came into existence was initially extremely hot, then remnants of this heat should be found. This remnant heat is exactly what Penzias and Wilson found. In 1965, Penzias and Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMB) that spreads through the universe. Thus, it was understood that the radiation found was a remnant of the initial stages of the Big Bang. Presently, the Big Bang theory is accepted by the vast majority of scientists and astronomers.


Cosmic Background Explorer Data


It is mentioned in the Quran:

“He (God) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth…” (Quran 6:101)

“Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes; and He is the Knowing Creator. His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” (Quran 36:81-82)

The above verses prove that the universe had a beginning, that God was behind its creation, and all that God needs to do in order to create is to say “Be,” and it is.
Could this be an explanation as to what triggered off the explosion that brought about the beginning of the universe?

The Quran also mentions:

“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30)

Muslim scholars who have explained the previous verse mention that the heavens and earth were once one, and then God caused them to separate and form into the seven heavens and Earth. Yet, due to the limitations of science and technology at the time of the revelation of the Quran (and for centuries to follow), no scholar was able to give much detail about how exactly the heavens and earth were created. What the scholars could explain was the precise meaning of each word in Arabic in the verse, as well as the overall meaning of the verse.

In the previous verse, the Arabic words ratq and fataq are used. The word ratq can be translated into “entity” “sewn to” “joined together” or “closed up”. The meaning of these translations all circulate around something that is mixed and that has a separate and distinct existence. The verb fataq is translated into “We unstitched” “We clove them asunder” “We separated” or “We have opened them”. These meanings imply that something comes into being by an action of splitting or tearing apart. The sprouting of a seed from the soil is a good example of a similar illustration of the meaning of the verb fataq.

With the introduction of the Big Bang theory, it soon became clear to Muslim scholars that the details mentioned with regards to the theory go identically hand in hand with the description of the creation of the universe in verse 30 of chapter 21 of the Quran. The theory states that all the matter in the universe came into existence from one single extremely hot and dense point; that exploded and brought about the beginning of the universe, matches what is mentioned in the verse that the heaven and Earth (thus the universe) where once joined together, and then split apart. Once again, the only possible explanation is that Prophet Muhammad had truly received divine revelation from God, The Creator and Originator of the universe.

Now if you have a problem with the statements above, then bring your arguments but dont come here and say things Which you know for certain IS NOT PROOF rather it is THEORY and it will remains theory until THE DOOMS DAY.
 
Same questions you ask you cant be answered by any religion dogma or whatsoever. Don't jam the thread with same ---- that has been asked by dilettante, it only dispatch your imprudence. If you don't know science, do not try to construct your arguments through science in order to prove science is wrong. Stick to your religion phrases rather than inflicting non extant notions as "perfect system to cause that bang" and ask for evidence, oh! I thought you knew big bang is a theory!!

What can you tell me that I dont know miss/mr know it all.

I dont rely on THEORIES! Like yourself and the rest of your clan.

How could I challenge science without using the same cock and bull stories?

How many Scientists time to time has proof the same Science TO BE WRONG?

I will use the SAME science to PROOF TO people of you kind that GOD do EXIST! and I dont thing you have option on that.

Here is one of those blunders of science.

Classical elements

Maintaining their stranglehold as the most imaginative, if not always accurate, thinkers of the Ancient world, the Greeks suggested that all matter was made up of four elements: earth, air, fire, and water. This theory dominated European thought well into the early-modern period and was closely linked to the previously mentioned theory of the four humours.

As science developed and gradually began to discover more about the real building blocks of life, like chemical elements, atoms and cells, the simplicity and inaccuracy of the classical elements could no longer be denied.

I will keep on challenge the science for all its weakness and I will challege anybody who refuse to believe the existence of GOD by using that weak scientific THEORIES.
 
Answer what I have asked you and do not make things up as you go along.

Who told you GOD existed AFTER THE BIG BANG!?

Through the Scriptures which mans like you and me claims whom we called "PROPHETS" claims to be THE WORD'S OF GOD stated that GOD IS OUTSIDE "TIME AND SPACE"!
While everything else is WHITHIN TIME AND SPACE!

