Azimio La Arusha: Why We Were Dead Wrong!

[Zakumi]

I agree. Kwa mtazamo wako, is this a threat or an opportunity for CDM?

It’s an opportunity for CDM. That’s for sure. You have young and energetic Tanzanians joining CDM en masse. For some of them, CDM is their first political party and if they succeed to upset CCM in a huge scale, it will leave them with something to remember for the rest of their lives. It’s like defeating the Goliath.

That said, there are some threats for the party if CDM forms the government, and then forget to manage the expectations of its supporters. According to their official ideology, CDM is a center right political party. However, to the surprise of many observers, they haven’t tested their ideology in any election campaigns. They run their campaigns as social activists.

What’s worse, they promise to deliver the same things CCM hasn’t delivered for the past 50 years. I am not sure what they will do if the win the general election: revert to the roots or become full blown Nyerere-ist.

 

[Zakumi]

Nyerere on AA explained the objectives of AA as:- "To build a society in which all members have equal rights and opportunity in which all can live in peace with their neughbours without suffering or imposing injustice, being exploited or exploiting and in which all have gradually increasing basis level of material welfare before any induvidual lives in luxury"

Nyerere could have been wrong on what you call his Philosophical concept. But..can someone point out where he was wrong? or is it methodological approach in question here.. I stand by him and maintains certainty positive to my knowledge on that statement as authoritative, true and obsolutely certain. If anyone is skeptic of such philosophy he/she has got to show me uncertainty of knowledge by proving otherwise. If not just tell me what should have been our objectives or rather I should say what is our objective today as a nation?..

Reading posts and skepticism of AA..I still don't get it. Is it about the method and approaches Nyerere and TANU are subjected to skepticism simply because we never got richer (economically success) as expected by many. Do we cry out loud for Accountability in Leadership because there is no reasons for being poor? - Does success in Money make a man?. Oooh! my bad. Guess - Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

Whether you support him or not, you are doing yourself disservice when your conclusion is based only on a single paragraph of AD. As I understand between 1958-1967, Nyerere wrote several treatises which are the backbone of Ujamaa theory, and eventually A.D.

In one of his essay he says:

“Our agricultural organization would be predominantly that of cooperative living and working for the good of all. This means that most of our farming would be done by groups of people who live as community and work as a community. They would live together in a village; they would farm together; market together and undertake the provision of local services and small local requirements as a community.

Their community would be the traditional family group, or any other group of people living in according to UJAMAA principles, large enough to take account of modern methods and the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century needs of man.

The land this community farmed would be called our land by all the members, the crops they produced on that land would be our crop; it would be our shop which provided individual members with the day-to-day necessities from outside; our workshop which made the bricks from which houses and other buildings were constructed, and so on.” [Socialism and Rural Development, September 1967]

If this isn’t utopian insanity, I don’t know what it’s.

 

[Mkandara]

Whether you support him or not, you are doing yourself disservice when your conclusion is based only on a single paragraph of AD. As I understand between 1958-1967, Nyerere wrote several treatises which are the backbone of Ujamaa theory, and eventually A.D.

In one of his essay he says:

"Our agricultural organization would be predominantly that of cooperative living and working for the good of all. This means that most of our farming would be done by groups of people who live as community and work as a community. They would live together in a village; they would farm together; market together and undertake the provision of local services and small local requirements as a community.

Their community would be the traditional family group, or any other group of people living in according to UJAMAA principles, large enough to take account of modern methods and the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century needs of man.

The land this community farmed would be called our land by all the members, the crops they produced on that land would be our crop; it would be our shop which provided individual members with the day-to-day necessities from outside; our workshop which made the bricks from which houses and other buildings were constructed, and so on." [Socialism and Rural Development, September 1967]

If this isn't utopian insanity, I don't know what it's.

So was China and India who rank higher than any Capitalist country in the world when talking of Agriculture. China being number one in the world and employing about 400 million people.

 

[Petu Hapa]

If this isn't utopian insanity, I don't know what it's.

