Bible Error: Mwanzo 1:1-3a Kosa kubwa la Milenia, kutafsiri kutoka kwenye lugha ya Kiebrania

[Venus Star]

Tatizo unajifanya mjuaji sana.
Na unakurupuka tu kum attack mtu bila kujua mawazo yake kuhusu hoja zako. Mimi nilikukosoa kuhusu council of Nicaea na trinity. Sijatoa wazo lolote kuhusu Gen 1:1. Tatizo lako huna utulivu kuchambua hoja, una generalize.

Umeniita mkatoriki, hapo inaonyesha mtazamo ulionao ni kwamba kila anaeku challenge kuhusu trinity ni mkatoriki. Hapo hapo umejifanya mtaalam wa Tanakh huku ukidai mimi siijui.

Anyway kwanza huwa sijibu swali lenye command.
Huwa sitoi jibu la direct kwa swali lenye kejeri. Mtazamo wako kunihusu hauna impact yoyote kwangu. Ukitaka tujadiliane kwa references, acha commands and kejeri

Hoja iliyopo menzani ni Bible Error: Mwanzo 1:1-3a Kosa kubwa la Milenia, kutafsiri kutoka kwenye lugha ya Kiebrania

Maelezo mengine hayana impact yoyote kama umeenda nje ya mada. Je, unaweza kujadili mada?

 

[Venus Star]

Halafu unajiona una uwezo wa kuchambua biblia 🤣🤣

You’re assuming modern cosmology onto the text. Research it if you want to get a picture of ancient cosmology. You are making assumptions that you don’t seem to realize are assumptions.

Oh!! kumbe najiona 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Nilikuwa sijui.
Maelezo yote hayo ya nini? Mimi nimekuwekea Origin version na ile iliyotafsiriwa zinatofautiana sana.
Kwenye Bible inaanza In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

But tafsiri sahihi toka kwenye Hebrew kuja kwenye English kutoka direct kwenye Torah ni.
When God began to create heaven and earth—

Huu ndio mjadala wenyewe.

Karibu sasa tujadili

 

[Okoth p'Bitek]

Mimi ni mkristo nimelelewa katika ukristo tangu nikiwa mdogo.

Mwanzo tu wa biblia katika kitabu cha mwanzo 1:1-3a kunakuwa na makosa makubwa ambayo yamedumu karne na karne. Haya yalitokana na kutafsiri moja kwa moja lugha ya kiebrania kwenda kwenye Lugha ya Kigriki na hatimaye lugha ya kingereza.

Inasomeka
1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

Kutoka kwenye origin (Hebrew)
1. Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz,

Maelezo Kwenye mstari wa kwanza

Kwenye kiebrania tunaona hapo anaongelea Elohim neno elohim ni wingi. Yaani Miungu. maana yake hapo anaongelea miungu na wala siyo Mungu mmoja. Umoja wa neno Elohim ni Eloah

Hapo tayari kunakuwa na mkanganyiko mwanzoni tu.

Maelezo zaidi
Katika hiyo 1:1-3a inasomwa yote kwa pamoja. Lakini yule aliyekuwa anatafsiri aliigawanya na kisha akahatibu maana nzima ya maelezo.

Kwenya hebrew bible haiongelei kuhusu the beginning of creation.

Bali inaelezea kuwa wakati Miungu walipokuwa wakiumba dunia dunia ilikuwa ukiwa.

Inaweza kusomeka:-
1 When Gods began to create heaven and earth—2 the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from Gods sweeping over the water—3a Gods said, ‘Let there be light

Hii hapa juu ndiyo tafsiri sahihi ya kitabu cha mwanzo kabisa.

Nitaendelea kuchanganua zaidi.

Watu wangu wanaangamizwa kwa kukosa maarifa

Kuielewa dini, fuata huu mtiririko

Animism - polytheism - monotheism na agano la kale liliandikwa Kwa kufuata huo utamaduni, changamoto inayopelekea watu kushindwa kuielewa bibilia ni pale wanapoamua kuuvaa ukristu na kusoma bibilia kama kitabu kitakatifu,

Bibilia sio kitabu kitakatifu, ni makosa na uongo wa kikristu wa kutaka kueneza injili ya yesu aliye hai ndio ulitufikisha kwenye huo utakatifu, ndio maana Kila kilichoandikwa ndani kinapoteza maana na kuonekana kama uongo,

Kuhusu hio issue ya Miungu, mbona ipo wazi kwamba kabla ya Mungu mmoja, Ibada ya nyuma ilikuwa ni ya Mungu zaidi ya mmoja(polytheism), refer the Iliad and Odyssey by Homer,