If you are clever enough YOU SHOULD TRY to challenge those People and Their Scriptures which the claim to be from GOD ALMIGHTY.

Science on its own made Soo many mistakes and Blunders!

I will give you few here.

1.Darwin's notion of heredity.
2. Kelvin's Earth age estimate
3. Pauling's triple helix.
4. Hoyle's Big Bang.
5 Einstein's cosmological constant.

.

Please explain how the list of 5 "blunders" are wrong, explain what makes them "blunders."

I do not believe in a god and, yes gods were created once sentient beings began questioning themselves and the cosmos. Gods are the creation of human minds and there we have had as many gods as there are civilizations.

On the quran, none of what you are copying and pasting is relevant. Provide specific verses that refer to specific scientific theories and we will have a discussion. Your retrofitted verses cannot be taken seriously. Remember the quran borrowed heavily from the torah, the bible and bodies of knowledge that existed at that time.

The Quran is only 1500 years old. The Epic of Giglamesh is about 5000 years old, the Mahabarata and the Ramayana are over 4500 years old, the Torah (including much of what became the old testament) is 4000 years old, and the bible is over 2050 years old. As you can see, the Quran is relatively young, compared to the other religious texts.

You have a none scientific understanding of science and your derision of "theory" is rather comical.

In the scientific world, the phrase. "I do not know" is widely celebrated as the beginning of wonder. Scientists do not claim to know everything, but scientist can proudly proclaim that there is a robust testing on scientific assertions and that the work continues. Religion claims to have all the answers in one book. No evidence, no testing, just one book.

PS: You should provide links instead of copying and pasting those long articles.


 
I do not believe in a god and, yes gods were created once sentient beings began questioning themselves and the cosmos. Gods are the creation of human minds and there we have had as many gods as there are civilizations.

On the quran, none of what you are copying and pasting is relevant. Provide specific verses that refer to specific scientific theories and we will have a discussion. Your retrofitted verses cannot be taken seriously. Remember the quran borrowed heavily from the torah, the bible and bodies of knowledge that existed at that time.

The Quran is only 1500 years old. The Epic of Giglamesh is about 5000 years old, the Mahabarata and the Ramayana are over 4500 years old, the Torah (including much of what became the old testament) is 4000 years old, and the bible is over 2050 years old. As you can see, the Quran is relatively young, compared to the other religious texts.

You have a none scientific understanding of science and your derision of "theory" is rather comical.



PS: You should provide links instead of copying and pasting those long articles.

I think I'm talking to a brick wall here.

Since when the age of scriptures became an issue here! And if quraan borrowed HEAVILY frm torah, why dont yiu show me ONE Scientific theory frm it which was proven by Scientists!

You wrote things you have NO KNOWLEDGE about them. And its funny that you asked for links.
I have offered you food on the plate and you are asking for a chef?

More over you fail to challenge any of those Verses above! Rather you came back with lots of bla bla bla!

The Holly Quraan concluded by saying.

Baqarah 2:18] Deaf, dumb and blind; and they are not to return.

[Baqarah 2:171] And the example of the disbelievers is similar to one who calls upon one that hears nothing except screaming and yelling; deaf, dumb, blind - so they do not have sense.

[Maidah 5:71] And they assumed that there will be no punishment, so they turned blind and deaf - then Allah accepted their penance, then again many of them turned blind and deaf; and Allah is seeing their deeds.

[Ana`am 6:39] And those who deny Our signs are deaf and dumb in realms of darkness; Allah may send astray whomever He wills; and may place on the Straight Path whomever He wills.

[Hud 11:20] They will not be able to escape in the earth, nor do they have any protecting friends apart from Allah; they will have punishment upon punishment; they were unable to hear, nor used to see.
 
Do you believe in all gods or is it just allah that you believe in?

QURAAN.

17:42 - Say, "If there were any other gods beside Him, as they claim, they would have tried to overthrow the Possessor of the throne."