In context of neo capitalism an economic man might see, ideas of collective production, ownership and/or distribution impractical. However, what is important in understanding ujamaa ideology, which partly draw from hunters and gathers societies, it provides an alternative model of organizing production, distribution and allocation. Can we go back to those modes, definetily not. But, we should at least learn by now capitalism is build on nation of scarcity of resources making accumulation central before life or societies themselves. It is quite ironic in advance societies like ours, people continue to leave on objective poverty! How do you explain that! Because they are lazy! Definetily not, between msukuma mkokoteni, msaaidizi wa ndani, na mkaa kwenye dawati, how do we value labor? Utility? I think that is insanity! Let's find other ways of organizing labor or power.

 

[Azimio Jipya]

Whether you support him or not, you are doing yourself disservice when your conclusion is based only on a single paragraph of AD. As I understand between 1958-1967, Nyerere wrote several treatises which are the backbone of Ujamaa theory, and eventually A.D.

In one of his essay he says:

"Our agricultural organization would be predominantly that of cooperative living and working for the good of all. This means that most of our farming would be done by groups of people who live as community and work as a community. They would live together in a village; they would farm together; market together and undertake the provision of local services and small local requirements as a community.

Their community would be the traditional family group, or any other group of people living in according to UJAMAA principles, large enough to take account of modern methods and the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century needs of man.

The land this community farmed would be called our land by all the members, the crops they produced on that land would be our crop; it would be our shop which provided individual members with the day-to-day necessities from outside; our workshop which made the bricks from which houses and other buildings were constructed, and so on." [Socialism and Rural Development, September 1967]

If this isn't utopian insanity, I don't know what it's.

Strange! Zakumi why do you take it that way!?

 

[Zakumi]

So was China and India who rank higher than any Capitalist country in the world when talking of Agriculture. China being number one in the world and employing about 400 million people.

There are many reasons why you have mentioned India and China. These are countries with ancient civilizations that surpassed those found in Europe. More than that in 60s and 70s, they implemented various policies that work well and solved some their chronic problems such as famine. The typical example is the green revolution in India.
Since 70s, Tanzania has tried to emulate green revolution, but the outcome isn’t that impressive.​

 

[Mkandara]

There are many reasons why you have mentioned India and China. These are countries with ancient civilizations that surpassed those found in Europe. More than that in 60s and 70s, they implemented various policies that work well and solved some their chronic problems such as famine. The typical example is the green revolution in India.
Since 70s, Tanzania has tried to emulate green revolution, but the outcome isn't that impressive.​

Thank You for saying Tanzania has tried green revolution which has nothing doing with AD. We were wrong then, we are wrong now...Something isn't right - Applied Technology!

I chose China and India not because of their ancient civilization on record while our has never been studied, except that Chinese were among the first visitors to our coast of Africa dating back to 200 BC using monsoon seasons for trading with us is one proof of our superiorty compared to them. The fact that they both came to Africa for spices and food crops up to during Byzantine Empire show economical important of Africa and how civilized we were to trade with foreigners without ragging war. These are facts..

They say Europeans brought cash crops to us, but again if that so and we know certain crops can't grow in their countries...Where the hell did they got seeds. Was it in Indians or China? again history deny that.. so where? our civilization surpassed all of them brother even if modern archeology provide nothing more abundant and reliable materials about the origin and the condition of agriculture in ancient Africa.

The notion that we were uncilivized, food was insufficient,we were desperate poor and weak, people ate people, fish, reptiles, little animals, mussels, and wild vegetables is just hype! 'cause the same people believe Africa is the origin of all humankind. That! and only that means FOOD crop (agriculture) was originated right here. And for the bedtime story, the fact that we have sold 100,000 hectares to the South Korean and more thousands to Chinese and Europen give us away that we ain't serious about agriculture. We are stupid enough to put our eggs in their basket, while they will ever let us put our hand in theirs..Stupid is what stupid does.

 

[Zakumi]

Strange! Zakumi why do you take it that way!?

It isn’t strange. Think about this. If the west thought that utopian is doable, probably they would have adapted it as their way of life long time ago. As a matter of fact, there were several utopian colonies in the USA in 18, 19, and 20 centuries. However, industrialization and education deemed these communities irrelevant.