 

[Venus Star]

Nataka niendelee sasa kueleza kwa kina

 

[Amun Ra]

Kuielewa dini, fuata huu mtiririko

Animism - polytheism - monotheism na agano la kale liliandikwa Kwa kufuata huo utamaduni, changamoto inayopelekea watu kushindwa kuielewa bibilia ni pale wanapoamua kuuvaa ukristu na kusoma bibilia kama kitabu kitakatifu,

Bibilia sio kitabu kitakatifu, ni makosa na uongo wa kikristu wa kutaka kueneza injili ya yesu aliye hai ndio ulitufikisha kwenye huo utakatifu, ndio maana Kila kilichoandikwa ndani kinapoteza maana na kuonekana kama uongo,

Kuhusu hio issue ya Miungu, mbona ipo wazi kwamba kabla ya Mungu mmoja, Ibada ya nyuma ilikuwa ni ya Mungu zaidi ya mmoja(polytheism), refer the Iliad and Odyssey by Homer,

Kwanini wakatoliki mnapenda kutumia neno Kristu badala ya Kristo

 

[Okoth p'Bitek]

Kwanini wakatoliki mnapenda kutumia neno Kristu badala ya Kristo

Mimi sio mkatoliki boss niwie radhi

 

[Jagina]

The grammatical understanding of Genesis 1:1 is simple, and the most fundamental principle for learning any language is to follow the ease of grammar.

Let's look at the verses:


Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Gen 1:3 And God said, 'Let there be light': and there was light.


Now this is this is the interpretation of some Trinitarians about it. They claim3 personalities of God are mentioned:


In Gen1:1 God the Father is mentioned.
In Gen1:2 God the Spirit is mentioned.
In Gen1:3 God the Word is mentioned.

Now here are the difficulties about their interpretation:


1) Verse Gen 1:2 is one of the translations, not the only one! In the Samaritan bible, the term "the wind of God" is used in place of "the spirit ofGod"! And if you were sincere you would realize that the "wind of God" or“breath of God” is a more correct translation of the Hebrew word"ruach"!

Everyone knows that Genesis is about creation, and is about the heavens and the earth being created and this involves earth, water and winds more than it would involve "spirit"! Why would Genesis say "in the beginning God.."? If trinitarians try to force this interpretation they have to accept those verses say God has a beginning instead of Creation has a beginning. Is God not supposed to be eternal?


2) Another fallacy is made by telling that Gen 1:3 is indicative of the word of God(Jesus?)! Where does it say so?

If you read the verse with an open mind you will see this is a clear interpolation. It says "Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light." Why would they translate the words "God said" into "word"?! It does not say so in the Hebrew nor in the English translation, does it?


Compare with Gen 1:1 He created the heaven and the earth without mentioning His word..would they agree then that His word didn't exist then?

Or did He create without His word in Gen 1:1?

The only clear thing that this verse shows is that God and His word are undevidable and surely this refutes the Trinitarian view of distinct persons in a trinity.

 

[Jagina]

Hebu ngoja kwanza tuanze na maamuzi yaliyotokea kwenye kikao cha kwanza cha Nicaea
The Nicene Creed
We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

Tunaanze na hiki hapa ambacho ndio msingi wa Ukristo. Hakikuwepo kabla

HII DOCUMENTARY YA BBC INAELEZA MENGI


View: https://youtu.be/OnNBLLcN-fY?t=349

 

[Jagina]

My God! Umesoma biblical exegesis au hermeneutics kweli? Kwenye uandishi wa Biblia kuna matumizi ya lugha ya heshima kwa Mungu (majestic language) - 'kutumia wingi mahali pa umoja', na wala siyo makosa ya uandishi. Hata katika lugha kama Kifaransa kuna matumizi ya lugha kama hiyo. Mfano, ukimwongelea mzazi au mtu official unatumia neno 'vous' = 'nyinyi'. Mfano, "comment allez-vous": How are you? Lakini kama agemate, colleague, rafiki, utasema: "comment ca va"?: How are you? Kwenye lugha kama Chichewa, kumu'address' mzazi, mtu official au kumsalimia utasema: 'Ali bwanji'...? Sawa na kusema "Hamjambo"? Lakini kumu'address' agemate, rafiki, rafiki etc: utasema: 'mulibwanji'...? 'Ali bwanji' ni wingi wa 'muli bwanji'. Ukitumia 'ali bwanji' kwa mtu mmoja, Ina maana umetumia 'majestic language'...umeonyesha heshima kwa mtu unayemsalimia. Wakati ukitumia 'muli bwanji' kama ni mtu mkubwa kwa cheo au umri atajisikia kwamba umempa salamu ya kawaida/umemdharau. Style ya uandishi wa Kitabu cha Mwanzo, inafuata tradition hii ya majestic language, lakini siyo kosa la kiuandishi, bali style ya uandishi.