21:22 - If there were in them (the Heavens and the Earth) other gods besides ALLAH, there would have been chaos. Glory be to ALLAH; the Lord with absolute authority. He is high above their claims.

23:91 - ALLAH has never begotten a son. Nor was there any other god beside Him. Otherwise, each god would have declared independence with his creations, and they would have competed with each other for dominance. ALLAH be glorified; far above their claims.

30:30 - Therefore, you shall devote yourself to the religion of strict monotheism. Such is the natural instinct placed into the people by ALLAH. Such creation of ALLAH will never change. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know.

AND Unfortunately you Mekatilili are AMONG those who DO NOT KNOW.
what a shame!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
O followers of the Book! do not
exceed the limits in your religion, and
do not speak (lies) against Allah, but
(speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son
of Marium is only an apostle of Allah
and His Word which He communicated
to Marium and a spirit from Him;
believe therefore in Allah and His
apostles, and say not, Three
Desist, it is better for
you; Allah is only one God; far be It
from His glory that He should have a
son, whatever is in the heavens and
whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah
is sufficient for a Protector. S. 4:171

Allah ndo nini?
 
QURAAN.

17:42 - Say, "If there were any other gods beside Him, as they claim, they would have tried to overthrow the Possessor of the throne."

21:22 - If there were in them (the Heavens and the Earth) other gods besides ALLAH, there would have been chaos. Glory be to ALLAH; the Lord with absolute authority. He is high above their claims.

23:91 - ALLAH has never begotten a son. Nor was there any other god beside Him. Otherwise, each god would have declared independence with his creations, and they would have competed with each other for dominance. ALLAH be glorified; far above their claims.

30:30 - Therefore, you shall devote yourself to the religion of strict monotheism. Such is the natural instinct placed into the people by ALLAH. Such creation of ALLAH will never change. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know.

AND Unfortunately you Mekatilili are AMONG those who DO NOT KNOW.
what a shame!

I do not believe in Allah and the quran, why are you quoting verses to me?

So your argument is not that there is a god, but that allah is the only god. Just like you are trained in suratul ikhlas and in in the shahada.
 
I think I'm talking to a brick wall here.

Since when the age of scriptures became an issue here! And if quraan borrowed HEAVILY frm torah, why dont yiu show me ONE Scientific theory frm it which was proven by Scientists!

You wrote things you have NO KNOWLEDGE about them. And its funny that you asked for links.
I have offered you food on the plate and you are asking for a chef?

More over you fail to challenge any of those Verses above! Rather you came back with lots of bla bla bla!

I do not know why you are getting upset.

None of those verses prove allah or any deity is real and those are ambiguous verses that can be misconstrued to mean anything.

Show evidence for your god. Stop quoting verses that have no significance whatsoever to me. Literary work is not evidence.
 
Do you believe in all gods or is it just allah that you believe in?


QURAAN.

17:42 - Say, "If there were any other gods beside Him, as they claim, they would have tried to overthrow the Possessor of the throne."

21:22 - If there were in them (the Heavens and the Earth) other gods besides ALLAH, there would have been chaos. Glory be to ALLAH; the Lord with absolute authority. He is high above their claims.

23:91 - ALLAH has never begotten a son. Nor was there any other god beside Him. Otherwise, each god would have declared independence with his creations, and they would have competed with each other for dominance. ALLAH be glorified; far above their claims.

30:30 - Therefore, you shall devote yourself to the religion of strict monotheism. Such is the natural instinct placed into the people by ALLAH. Such creation of ALLAH will never change. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know.

AND Unfortunately you Mekatilili are AMONG those who DO NOT KNOW.
what a shame!




I do not believe in Allah and the quran, why are you quoting verses to me?

So your argument is not that there is a god, but that allah is the only god. Just like you are trained in suratul ikhlas and in in the shahada.

I think you need to listen to yourself first before starting to puke out and
divagate your words.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
What sort of question is this?