 

[Zakumi]

In context of neo capitalism an economic man might see, ideas of collective production, ownership and/or distribution impractical. However, what is important in understanding ujamaa ideology, which partly draw from hunters and gathers societies, it provides an alternative model of organizing production, distribution and allocation. Can we go back to those modes, definetily not. But, we should at least learn by now capitalism is build on nation of scarcity of resources making accumulation central before life or societies themselves. It is quite ironic in advance societies like ours, people continue to leave on objective poverty! How do you explain that! Because they are lazy! Definetily not, between msukuma mkokoteni, msaaidizi wa ndani, na mkaa kwenye dawati, how do we value labor? Utility? I think that is insanity! Let's find other ways of organizing labor or power.

Capitalism evolves, and the so called industrial nations in the world spend more than 20% of their GDPs on social issues. So we aren’t talking the same capitalism that inspired the Great Karl Marx to write the Das Kapital. We are talking a different animal here.

Now concerned why people don’t work, I believe that collectively we didn’t expect unemployment. Not long time ago it was assumed that if you don’t a formal employment position, you are peasant. This assumption doesn’t hold up anymore. So if we want people to work, the government should devise various policies that spur economic growth and employment.

 

[Zakumi]

Thank You for saying Tanzania has tried green revolution which has nothing doing with AD. We were wrong then, we are wrong now...Something isn't right - Applied Technology!

I chose China and India not because of their ancient civilization on record while our has never been studied, except that Chinese were among the first visitors to our coast of Africa dating back to 200 BC using monsoon seasons for trading with us is one proof of our superiorty compared to them. The fact that they both came to Africa for spices and food crops up to during Byzantine Empire show economical important of Africa and how civilized we were to trade with foreigners without ragging war. These are facts..

They say Europeans brought cash crops to us, but again if that so and we know certain crops can't grow in their countries...Where the hell did they got seeds. Was it in Indians or China? again history deny that.. so where? our civilization surpassed all of them brother even if modern archeology provide nothing more abundant and reliable materials about the origin and the condition of agriculture in ancient Africa.

The notion that we were uncilivized, food was insufficient,we were desperate poor and weak, people ate people, fish, reptiles, little animals, mussels, and wild vegetables is just hype! 'cause the same people believe Africa is the origin of all humankind. That! and only that means FOOD crop (agriculture) was originated right here. And for the bedtime story, the fact that we have sold 100,000 hectares to the South Korean and more thousands to Chinese and Europen give us away that we ain't serious about agriculture. We are stupid enough to put our eggs in their basket, while they will ever let us put our hand in theirs..Stupid is what stupid does.

Why are you taking Azimio la Arusha out of the equation? It isn’t Azimio la Arusha that tried to empower people in rural areas without any sustainable results?

It surprises me that when we discuss the failures of privatization, you always bring the old good days of Azimio la Arusha. However, when we mention the debacle of Ujamaa villages, the proponents of AD don’t want to take the blame.

The truth of the matter is Ujamaa villages were home to more than 11 million Tanzania; while government own factories employed less than 500,000. Do the math.

 

[Raia Fulani]

mleta mada umeleta mada ambayo kwa %90 umeshindwa kuitetea na kuiisimamia. Kinachoonekana ni wewe kuchombeza tu na ukawaachiia manguli kudadavua, ila bado huwaelewi na wewe hutoi sababu za kutowaelewa. Jaribu kuandika paragraph tano hivi ni kwa nini azimio hulikubali

 

[Raia Fulani]

Ngoja nichangie kwa mtazamo wangu mimi. Azimio sijalisoma kama lenyewe bali kupitia vyanzo mbalimbali vya kudunduliza nimeweza kuelewa jambo. Nyerere mwenyewe alishasema kuwa alikuwa akitembea siku zote na Biblia na kitabu cha Azimio la Arusha. Kila anapokipitia hicho kitabu hakuwa akiona kasoro yoyote! Inawezekana hapakuwa na kasoro zozote. Azimio la Arusha ni falsafa. Biblia ni mwongozo wa maisha ya ,wanadamu. Kwa kuwa Biblia (mi mkristo) ni mwongozo HALALI wa maisha ya mwanadamu, na kwa kuwa mwanadamu kashindwa kuishi kwa jinsi ya Biblia inavyotaka, basi tuseme kuwa Biblia ilikosewa?

