World bank forecasts Tanzania as the third fastest growing economy in Africa next year

World bank forecasts Tanzania as the third fastest growing economy in Africa next year

Are you denying Kenya doesn't receive aid or on simple terms budge support aid ???


Open Aid Data: Kenya: General Budget Support

Trump budget spares Kenya from aid cuts

The Open Aid link shows IMF loans and grants. Big difference from Aid.
Kenya asks for loans (which we intend to pay back), and not aid (which comes from the goodness of the heart).

Kenyan government does not actively solicit for aid. US/UK/France agencies look for NGOs, societies, refugees and other needy people to help.
The same thing happens in India - one of the largest economies in the world.
And because English is non-existent in Tanzania, grant means you have to pay back, but without the interest and other baggage that accompany a loan.
 
But why you guys are very defensive when it comes to issue of AID, Kenya is still a developing country, it has its own challenges. Sielewi kwanini inakuwa ni jambo la ajabu kuona you don't want to be associated with AID. When it comes to Tanzania, all of you are happy to use the word LDC as if we can't produce our own food and feed ourselves. Man.
Defensive? But who has denied that Kenya recieves aid? I havent. In my resonse to u above, I have clearly stated that all developing countries, Kenya included recieve aid for some reasons.


But it is u Tanzanians who are making this aid issue an issue, using it to take swipes at Kenya as to why a country ranked as a middle income should still be recieving aid?

And our response to such snide remarks are succinct, and remarkably piercing to u; Kenya is not an aid dependant country.


And it is also true that Tanzania is an Ldc.
 
The Open Aid link shows IMF loans and grants. Big difference from Aid.
Kenya asks for loans (which we intend to pay back), and not aid (which comes from the goodness of the heart).

Kenyan government does not actively solicit for aid. US/UK/France agencies look for NGOs, societies, refugees and other needy people to help.
The same thing happens in India - one of the largest economies in the world.
And because English is non-existent in Tanzania, grant means you have to pay back, but without the interest and other baggage that accompany a loan.
There was no word loan on both link I send you, the word aid and budget support( which is new terminology for aid) was clear marked. How come you didn't mentioned about the second link which indicate how relieved when Kenya learn they will be spared from Trump's aid chop.
Here is the link again
Trump budget spares Kenya from aid cuts
 
Defensive? But who has denied that Kenya recieves aid? I havent. In my resonse to u above, I have clearly stated that all developing countries, Kenya included recieve aid for some reasons.


But it is u Tanzanians who are making this aid issue an issue, using it to take swipes at Kenya as to why a country ranked as a middle income should still be recieving aid?

And our response to such snide remarks are succinct, and remarkably piercing to u; Kenya is not an aid dependant country.


And it is also true that Tanzania is an Ldc.
I think you need to educate your fellow Kenya's who are still in denial that Kenya receive aid.
Kenya is a country which still receive aid every year in every shape or form.
 
Defensive? But who has denied that Kenya recieves aid? I havent. In my resonse to u above, I have clearly stated that all developing countries, Kenya included recieve aid for some reasons.


But it is u Tanzanians who are making this aid issue an issue, using it to take swipes at Kenya as to why a country ranked as a middle income should still be recieving aid?

And our response to such snide remarks are succinct, and remarkably piercing to u; Kenya is not an aid dependant country.


And it is also true that Tanzania is an Ldc.
So is Angola. There are LDCs that have twice per capita GDP than some lower middle economy countries. You probably misinterpret the whole meaning of LDC. It's a bit deeper than you probably think.
I don't really get this delusional (grandiose type) mind coming from our northern brothers. Phew! It's amazing!
 
So is Angola. There are LDCs that have twice per capita GDP than some lower middle economy countries. You probably misinterpret the whole meaning of LDC. It's a bit deeper than you probably think.
I don't really get this delusional (grandiose type) mind coming from our northern brothers. Phew! It's amazing!


Angola has a high Gdp per capita, however, it it still exhibits low levels of socioecomomic development. Poverty levels there are obscene, and it is a country with very few manufacturing concentrations, importing almost everything including refined oil which ironically it produces in plenty.

Imo, Tanzania is more likely to graduate to the middle income status before Angola.
 
I think you need to educate your fellow Kenya's who are still in denial that Kenya receive aid.
Kenya is a country which still receive aid every year in every shape or form.
You also need to educate your fellow Tanzanians that Kenya is not an aid reliant country, it recieves aid for other reasons other than the lack.
 
Angola has a high Gdp per capita, however, it it still exhibits low levels of socioecomomic development. Poverty levels there are obscene, and it is a country with very few manufacturing concentrations, importing almost everything including refined oil which ironically it produces in plenty.

Imo, Tanzania is more likely to graduate to the middle income status before Angola.

Wrong!

Sudan, Nigeria, Senegal, Ivory coast are not LDCs and they have lower HDI compared to Tanzania and Angola. Also Zambia has a higher HDI than Kenya also a higher manufacturing value added (MVA) per capita and is ranked higher than Kenya by UNIDO in Competitive Industrial performance (CIP). Zambia is a middle Income Country.

Zambia, Angola and Tanzania are LDCs
 
Wrong!

Sudan, Nigeria, Senegal, Ivory coast are not LDCs and they have lower HDI compared to Tanzania and Angola. Also Zambia has a higher HDI than Kenya also a higher manufacturing value added (MVA) per capita and is ranked higher than Kenya by UNIDO in Competitive Industrial performance (CIP). Zambia is a middle Income Country.