UNAONGELEA BIBLIA IPI ???

Satanic bible ?? Gay bible, Mormon bible , RSV. AV. NWT, KJV , QJV, au maelfu ya biblia yaliyo tofauti ??

 

[Smart911]

Za kuambiwa changanya na za kwako...


Cc: Mahondaw

 

[Shotocan]

DETAILS YA HOJA
Hoja kubwa zaidi ninayoiongelea hapa wambayo watu wanaikwepa kuiongelea ni:-

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Hapa ndipo makosa yaliyopo.
Yaani unaongelea In the Beginning maana yake kabla ya hapo yule ambaye aliumba mbingu na nchi; alikuwa hafanyi chochote. Basi ikafika kipindi ndipo akaanza.

Hoja yangu ya kwanza kubwa ni hiyo hapo.

Then tutakuja kuongelea ile issue ya wingi.

Historia ya in the beginning inaongelea beginning ya ulimwengu tu yaani planet earth na hizo sayari zingine zinazoonekana angani kwa darubini au satellite

Haiongelei beginning ya ukimwengu usioonekana kwa satellite au darubini
Huko kuna vitabu vyake vya in the beginning huko ukija kufa ukajaliwa kufika huko utakutana na hivyo vitabu Sababu hata kitabu cha Biblia cha ufunuo kinaeleza wazi kuwa siku ya kiyama kuna vitabu kule vipo ambavyo vinarekodi maisha ya kila mtu ya kila siku ya mema na mabaya ili siku ya kiyama kitabu chake kikitolewa maktaba ahukumiwe kwa haki wapi aende

Bible ni kitabu kinachongelea in the begging ya Universe tu usichanganye vitabu

 

[Mjuni Lwambo]

DR Mambo Jambo tunaomba mchango wako mkuu.

 

[Jagina]

Historia ya in the beginning inaongelea beginning ya ulimwengu tu yaani planet earth na hizo sayari zingine zinazoonekana angani kwa darubini au satellite

Haiongelei beginning ya ukimwengu usioonekana kwa satellite au darubini
Huko kuna vitabu vyake vya in the beginning huko ukija kufa ukajaliwa kufika huko utakutana na hivyo vitabu Sababu hata kitabu cha Biblia cha ufunuo kinaeleza wazi kuwa siku ya kiyama kuna vitabu kule vipo ambavyo vinarekodi maisha ya kila mtu ya kila siku ya mema na mabaya ili siku ya kiyama kitabu chake kikitolewa maktaba ahukumiwe kwa haki wapi aende

Bible ni kitabu kinachongelea in the begging ya Universe tu usichanganye vitabu

Tatizo hao walioandika hivyo vitabu hawajulikani yaani ni anonimous kama biblia hii ilivyoandika


From the NIV Bible Commentary [1], page 2



The Book of Genesis:


"Historically, Jews and Christians alike have held that Moses was the author/compiler of the first five books of the OT. These books, known also as the Pentateuch (meaning "five-volumed book"), were referred to in Jewish tradition as the five fifths of the law (of Moses). The Bible itself suggests Mosaic authorship of Genesis, since Ac 15:1 refers to circumcision as "the custom taught by Moses," an allusion of Ge 17. However, a certain amount of later editorial updating does appear to be indicated (see, e.g., notes on 14:14; 36:31; 47:11).

(From the NIV Bible Commentary [1], page 2)"


So in reality, the book of Genesis had been tampered with by man.

It had been corrupted. It is dangerous to consider all of it as the True Living Words of GOD Almighty, because by doing so, we are running into the risk of committing a crime against Him since we are claiming that He spoke words that He never spoke.