Azimio la Arusha si Biblia bali ni mwongozo wa jinsi gani jamii fulani iishi. Kwamba binadamu wote ni sawa. Kwamba njia kuu za uchumi zimilikiwe na umma. Kwamba cheo ni dhamana. Kwamba rushwa ni adui wa haki, n.k. Jambo la msingi la kujiuliza ni kwa nini haya hayakutekelezeka. Ni kina nani walihusika kuihujumu hii falsafa. Ni raia wa ndani ama wa nje? Ubepari unaoliliwa kila kona umeleta tija ambayo sera za ujamaa zilishindwa? Mbona njia kuu za uchumi zinamilikiwa na wageni? Biashara zote kubwa, ardhi vinamilikiwa na wageni.

Ni hulka ya mwanadamu kuona kuwa anapata kile anachokitaka kwa asilimia kubwa kuliko mwingine. Katika kuona haya hayatokei ikawepo miongozo ya kisheria ya jinsi ya kutumia rasilimali zilizopo. Bado sheria zikavunjwa na watu wakaharibu na kile kilichopo. Hapa unalaumu falsafa au watu?

Uzuri wa wazungu huanzia mambo yao vitabuni katika nadharia na hatimaye kwenye utekelezaji. Refer to Adam Smith, Keynes, Fredrick Taylor-management, Max, Socrates, Newton, Darwin, Freud, Einstein, n.k. Hawa ni wachache tu kati ya wengi ambao kazi zao za kinadharia zilizofanyiwa utafiti ziliweza kuleta mapinduzi makubwa ya kiuchumi, kisiasa, na kijamii katika ulimwengu huu. Tumeshindwa kutekeleza misingi ya Azimio la Arusha kutokana na udhaifu huu wa kushindwa kufanyia kazi maandishi. Waliosema ukitaka kumkamata mwafrika weka maarifa kwenye vitabu. Hawakukosea!

Wacha ubepari uje lakini jambo moja kuu ni kuwa miundombinu yote muhimu imilikiwe na umma, ila pawepo na utekelezaji wa sheria pale mtumishi aliyepewa dhamana atakapokiuka majukumu yake. Hata kama ni kumnyonga!

 

[Petu Hapa]

Now concerned why people don't work, I believe that collectively we didn't expect unemployment. Not long time ago it was assumed that if you don't a formal employment position, you are peasant. This assumption doesn't hold up anymore. So if we want people to work, the government should devise various policies that spur economic growth and employment.

People do work every day! How do we define labour and how is it linked to the market those are totally different question!
Labour using Marx in general terms, warned the danger of making labour a commodity, however, his concern was more on the relationship between labour, accumulation, and distribution, and there he found a worker to be exploited. What you need to understand, of which you pointed quite right, nobody predicted there unemployment will reach to this scale. Concerns then were not the relationship between machine and labour, rather technology was natured to increase productivity. Damn it! We have produced abundant haven't we?

This is not surprising, accumulation is core of capitalism and concerns about social services are to make sure the worker produce the labour. So, you only live to work not otherwise. What is very critical here, society is organized around work – from education system to social life. Work became part of identity formation, power relations attached to production processes, reproduction and social life. Payment is organized under so called "marginal productivity theory of distribution", meaning what is the output of labour to the economy. So, you are talking about social welfare for unemployment. It has been tried in develop countries, but if you check statistics there is no significant change of those surviving on welfare to attain beyond the welfare state, creating more dependence and numbness to human agency.

So this is a fact, work as we know it – is shrinking and decline will continue for a long time. Thanks to Africa, at least we know how to survive without the so called formal "work", which should give us significant experience to tell how societies are organized without work. Honestly, we are not the best continent in the world but people have been surviving without work! What structures allows this surviving? But ironically, we are start buying into these ideas of informal economy and entrepreneurship making people believe there is worth out there to just go and get it! This is a shame as there are thousands of people on streets trying to do business, but only few managed to gain success.

My point is simple organizing society through work and money is not working! Yes, the significant of formal work will continue for a long time, but the same is true societies and generations have survived without money exchange for a long time too. There are people even in Tanzania in months they might not make or touch 50,000 a day! Yet they survive, it is sampling amazing! And we are blind to see that!

