All SGR trains fully booked for Easter, Wakenya bana

[Kafrican]

Wow such a simplistic way of looking at things. But then again 80% of all cargo landing goes in land and 70% of that is destined for Nairobi. So feed your mind. I think Nairobi takes more than 15 million tones and that keeps growing.

This guy argues like a badly built AI program that only needs a couple of key words then repeats the same lame answer

 

[Kafrican]

You dont get it. It should not Be the business of kenyan taxpayers to subsidize UG,RW,SS,DRC cargo,which is 80% of the un nominated cargo being carried on SGR. For subsidizing kenyan goods,thats fine although market competition should be the best determinant for prices, the market is not having a crisis that the government needs to step in and re base the prices and in doing so spending scarce tax revenues on such.
There are no extra economic benefits for the rail, its stations are empty and are only busy for max 15 min per day. The cargo train does not stop along the route either, atleast truckers and buses contribute Economically by having pitstops enroute.
And No, there are no warehouses being built along the way, clearing of cargo is strictly at Nairobi ICD.
Except for speed of passanger service, there no other benefits, and this is likely to be wiped after the expressway is built. SGR benefits only Tenderprenures.
Avoid Swallowing PR and assuming that its fact.

Seems you've got everything figured out

 

[ndetichia]

Safi ngoja nasie ikikamilika tu tuna wajibu..

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

This guy argues like a badly built AI program that only needs a couple of key words then repeats the same lame answer

Stop stooping that low, personal attacks dont constitute any reasonable arguments. Challange me on the economics of the SGR and accept when you loose, Even during Mois KANU rule there were many who believed that "Maendeleo" propaganda, we forgave them after kicking out the Jogoo party

 

[Kafrican]

Stop stooping that low, personal attacks dont constitute any reasonable arguments. Challange me on the economics of the SGR and accept when you loose, Even during Mois KANU rule there were many who believed that "Maendeleo" propaganda, we forgave them after kicking out the Jogoo party

My arguments with you ended. It seems you have all the answers and 'facts'

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

My arguments with you ended. It seems you have all the answers and 'facts'

I am not the kind that rubs in the pain when someone loses an argument, Neither will I proclaim my perfectness. The fact remains SGR was and is a very noble and beneficial idea, but it was horrendusly executed and cauptured by Jubilee mandarins

 

[Kafrican]

I am not the kind that rubs in the pain when someone loses an argument, Neither will I proclaim my perfectness. The fact remains SGR was and is a very noble and beneficial idea, but it was horrendusly executed and cauptured by Jubilee mandarins

Oh, you've lost the argument long time ago, so much so that its like arguing with a tree. That's why there is no point arguing with a tree.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Oh, you've lost the argument long time ago, so much so that its like arguing with a tree. That's why there is no point arguing with a tree.

You are in pain, pole lamba lolo

 

[MK254]

You need to start thinking like a winner and stop thinking like a looser.


First of all, tell me how many countries in the world dont have a subsidised rail transport, or mass transit system within a city or between two or more big cities...

2nd thing, 70% of all cargo through Mombasa is for or from Kenya, while 28% is transit market while 2% is transhipment cargo by sea (e.g dropped and Mombasa port to be delivered to Pemba island etc... So the ones who benefit the most from the subsidy is Kenyans who are the majority users of the port.


3rd thing, The SGR project is not a private company where you look at profits at mere face value, Governments don't look at profits that way, e.g the SGR fees might be subsidised but for every 700, or 3000 spent by a persenger riding on the train there is probably 5,000 ksh more spent at the destination where the persenger is going. I mean we have local tourist market now, we've got Nairobians who now travel to Msa on Friday stay two days in a hotel then CE back Sunday evening using the SGR, these ppl wouldn't have come to Msa otherwize.
How many wherehouses Will be build along the SGR to be wherehouses for cargo to and from industries , how many industries and factories will be built along the SGR because they see an opportunity for a cheap reliable means of transport? How many more skilled labour will be able to be absorbed into these industries as a result? And with cheaper transport how many imvestors will be willing to set up factories that employ people , wouldn't cheap transport eventually lower the cost of production and intern make goods cheaper for the locals and also be able to export at competitive prices and in turn bring more profits to the economy???


All of those factors are indirect profits and benefits (for every new business ,growing business, employed labour that is created as a result of the cheaper SGR, it means more taxes for the gpvernmnt , and the collected tax woll be way more than profits they would have made if they had charged expencive fees to those who would have been willing to pay) that the government looks at , and all of them can be achieved just by subsidising one thing! -Rail

So, between making a SGR loss in the short term and potentially creating hundreds of new industries and employing millions, Vs making quick SGR profits by charging expensive so that only the big business can continues getting richer with a reliable means of transport while the startups and SMEs can continue being small for ever becuse the just can't afford to scale up without a realiable,efficient and most important for SMEs -Cheaper means of supply
Which model is better to you for a developing country?

This well put, I remember trying to educate eliakim using this kind of narrative and way of looking at it, he was and still stuck with profit making corporatish mindset.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

This well put, I remember trying to educate eliakim using this kind of narrative and way of looking at it, he was and still stuck with profit making corporatish mindset.

How said SGR has to make a profit?? Understand what I say before you yap aimlessly..SGR must cover its OPEX period for it to be sustainable. Subsidy means it cant. And the Major reason for railways collapse in EAC is lack of Working Capital, in layman terms the railway couldnt pay salaries, buy fuel and spares.
Why did Gvt sell off Telkom Kenya?? isnt it a govt corporation that is providing an essential public service just like SGR?..They couldnt sustain spending taxpayer money on paying its workers!!

 

[Geza Ulole]

 

[Oii]

This is one thing so so Kenyan and you will never find it in all the LDC countries, loving our country and touring it and having all the fun.
Kenyan youths have taken into biking like crazy, they're riding into remote towns and enjoying....

He hee, ati one thing so Kenyan [emoji23]. Acha ushamba wewe idiot, hii ni kitu common sana Tz. Your patriotic ignorance is next level.