Human beings did not exist before the big bang and by extension science did not exist before the big bang, religion did not exist before the big bang; gods were created after humans developed language and the brain capacity to ponder the cosmos.

nakubaliana na wewe sayans yako na binadam havikuwapo ila kusema mungu hakuwapo unakosea kwa sababu sayans haijui nini kilitokea b4 na nini kilisabisha, qur an maneno ambayo tunaamini ni ya god almighty yatueleza kuwa big ban ilitokea na msababishaji ni yeye ambaye hana mwanzo unapozungumzia ishu ya by chance ndio mnakosea kila kitu kilitoke kwa sababu hakuna kinachotokea pasi na sababu believe in god usiwe mtumwa wa sayans itumie sayans kumjua mungu co kubisha uwepo wa mungu na ndo maana mungu kupitia muhammad ameturuhusu kuitafuta elim mpaka china ili tu tunapoamini tuwe na imani thabit tusiyumbishwe kama leo h wewe ambaye hukupata bahat ya kumjua mungu wako vzr unavopata shd
 
I think you need to listen to yourself first before starting to puke out and
divagate your words.

Why are you getting angry? Are you not capable of having a discussion without resorting to these infantile insults.

I repeat, I do not believe in the quran, hadith or sunna and the literary word is not evidence.


BIzI9MNCQAEu_3Q.png
 
I do not know why you are getting upset.

None of those verses prove allah or any deity is real and those are ambiguous verses that can be misconstrued to mean anything.

Show evidence for your god. Stop quoting verses that have no significance whatsoever to me. Literary work is not evidence.

The topic in place is NOT for you to believe or NOT to believe.

Go back and Read the title of the Thread.

Who cares what you believe!

Dont you know some Kenyans still worship woman genitals? Or you will ask proof for that one too!
 
nakubaliana na wewe sayans yako na binadam havikuwapo ila kusema mungu hakuwapo unakosea kwa sababu sayans haijui nini kilitokea b4 na nini kilisabisha, qur an maneno ambayo tunaamini ni ya god almighty yatueleza kuwa big ban ilitokea na msababishaji ni yeye ambaye hana mwanzo unapozungumzia ishu ya by chance ndio mnakosea kila kitu kilitoke kwa sababu hakuna kinachotokea pasi na sababu believe in god usiwe mtumwa wa sayans itumie sayans kumjua mungu co kubisha uwepo wa mungu na ndo maana mungu kupitia muhammad ameturuhusu kuitafuta elim mpaka china ili tu tunapoamini tuwe na imani thabit tusiyumbishwe kama leo h wewe ambaye hukupata bahat ya kumjua mungu wako vzr unavopata shd

There is no evidence whatsoever that proves the existence of a god, Based on this, I can comfortably declare that there is no god. I will be happy to change my stance if I am provided evidence that proves the existence of a god.


 
The topic in place is NOT for you to believe or NOT to believe.

Go back and Read the title of the Thread.

Who cares what you believe!

Dont you know some Kenyans still worship woman genitals? Or you will ask proof for that one too!

Let us have a civil discussion, stop with the insults. If you are incapable of stringing a sentence without an insult please do not respond to my posts.
 

Why are you getting angry? Are you not capable of having a discussion without resorting to these infantile insults.

I repeat, I do not believe in the quran, hadith or sunna and the literary word is not evidence.


BIzI9MNCQAEu_3Q.png

I think your jumping to a self defense while I never raised my arm.

I never insult anyone rather I straighten up your words here and try to save you frm the hell fire, thats all
 
Let us have a civil discussion, stop with the insults. If you are incapable of stringing a sentence without an insult please do not respond to my posts.

Why you keep on saying that I insult you?
Where did I do that!?

Those are FACTS not INSULT!

There is a different there mr!
 

There is no evidence whatsoever that proves the existence of a god, Based on this, I can comfortably declare that there is no good. I will be happy to change my stance if I am provided evidence that proves the existence of a god.



I think I made it very clear that I am not here to discuss with anyone regarding god or gods!

If you cant be bothered to show some respects when you write, then this conversation is over.
 
Back
Top Bottom