Who was Lissu's informer, does this have any effect on our internal security?

Who was Lissu's informer, does this have any effect on our internal security?

JokaKuu said:
..hata wakati wa kampeni Magufuli alikuwa anaumwa.

..Lissu akafanyiwa hujuma ili asimame kampeni wakati Magufuli anauguzwa.

..kwasababu Magufuli hakuweza kwenda mikoa ya Kusini, basi Lissu akaanza kupigwa mabomu alipokuwa kusini, na helikopta yake ikawa inazuiwa kutua maeneo maeneo alipopangiwa kukampeni.

..kwa jicho langu la udadisi Magufuli alikuwa na hali mbaya tangu wakati wa msiba wa Mzee Mkapa au kabla ya hapo.

NB:

..pia nahisi Magufuli aliwahi kuugua akiwa ktk ziara nchini Uganda.

cc tindo, Mag3
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Alikuwa Mgonjwa hajiwezi, akihutubia mikutano ya Kampeni siku 2 wanarudi gereji kukarabati, Kampeni zenyewe walikuwa wanatembea na Ile mitungi ya kumpepea Upepo
 
Richard said:
That person who facilitated the process to feed Lissu that information was traced and found in Arusha.

He's been looked after since.

But you seems to be right on our security system especially cyber security.

I think we have cyber security centre but I don't think is well equipped (or is in the process) enough to stop these leaks.
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Mmmh, hiki Kiingereza naona Umeamua kumuenzi Marehemu, broken kama zote!
 
Naamini Katika Mifumo Hii ya Serikali mwishoni tutalazimika tu kuamini katika uzalendo na Nchi na sio Chama flani..

kwamba Rais yeyote akija tufanye nae kazi lakini hatutakubali atugeuze anavyotaka nje ya Maslahi ya Nchi.

Tunamshukuru sana Mungu kwa ajili ya John Magufuli nadhani Pamoja na malalamiko bado naamini alitenda mengi kwa nchi hii.
 
Lihove2 said:
May be he even knows who was behind the 16 bullets.It should be a matter of time, I suppose things will begin to unfold
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Lissu sasa hivi hafanyi kazi yoyote zaidi ya kukaa mitandanoni na kutafuta innuendo.

Kwa vile Magufuli alikuwa na afya dhaifu ya moyo ambayo Lissu alishaijua siku nyingi sana hata kabla Magufuli hajawa rais, ndiyo maana kila mara Magufuli alipokuwa anachukua mapumziko au kwenda akuchekiwa hospitali, Lissu alikuwa anafanya ni issue. Hii ya kusikia rais amepelekwa hospitali, anaweza hata kuipata kwa walizni wa mlangoni mwa pale hospitali, halafu yeye anafanya extrapolationa kufit agenda yake. Amefanya hivyo mara kadhaa bila kufanuikiwa, unfortunately safari hii kafanikiwa- yaani ilikuwa ni pata potea tu. Kama kweli ana informers wazuri na anaamini kuwa Magufuli alituma assasins kumwua kwa nini hajasema hao waliomminia risasi hizo ni nani, bali naye huwa anakwoti generically tu kuwa ni "wasiojulikana."!

Sehemu kubwa ya maneno ya Lissu ni speculations tu!
 
Kichuguu said:
Lissu sasa hivi hafanyi kazi yoyote zaidi ya kukaa mitandanoni na kutafuta innuendo.

Kwa vile Magufuli alikuwa na afya dhaifu ya moyo ambayo Lissu alishaijua siku nyingi sana hata kabla Magufuli hajawa rais, ndiyo maana kila mara Magufuli alipokuwa anachukua mapumziko au kwenda akuchekiwa hospitali, Lissu alikuwa anafanya ni issue. Hii ya kusikia rais amepelekwa hospitali, anaweza hata kuipata kwa walizni wa mlangoni mwa pale hospitali, halafu yeye anafanya extrapolationa kufit agenda yake. Amefanya hivyo mara kadhaa bila kufanuikiwa, unfortunately safari hii kafanikiwa- yaani ilikuwa ni pata potea tu. Kama kweli ana informers wazuri na anaamini kuwa Magufuli alituma assasins kumwua kwa nini hajasema hao waliomminia risasi hizo ni nani, bali naye huwa anakwoti generically tu kuwa ni "wasiojulikana."!

Sehemu kubwa ya maneno ya Lissu ni speculations tu!
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Alishawahi kusema anawafahamu wote na ni kweli aliwaona kwakua alishajua anafuatiliwa kabla hajapark gari lake... ni suala la muda tuu.
 
Mackanackyyy said:
Na Waziri Mkuu aliyesema Rais yupo busy anapitia mafaili yake inakuwaje, ndo alikuwa na correct information?
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Tarehe 15 - 03 - 2021 Pangani Tanga - Mama Samia Suluhu akitoa Salamu kutoka kwa JPM.
 