Zambia, Angola and Tanzania are LDCs
Well said.
 
Wrong!

Sudan, Nigeria, Senegal, Ivory coast are not LDCs and they have lower HDI compared to Tanzania and Angola. Also Zambia has a higher HDI than Kenya also a higher manufacturing value added (MVA) per capita and is ranked higher than Kenya by UNIDO in Competitive Industrial performance (CIP). Zambia is a middle Income Country.

Zambia, Angola and Tanzania are LDCs
Sudan is an Ldc and Zambia's high Mva doesnt mean it is more industrialized than Kenya.

There is a difference btw Hdi and Ldc; in that the former is used to measure the quality of life in its three dimensions: the gdp per capita, health and life expectancy and education- literacy levels, years of schooling and the quality of the academic attainment.

Ldcs are those countriess marked by high levels of poverty, low infrastructure development, high vulnerability to economic and environmental shocks, low levels of human assets, low industristrialization etc.

A country may be doing well in terms of the Hdi, but that does not make it necessarily a middle income country, given its weaknesses in the other indices. Btw, Eritrea has the best quality health provision in Africa but it still ranks lowly in the Hdi and it is also an Ldc.
 
Sudan is an Ldc and Zambia's high Mva doesnt mean it is more industrialized than Kenya.

There is a difference btw Hdi and Ldc; in that the former is used to measure the quality of life in its three dimensions: the gdp per capita, health and life expectancy and education- literacy levels, years of schooling and the quality of the academic attainment.

Ldcs are those countriess marked by high levels of poverty, low infrastructure development, high vulnerability to economic and environmental shocks, low levels of human assets, low industristrialization etc.

A country may be doing well in terms of the Hdi, but that does not make it necessarily a middle income country, given its weaknesses in the other indices. Btw, Eritrea has the best quality health provision in Africa but it still ranks lowly in the Hdi and it is also an Ldc.
Right, sorry Sudan is a LDC.

Kenya is more Industrialized than Zambia? How do you measure Industrialization? The answer is CIP (Competitive Industrial Performance) . Zambia ranks 109 and Kenya ranks 113 (https://www.unido.org/fileadmin/use...ces/Publications/EBOOK_IDR2016_FULLREPORT.pdf)

A country can choose not to be in LDCs list eg. Ghana chose not to since 1971.

Zimbabwe, is not a LDC and it has the GNI of 857$ per capita, Economic Vulnerability Index of 59 and Human Assets Index of 56.8 all these indicators are below the threshold for graduation, and you need to be over threshold in at least two of these indicators to graduate from LDC list.

Kenya has never been on the list since it was established in 1971, the British left it with many factories to begin with, a better infrastructure and other trimmings (eg. settlers who had a developed agriculture industry) although Kenya would still be characterized as an LDC till 2015 and wouldn't have graduated till around 2021 or 2025 (It would be slotted to graduate same time as Angola and Bhutan/Bangladesh). Tanzania, at that time was experiencing a downturn which climaxed in 1973's oil crisis and had to be on the list.

The problem is, graduation. Graduation from LDCs is vigorously supervised by the UN Committee for Dev. policy in conjunction with UNCTAD and the GNP per capita threshold is 1,035$ which Kenya attained in 2015. Kenya didn't meet the Human Assets Index threshold of 60 and above till 2015 (Kenya has 64.3 and 59.1in 2012).

It takes almost six years of monitoring, followed by announcement and then graduation from LDC list and so far, Botswana is the only sub-Saharan African country that has gone through all those vigorous steps. Kenya and other sub-Saharan countries that are not in LDC, were not in the list in 1971, not because they have what it takes but they had what it took in 1971 and inclusion is as hard as is graduation.

So, basically, Kenya would have qualified in 2015 and probably graduate in 2021 from LDC category. IMF and WB have their own classification and you can't just pick one classification to explain the quality of life of a certain country.As I've always said, and maintain to tell you day in day out "KENYA AND TANZANIA HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT" this is based on actuarial facts and not blah blah.
 
In any case you've never fed us, but instead we've been saving you from the agony of losing your hard earned produce due to poor storage facilities down there.
 
Taratibu tu tutaielewa dira ya serikali yetu kiuchumi.
Na bandari ya DSM inaboreshwa ili meli kubwa zaidi duniani ziweze kutia nanga. Pia marekebisho ya viwango vya Ushuru wa Forodha, utaongeza idadi ya meli kutia nanga bandarini.
 
You also need to educate your fellow Tanzanians that Kenya is not an aid reliant country, it recieves aid for other reasons other than the lack.
Why you're fighting tooth and nail to make sure Kenyan name is not associated with AID, Are you ashamed?

I've said this coutless of times, Kenya is still receiving AID. Donors don't give loans, they give AID or Grant. Aid money is free money, you don't paid back.

If aid was not that necessary your finance minister wouldn't said it on his budget speech. He said "they're projects which will be funded by donors", and we know donors give aid, and aid is....free. When you've got developing project, and you have no money, you'll end up with two options, either get a loan, or look for donors to fund it. And Kenya has been active in finding donor to take on some of developing projects.

I'm not sure if you know that tax relief Kenya receive from trade deals like AGOA or EPA is part of AID extended to Africa countries. Without those, Kenya's produce will be less competitive.

You might be busy lecturing us that Kenya does not depend on aid, but there millions of poor Kenyans depends on AID, it might be a hospital, or school, or even a bug of fertilizer.
 
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