 

[Jagina]

Historia ya in the beginning inaongelea beginning ya ulimwengu tu yaani planet earth na hizo sayari zingine zinazoonekana angani kwa darubini au satellite

Haiongelei beginning ya ukimwengu usioonekana kwa satellite au darubini
Huko kuna vitabu vyake vya in the beginning huko ukija kufa ukajaliwa kufika huko utakutana na hivyo vitabu Sababu hata kitabu cha Biblia cha ufunuo kinaeleza wazi kuwa siku ya kiyama kuna vitabu kule vipo ambavyo vinarekodi maisha ya kila mtu ya kila siku ya mema na mabaya ili siku ya kiyama kitabu chake kikitolewa maktaba ahukumiwe kwa haki wapi aende

Bible ni kitabu kinachongelea in the begging ya Universe tu usichanganye vitabu

Codex Vaticanus Graece:


"Fool and knave, can't you leave the old reading alone and not alter it?" [1]





SOURCE: Codex Vaticanus Graece 1209, B/03, A critical note. Dr. Wieland Willker, University of Bremen. Retrieved on 2008-02-12.
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Codex_Vaticanus



Click to enlarge:

This is a note that exists in one of the Bible's paparys! It's a note of demanding to not alter the text after apparently having terrible experiences with this problem [1].​

 

[Imeloa]

Changamoto hizo hizo za tafsiri inasemekana ndio imepelekea kuaminika kwamba kwenye (Mathayo 19:24) hapa chini 👇

24-Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Ni kwamba kwa kiibrania neno Camel na Thread zinafanana na ndio maana tafsiri ya kigiriki ikaandika Camel badala ya Thread ambayo ndio imo kwenye biblia ya kiibrania na waingereza wakanakili hivyo hivyo kama wagiriki walivyotafsiri.

 

[DR Mambo Jambo]

DR Mambo Jambo tunaomba mchango wako mkuu.

Asante Sana Mjuni kwa Kunitag soon ntatoa Neno kuhusu Andiko hilo la Bereshit bara Elohim..

Kwa Upana zaidi japo nimeona Wengi wamemwijia Juu Mtoa Mada but Its actually Somehow yuko Correct but Nitakuja Kuelezea Pamoja Na TANAKH na hata maneno aliyotamka Yesu msalabani, Wengi wakristo, Waislamu Na Wayahudi Tunafikiri Tunaabudu Monotheism..
But Actually sio Monotheism ni Kitu kinaitwa Monolatry.. ..
Na wengine Huenda Mbali zaidi na Kuabudu Henotheism, or kathenotheism..

Nitakuja kama Dakila 45 Hivi kuna Kijikazi nakimalizia hapa..

CC: Venus Star

 

[Venus Star]

Asante Sana Mjuni kwa Kunitag soon ntatoa Neno kuhusu Andiko hilo la Bereshit bara Elohim..

Kwa Upana zaidi japo nimeona Wengi wamemwijia Juu Mtoa Mada but Its actually Somehow yuko Correct but Nitakuja Kuelezea Pamoja Na TANAKH na hata maneno aliyotamka Yesu msalabani, Wengi wakristo, Waislamu Na Wayahudi Tunafikiri Tunaabudu Monotheism..
But Actually sio Monotheism ni Kitu kinaitwa Monolatry.. ..
Na wengine Huenda Mbali zaidi na Kuabudu Henotheism, or kathenotheism..

Nitakuja kama Dakila 45 Hivi kuna Kijikazi nakimalizia hapa..

CC: Venus Star

Henotheism, or kathenotheism.. nimeipenda zaidi.

 

[Mjuni Lwambo]

Asante Sana Mjuni kwa Kunitag soon ntatoa Neno kuhusu Andiko hilo la Bereshit bara Elohim..

Kwa Upana zaidi japo nimeona Wengi wamemwijia Juu Mtoa Mada but Its actually Somehow yuko Correct but Nitakuja Kuelezea Pamoja Na TANAKH na hata maneno aliyotamka Yesu msalabani, Wengi wakristo, Waislamu Na Wayahudi Tunafikiri Tunaabudu Monotheism..
But Actually sio Monotheism ni Kitu kinaitwa Monolatry.. ..
Na wengine Huenda Mbali zaidi na Kuabudu Henotheism, or kathenotheism..

Nitakuja kama Dakila 45 Hivi kuna Kijikazi nakimalizia hapa..

CC: Venus Star

Asante sana mkuu, tunasubiri.

 

[Magobe T]

UNAONGELEA BIBLIA IPI ???

Satanic bible ?? Gay bible, Mormon bible , RSV. AV. NWT, KJV , QJV, au maelfu ya biblia yaliyo tofauti ??

Wewe unaongelea ipi?

 

[Jagina]

Wewe unaongelea ipi?

Mimi sijaongelea biblia kwenye comment yako au wewe umekuwa Mimi??Yaani mambo ya Mungu unayafanyia mchezo??