 

[Mkandara]

Why are you taking Azimio la Arusha out of the equation? It isn't Azimio la Arusha that tried to empower people in rural areas without any sustainable results?

If there was any failure empowering People in rural areas who do blame. U can lead a Donkey to a river (water) but U cant make it drink.

It surprises me that when we discuss the failures of privatization, you always bring the old good days of Azimio la Arusha. However, when we mention the debacle of Ujamaa villages, the proponents of AD don't want to take the blame.

Dont get me wrong, I do understand why we failed on privatization, I have said it many times that we didn't Privatize our Parastatals rather liquidate them. Second, even Capitalist countries, their government holds commanding heights of their economy this has nothing to do with Ujamaa or left idealogy. The class struggle saga contiues in every sociaty we just have to identify ourselve and our position.

The truth of the matter is Ujamaa villages were home to more than 11 million Tanzania; while government own factories employed less than 500,000. Do the math.

I Don't get your point here.... Mkuu, at least Nyerere takes into consideration the afore-mentioned principles in the AD toward liberation and unification as the choice of the Workers and Peasants and work toward achieving certain goals. Tell me, before AD what figures did you have?..

Today we have about 2 mil employed, and over 30mil (80%) still living in rural area assumed to be farmers. The bourgeoisie continue to build bridges for continued imperialist and Neo-Colonialist domination of 1% - thanks to Capitalism. Zakumi, We are a complex society that embodies traditional past, common aspirations, and shared experiences under Colonialism and Imperialism. I still believe through a class struggle socialism can be achieved without calling it AD or Nyerereism. Even in this diverse society there are certain common political, social and economic conditions, we all have skepticism on either form of their ideology (left or right). What I suggest is we just have to take a minute and look in the mirror to understand who we are, where we are, and what we want rather than wonnabes.

 

[William J. Malecela]

mleta mada umeleta mada ambayo kwa %90 umeshindwa kuitetea na kuiisimamia. Kinachoonekana ni wewe kuchombeza tu na ukawaachiia manguli kudadavua, ila bado huwaelewi na wewe hutoi sababu za kutowaelewa. Jaribu kuandika paragraph tano hivi ni kwa nini azimio hulikubali

- Sina muda wa kupoteza kuandika paragraph tano on some theory that was a failure, ni waste of time ninaweza kunadika on the way forward na ubepari au Azimio la Zanzibar!

- WaTanzania huwa ni wajuzi sana wa maneno mpaka ya kisomi, kivumbi ni matendo! ndio utasikia kila mmoja aanalaumu mwingine!

William.

 

[Zakumi]

If there was any failure empowering People in rural areas who do blame. U can lead a Donkey to a river (water) but U cant make it drink.
Dont get me wrong, I do understand why we failed on privatization, I have said it many times that we didn't Privatize our Parastatals rather liquidate them. Second, even Capitalist countries, their government holds commanding heights of their economy this has nothing to do with Ujamaa or left idealogy. The class struggle saga contiues in every sociaty we just have to identify ourselve and our position. I Don't get your point here.... Mkuu, at least Nyerere takes into consideration the afore-mentioned principles in the AD toward liberation and unification as the choice of the Workers and Peasants and work toward achieving certain goals. Tell me, before AD what figures did you have?..

Today we have about 2 mil employed, and over 30mil (80%) still living in rural area assumed to be farmers. The bourgeoisie continue to build bridges for continued imperialist and Neo-Colonialist domination of 1% - thanks to Capitalism. Zakumi, We are a complex society that embodies traditional past, common aspirations, and shared experiences under Colonialism and Imperialism. I still believe through a class struggle socialism can be achieved without calling it AD or Nyerereism. Even in this diverse society there are certain common political, social and economic conditions, we all have skepticism on either form of their ideology (left or right). What I suggest is we just have to take a minute and look in the mirror to understand who we are, where we are, and what we want rather than wonnabes.

Mkandara,
This is my observation about you on the merits of Azimio la Arusha. It seems to me that you support AD not because it was a good idea, but because it was less evil than what followed afterward. What's worse you think that any person who denounces Azimio la Arusha automatically supports Azimio la Zanzibar or the mediocrity of current administration.