Mlachake said:
Who was feeding Lisu with information?
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The benevolent and patriotic tanzanian was doing this noble and blessed work of feeding Lisu with sweet information of dictator's illness and consequent death.
 
nkumbison said:
Alishawahi kusema anawafahamu wote na ni kweli aliwaona kwakua alishajua anafuatiliwa kabla hajapark gari lake... ni suala la muda tuu.
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I believe he (Lissu) ako katika fasi nzuri and well protected kwa sasa, so it’s obvious the best time to give us their names! Hao wasiojulikana!
 
Kichuguu said:
Lissu sasa hivi hafanyi kazi yoyote zaidi ya kukaa mitandanoni na kutafuta innuendo.

Kwa vile Magufuli alikuwa na afya dhaifu ya moyo ambayo Lissu alishaijua siku nyingi sana hata kabla Magufuli hajawa rais, ndiyo maana kila mara Magufuli alipokuwa anachukua mapumziko au kwenda akuchekiwa hospitali, Lissu alikuwa anafanya ni issue. Hii ya kusikia rais amepelekwa hospitali, anaweza hata kuipata kwa walizni wa mlangoni mwa pale hospitali, halafu yeye anafanya extrapolationa kufit agenda yake. Amefanya hivyo mara kadhaa bila kufanuikiwa, unfortunately safari hii kafanikiwa- yaani ilikuwa ni pata potea tu. Kama kweli ana informers wazuri na anaamini kuwa Magufuli alituma assasins kumwua kwa nini hajasema hao waliomminia risasi hizo ni nani, bali naye huwa anakwoti generically tu kuwa ni "wasiojulikana."!

Sehemu kubwa ya maneno ya Lissu ni speculations tu!
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Mi nadhani wewe ndo umespeculate, Uhalisia ni kuwa ikulu ya Tanzania inavuja Sana,kumbuka tangia enzi za dr.Slaa alivyokuwa akipata taarifa nyeti,hata zitto kabwe huwa anakuwa ahead katika vitu vingi vya nchi.Halafu kea Lissu kupata siri ni rahis kea sababu ashakuwa presidential candidate,anaconnection kila mahali,kuanzia jeshini,mahakamani n.k.hata yeye kuondoka ghafla nchini ni kea sababu alishapenyezewa kuwa zile kesi zako dhidi ya serikali zitakuweka gerezani kwa amri toka juu.pia kipindi Cha uchaguzi pale Kawe alisema kuwa Nose amepewa na NEC kura Mil 12 na yeye mil.1 na kweli ikawa hivyo,walau NEC wangepika upya zile data Ili kummislead,lakini walichelewa.
 
mikedean said:
Mi nadhani wewe ndo umespeculate, Uhalisia ni kuwa ikulu ya Tanzania inavuja Sana,kumbuka tangia enzi za dr.Slaa alivyokuwa akipata taarifa nyeti,hata zitto kabwe huwa anakuwa ahead katika vitu vingi vya nchi.Halafu kea Lissu kupata siri ni rahis kea sababu ashakuwa presidential candidate,anaconnection kila mahali,kuanzia jeshini,mahakamani n.k.hata yeye kuondoka ghafla nchini ni kea sababu alishapenyezewa kuwa zile kesi zako dhidi ya serikali zitakuweka gerezani kwa amri toka juu.pia kipindi Cha uchaguzi pale Kawe alisema kuwa Nose amepewa na NEC kura Mil 12 na yeye mil.1 na kweli ikawa hivyo,walau NEC wangepika upya zile data Ili kummislead,lakini walichelewa.
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Unarudia speculations zaidi. Ingawa nakubaliana nawe kuwa Ikulu siku hizi ina uvujaji sana, hilo la kura ni speculations tupu, kwani Kura zilihesabiwa kutoka vituoni, siyo kuwa NEC ilitoa tanganzo la moja kwa moja. Hakuna aliyewahi kuja na ushahidi kuwa NEC ilitangaza kura tofauti na zilizotoka vituoni. Halafu ufujaji mwingi Ikulu hutoka kwa watu wadogo sana, kwa hiyo siyo kuwa kila ufujaji na taarifa sahihi.

Kama alikuwa na ushahidi sahihi ilikuwaje akasema rais amepelekwa Nairobi, amehamishiwa, India, amehamishiwa Ujerumani ndani ya muda huo mfupi tu kam ilikuwa siyo kubashiri tu.
 
Meela said:
Lissu kasema Magufuli amelazwa hospitalini Nairobi Kenya. Baadaye kaseme serikali ya JMT ilimuondoa na kumpeleka China. Inaonyesha huyo informer ni boya kama boss wake tu.
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Na aliposema Amekufa je hakufa kweli?
 
Mbona jibu ni rahisi sana.
Magufuli maisha yake ya urais alijikuta amezungukwa na rundo la watu unnecessary ambao anajaribu kuambatana nao kila mahali atakapokuwepo. Yeye aliona ni fahari kumbe ni hatari. Na hao ndio watoa taarifa.

Sasa taarifa zake za kuumwa sana na kufa mafichoni kamwe zisingeweza kuwa siri hata kwa muda wa masaa matatu, watu wangejua tu. Na watu walijua.
 
