Without a National Tallying Centre, UKAWA & Lowassa are bound for a disappointment

[Rutashubanyuma]

I am seconding this ideas and I believe Lowassa and UKAWA are following.

Before long we will all know how far the opposition has matured or is still a dream confined to grumblings of stolen hopes of those who believe in them.

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

Hivi national tallying center ni jengo au utaratibu...mwaka je 2010 CDM hawakuwa na utaratibu huo? Ningemwelewa mtoa hoja kwamba anashauri namna ya kufanya huo mfumo ili ufanye kazi.

UKAWA needs to know the number of votes cast in this election if they are to empower themselves.

Mali bila kalamu huisha bila habari.

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

The end of ukawa will be on 25th of october. They be renamed ukiwa instead. I don't the justification of their existence unless they decide to form one party otherwise it will be chaos

Nice suggestions but time to amalgamate into one party not siding with them let alone hostile laws in place.

Complex barriers are involved, and in particular apart from being united in their determination to kick ccm out of the eating table the opposition shares very little else.

Ccm resentments unite them but power rivalries stand between them rendering the whole idea of UKAWA umbrella quite appealing quick fix solution

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

Democracy in most African state is still in embryonic stage there incumbent government (rulling party) has autonomy in many aspect that favours them the issue NECT is presidential appointee

By the way what do you mean NECY is a presidential appointee?

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

I fully share some of your conspiratorial views. Mkapa carry too much official graft emblems not to be aloof over the incoming new administration?

He illegally amassed wealth a gratitude of abusing his presidential powers now the chickens are coming home to roost...

 

[Mp Kalix2]

Bvr replaces manual voter register so the laws cover them but they can only identify registered voters before voting, thereafter they are useless.

Tallying of votes begins at polling station and announcement of results depend on the type of election.

Constituent level have statutory powers to announce councillor and parliamentary ones while presidential ones only NEC Head office in Dar has sole authority on that one


If these responses have not addressed your concern possibly you need to reframe the questions.

I don't know how to re-frame.
Let me do this way -What i understand in all legal matter is that you can not just mention in verbal way and done.
e.g i did expect Government Notice on Government Gazette on this changes or an Amendment on the existing act.


If you don't mind let me ask you to visit ;

The National Election Act (Cap 343) with Incorporated amendment up June 30 2010.

Sect.59. Every ballot paper shall
(a)contain
(i)Full name of the Candidate;
(ii)a recent photograph taken within three months;
(iii)..........................
(b)be capable of being fold up;
(c)......................................

 

[simplemind]

You seem to suggest once agent loyalty is assured the real problem is the infrastructure to tally results from every polling station nation wide. With mobile technology this need not be a problem at all. All that is need is that each agent is equipped with basic mobile phone to send an sms with following information poll station code,ward rep count,parliamentary rep count and presidential poll count.

The sms will be received by gsm modem connected to a laptop or desk computer. Computer parses sms message and stores content in sql server database. Database can queried to extract required information including the all important presidential total.

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

This section of election law is pertinent upon tallying of official presidential results:-

[s. 35E]
[PCh343s45]45.Addition of Presidential votes Acts Nos. 18 of 1995 Sch; 4 of 2000 Sch.
(1) After all the reports of the results and the ballot boxes containing the ballot papers relating to Presidential election, have been received from all the polling stations in the constituency, the Returning Officer shall, after determining the validity of any disputed votes, add together the figures of–

(a)all the votes cast in the constituency;

(b)the votes in favour of each candidate;

(c) the rejected ballot papers.

(2) The Returning Officer shall, after compiling the Presidential results in the constituency, display such results at a conspicuous place.

(3) The Returning Officer shall prepare and submit to the Commission a report of the partial results of the Presidential election in the constituency.

(4) The Commission may direct that the Returning Officer shall, after preparing the report of the results under subsection (2) of this section, display a copy of the report in some conspicuous public place.

(5) The Returning Officer shall certify and give a copy of the report to each of the polling agents or if present, to the Presidential candidates.

(6) The Commission may, where there is any doubt as to the accuracy in the addition of Presidential votes in any constituency, require the repetition of the addition of the figures from the partial results from some or all of the polling stations in the constituency.

(7) Subjectto subsection (2), the Commission shall, after adding together all the respective totals submitted to it by each Returning Officer in accordance with subsection (2), declare the results of the Presidential election in the country.

(8) A Presidential candidate shall be declared to have been elected President if he receives the greatest number of all the valid votes cast.
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[Rutashubanyuma]

This section of election law is pertinent upon tallying of official presidential results:-

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

As per election law presidential election results are tallied at the polling station

 

[Mp Kalix2]

Ruta if i did get you right you meant that BVR machine is going to be used only to identify a Voter!.

Back to this interesting subject! With this concern of yours and of rest of UKAWA team why till now CDM did not show to public facts of 2010 election results cheating if at all this is what the law has in actual operation(agent to be handed copy).
Any law forbidding party to collect all the results from Candidates agents and have there own total as you suggested this time around?

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

You have a very important point CHADEMA were caught napping by CCM mercenaries posing as members of National security agencies who rigged the tallying of votes at constituency level unabated.

The challenge now is to put in place from polling stations, constituency to national level a tallying infrastructure which should yield the outcome a couple of hours after the polling stations results are declared.

We have the technical capacity to do it, and UKAWA results will be provisional just like those Nigerian presidential machinery had: putting election commission under global spotlight to do the right thing.....ANNOUNCE THE TRUE WINNER!

By the way we are really knackered by impostors masquerading as our fairly elected leaders having the putative legitimacy to reside at our Ikulu after dubiously being throned!

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

Another pertinent issue ought to be raised at this stage that not only members of our intelligence team take part in upending the presidential verdict but also employees of local government appointed as umpires also are under ccm yoke to rig the vote.

Only transparency will wipe away these blatant injustices inflicted upon us who benignly voted for the leaders we trusted.

 

[Mp Kalix2]

You have a very important point CHADEMA were caught napping by CCM mercenaries posing as members of National security agencies who rigged the tallying of votes at constituency level unabated.

The challenge now is to put in place from polling stations, constituency to national level a tallying infrastructure which should yield the outcome a couple of hours after the polling stations results are declared.

Very interesting!.And that's why as to this Point Police on behalf of Government a.k.a CCM are against Political Party Security system as they are planing to use the same old tricks and worried of the Party Security Agents to stop or found out.

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

Very interesting!.And that's why as to this Point Police on behalf of Government a.k.a CCM are against Political Party Security system as they are planing to use the same old tricks and worried of the Party Security Agents to stop or found out.

Ask yourself this pinquant question: why do members of national security wallow themselves in vote counting and tallying unless they are plotting to rig it?

Why are they incospicuous from public glare all the time but to rear their ugly heads during crucial times of electing our leaders?

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

The Lowassa hour is beckoning: A dawn of new era without CCM is tiptoeing, and I cannot wait but tarrying is the price we all have to pay!


It is no longer whether Lowassa will be our president but rather the debate has shifted to by what margins....

Even ccm's votes rigging experts know it is truly over...stealing this election may lead to a bloodbath and few are really willing to stroll that path of ignominy...

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

Ukawa still in the dark that though vigilantes will dissuade ccm election riggers from getting into polling stations but election supervisors may play an intermediary role blending ccm bootleg with hungry UKAWA polling agents.

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

Pay your agents well and pick them wisely or fail to nail this one as a result of poor organizational skills on your part.

 

[Rutashubanyuma]

We are hearing police have interfered with UKAWA NATIONAL TALLYING CENTRE in Dar indicating all is not well with CCM.