I, personally, think that the best of Tanzanians is not yet to come. The country is still in a very tumultuous transition, and it shouldn't settle for any ideologies that don't work. This includes Azimio la Arusha and whatever followed afterward. In addition, the combination of good intent and the charisma of the leader shouldn't be a barometer for social improvement and economic prosperity. So there's no need to shove Azimio la Arusha into people's throats.

Now with regard to the last paragraph of my early post, let me clarify the matter. In recent years, the debate about AD has been centered on the privatization of state factories. I believe the proponents of Azimio la Arusha who use privatization process to make their points are disingenuous. State factories constituted a smaller part of Azimio la Arusha. The larger part is the villagization of more than 11 million people. So if we want to engage in meaningful discourse, we shouldn't try to sideline the plights of villagers.

Villagers have suffered the most in the history the country, and I really don't understand you when you say U can lead a Donkey to a river (water) but U can't make it drink. Even a capitalist could choose a better narrative to explain why rural policies failed. In the name of economic prosperity, forcing somebody from his homeland isn't leading at all. It's torture and inhuman.

 

[Zakumi]

Ngoja nichangie kwa mtazamo wangu mimi. Azimio sijalisoma kama lenyewe bali kupitia vyanzo mbalimbali vya kudunduliza nimeweza kuelewa jambo. Nyerere mwenyewe alishasema kuwa alikuwa akitembea siku zote na Biblia na kitabu cha Azimio la Arusha. Kila anapokipitia hicho kitabu hakuwa akiona kasoro yoyote! Inawezekana hapakuwa na kasoro zozote. Azimio la Arusha ni falsafa. Biblia ni mwongozo wa maisha ya ,wanadamu. Kwa kuwa Biblia (mi mkristo) ni mwongozo HALALI wa maisha ya mwanadamu, na kwa kuwa mwanadamu kashindwa kuishi kwa jinsi ya Biblia inavyotaka, basi tuseme kuwa Biblia ilikosewa?

Azimio la Arusha si Biblia bali ni mwongozo wa jinsi gani jamii fulani iishi. Kwamba binadamu wote ni sawa. Kwamba njia kuu za uchumi zimilikiwe na umma. Kwamba cheo ni dhamana. Kwamba rushwa ni adui wa haki, n.k. Jambo la msingi la kujiuliza ni kwa nini haya hayakutekelezeka. Ni kina nani walihusika kuihujumu hii falsafa. Ni raia wa ndani ama wa nje? Ubepari unaoliliwa kila kona umeleta tija ambayo sera za ujamaa zilishindwa? Mbona njia kuu za uchumi zinamilikiwa na wageni? Biashara zote kubwa, ardhi vinamilikiwa na wageni.

Ni hulka ya mwanadamu kuona kuwa anapata kile anachokitaka kwa asilimia kubwa kuliko mwingine. Katika kuona haya hayatokei ikawepo miongozo ya kisheria ya jinsi ya kutumia rasilimali zilizopo. Bado sheria zikavunjwa na watu wakaharibu na kile kilichopo. Hapa unalaumu falsafa au watu?

Uzuri wa wazungu huanzia mambo yao vitabuni katika nadharia na hatimaye kwenye utekelezaji. Refer to Adam Smith, Keynes, Fredrick Taylor-management, Max, Socrates, Newton, Darwin, Freud, Einstein, n.k. Hawa ni wachache tu kati ya wengi ambao kazi zao za kinadharia zilizofanyiwa utafiti ziliweza kuleta mapinduzi makubwa ya kiuchumi, kisiasa, na kijamii katika ulimwengu huu. Tumeshindwa kutekeleza misingi ya Azimio la Arusha kutokana na udhaifu huu wa kushindwa kufanyia kazi maandishi. Waliosema ukitaka kumkamata mwafrika weka maarifa kwenye vitabu. Hawakukosea!

Wacha ubepari uje lakini jambo moja kuu ni kuwa miundombinu yote muhimu imilikiwe na umma, ila pawepo na utekelezaji wa sheria pale mtumishi aliyepewa dhamana atakapokiuka majukumu yake. Hata kama ni kumnyonga!