Kichuguu said:
halafu yeye anafanya extrapolationa kufit agenda yake. Amefanya hivyo mara kadhaa bila kufanuikiwa,
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Lini hyo Lissu aliwahi ongelea afya ya JPM? hadi kuspeculate kifo?

Lissu anawajua waliohusika thou most of them waliuawa kuepuka loose ends......

Issue yake ni NANI ALIWATUMA? Nadhani hili jibu kila mtu analo kwa ushahidi wa kimazingira tu.
 
Kuhusu Lissu kujua hizo taarifa sio issue(maana hata mimi na wewe tungeweza kujua tu), issue ni Lissu kuwa ndio Tz whitehouse spokeman kuhusu afya ya Rais.

Kivipi?
Lissu alitoa taarifa kwa uhakika na kujiamini mnoo, na akawa ndio reliable source kwa dunia nzima kuhusu afya ya Magufuli.

Kwa wadadisi wa ndani ya serikali wanakwambia hilo jambo halikutokwa kwa bahati mbaya, ni mpango ulioundwa ndani kwa ndani kutoka sehemu ya system za usalama na serikali ya Tz baada ya viongozi kugawanyika kuhusu hatma ya kisiasa ikiwa watasema Rais amekufa au anaelekea kufa. Kuna kikundi fulani kilikuwa kinataka ku 'capitalised' kiti cha urais wa Tz kwa mgongo wa Magufuli kipindi hichi kwa kuficha au kuchelewesha taarifa, hivyo mtifuano wao ukazaa baadhi yao kutoa details kwa mtu ambaye angeuza habari Kidunia kwa haraka na upana ili kuvuruga hiyo mipango. Na Lissu alionekana ni mtu sahihi. Na kwa hilo walifanikiwa.

Kuna mambo mengi yanakuja, utajua vizuri. Kuwa na subira.
 
zitto junior said:
Lini hyo Lissu aliwahi ongelea afya ya JPM? hadi kuspeculate kifo?

Lissu anawajua waliohusika thou most of them waliuawa kuepuka loose ends......

Issue yake ni NANI ALIWATUMA? Nadhani hili jibu kila mtu analo kwa ushahidi wa kimazingira tu.
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Hii Ni Kama assassination ya Ouko yule former foreign minister wa Kenya. Waliomuua wote walikufa kiajabu ajabu kuzuia habari kuvuja.
 
Mlachake said:
Lisu Started questioning whereabouts of the president on March 7th 2021. As per the Vice President our President Dr. John Magufuli was hospitalized on 6th march 2021.

This clearly shows Lissu was fed information about the health of our President by his sources which he claims are reliable from the government.

Remember we normal citizens and the rest of the world were never notified on the Presidents illness till his demise on the 17th March 2021.

Who was feeding Lisu with information?
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Traces suggest at least four access codes may be facilitating the flow of the information with high pay and safety assurance
1. One or two unethical surveillance detail with outstanding grudges against the regime posing as polite and submissive servant to line command to achieve the goal
2. Might be medical physician posing as surveillance confidant to TAL
3. It might be a trusted junior or medium infantry posing as surveillance detail for special purpose
4. Former government staff tasked/contracted to daily update on the government senior staff timetable schedule that involves public and closed door meeting to discuss issues of national interest and mapping out the action plan

Notabene:
i. Neither passer by nor passionate individual can dare to volunteer leaking classified information to third party knowingly of the risk and consequences ahead
ii. Someone with access to state house and not subject to security detail scrutiny was effectively capitalized to drive home unseen missile to the target knowingly the statesman had pacemaker implanted to regulate his impetus heartbeat that would be compromised;
iii. Tanzanian people are inter-married and state aides are not isolated from citizens interaction while in discharge of security detail as such become vector medium of the communicable diseases.

No one is directly accused here rather are personal opinions extending the venue to think critically, but speculation clouds the scenario of the incident suggesting as to what happened.

Is it true the pacemaker was irreplaceable to advanced version should it had been examined and determined by the specialist that it was out of order to save life?
Everyone can offer different answers, only the doctor who was treating the big man reserves the the right to secret which won't be revealed unless upon the patient's or family consent, to this effect it requires courageous investigative skills to solve the puzzle.

*To me I figure out as the WILL of GOD not engineered by human hands. Do not throw blame to anybody rather than harmonizing the emotionally confused citizens. If there is reliable and credible clue from the thread originator let him spill the millet to capture a favorable cock to eat.
 
Mlachake said:
Remember we normal citizens and the rest of the world were never notified on the Presidents illness till his demise on the 17th March 2021.
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How certain are you that he died on March 17th?

If you believe Lissu had information from the inner circle, you should also credit him on the Nairobi Hospital angle.

Look, there is no point in pointing fingers.
When information on the president's whereabouts is made a secret, people will do everything possible to unravel the mystery.

Lissu's story would not have had any relevance if the government had come forward with information on the president.

Now look, what was served by lying about the president's whereabouts?

Results would have been the same on the president's fate, but people would have been spared the pain and everything caused by the government, not by Lissu or those who fed him with the truth of what was happening.
 
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