You have brought valid points. However, I have some problems with your introduction. I believe you contradict yourself. Don’t you? In the first paragraph you say “Biblia ni mwongozo wa maisha ya binadamu …” In the second paragraph you say “Azimio la Arusha si Biblia bali ni mwongozo wa jinsi gani jamii Fulani iishi”

To me mwongozo wa maisha ya binadamu and mwongozo wa jamii Fulani are almost the same thing. As a matter of fact, the Bible itself started as mwongozo wa jinsi gani jamii (wayahudi) fulani iishi and then spread to other part of the world through forced and unforced conversation. Correct me if I am wrong.

Azimio la Arusha was restricted to Tanzania. However, its language suggests that it could be exported to other parts of Africa. Actually, we didn’t help other nations to gain their independence so that they could become the capitalists next door. We helped them so they could copy what we had in store for them. It’s simple as that.

 

[Raia Fulani]

- Sina muda wa kupoteza kuandika paragraph tano on some theory that was a failure, ni waste of time ninaweza kunadika on the way forward na ubepari au Azimio la Zanzibar!

- WaTanzania huwa ni wajuzi sana wa maneno mpaka ya kisomi, kivumbi ni matendo! ndio utasikia kila mmoja aanalaumu mwingine!

William.

You are almost there. Sasa anzisha uzi mwingine unaolisifia Azimio la Zanzibar uweke na mazuri yake kinagaubaga. Ila hili ilibidi ulifanye kwa kuliunganisha kwenye hii mada yyako kulinganisha AD na ZD. Kadhalika umesema kuwa watanzania ni wajuzi wa maneno kuliko matendo. Kwa kuwa unaaamini hivyo, je, huoni kuwa hata hili ZD ni sehemu ya hayo maneno ya wasomi wa tz? Iweje kwa AD kuwe na longolongo na kwenye ZD kusiwe na longolongo? Nadhani hapa sasa tutaenda sawa. Na hizo paragraph utaziandika tu.

 

[Raia Fulani]

You have brought valid points. However, I have some problems with your introduction. I believe you contradict yourself. Don’t you? In the first paragraph you say “Biblia ni mwongozo wa maisha ya binadamu …” In the second paragraph you say “Azimio la Arusha si Biblia bali ni mwongozo wa jinsi gani jamii Fulani iishi”

To me mwongozo wa maisha ya binadamu and mwongozo wa jamii Fulani are almost the same thing. As a matter of fact, the Bible itself started as mwongozo wa jinsi gani jamii (wayahudi) fulani iishi and then spread to other part of the world through forced and unforced conversation. Correct me if I am wrong.

Azimio la Arusha was restricted to Tanzania. However, its language suggests that it could be exported to other parts of Africa. Actually, we didn’t help other nations to gain their independence so that they could become the capitalists next door. We helped them so they could copy what we had in store for them. It’s simple as that.

Kama ulivyosema kuwa AD was restricted to Tanzania, HOwever... Inamaanisha kuwa ni mwongozo wa jamii fulani hivi (Tanzania). Kwa biblia ni mwongozo pia ila wa kidunia zaidi pamoja na kuwa kuna jamii chache zina vyanzo vyao vya miongozo kama waasia. Hiyo ndio ilikuwa point yangu japo pana huo mkanganyiko kiasi. Lakini pamoja na kuwa Biblia na AD vina lengo moja, we are secular state. Hatuwezi kuchukua sheria za kibiblia tuzifanye kuwa mwongozo wa kiserikali. To me the Bible and AD are mutually exclusive though they live side by side like two sides of a coin. Ndio maana nikauliza kama Biblia haifuatwi, ilikuwa na makosa? Same applies to AD. Nami nimejaribu kujieleza, thuogh you are correct as well

 

[Mpui Lyazumbi]

Ukiacha tabia ya mtu mmoja mmoja, Azimio la Arusha ni Azimio la UTU. Msingi sahihi wa Ubepari ni PESA. Mapebari wanaamini hivyo na Mataifa yote yenye "Nguvu" yanakodolea macho raslimali zetu ili kutunisha mifuko yao! Wanatumia wananchi wenye uchu, kutimiza hayo. Katika sura hiyo si kushindwa kwa azimio la arusha bali ni kukosekana kwa uadilifu miongoni mwetu. Najua viongozi bora wapo. Ni swala la muda and every thing will unfold. TAKE CARE @ William.